I've used a 30-06 for 47 years, nothing here changes my decision. Great video.

I can confirm that having BOTH is great and the best option.

I own both, hunt with both, reload both, both are .30 cal, but I only hunt moose. Either will do the job quite well, and considering the 308 is much smaller than the 300WM, it is still a very potent caliber. I have never lost a moose with either one.

I have a .308, a 30-06, and a .300 win mag and when it comes to hunting the .300 win mag is going to drop big game where it stands more times than either of the other 2 calibers. I'm using the .300 win mag for big game without question everytime.

For a long range hunting cartridge, there's a pretty short list that can meet or exceed the 300 win mag. However, it is a cartridge for larger animals at longer ranges. The 308 is capable of taking the same size game, but it doesn't have the same reach.

I love these comparison videos for the humor and videography. Please keep making them. With Ryan’s vast knowledge of cartridges and bullet/hand-loading, I’m shocked at your constant apples to oranges bullet:cartridge comparisons. Total mind bender.

Great video! I’ve been a huge copper bullet fan since 2008. I like the fun series the Vortex team is doing. Keep it up!

I use a 300 win mag and last year I shot one buck at 350 yards and the next 8 hours later at 10 ft straight down. Neither were tore up nor did they take a step. I stepped up from 308 the year before and I love it.

Seriously the best video you guys have done.. excellent videography.. love the the longer videos. I never miss an episode.. just keep going back to this. Everything we know it's just y'all confirming for us garage talk

I decided to go with 30-06

Huge copper projectile fan myself. Have really liked the Hornady GMX from my .270win, very solid bullet at 130gr. Great results on game as well.

I have a 308 and had a few others over the years. I love my 30-06 carbine pump. My step up from that is 300 Weatherby for longshots but OH the recoil. It is now a 7mm Rem Mag. On the 308 base cartridge I prefer a 7mm08 but have been going more with my 260 Rem and AIs on it with various throat lengths. Just my 2 pennys

I'm lucky to have both. Got the 300 for Moose and the 308 for deer...the 300 has a longer barrel and is set up for long range (vortex viper 4x16) while the 308 is short barrel and I hunt short distance (2.5 × 10 elite 3500 bushnell). Both great performers. Both use copper bullets, both MOA, both tikkas, can't ask for more

Love the format for these. Super fun

Love Sundays with Mark and Ryan.

always love the friendly trash talk, Vortex guys!

loving this format keep it up boys!!

It’s about time you did the 300 win mag. I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting. Thanks for the great shows.

I have the 30-06 and 300 wm in bolt actions and the 308 in a ar. I like the idea that all three use the same bullets, just have to have different brass. Helps keep things simple

I'm definitely going with the 30-06

I keep testing different copper bullets in different calibers and have just fell in love with copper bullets for hunting.

I have a 308 and a 300 WSM. Reason for the WSM is I thought it would have less wear and tear on my surgically repaired shoulder. Had I known, I would have just gone with the 300 WM. I am taking both with me in Dec when I go hog hunting...also hope to get a chance at an audad.

I have both (and then some). It would be a boring world if we only had one calibre. Thanks for sharing!

My respect for how you guys don't flinch a bit when you shoot the rifles!

I cant wait to see the blooper reel for these 😂

As much as I love both the .300 win mag and the .308 that I have to go with the .308 due to cost of ammo and ease when it comes to recoil but we can't leave out the 35 Whelen which lies right in the middle of the 2. It may be called a poor man's magnum but you'll get a good feel for it after you shot it a few times and wonder why it's not obtained about more often

A 4.5 lb .308 is one of the best mountain setups available.

#10MinuteTalk 6.5-300 Weatherby or even a battle/comparison of the top 6.5 chambers? Y’all are killin it (no pun intended)! Keep it up!

I would love to see the comparative with the winmag vs the 308 Norma Mag, which I have. I haven’t been able to justify buying the 300.

The fact .308 is being compared to .300win mag is already a win for the .308. That’s assurance that the design philosophy behind the .308 was effective

To me it really comes down to how long of a barrel do you want to carry. 308 can perform well enough for its intended use under a 20” barrel and a .300 really needs a 22 or 24” barrel to get the full advantage of a magnum. IMO a 18” .308 is a slick little setup if you want to hunt suppressed and aren’t planning on shooting elk at 400+ yards. Obviously if you’re going on a trophy elk hunt you want all the range and power you’re capable of as a shooter.

Versatility is in the eyes of the beholder. If I could only have one gun and it had to be one of these two, it would be the win mag without a second thought.

I own rifles in 308, and 300 win mag. But also have a Remington model four cambered in 30-06 which dropped a 800 lbs. Maine moose at 200 yards . I’ll stick with my 30-06. But, this show was entertaining, keep up the good work.

Great video. Nice range!

1:00 Especially with how boomy that room is, for future shoots there I hope y'all consider lav mics and dropping rugs/moving blankets on the floor first. Love the new style!

I'm really digging this series so far. Next you guys should try some of the new fancy cartridges such as 6.8 Western, 6mm BR, 8.6 blackout and the PRC's.

Split the difference… 3006.

I've got 308s, 30/06s, and 300 win mags. All are different insofar as stocks, barrel lengths and contours. As Carlos Hathcock said, different guns for different shots.

I love my 300. Now it's a heavy gun with a huge brake and I hate carrying it. I have gotten used to shooting it and with the brake is similar to a lighter weight non braked 308.

Depends on if you want both, either will take care of anything in North America. 308 is a bit lackluster for the bigger stuff and the mag is a bit large for all the smaller stuff. Can you afford both? Then get both and a few dozen others for good measure, if you can’t afford them or just a one rifle type of person then you do you. I’m more of a one or three of everything kind of person, never know what I’m going to use so I just get them all ready for season.

Its a hard topic for me. If i could only have one, I'd actually go for a 3006. If I could only have two I'd go 308 and 300 wm.

Hilarious guys. Keep up with the great videos.

The thing with the shootability is that it can be fixed with a break or a suppressor, but then again not having to have breaks or suppressors on has a load of benefits.

🕵️‍♂️ I Love My 30-06, But My 270 Winchester Even More! At "Sensible Hunting Ranges" These 2 Classic Cartridges - Loaded With a "Good Hunting Bullet" - Are All You Need! NO MAGNUM IS NECESSARY!!! 🥳

I have 2 Tikka T3X lites, one in 30-06 (168gr Nosler accubond long range) and a 300 win mag (200gr terminal ascent) and they recoil almost the same. They’re both rocking Bushnell engage scopes so they weigh almost identical. Those looking for a 30 cal rifle, if you end up buying a Tikka 30-06, it recoils the same as a 300 give or take a few pounds of recoil, from my experience.

I have long abbandoned the .308 for my 6.5 Creedmoor for regular game ... deer and such. Heck, the Swedes hunt moose with their fantastic 6.5x55. For domestic dangerous game such as bears I would definitely go with some .30 cal magnum caliber. My dad shot .300 Weatherby Mag. now there is shoulder kicker ...

For a hand loader 30-06 for sure.. I own 308,30-06,and 300 all great. 338 win mag has been my pet lately and is going elk hunting this year

i like it when the ballistic gel farts the smoke back out😂

Well since this was the 308 vs 300 win mag, y’all going to do 708 vs 7 mag? Then the 300 win mag vs 7 mag and follow that with 708 vs 308……then the 338 federal vs 358 Winchester lol I got all kinds of ideas lol love this series y’all are doing and great job!

Both, of course!!

To each their own on this one but I do hunt with a 308 mostly for deer but I did get a 300 wm for certain hunting situations. For the most part I bought it for a elk hunt this fall however when I get back home to Pennsylvania the gun will be used for our bear rifle season where the extra horse power will help in bringing down bear quickly. Also the gun will see use during deer season especially when I’m hunting thicker cover or shooting over 200 yards. Other than that I’ll be carrying my 308 for deer drives since mine is a lever action and I can get more lead down range

I know Ryan loves his Barnes as do I. But has he tried the hammer hunter bullets or cutting edge bullets for a all copper comparison? I think that would be a good video!

If you factor in hand loading the 300 Win Mag wins versatility. You can use H4895 to load way down for real light loads. Then you can turn the thing all the way up to hot rod level with the same, and other, powders.

I would love to see the 308 vs 270

Hey guys great series so far. Any chance of you doing the 300blackout compared to 350 legend? Thx

Gotta go with the classic. 308!

There is want and need … you obviously want and need both !!! This is the answer to any question like this … more more more guns 😂😂

I'd love to see a 45-70 vs 450 bushmaster video

I know this is a fun video in it’s intent; I was entertained lol! But I can definitely tell this came from Vortex; the short action company. Always bring enough gun. Respect the 308 but can’t go wrong with 300 win and 180 grains. This comparison is coming from whitetail hunters perspective. Also hunters that don’t shoot past 200 yards. You really shoot out past 200 (especially on bigger game), go with the win mag. 😃👍🏻 Let’s say this too: nobody ever said, “should I bring the 308 or the 300 to Alaska”? Lmao!

Can't wait gentlemen!

Need? Needs are sold at grocery stores. I want a 300 Mag and a 308!!

I think the final criteria when considering these two rounds is size/mass of the intended target and the range. The .308 Win. can be anemic at longer ranges and the .300 Win. Mag. can be overkill at shorter ranges. Both are great for their intended applications.

Or be like me and have a 22-250, 5.56 bolt action, 7.62x39 bolt action (cheap ammo reasons), .308, .270, 30-06 & a 300 Winchester Magnum… I like a variety and with that comes options for fun and the intended purpose/application. 🙌

Get one of each!

I think a lot of this comes down to application. If distance is an issue than the .300 WinMag is going to be just a bit flatter and perhaps a little less subject to windage than the .308. So does your specific application call for a heavier round? If not then why take the availability hit? All in all a very well reasoned examination. Thanks for the video.

Fair video. 308 does have a bunch going for it. I feel we already know the results tho. 7PRC vs 300 win mag would be interesting!🤘

love this stuff

Incase people have forgotten the 308 came from 30.06 and the 270 but depending on barrel flat range belongs to the 270 next 25.06 243 I never shot the other calibers thanks for video

Given the grading, could have told you the outcome before the start of the video. Once you compare the 308 to the 30-06, the 300 mag won’t win any categories the 30-06 didn’t, it just has more margin where it does win. A more interesting comparison might be 300 win mag to some other magnum (7mm rem). Something like a 6.5 PRC, 6.8 western or 7mm PRC could be interesting comparisons to the 300 win mag

I own both but there's thing's out there that i feel better with my 338 win mag and my 375 rugger for those of us that have seen thing's that few talk about. Stay safe

I own both and load both including the old school 3006 to as a reloader I can load 110 to 225 grn bullets.i also own a 300 rum is a blast to shoot and reload.

I'd love to see 212 eldx .30-06 vs 143 eldx 6.5 creedmoor!

I picked up a ruger American 308 the other day and it shoots moa with those 150gr federal rounds. I wont be shooting passed 200yds so it should be fine. I just hope my AR10 likes those bullets also

30-06 is still the cartridge that all others are compared to. 308 just doesn’t have enough case capacity for bullets heavier than 180 grains. I’ve got several 308’s but no 30-06 right now BUT, i do have a tried and true 300 H&H. The H&H is known for handling lighter bullets better than the other, newer 300 big blasters. I can load it down to 308/30-06 velocities with 150 and 165 grain bullets , send a 125 grainer screaming down range at 3500 fps or make it do anything the 300 Win Mag will do with bullets from 180 to 220 grains. That’s pretty versatile. The big downsides (for some) are the long action and long barrel. Mine is a 1951 Remington 721 BDL Deluxe with a 26” barrel. With modern powders I think a 24” would be sufficient. The big downside for all, especially for non hand loaders is cost. Ouch! Happy hunting boys and girls!😊

I'm persuaded that the various 30 caliber cartridges all do the same thing, but at different ranges. The bigger cartridges just move the performance window - both near and far ranges - further away. Yeah, the 308 can't go out as far as the 300, but if I shoot a deer at 50 yards with my 308 it won't turn into gelatin, lol.

The main reason the 308 cartridge was developed was for the M 14 for fully automatic gun fire less recoil. The 308 is a basically 30.06 short.

I wanted to see the .308 180 grain solid copper into the ballistics gel as a true comparison to the 300WM grain for grain.

What about impact on the rifle? Is there much difference?

😁 The "Quality Hunting Bullets" Have Changed The Game For Smaller Calibers! And, That Is A Good Thing! 🤗

As a reloader I’ll take the .300WM anytime. I can load bullets to .308 velocities and lower. If hunting for larger game like Elk I can load a heavy bullet at max pressure and velocity. But like you say, it can be a shoulder thumper!

Very impressive how the Trophy Copper performs. I wonder how deep my 225-grain .338 Win Mag ones would penetrate.

Many of the deer hunters I know have never shot an animal beyond 200 yards. For them, even a 308 is overkill since an intermediate cartridge like the 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, or even the 30-30 with the right loads would do the job just fine. Years ago, a friend was convinced by his son to sell his trusty BAR in 270 Win and buy a bolt-action in 7mm Rem Mag. The reason was "maybe I'll hunt out West some day." He hated the extra recoil and blast of his new rifle. When I asked him his longest shot on an animal in his 40 years of hunting, he said "150 yards".

Used a .300 for 40 years, bought a kimber .308 for the weight, haven't picked up the .300 since

stupid question but how come these rounds are not penetrating completely through the gelatins if they're gelatin

What are the orange things they keep pulling out of the chambers

I had this discussion with my dad a few weeks ago. Basically, for your average hunters purposes, the non-magnum calibers will do anything the magnum calibers will do, if you hit your quarry in the vital zones. They will be just as dead. But where the magnum calibers come in handy (especially when you're shooting running game on a driven hunt, which is very common in Europe where I live), is when you deliver a bad shot. Say your lead is not good enough, and you hit a deer in the gut or (God forbid) the haunches, that magnum caliber is going to cause a much more devastating wound, which will increase your chances of recovery. All of this is not very applicable for most hunters, but having shot a lot of running game on driven hunts, some of which have been gut shots, I can attest to the fact that the magnum calibers with their 5500-6000J of muzzle energy, are more forgiving of bad shots than the standard 3500-4000J calibers like .308 or .30-06.

I own both along with the 30-06 and 300 wsm and I still say the 308, because it gets the job done but without the recoil of the others

It has been my experience that the suppressed rifle will pick up velocity with the can. Makes it even a little more unfair.

Felt recoil is dependent upon many factors. My NEMO chambered in 300 Win mag has less than 10 pounds of felt recoil. And it has 1moa guaranteed out to 1,000. But that comes at a price.

I'm going either 30-06 or 308 however 300wsm doesn't sound that had either

Yes, own both. And a 22-250 a 243, a 6.5 cr., a 7mm-08, a 7 mm,rem mG. Ok you get the picture 😅

Cool show now do the 7mm Remington magnum and the 7mm PRC, Or lets see you guys compare 300 WM and 300 PRC. I keep thinking the PRCs are sorta like modern rendentions and updated versions of the new 7mm&300. But hey what do i know.... im just another uneducated country boy. These cartridge wars are actually cool AF i can't wait to see the 7mm PRC and 300 PRC, especially seeing how im a 7mm groupie and all 7mm are just perfection and my 300 PRC is just wicked. I love them and believe these PRC are the definition of modern ballistics perfection.

I wish we could've seen the same exact bullet weight out of both. 150 vs 150 for example. Then differences between the same bullet but different weight.

Would love to see a video on the. 300 short mag

Not sure if I missed something, but the 308 is a control feed, if I'm not mistaken, and you push fed the ammo. Or am I wrong? Just wondering, since I thought you can cause damage that way. Thank you

Plus the .308 is and has been a military standard for many, many decades. Which adds to availability. familiarity, reliability, adaptability, and affordability. Many Americans have gone to battle with this round and are glad to rely on it when they get home.

Wish they had chosen a high quality bullet like the Nosler AccuBond

If I were hunting bears I would consider the expense of 300 Win Mag, but I'm not. So I'll stick with my .308 because I can find the ammo anywhere, it cost less so I can spend more time at the range working on my skills. I'm on a fixed budget also, so cost is very important to me. Thanks for the video, very informative.

not knowing too much about ballistics, I totally thought the .300 copper bullet might go all the way through since the .308 copper went 34 inches in. And, previously, the .300 lead bullet had went double what the .308 lead bullet went. So I am wondering about this, obviously the .300 is more powerful. What was it about the combination of the gel and the copper bullet? That made the two calibers go almost the same length inside of the gel?

Ive got a 257wby, 300 win, 250 Savage, 284 win, 30-06 and a 9.3x62. I dont think any deer or elk I've ever shot can tell the difference in any of the calibers listed above. They just know their in deep trouble when the blood and air gets scarce!