The Taliban, explained

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2 жыл бұрын

How they’ve taken over Afghanistan again.
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The roots of the Taliban movement go back to 1979, when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. They were there to prop up a communist Afghan government that was supported by a minority of urban residents. But the vast majority of Afghans lived in rural areas. Here, authority came from tribal and ethnic groups, and life revolved around conservative practices of Islam.
Rural Afghans formed militias called mujahideen and drove out the Soviets. But then they fell into a civil war with each other. Out of this chaos emerged a group of Islamic teachers and students called the Taliban. They swept through the country, destroying mujahideen groups and imposing a strict order. In 1996, they took the capital city of Kabul. The Taliban ruled Afghanistan until 2001, when the US invaded.
In a sense, the cycle of invasion and rebellion began again. Urban areas were reformed while rural areas suffered, allowing the Taliban to resurge. In 2021, the Taliban took back Kabul and the country.
Further Reading:
No Good Men Among the Living: America, the Taliban and the War Through Afghan Eyes, Anand Gopal
SIGAR quarterly reports: www.sigar.mil/pdf/quarterlyre...
Ghost Wars, Steve Coll
Directorate S, Steve Coll
Taliban: The Unknown Enemy, James Ferguson
The Rise and Fall of Taliban Regime (1994-2001), Dr. Qamar Fatima
Across the Divide, William T. Vollman, The New Yorker
Road Rage, Kathy Gannon, the New Yorker
The Other Afghan Women, Anand Gopal, The New Yorker
The Long War Journal: www.longwarjournal.org/mappin...
These reports from Human Rights Watch and Brown University’s Cost of War project has data that helped us understand Afghan civilian casualties throughout these wars:
www.hrw.org/reports/2008/afgh...
watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/f...
These reports from the US Government Accountability Office and USAID provided us with useful information on the US-funded reconstruction projects in Afghanistan:
www.gao.gov/assets/gao-08-689...
reliefweb.int/report/afghanis...
reliefweb.int/report/afghanis...
Afghanistan and Me: podcasts.apple.com/hu/podcast...
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@Vox
@Vox 2 жыл бұрын
In August 2021, America ended its longest war. And it lost. What was the US military actually doing in Afghanistan for 20 years? You can watch our video from earlier this year here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aNmlmK2gubzVqKs.html
@heyitscordero4205
@heyitscordero4205 2 жыл бұрын
Opium, oil, need I say more?
@anasbahati
@anasbahati 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations CIA and FBI for your new loyal dogs.
@aryanbhushan2118
@aryanbhushan2118 2 жыл бұрын
China doesn't have a part of Kashmir, correct the mistake
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
@@heyitscordero4205 nope, because it had nothing to do with oil or opium.
@bandappagola6146
@bandappagola6146 2 жыл бұрын
How manipulative this video, no mention of US creating mujahideen & supporting Taliban & in map then mention support from India, VOX is just hippocratic & manipulative news channel funded by CIA & FBI
@ShortHax
@ShortHax 2 жыл бұрын
The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan just to update the Taliban’s English
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
If not upstart.
@BibhatsuKuiri
@BibhatsuKuiri 2 жыл бұрын
spend more time reading less on youtube.
@DPowered2
@DPowered2 2 жыл бұрын
and it was very profitable. Not for the country but for a few people.
@geopoliticsnerd213
@geopoliticsnerd213 2 жыл бұрын
@Human Rights don't blame them, trump started it and by the time joe administration came it was already decided
@thomascortes968
@thomascortes968 2 жыл бұрын
Are those Subtitles? You can't understand me? After all I studied at the American University in Cairo!
@rfui7675
@rfui7675 2 жыл бұрын
"even the americans sent weapons" i love the use of "even" here! Implying the americans rarely do It...
@ebbeb9827
@ebbeb9827 2 жыл бұрын
more of a general rule than an exception lol
@FHDOnTheStreet
@FHDOnTheStreet 2 жыл бұрын
Properganda at it’s finest
@jaisonjoy1387
@jaisonjoy1387 2 жыл бұрын
True, they really downplayed the role of the US in destabilising afghanistan by training and providing weapons for the mujahideen groups. This happened even before the soviet invasion
@idlejuggle6759
@idlejuggle6759 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@stefan4159
@stefan4159 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaisonjoy1387 It was the Soviets who destabilized Afghanistan. The US responded to the destabilization.
@Ahmed-dj8jq
@Ahmed-dj8jq 2 жыл бұрын
"drone strikes and night raids increasingly killed innocent civilians, and the mujahideen leaders started terrorizing people, effectively becoming warlords" Got it chief, it's not terrorism when you're American
@worldpeac3
@worldpeac3 11 ай бұрын
American here, I agree with the general consensus that America should be held responsible for our governments actions- contrary to many Americans beliefs since so many think we are superior (I know, it cringes me too). Although it will effect the civilians (inflation), if International Law is to be respected and upheld to ALL countries (like the US) then maybe other countries will think it's just. Please excuse all the parentheses lol, but just explaining to say some Americans are woke to our countries atrocities and also believe we should be held responsible. Maybe then our government would stop being so unhinged, it's shameful to be associated with for many civilians.
@flopus7
@flopus7 11 ай бұрын
Its not? Collateral damage happens, targeting civilian population to scare them into submission is terrorism. Its really easy to understand
@drugoviic
@drugoviic 8 ай бұрын
911@@worldpeac3
@chlorophyll6154
@chlorophyll6154 6 ай бұрын
Even if they don't want to educate women that's their problem, why did the US want to paint them as evil so that they can get the world to cry and sympathetic with their agenda Even US is a devil, a men in USA is subject to sent to war without his will, this seen during Vietnam and the world says because there are men it'll okay
@factcehck202-xg5cc
@factcehck202-xg5cc 3 ай бұрын
Americans are peace keepers , because of america attacks the world is free of terrorism
@greatexpectations1461
@greatexpectations1461 2 жыл бұрын
Taliban spokesman: 'First of all let me thank our most magnanimous benefactor.. American taxpayers..'
@psuyog
@psuyog 2 жыл бұрын
& our ideological trainers - Haqqani network & military trainers - isi Pakistan.
@yurikadzz
@yurikadzz 2 жыл бұрын
Afghanistan war was a great way to transfer literally trillions of dolars from tax money to the private hands of the war industry
@alfrredd
@alfrredd 2 жыл бұрын
And tribal war lords.
@adinnaikhwani6255
@adinnaikhwani6255 2 жыл бұрын
@@alfrredd nah, tribal war lords didn't get those money
@santanasage00
@santanasage00 2 жыл бұрын
@@alfrredd they gave me chump change
@alfrredd
@alfrredd 2 жыл бұрын
@@adinnaikhwani6255 The mujahadeen didn't get a single dime from the US?
@belluh-1huey102
@belluh-1huey102 2 жыл бұрын
the war industry lost cash, Lockheed lost stock value during the surge and so did many other companies.
@BilalHussain-yd6ck
@BilalHussain-yd6ck 2 жыл бұрын
3:09 “Even the U.S. sent weapons…” makes it sound like U.S. was just an involuntary unimportant player.
@jaisonjoy1387
@jaisonjoy1387 2 жыл бұрын
It's vox, what do you expect. They are downplaying the role of the US
@adityadosi258
@adityadosi258 2 жыл бұрын
The US just didn't sent arms, They created Taliban!
@SilentTraveller21
@SilentTraveller21 2 жыл бұрын
@@adityadosi258 no entirely accurate, America created the mujahudeen, some of who founded the Taliban with Pakistan's help
@adityadosi258
@adityadosi258 2 жыл бұрын
@@SilentTraveller21 so US is not the father but the grandfather of Taliban. Okay got it, thanks 😁
@dan5974
@dan5974 2 жыл бұрын
Typical American media. "Oh we just throw a few billion dollars to the cause, nothing special"
@ordenax
@ordenax 2 жыл бұрын
I love how conveniently they neglect or barely mention the part, where it was the Americans who supported the Mujahideen's and the Taliban's growth when it was convenient for them to do so.
@krasnayansigure8038
@krasnayansigure8038 2 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the Americans supported the Mujahideen because they wanted them to defend against the Soviets since America and the ussr were having a cold war and we’re having proxy wars all over the world. I think in that case, it was reasonable for the Americans to support the Mujahideen. All I want to know is, was it the Americans that made the mujahideen fight against each other and start a civil war?
@NazriB
@NazriB 2 жыл бұрын
Lies again? I'm Batman
@hashim.4
@hashim.4 Жыл бұрын
@@krasnayansigure8038 no my granddad had a big role in the mujahedin of that time as i know from him the people started the war because they didn’t want the talibans neither the soviet to take over the country and make it worse thats why they faught for the country in that tiny province and the us saw the opportunity that if they support the mujahedin they can get the soviet out of Afghanistan and bring their thing they call democracy and it happened.
@MrCine4d
@MrCine4d Жыл бұрын
@@hashim.4 that’s exactly what the video suppose. The US sent support to the mujahedin because they wanted to suppress the expansion of socialism and the ussr. I doubted caritcaturing as the USA went to afghan to take over afghan, make afghan the 51 state of the USA and steal all their ressources as relevant. In the time of Cold War, countries were either friend with USSR making them financial and political allies , or friend with the west and become their economical and political allies. At the end, no one in here is assuming the US helped the Taliban because they thought that’s what most afghan wanted.
@nizloc4118
@nizloc4118 Жыл бұрын
@@krasnayansigure8038 to answer your question of "did the US make the muj fight each other and start a civil war" No. It essentially was just a massive power vacuum when the Soviet War ended. Afghanistan is a country in name only. It's a set of borders, and inside are various different peoples from different tribes, essentially. Many of them rivals. When the war ended, the new one began, because everyone wanted to be in charge. And everyone was armed and war tested
@jessicablessing1527
@jessicablessing1527 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the British and French never occupied and the Soviets never invaded Afghanistan.
@CBbyamar
@CBbyamar Жыл бұрын
1970's Afghanistan among with many Islamic nations were growing but it all seemed to dangerous for countries like USA and Saudi Arabia.. Who did all this on purpose for economical and regional strength,
@kalajari1749
@kalajari1749 7 ай бұрын
And if the Americans never invaded And the french and british never occupied
@ELGrandosmokio-qj2dr
@ELGrandosmokio-qj2dr 3 ай бұрын
​@@kalajari1749live cold be dream
@dhruv6373
@dhruv6373 2 жыл бұрын
The real winners of this war: Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed Martin & ofcourse the Toyota 😁..
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@dragon888193ftw
@dragon888193ftw 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the winners were the Taliban.
@MrKfleong
@MrKfleong 2 жыл бұрын
@@dragon888193ftw woosh
@subodhpotdar2375
@subodhpotdar2375 2 жыл бұрын
The ART of war.
@AD-ui6sk
@AD-ui6sk 2 жыл бұрын
@@dragon888193ftw lol you don’t know about military contracts that pay millions and billions to companies, for all that time 😂
@shiv6680
@shiv6680 2 жыл бұрын
Please include the role of USA in the fall of the Afganistan governement in the 1980s and foundation of the Taliban. The USA and Soviet rivalry was the main reason behind the fall of Afganistan into chaos.
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
The rivalry explains why the US was involved, the chaos was the result of Pakistani ISI picking favorites after the Soviet occupation.
@shiv6680
@shiv6680 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but the video doesn't throw light on the fact that the opposition forces in Afghanistan were backed by the USA through the Pakistani ISI to oppose the Soviet backed government and the USSR forces. A faction of which later broke to form the Al Quaida. Hence a progeny of USA and USSR rivalry.
@rekaviles
@rekaviles 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing they only wanted to only focus on the Taliban timeline.
@prabhatsourya3883
@prabhatsourya3883 2 жыл бұрын
@@shiv6680 I believe that the support of the US agencies was off the record and unofficial. So Vox avoided explicitly stating it, to prevent legal issues with the CIA
@prabhatsourya3883
@prabhatsourya3883 2 жыл бұрын
@@rekaviles It's a possibility. Going through all the details might make this video an hour long
@jameslalruatpuia7633
@jameslalruatpuia7633 2 жыл бұрын
So in a nutshell The Opressed becomes the Opressor and the cycle goes on and on.
@lordsiomai
@lordsiomai 2 жыл бұрын
well summarized. and it's not just Afghanistan. it's practically every warzone that has been
@kalpeshmanna7233
@kalpeshmanna7233 2 жыл бұрын
India didn't supported any mujahideen in Russo Afghan war. They were allies back then.
@AmanKumarPadhy
@AmanKumarPadhy 2 жыл бұрын
True. But we did support the governmebt that Taliban toppled, most notably by constructing the parliament building. So yipdee ****** doo, we've made another terrorist state hate us.
@AmanKumarPadhy
@AmanKumarPadhy 2 жыл бұрын
But man, we were so happy when their cricket team came to play matches
@krapto3467
@krapto3467 2 жыл бұрын
@@AmanKumarPadhy Let them hate us,We do not need the love of s @ v @ g e s and b@rbarians like the Terrorists of the Taliban. We supported the USSR backed Afghan socialist republic,which was due to our alliance with them at the time.The soviets definitely commited terrible crimes but we did not support the Mujhadeen fighters or the Taliban and other fringe terror groups. India always supported the State,During the soviet invasion we supported the afghan socialist republic and during the US invasion we supported the Afghan Islamic Republic. Not the terrorists.
@info_eurasia
@info_eurasia Жыл бұрын
Please define the word terrorist.
@IvanAbreubr
@IvanAbreubr 2 жыл бұрын
"Even the US sent weapons" is an euphemism.
@nullumamare8660
@nullumamare8660 2 жыл бұрын
Not much to expect from a US-based private media group. They can't speak about imperialism... It just doesn't cross their minds that they are the disease of the world.
@RockyMay
@RockyMay 2 жыл бұрын
@@nullumamare8660 well spoken
@freakylier911
@freakylier911 2 жыл бұрын
@@nullumamare8660 ....have you seen their other videos? they literally made one about the U.S. messing up things in Afghanistan.
@TheSundayShooter
@TheSundayShooter 2 жыл бұрын
The people who effectively armed the Taliban and Cartels want you disarmed. Do not comply
@abdurrazaak
@abdurrazaak 2 жыл бұрын
...also to ISIS for killing Muslims and blaming Muslims also.
@GhostCZ007
@GhostCZ007 2 жыл бұрын
I like how they casually brush over the US support for the Mujahideen, and its aftermath. "Even the US sent weapons to drain the Soviets.". Makes it sound so insignificant. Makes me wonder where they got those Stingers from, for example.
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
The video is a brief surface level over view. The video is clearly not intended to get into the weeds.
@sudarshan3965
@sudarshan3965 2 жыл бұрын
They have talked about it in other videos. This time they had to make a summary. It's obvious many details will get eliminated.
@Bluebird_Obs
@Bluebird_Obs 2 жыл бұрын
????? I think they did mention it, though? 9:37 Even so, as @Talon Herbison said, this is a surface-level/ summary video meant to get conversations going, not fully explain such a nuanced situation
@IgorMgtowandVideoGames
@IgorMgtowandVideoGames 2 жыл бұрын
The us sent aid and weapons to Pakistan then Pakistan gave the aid and money to the mujahedeen
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
@@IgorMgtowandVideoGames current. Specially the Pakistani ISI gave the aid almost exclusively to the religious leaning fighters. The US protested this but couldn’t really stop it. No aid went to any foreign fighters.
@jagathishb1902
@jagathishb1902 2 жыл бұрын
India wouldn't have funded the Afghan militia during 1970s as Soviet was a close aid of India. In fact, India supported Soviet intervention (in UNGA resolution). Also, it was because of Soviet, India was able to win 1971 Bangladesh Liberation war (in which both China and US supported Pakistan)
@abc_cba
@abc_cba 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, India didn't fund anyone there.
@tfhssn
@tfhssn 2 жыл бұрын
Ams now bangladesh is the allied with China and eventually Pakistan. India can't be trusted
@parthiv935
@parthiv935 2 жыл бұрын
@@abc_cba India supported Northern alliance with help of Iran.
@ameyas7726
@ameyas7726 2 жыл бұрын
Why would Hindu majority India seriously fund any of these Islamist groups who have *zero tolerance* for Hindus....up until 2010, India's role in middle east has been miniscule and utterly insignificant....heck even in 2020, India is still struggling with Pakistan's influence inside India controlled Kashmir...forget about far away Afghanistan and middle east..
@AP-do8mi
@AP-do8mi 2 жыл бұрын
@@ameyas7726 to be a regional player one plays along...
@christianedavi5166
@christianedavi5166 2 жыл бұрын
I was finally able to watch this video! Thanks for making it available again.
@allank8497
@allank8497 2 жыл бұрын
"Even the US sent weapons to drain the Soviets..." Whoever wrote the word "even" in the script, must have absolutely zero knowledge of the history of us foreign policy, lol
@salokin3087
@salokin3087 2 жыл бұрын
The US was a significant player, but not the largest. Mujaheddin fighters weren't carrying around American made small arms, but more specialized gear like portable missiles
@allank8497
@allank8497 2 жыл бұрын
@@salokin3087 so?
@legokingtm9462
@legokingtm9462 2 жыл бұрын
@@salokin3087 stingers > ak47
@jacopofolin6400
@jacopofolin6400 2 жыл бұрын
@@allank8497 so the American were One of the supporter, most of the support was of Arab country, america mostly gave High level weapons
@jacopofolin6400
@jacopofolin6400 2 жыл бұрын
@@legokingtm9462 depend on how many
@loopybrogaming1149
@loopybrogaming1149 2 жыл бұрын
I like how they subtly brushed over the fact that the CIA trained and armed the mujahadin by only saying they sent arms over lol and dont forget the fact that all these issues wouldn't have even occurred if the British and French didn't divide up the Middle East into countries with their problematic borders after WW1 and created unnecessary divisions between different ethnicities and religions
@prabhatsourya3883
@prabhatsourya3883 2 жыл бұрын
I believe it was off the records. So Vox avoided explicitly stating that to prevent legal issues.
@Munchausenification
@Munchausenification 2 жыл бұрын
They have a video on US training the mujahadin. Not sure what its called, but yeah might as well say it twice.
@prabhatsourya3883
@prabhatsourya3883 2 жыл бұрын
@@Munchausenification Yeah, but you know how govt agencies are, they might take legal action, claiming "misrepresentation"
@lakshyachopra_
@lakshyachopra_ 2 жыл бұрын
Afghanistan isn’t in the middle east and moreover, it was never directly controlled by any European power.
@jcshy
@jcshy 2 жыл бұрын
The mujahideen was made up of many factions & groups though so they didn’t directly give power to the group that decided to then become the Taliban
@mohamedbomaid
@mohamedbomaid 2 жыл бұрын
"Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Falsehood is bound to vanish." - [Surah Bani Isra'il ] Best of luck Mujahidin..
@SolinoOruki
@SolinoOruki 2 жыл бұрын
This video downplays US's role in creating the Mujahedin and act as US was just one of the many who supported them, while in fact US support was the primary reason Mujahedin/Taliban were created.
@gunslinger-hx2cm
@gunslinger-hx2cm 2 жыл бұрын
No it's not the real reason of creation of them is corrupt government and Cia
@tj5180
@tj5180 2 жыл бұрын
People also forget the US put the taliban in power even invited them to the US which no one knew about and msm didn't cover cuz of the pipeline Bush was trying to do
@psuyog
@psuyog 2 жыл бұрын
Completely wrong... Pakistani generals came to Americans with the proposal of Talibani fighters to use against Soviet. US at that time didn't have an idea of who these mujahideens are. Pakistan trained pashtuns to suppress separate Pashtunistan movement. US funded Pakistani ISI who trained Talibanis to counter Soviets.
@gunslinger-hx2cm
@gunslinger-hx2cm 2 жыл бұрын
@@psuyog yes finally someone with sense man
@psuyog
@psuyog 2 жыл бұрын
@@gunslinger-hx2cm Atleast Indians should know this, cause two decades before 70s, these very same tribal pashtuns used by Pakistani army to launch attack on independent Kashmir with the slogan Zar, Zan,zamin (Gold, women & Land). The only difference was that Pakistanis at that time called these Pashtun tribesmen as Kabayali & today they call them as Talibanis.
@nakenmil
@nakenmil 2 жыл бұрын
One thing the video didn't mention specifically, is that it wasn't only the Taliban that taxed the poppy/opium production. It was also done by the warlords the US were allied with. The US allowed its allies to produce narcotica, basically.
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
Factually no; the US avoided actively destroying the opium fields and instead left the destruction up to the British and Afghan Armies.
@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477
@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 2 жыл бұрын
I mean Opium and every other medicine is addictive only one is natural and the others are synthetic
@jcshy
@jcshy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eowunyth so what you’re saying is that OP is factually right.
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
@@jcshy false; no one allowed anyone to grow opium. The US opposed opium production. The US realized it was better to allow the Afghan government to Holden the destruction of opium crops as that was not in the US’s lane.
@jcshy
@jcshy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eowunyth it literally makes up a majority of the country’s economy, there’s even videos saying the Taliban turn a blind eye to it in return for tax on money made. I’m sure allies will have mostly turned a blind eye to it too
@hamcrazy96
@hamcrazy96 2 жыл бұрын
“Let’s encircle Iran by conquering Iraq and Afghanistan” - Bush probably
@BorntoYeet
@BorntoYeet 2 жыл бұрын
They kinda wouldn't be though in a meaningful way since they had to fly throughout Pakistan to get to Afghanistan.
@BorntoYeet
@BorntoYeet 2 жыл бұрын
@@Derzto some parts sure, but you forget Iraq is majority Sunni. Sunnis and Shias have always been at odds in that region.
@EOstr.
@EOstr. 2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine Saudi Arabia and Israel rejoining with the idea.
@milo1263
@milo1263 2 жыл бұрын
@@BorntoYeet Not really, Iraq is roughly 60% Shia with Baghdad being mostly Shia nowadays too while it was populated mostly by Sunnis during Saddam era.
@AbdurRaufMagsi
@AbdurRaufMagsi 2 жыл бұрын
@@milo1263 One must ask though where did the Sunnis go?
@hafsawalker6344
@hafsawalker6344 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to at least have a small understanding of this long and pain full war.
@user-cr8jo4td1o
@user-cr8jo4td1o Ай бұрын
US: Criticises USSR for spreading 'freedom' by force. Also US: Spreads 'freedom' by force.
@akkronym48
@akkronym48 2 жыл бұрын
Really really really critical details omitted in this explainer: The Taliban offered to surrender Osama Bin Laden after 9/11 and the Bush Administration declined A significant portion of aid and investment sent to Afghanistan was wasted or pocketed by corrupt or incompetent US contractors - it wasn't just corruption on behalf of the Afghan government.
@jcshy
@jcshy 2 жыл бұрын
They offered to surrender him to a country without a relationship with the US and only if concrete evidence was provided - not quite the same, is it? Not like they could be trusted in the first place. They made a non-negotiable offer and it was rejected, they weren’t in the position to make demands
@akkronym48
@akkronym48 2 жыл бұрын
@@jcshy when we're talking about how to evaluate the legacy of a 20 year war that cost more than $2 trillion and resulted in more than 2400 US service member deaths, more than 46000 civilian deaths, and displaced more than 2 million people and then ultimately resulted in the same group who had power before the war taking over after we left - *why* the Taliban's offer to surrender Osama Bin Laden was unacceptable to the Bush Administration is (at best) as equally important as acknowledging that the offer was made and declined and this was the outcome of the path chosen instead. Failing to acknowledge that this offer was made - especially if you're going to say that the US demanded it of them prior to 9/11 and then omit this detail from the aftermath - paints the Taliban as having forced the US's hand and insisting on this protracted conflict; a narrative that is a pretty egregious oversimplification to accept from a "Taliban Explained" video. It retroactively accepts the narrative that this extremely costly (in every sense of the word) war was the only option even though it didn't result in its stated goal. You can argue that it was the best option if you want. Or you can just describe the options that were available and which options were selected, but to omit the detail that an alternative was proposed by the group whose history and intentions you are attempting to explain - whether intentionally or out of ignorance - is to fail to accurately characterize perhaps the most important moment in this group's recent history in a video that's supposed to be explaining them to an uninformed audience. By all means - mention the offer AND why the Bush Administration declined it, but don't show a quote saying "The ruling Taliban's refusal to surrender suspected terrorist bin Laden" and then skip to "After the 9/11 attacks, a US-led coalition invaded Afghanistan to hunt down bin Laden and topple the Taliban" without any mention of their offer to avert/end the war in its infancy which would have resulted in an outcome substantially smaller human toll and a substantially smaller price tag and left the same people in charge of the country that currently rule it.
@jcshy
@jcshy 2 жыл бұрын
@@akkronym48 the biggest issue I think the US had was the fact the Taliban created a safe haven for terrorists to train and then launch attacks around the world. Bin Laden just became leverage to get involved in Afghanistan. I could be wrong but I 100% believe that if the Taliban had handed over any wanted terrorists that were hiding in Afghanistan and shut down the network of training camps throughout the country then the US wouldn’t have ended up getting involved. Taliban have always been about creating an Islamic Emirate in Afghanistan, nothing more and nothing less so as much as their backwards views of the world are concerning, they wouldn’t have actually been a threat if they’d distanced themselves from terrorism and got on with their own business
@hanzalaomar9915
@hanzalaomar9915 2 жыл бұрын
@@jcshy Also, during the Doha talks the Taliban delegation asked the US and NATO allies to define 'terrorism' but according to Taliban, the US couldn't give a definition that excludes US itself. Terrorism to US is a group transnational criminals carrying out killings in foreign soil which also means US and NATO themselves are terrorists.
@hanzalaomar9915
@hanzalaomar9915 2 жыл бұрын
@@ducki US are the terrorists lol
@gorillaguerillaDK
@gorillaguerillaDK 2 жыл бұрын
It’s worth noting that most of Talibans is from the Ghiljī tribes, where a lot of the Pashtuns who supported the West in Afghanistan is from the Durānī tribes and old conflicts between these tribes has also played a huge factor in the war in Afghanistan…
@Lyallpuriya
@Lyallpuriya 2 жыл бұрын
Also, Durranis are mostly educated urban folks while Ghiljis are mostly rural Afghan Pashtuns who are most likely conservative.
@mohamednaflan4361
@mohamednaflan4361 2 жыл бұрын
Never knew these, where can I learn more about this? TIA
@rostam40
@rostam40 2 жыл бұрын
@@mohamednaflan4361 Pashtun tribal wars
@kinderboeken55
@kinderboeken55 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting I didn't know this. Does this also tie in to the rural vs urban areas?
@Lyallpuriya
@Lyallpuriya 2 жыл бұрын
@@kinderboeken55 Yes, Durranis mostly reside in Urban areas while Ghiljis are mostly considered rural folks. Durranis are more educated than Ghiljis that also makes them more progressive than the later ones. Also, we are only talking about Pashtuns in Afghanistan because in Pakistan, Pashtuns have more variety of tribes.
@riceboy890
@riceboy890 2 жыл бұрын
I’m always so impressed with the quality of the information and the graphics in these videos
@PianoWithMe
@PianoWithMe 2 жыл бұрын
Never knew the actual story behind the Taliban Thank you for this video
@AaronShenghao
@AaronShenghao 2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Chinese had saying: “To win a war you need timing, location and people. Timing is nothing when you don’t have location advantage; Location is nothing when you don’t have people’s heart. Only when you captured peoples’ heart, you can win all the wars and hold peace.” This was true in People’s Republic of China’s revolution, this was true in World War Two (both initially in Germany, and later with the allies), this was true in US’ independence war, and this is true in Afghanistan.
@lagalissonniere6800
@lagalissonniere6800 2 жыл бұрын
@Dark Knight irrelevant comment
@ohsehun6470
@ohsehun6470 2 жыл бұрын
@Dark Knight what that got to do with the comment?
@mauricio9564
@mauricio9564 2 жыл бұрын
@Dark Knight Cause Mao won the majority of the Chinese people over to his side,who killed those other Chinese people?It wasn’t Americans or robots but other Chinese people who supported Mao.
@mauricio9564
@mauricio9564 2 жыл бұрын
@Dark Knight Also looking at statistics of population size I would say no,not to say Maoist China did not see the death of millions during killing of landlords by peasants,killing of cadre by students during Cultural Revolution and so forth but it wasn’t comparable to Japanese occupation.Literally look at any demographic chart of Maoist China,wheter the west likes it or not the population doubled and life expectancy increased,the few who died were irrelevant to the rest of the population who saw improvements and therefore continued to support Mao and continues to like him after he died.Same way many Americans idealize George Washington who also killed thousands of people,genocided Indians and continued the institution of slavery but overall made a slight improvement in some of his citizens lives so he is remembered as overall positive.
@user-xm2hf6oi5b
@user-xm2hf6oi5b 2 жыл бұрын
@@mauricio9564 are u chinese? impressed by your clear-thinking comment
@rappcu
@rappcu 2 жыл бұрын
It’s like the US Gov’t has no one who has ever studied history leading the way. The hubris to think “it’ll be different this time because we’re different” astounds and amazes.
@EOstr.
@EOstr. 2 жыл бұрын
I can't think in a Gov. that think different anywhere at least in the past 3 decades. Get in power looks the common gold when in power... they rule, how to rule looks irrelevant for them as long they can keep the power.
@dundeedolphin
@dundeedolphin 2 жыл бұрын
That assumes that the ambition was to take over Afghanistan.
@sunset2.00
@sunset2.00 2 жыл бұрын
Spending on women will win war in Hollywood movies. Oh the women while men get bombed or killed by both sides . I would rather get forced marriage n open my leg n sit back home n relax n practice fasting n enjoying books while my women get killed in war n a new one come to my house to marry n dies a few years later.what a good life than my 3 jihadi wife.
@dundeedolphin
@dundeedolphin 2 жыл бұрын
@@sunset2.00 What? 😂😂😂
@ridleyscott5234
@ridleyscott5234 2 жыл бұрын
american lead governments have been successful in Kosovo, Korea, Japan, and Germany. its less so their studying of history and more so their backing of warlords.
@squareinsquare2078
@squareinsquare2078 Жыл бұрын
It was rural people in Cambodia that drove the Khymer Rouge for similar reasons. It's incredibly important to not ignore rural people, they are as important as people in cities.
@8is
@8is 7 ай бұрын
Reminds me of rural South Vietnam that had very effective militias that used guerrilla warfare and reconnaissance, which lead them to inflicting about 30% of the total casualties the Viet Cong and PAVN suffered throughout the Vietnam War.
@nathanlevesque7812
@nathanlevesque7812 2 жыл бұрын
So we're just going to skip over the part where the Taliban offered to give up Bin Laden immediately after 9/11?
@mr.muhammadabdulbari
@mr.muhammadabdulbari 2 жыл бұрын
They never offered Osama. They would have never done that . They wouldn't expel a believer who had come from the land of Prophet (PBUH) and hand him over to non beleivers
@nathanlevesque7812
@nathanlevesque7812 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr.muhammadabdulbari It's a fact that they did.
@SWATMANUNIT1
@SWATMANUNIT1 3 ай бұрын
@@nathanlevesque7812 They didn't offer him. The US asked them to give him over, Taliban said that they would try him in an Afghanistan court.
@nathanlevesque7812
@nathanlevesque7812 2 ай бұрын
@@SWATMANUNIT1 Bush and Congress didn't even want to talk about it, but you can pretend otherwise all you want.
@Dukenukem
@Dukenukem 2 жыл бұрын
"They rule not because the are good, but because they are persistant" - sums it up nicely
@wineverything7529
@wineverything7529 2 жыл бұрын
Persistentce is a good character.. So they are good lol Anyhow it is not for America/American media to decide what is good or not it is high time they understood the world doesn't revolve around western values not anymore
@ROBLOXGamingDavid
@ROBLOXGamingDavid 2 жыл бұрын
and they're students. They follow their religious beliefs but they dont know how to govern.
@wineverything7529
@wineverything7529 2 жыл бұрын
@@ROBLOXGamingDavid That's rich coming from an American who failed to unite Afghanistan
@ROBLOXGamingDavid
@ROBLOXGamingDavid 2 жыл бұрын
@@wineverything7529 I'm from the Philippines.. *_confused face_* But i agree, the Americans failed Afghanistan.
@ROBLOXGamingDavid
@ROBLOXGamingDavid 2 жыл бұрын
@زید it looks like it.
@ricardoroxas7690
@ricardoroxas7690 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is a good explainer to serve as a starting point for more delicate discussions
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@wineverything7529
@wineverything7529 2 жыл бұрын
Not really.. There is no mention of the unity factor OF Afghanistan and why Taliban are able to unite people under their rule.. U guessed it Afghans have a common religion which apparently America always ignores Islamophobia is the reason USA lost
@wineverything7529
@wineverything7529 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikhael636 It is Allah who help us and not America.. America abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviet Withdrawal and never provided further aid and assistance instead it put sanctions and it didn't even turn an eye on what was happening
@justinkase5260
@justinkase5260 2 жыл бұрын
They forgot to mention that the Taliban offered Osama to the US many times in exchange for peace.
@chrisjlee2013
@chrisjlee2013 2 жыл бұрын
Source?
@lordsiomai
@lordsiomai 2 жыл бұрын
wait, really?
@TK-pl9cu
@TK-pl9cu 2 жыл бұрын
"Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand over Bin Laden" - The Guardian, 2001
@lordpickle178
@lordpickle178 2 жыл бұрын
Source?
@AsymmetricalCrimes
@AsymmetricalCrimes 2 жыл бұрын
@@TK-pl9cu the article fails to mention the "Osama" the Taliban tried to hand over was a doppelganger. The US knew it wasn't him and ignored the offer.
@victorien3704
@victorien3704 Жыл бұрын
People think that religion is the problem when it is the culture itself. Pre-Islamic Arabia was like the taliban now and even worse, Islam gave women rights like property etc when they were treated bad before. Some people accepted islam but still continued their tribal culture....
@AadhityaSrinivasaPanduRanganV
@AadhityaSrinivasaPanduRanganV 2 жыл бұрын
Editing in vox always ultimate
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Also misinformation
@alexinhoFCB
@alexinhoFCB 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they are the best when it comes to editing. It’s a true masterpiece
@beluwuga2229
@beluwuga2229 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-jv3mm6vt6e like?
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
@@beluwuga2229 this entire video The ethiopian Civil War The Yemen crisis The navalny and scripal and ukrainegate
@darrenbutler9819
@darrenbutler9819 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-jv3mm6vt6e actual info, just saying this or that doesn't provide factual information.
@Cloudyedits86
@Cloudyedits86 2 жыл бұрын
I swear its heartbreaking how there's always something going on in Afghanistan
@squadcast7456
@squadcast7456 2 жыл бұрын
Leave them to it it's no one's problem
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@SystemFreaKk13
@SystemFreaKk13 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-jv3mm6vt6e make sure you post that comment everywhere, ok?
@adityaajit2120
@adityaajit2120 2 жыл бұрын
@@SystemFreaKk13 W
@moemenshahawy
@moemenshahawy Жыл бұрын
@@squadcast7456 exactly, if they just leave them to it. But there will always be one small nation being used by the US to mess around with Russia. 40 years ago it was Afghanistan, today it's Ukraine
@dayurwarfa9762
@dayurwarfa9762 2 жыл бұрын
Bush: Taliban will pay the price American taxpayers: actually we did 😂😂😭🤣🤣
@MS-np2nf
@MS-np2nf 11 ай бұрын
"At an islamic school called a madrasah " Madrasah literally means school in arabic.
@nachiketajoshi7703
@nachiketajoshi7703 2 жыл бұрын
3:07 India never funded any Mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion. It rather sided with the Soviet (India and Soviet were really close) and provided medical aid to Afghan socialist government. India helped Mujahideen (Northern Alliance) after the Taliban came to power. Wrong graphic.
@adamqawasmeh4462
@adamqawasmeh4462 2 жыл бұрын
The speaker never said that India funded the mujahideen. He says that Pakistan was afraid that India MIGHT fund them, which implies a proxy war to invade and weaken Pakistan, i.e. an enemy of India.
@Pradeep-ix6dj
@Pradeep-ix6dj 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamqawasmeh4462 watch the video again. They did say India armed the militia to gain influence. That was never the case. 3:07
@ammarkhan7618
@ammarkhan7618 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pradeep-ix6dj I might be mistaken but . Did the recent gov( indian admitted to fund and has continued funding militia in afghan
@psuyog
@psuyog 2 жыл бұрын
@@ammarkhan7618 Where did get that information from? Ghq Islamabad or from that lier Dgispr?
@prathyushareddy9404
@prathyushareddy9404 2 жыл бұрын
@@adamqawasmeh4462 huh too much imagination
@shubh_ind
@shubh_ind 2 жыл бұрын
In the name of "democracy" , US invades the country 😂😂
@fadli_1577
@fadli_1577 2 жыл бұрын
In the name of "socialism", Soviet invades Afghanistan
@shubh_ind
@shubh_ind 2 жыл бұрын
@@fadli_1577 totally agree with you my American friend... When it comes to destruction , both USA and Russia are secret allies.
@crippleddepression1142
@crippleddepression1142 2 жыл бұрын
@@shubh_ind nah f the superpowers
@XhumpersX
@XhumpersX 2 жыл бұрын
Those aren't mutually exclusive ideas. Afghanistan had an authoritarian theocracy with un-elected leaders. The US and UN did put some effort into setting up a democracy, but yeah that was clearly not their primary goal.
@saqlainbhat5104
@saqlainbhat5104 2 жыл бұрын
To loot lithium ,which never was found
@Di-yk6hb
@Di-yk6hb 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for a concise and very informative video. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@keanuvillanueva8128
@keanuvillanueva8128 2 жыл бұрын
I relate so much of this documentary. This what I see growing up from the middle east.
@sayedhasan2668
@sayedhasan2668 2 жыл бұрын
The US and its nationbuilding project in Afghanistan! In 2001, in the Human Development Index global ranking, Afghanistan was 162; in 2020, it even came down to 169
@salokin3087
@salokin3087 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong, this is because development of poorer countries increased faster than Afghanistan. In the same metrics, afghanistan's HDI increased
@j.3785
@j.3785 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend a New Yorker article by Anand Gopal "The other Afghan Women" which has a lot more details about the lives in rural areas. This video talks about the corruption in the Afghan govt but hasn't mentioned the problems the US and the allied forces created. Money and troops don't solve problems. Aside from the indiscriminate killings we frequently see on the news, the CIA-backed death squads (now many living in the US) and warlords also brought fears to locals.
@tinisnqui
@tinisnqui Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Do you have other resources in where I could read about this topic, I really want to educate myself
@Beemmeupz
@Beemmeupz 7 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but this sounds like deflection
@SMmania123
@SMmania123 2 жыл бұрын
1960s Afghanistan may have been the best time for Afghans in the modern era.
@dumigamez397
@dumigamez397 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. The country wasn't rich but it was relatively democratic and competently managed.
@farispervaiz1634
@farispervaiz1634 2 жыл бұрын
One thing is true, tabilban 90’s were amateur with no knowledge of governance while taliban of 20’s are very different and a bit modernist. That could be because of social networks and media. But the fact that pakistan supported Afghanistan in pressing soviets out is incomplete. The right sentence is “ saudi arabia and united states used pakistan as their proxy and camp to help afghan mujahideen to defeat soviets from becoming another super power”.
@bibhuduttamisra6065
@bibhuduttamisra6065 2 жыл бұрын
But dear actions have no justification... If you supported for what the reason may be you are equally part of the wrong actions...😌
@farispervaiz1634
@farispervaiz1634 2 жыл бұрын
S N they were no happy under the foreign occupation either. They just came out of a war and their foreign reserves are sealed, whole world is not allowing them breath, no body is giving them chance. Its true there is a huge crisis but it would be unfair to blame poor afghans for this but not the war waging NATO.
@leechrec
@leechrec 9 ай бұрын
Taliban in both eras: love to wage war
@pascalmassie4706
@pascalmassie4706 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is very helpful.
@Mohammad-ll2is
@Mohammad-ll2is Жыл бұрын
As an Afghan young man, I couldn’t agree more with the exact explanation of the Taliban. That’s exactly what has been happening to my innocent & destroyed motherland. This world will only be a peaceful place if we, HUMAN Family, work together and help each other. “Light always wins over darkness” ❤️🇦🇫❤️
@A13b100
@A13b100 Жыл бұрын
So do you support taliban now?
@a_glacial_death_
@a_glacial_death_ Жыл бұрын
@@A13b100 Afghanistan has always suffered from ultraconservative elements, with or without Taliban. Love is stronger than hate. The US is an evil, incompetent country that couldn't achieve much there.
@AdamBarron-qz7wu
@AdamBarron-qz7wu 10 ай бұрын
History repeats itself
@darexinfinity
@darexinfinity 8 ай бұрын
Afghanistan still looks pretty dark even after the Taliban's recent takeover. Women's rights keeping get worse.
@Rizwan-Ali
@Rizwan-Ali 2 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent report and the best one on the Afghanistan issue. very well covered all the aspects of the Afghan war. would love to see more on this area.
@potapotapotapotapotapota
@potapotapotapotapotapota 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've actually had this all explained to me... I've heard it on the news for so long but never understood how it happened. Very interesting!
@tjmguardian3668
@tjmguardian3668 2 жыл бұрын
It’s great how a channel like vox can just put all of this info in one video. Fascinating
@educatorofneedy5756
@educatorofneedy5756 2 жыл бұрын
Vox ?
@christianedavi5166
@christianedavi5166 2 жыл бұрын
Wow... This video is no longer available? I would like to see it!
@dionysus8041
@dionysus8041 2 жыл бұрын
"Beatings, stonings, and public executions were common punishments under the Taliban regime" So the Taliban is just a Saudi Arabia, but we like the Saudis.
@amitmiki
@amitmiki 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but Afghanistan doesn't have Oil
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
@@amitmiki they also have no affinity with uncle Sam. There's no iran_style scarecrow to scare them.
@dionysus8041
@dionysus8041 2 жыл бұрын
Afghanistan is the poor Saudi brother. Boom
@marwansallam
@marwansallam 2 жыл бұрын
YES. They should copy America and give rapists and killers a gym and food for 20 years while probably becoming even more violent. Makes sense why America has such a low crime rate. Oh wait that's Saudi.
@Green_Goddess
@Green_Goddess 2 жыл бұрын
The teacher is a brave changemaker
@Student0Toucher
@Student0Toucher 2 жыл бұрын
I love America for creating youtube so we can bash America, freedom is great.
@aryanred2490
@aryanred2490 2 жыл бұрын
You talking bout mullah mohammed omar?
@AbdulAhad-oq6lz
@AbdulAhad-oq6lz 2 жыл бұрын
But no so smart promoting education when there is really no infrastructure to use it , risking their own and students lives.
@ludlowaloysius
@ludlowaloysius 2 жыл бұрын
@@AbdulAhad-oq6lz they need to _learn_ to build infra. before they can build infra.
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@hakiajrula3914
@hakiajrula3914 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video about the Balkan Conflicts from 1992-2001)?
@Jay-hr3rh
@Jay-hr3rh 2 жыл бұрын
The Taliban's new name, "America's kryptonite."
@randomhuman1754
@randomhuman1754 2 жыл бұрын
Taliban(afghanistan) was even a kryptotine to previous superpowers like Soviet Union, UK
@dylanghawks
@dylanghawks 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say kryptonite but a thorn in are side.
@SuperPrem
@SuperPrem 2 жыл бұрын
One of Vox's best videos yet. This is great explanatory journalism.
@nyx7842
@nyx7842 2 жыл бұрын
They left out that the textbooks that were used by the madrassas were supplied by the CIA, that were written to be extremely reactionary.
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
@@nyx7842 nothing you said is factually true. Those were easily debunked urban legends.
@jcshy
@jcshy 2 жыл бұрын
@@nyx7842 bet you believe that pigs can fly too don’t you
@Bluebird_Obs
@Bluebird_Obs 2 жыл бұрын
@@nyx7842 I think another reason was simply that they might not have come across this topic in research or that this video simply was focused on explaining the Taliban overall rather than specific in-depth topics.
@lambdamax
@lambdamax 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't thus also a similar story to the indigenous tribes when the British, Spaniards, and French came to the Americas? Fragmentation and lack of unity amongst tribes?
@omarshinwari7823
@omarshinwari7823 2 жыл бұрын
No lol. the tribes in America were all of the same ethnicity The tribes of afghanistan speak 2 diffrent languages. diffrent history values culture and land. Far more complex
@keysmash6739
@keysmash6739 Жыл бұрын
@@omarshinwari7823 they weren’t the same ethnicity. There were multiple indigenous civilizations all over america, even in a single country there were many of them, apart from each other. They all spoke different languages.
@Passportsandprofits
@Passportsandprofits Жыл бұрын
@@omarshinwari7823 the native Americans were far more complex then the Afghanistans😂 No offense but the afghani people are mainly rural farmers whereas the Native Americans were building complex cities and megalithic structures that are still standing thousands of years later
@alexdenisov7912
@alexdenisov7912 2 жыл бұрын
Unsurprisingly VOX forgot to mention that Taliban and Al Kaida as well were nursed and supplied by USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as Soviet opponents in Afghanistan)
@AsymmetricalCrimes
@AsymmetricalCrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Except they weren't. The U.S. never supported either groups. You forget Al-Qaeda was formed in Pakistan, not Afghanistan in 1988. When the U.S. found out about Al-Qaeda, they had Osama banished from Arabia which is why he and Al-Qaeda spent the early 1990s in East Africa. And the Taliban was formed in 1994, long after the U.S. involvement had ended. After they took Kabul in 1996, they invited Al-Qaeda back to Afghanistan. Where is your proof they supported them because the U.S. had lost all interest in the entire region until 1997 when Clinton ordered the bombing of several Al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan in retaliation for Al-Qaeda attacks on Americans in Somalia.
@breadfishEdits
@breadfishEdits 2 жыл бұрын
I love how they mentioned the conquest of Kabul as it it was treacherous. But infact it was the most sophisticated approach in taking their rule back in Kabul, There were no casualties, no threats, Just peaceful.
@fitztastico
@fitztastico 2 жыл бұрын
This was so good. One suggestion: It would be particularly helpful to include dates/years in your graphics, like at 11:12 with your maps of control
@farispervaiz1634
@farispervaiz1634 2 жыл бұрын
They tempered well known facts and it sounds good to you.
@Sahelian
@Sahelian 2 жыл бұрын
It's all america's fault
@williamcunninghammorrison3894
@williamcunninghammorrison3894 2 жыл бұрын
Islamists
@sycthethebeast2541
@sycthethebeast2541 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamcunninghammorrison3894 nope the us support them funded them and gave weapons
@divyanshraiswal6969
@divyanshraiswal6969 2 жыл бұрын
@@sycthethebeast2541 and also pakistan
@williamcunninghammorrison3894
@williamcunninghammorrison3894 2 жыл бұрын
@@sycthethebeast2541 they funded mujahideen not Taliban
@divyanshraiswal6969
@divyanshraiswal6969 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamcunninghammorrison3894 well the pakistan NSA was just in Kabul meeting with the taliban. Taliban are also Mujahidin
@nilguntosun1144
@nilguntosun1144 Жыл бұрын
this is a very clear explanation, thank you
@stud000000079
@stud000000079 2 жыл бұрын
If guns weren't given like candy in Afghanistan, then none of this would have occurred. Also the rivalry among countries to become more powerful or to bring others down.
@hashim.4
@hashim.4 Жыл бұрын
Agreed Afghanistan is unfortunate that they are surrounded by these super powers
@info_eurasia
@info_eurasia Жыл бұрын
No, the US sponsored Afghan government was just corrupt, unpopular and incompetent. You can't impose Western ideas and centralised governence on tribal people. Northwest Pakistan was a lawless warzone for centuries, only in 2018 was the writ of the central government established there for the first time after a huge military operation and local uprising against the Taliban.
@Hlk.100
@Hlk.100 6 ай бұрын
@@info_eurasiayou’re right I think the US did that on purpose, they didn’t really care about the country the goal was just to het bin laden and destroy the taliban. If the US didn’t put warlords, thief and criminals group in power, maybe the afghan could’ve defeated the taliban.
@Pelthail
@Pelthail 2 жыл бұрын
What an incredible editorial. Thank you.
@Akshayysk
@Akshayysk 2 жыл бұрын
Title - how US killed millions of Afghanistan
@Student0Toucher
@Student0Toucher 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes it’s all Americas fault Im Sure USSR has no blame nor Pakistan
@mohitbansal1221
@mohitbansal1221 2 жыл бұрын
@@Student0Toucher precisely just the US , America is the root of all terror who pretends to be the hero
@AsymmetricalCrimes
@AsymmetricalCrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Yes let's ignore the 3 million Afghans killed by the Soviet Army. Or the 140,00 Afghans killed by the British. Or the 2 million Afghans killed by Pakistan.
@AsymmetricalCrimes
@AsymmetricalCrimes 2 жыл бұрын
@@mohitbansal1221 I bet you are a Holocaust denier based on the level of delusion in your comment.
@swamuelthemlgplaya2268
@swamuelthemlgplaya2268 Жыл бұрын
‘I hate the US because they are popular’
@marziasadat5591
@marziasadat5591 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making these videos 🐱
@josephj1973
@josephj1973 8 ай бұрын
My heart goes out to the innocent people in Afghanistan ❤🙏🏻🇨🇦
@agniteyt
@agniteyt 2 жыл бұрын
Woods know that they're two faced from the beginning he started working with the Mujahideen
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@gorillaguerillaDK
@gorillaguerillaDK 2 жыл бұрын
The Mujahedeen isn't the same as Taliban, SOME became Taliban, a lot of others supported the invasion to get rid of the Talibans
@agniteyt
@agniteyt 2 жыл бұрын
@@gorillaguerillaDK Yeah that's kinda true...
@gorillaguerillaDK
@gorillaguerillaDK 2 жыл бұрын
@@agniteyt Not kinda, it IS true.... The conflict in Afghanistan has so many layers to it, and even this video only briefly touches on some of them... There's basically no mention of how the Pashtuns is divided, or how some of the conflict in Afghanistan has been a proxy conflict between India and Pakistan. How it's a war between the educated and the mostly uneducated. How various tribes has shifted sides depending on various factors. How corruption undermined the effort to create a working national armed force. There's so many layers in this conflict - and most only know about one or two if them...
@marcuscarana9240
@marcuscarana9240 2 жыл бұрын
I feel so sorry for both the innocent civilians who died as collateral casualties and the American soldiers who died following their government's orders which was at the end a failure. US soldiers and Afghan civilians died and trillions of dollar spent. All of that and nothing changed for the better. Afghanistan is a living dystopia.
@Majacaro
@Majacaro 5 ай бұрын
Do u think Afghanistan is the only country Americans ruined ?.. even with a "war" directly, Venezuela us suffering the same way. If the American gouvernement doesn't like a country, they bully it until its currency collapse, creating an economcal collapse.. but who are you to dictate the world, which gouvernement is right or wrong ?
@aryanram02
@aryanram02 5 ай бұрын
hondurus too.@@Majacaro
@KeiMori
@KeiMori 2 жыл бұрын
That knock at 7:12 frightened me to my core
@SP-cg9fu
@SP-cg9fu 9 ай бұрын
3:08 Provided a wrong information. India never funded Taliban and it was Pakistan and they are feeling the heat now.
@AsparagusAutist
@AsparagusAutist 2 жыл бұрын
The word taliban is derived from arabic not pashto. In arabic talib (طالب) means student.
@andrewweaver2517
@andrewweaver2517 2 жыл бұрын
Ana tabib. Indec Hashish.
@andrewweaver2517
@andrewweaver2517 2 жыл бұрын
That's all I remember.
@ArabianCrescent
@ArabianCrescent 2 жыл бұрын
Pashto and other languages are heavily influenced by Arabic, There are words in Arabic that are the exact same in Farsi, Pashto, Hindi, Indonesian (Javanese), etc
@historywithhilbert146
@historywithhilbert146 2 жыл бұрын
It's a loanword from Arabic into Pashto as far as I'm aware.
@cap1banksy349
@cap1banksy349 2 жыл бұрын
just because a word is originally derived from Arabic doesn't mean that the term "Taliban" wasn't given to us from Pashto; the plural suffix -an is clearly Pashto, and the term was originally coined by native Pashto speakers, so it's kind of weird to consider "Taliban" an Arabic word in the same way that it's odd to think of the English word "student" as being Latin.
@queenofgrah
@queenofgrah 2 жыл бұрын
It’s time that rich countries stop helping others for profit, and start helping them for humanity
@jimmyopio9464
@jimmyopio9464 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly not going to happen buddy. Life is a system
@flaskanbottle9250
@flaskanbottle9250 2 жыл бұрын
No let the counties help them self, otherwise how will they learn?
@queenofgrah
@queenofgrah 2 жыл бұрын
@@flaskanbottle9250 that’s a good point, but Afghanistan has reached the point that someone needs to intervene or the country will descend into anarchy
@Hmuk09
@Hmuk09 2 жыл бұрын
@@frisb3e781 Afghanistan is not in Africa
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@molamola8305
@molamola8305 2 жыл бұрын
3:31 the SFX is soo good!
@gkmusic..
@gkmusic.. 2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for a long time for a video about the Taliban
@just_in_key
@just_in_key 2 жыл бұрын
The production is amazing 🤌🏻✨
@koxukoshu
@koxukoshu 2 жыл бұрын
the knocking sound at 7:11 gave me quite a scare at 1 in the morning
@carolgaribay
@carolgaribay Жыл бұрын
3:09 Vox: "Even" the US. The US: *chuckles* Operation Cyclone, baby.
@SohailKhan-lq8de
@SohailKhan-lq8de 2 жыл бұрын
As an Afghan I have got many questions which has no answer
@devicexd1326
@devicexd1326 2 жыл бұрын
Great and objective explanation, remind me of what I saw in Homeland, also made me realize how lucky I am to live in a peaceful world which many of us take for granted.
@Phoebes8391
@Phoebes8391 2 жыл бұрын
god level editing. holy smokes the content is just top notch
@bhagyajitdas1498
@bhagyajitdas1498 2 жыл бұрын
Vox as always
@affablesaif7725
@affablesaif7725 2 жыл бұрын
its vox..what do you expect!! but if you are a fan of editing i suggest you watch Johnny Harries...
@marcosoto1711
@marcosoto1711 Жыл бұрын
I was trying to understand what the War of Afghanistan really was and this video explained everything
@shashind.9591
@shashind.9591 2 жыл бұрын
Most intense intro for a KZfaq video ever.
@adrienneroy1705
@adrienneroy1705 2 жыл бұрын
4:27: I don’t know if this was intentional, but “madrassat” (مدرسة) just means school, not specifically an Islamic school :)
@mglaze13
@mglaze13 2 жыл бұрын
In Afghanistan, maktab مکتب refers to regular school, which is primarily secular, whereas madrasa مدرسه has a more religious connotation. Both words originate from Arabic, but changed in meaning, e.g. maktab means library in Arabic. So a child might attend an after-school madrasa to practice Quran recitation, poetry memorization, etc.
@adrienneroy1705
@adrienneroy1705 2 жыл бұрын
@@mglaze13 This is so interesting! Thank you so much :)
@crossfire7474
@crossfire7474 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine in a different timeline wherein Afghanistan is peaceful. No Soviet interference and no civil wars.
@luke.4317
@luke.4317 2 жыл бұрын
where us didnt fund the muhjadeen*
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
@@luke.4317 the Chinese would just have instead 💁‍♂️. Like the Chinese funded forces against the Soviets in Southern Africa.
@hamedsadat3315
@hamedsadat3315 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eowunyth why would China fund/create the mujahiddin if the country was headed in their direction
@risannd
@risannd 2 жыл бұрын
Where Daoud Khan didn't topple the monarchy and started his own republic.
@kabodra
@kabodra 2 жыл бұрын
@@risannd oh that would have been a great alternative history
@farhiyoahmedmohamed7445
@farhiyoahmedmohamed7445 Жыл бұрын
I BEAR WITNESS THERE IS NO DEITY NONE TRULY TO BE WORSHIPPED BUT ALLAH S.W.T AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT PROPHET MUHAMMED S.A.W IS ALLAH S.W.T MESSENGER AMEEN
@Adrischa
@Adrischa 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work!
@shameem8743
@shameem8743 2 жыл бұрын
Vox graphic editor is just beyond 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌❤️
@johnmdelcampo
@johnmdelcampo 2 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention when the Taliban wanted to give the U.S Osama Bin Landen
@Eowunyth
@Eowunyth 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a long debunked urban legend. The Taliban openly refused to hand over bin Laden and anyone from AQ.
@mythbusterUSA
@mythbusterUSA 2 жыл бұрын
No stubborn Taliban leader Mullah Omar refused because he believed it was against Pashtunwali. Saudi Prince Turki Al-Faisal and Pakistani foreign office and military members met with Mullah Omar to convince him. They told him about the consequences not only for his country but also for region.
@stefan4159
@stefan4159 2 жыл бұрын
@@Eowunyth Exactly, at best it was an offer to extradite bin Laden to a country that had no relationship with the US. Because that would have worked out just swell!
@St3.
@St3. 2 жыл бұрын
“He worked at an Islamic school called a Madrasa” Madrasa in English: school.
@abdullahobeidat4999
@abdullahobeidat4999 2 жыл бұрын
(Note in translation at min 4:30) a madrasa is just a school - not linked to a certain religion.
@SuperPrem
@SuperPrem 2 жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to they Afghan people. Stay Strong and persevere!
@user-jv3mm6vt6e
@user-jv3mm6vt6e 2 жыл бұрын
Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.
@miliba
@miliba 2 жыл бұрын
the afghan people are under better management now. perfect? nah. but definitely better than what was before
@Ali80076
@Ali80076 2 жыл бұрын
Yes pray for the Afghan People now, after hitting them with drone strikes and installing war lords over them for 20 years its time to pray for the Afghan people now.
@Ali80076
@Ali80076 2 жыл бұрын
@@ducki so why was everyone quiet when it was the US killing Afghans but now you all suddenly care what happens in Afghanistan after the Taliban took over? a bit hypocritical don't you think?
@Ninja-kl8do
@Ninja-kl8do 2 жыл бұрын
@@ducki Always «opression» always…. People are starving and whats you people think about?!?! Muh women! People are homeless and starving, dying
@BakeryTakery
@BakeryTakery 2 жыл бұрын
Nice little heart attack for headphone users at 7:11
@nathasyapramudita6312
@nathasyapramudita6312 2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad with Afghanistan. Their ancestor is crying maybe when seeing their beautiful city, before rich with culture and tolerance, the home ground of magnificent scholar, and religious is never be the obstacles of developing their countries and science. Now end up being crossfire and many generation later will still have the impact of what happened now.
@hibatahir4225
@hibatahir4225 2 жыл бұрын
The video places most of the blame for arming and training the Taliban on Pakistan. But in reality, Pakistan did that on US orders. The US provided aid to Pakistan for training mujahideen. Pakistan is fairly a poor country, that can barely pull its own weight. How can a country like that invest in a foreign armed militia so lavishly? Another thing this video doesn't mention is that a lot of the Mujahideen joined the Taliban. Taliban and mujahideen are not completely separate entities. It also conveniently did not mention how Pakistan also fought the Taliban and how the US would have never been able to enter Afghanistan if Pakistan had not allowed the US to use its land.
@KidAnfield786
@KidAnfield786 Жыл бұрын
pakistan helped the mujahideen in 80-90s when america asked them but that was for the soviet war. after the soviets left and afg went into a civil war, pakistan’s training/funding etc of the taliban was pakistans decision. pakistan decisively played a double game with usa for 40 years. yes they funded mujahideen in soviet war when usa asked them to but pakistan didn’t do it simply for that reason. it was the aid given to pakistan in that time which finalised the nuclear arsenal they have today, and that was done against not just usa, but the entire wests desires. same in the last 2 decades, pakistan “helped” usa by giving them access to afg, but pakistan had their own interests at heart and under the ruse of helping usa, majorly helped taliban instead. if it wasn’t for pakistans sheltering, financing and training of the taliban, mujahideen or any other group, they wouldn’t control afg right now.
@fAshSon
@fAshSon 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I'm caught up to date with all this political mess. Men in power holding guns, women suffers holding books. May there be peace one day.
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