VRAM - is 8GB or 12GB really enough to play Games in 2023?

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Gaming graphics cards (GPUs) can have anywhere from 24GB of VRAM (think RTX 4090 and RX 7900 XTX) to as low as 1GB of VRAM (GT710), though how much is enough? Is the 8GB on your RTX 3060 Ti and RTX 3070 going to cut in 2023? Well let's test out the most popular vram demanding titles in 2023 to find out.
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Chapters
00:00 VRAM, Utilization vs Allocation.
02:54 Modern Warfare 2, 1080p low requirements all the way to 4K Ultra.
04:23 Hogwarts Legacy Vram Benchmarks.
06:04 The last of us part 1 the absolute chonker for vram consumption.
08:49 Spiderman Miles Morales, Ray tracing needs even more VRAM.
11:00 Conclusion, how much VRAM should your new GPU have? The bare minimum, vs low vs having some flexibility to game.
15:59 Question of the day, who will pay that much for a card with only 12GB of VRAM?
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@MarcoGPUtuber Жыл бұрын

I still run 4 GB of VRAM. It works so well. All my games run flawlessly on my 800x600 CRT!

@philscomputerlab Жыл бұрын

4MB Voodoo is all you need ☺

@MarcoGPUtuber Жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab that's right! My voodoo 3 2000 should be all that's enough! Now time to play some DOOM!

@Po5itivemind5et Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoGPUtuber loooool

@pf100andahalf Жыл бұрын

640x480 is where it's at.

@ShinyHelmet Жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Yeah, mine served me well playing the original Half Life at 640x480 on a 14 inch monitor. 🤩

@MovoSt Жыл бұрын

A follow up test on 1080P Ultra and 1440P low/ ultra would be great.

@matthewIhorn Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@dgonsilver-fs5gf Жыл бұрын

100

@SomeSloan 9 ай бұрын

Would be great to see a vid on vram usage at these resolutions! Based on this videos results, I think it would be safe to assume that if you want to play games at high-ultra settings on 1080p without worry- 10-12gb vram should be a safe bet

@upfront2375 6 ай бұрын

@@SomeSloan For today 8 is enough at 1080p. For yrs to come, you'd need to either down the textures OR upscale anyways to stay at 60fps.. both of which will greatly lower the vram usage. There're 2 reasons why 3060ti-4060 has only 8gb. 1.It's enough for the perf. power at lower res. high fps use case. 2.So ppl who need more go buy much more expensive cards. The 12gb on 3060 and 16 on 4060ti aren't useless overall for some creative scenarios, but for gaming?? sht it's gonna be exactly like 4gb 750ti.... like a big D on a catholic priest! lol

@DJ_Dopamine Жыл бұрын

I game on a 1080p display. Not having issues with 8GB. Anyway, I'm always happy to turn things down a notch (or two) from Ultra if necessary. The visual difference is usually marginal.

@SuperConker Жыл бұрын

This is what I think nVidia should have done for Vram on the entire 4000-series: -4050/4050 ti 12 GB -4060/4060 ti 12 GB -4070/4070 ti 16 GB -4080 16 GB -4090 24 GB Basically not a single model with under 12GB of Vram.

@Terry1212 Жыл бұрын

The 4070 and 4070 Ti have 12GB of VRAM

@SuperConker Жыл бұрын

@@Terry1212 I know, i'm just saying that's what nVidia SHOULD have done with the Vram.

@SherLock55 10 ай бұрын

What's the point of 12gb on a 4050 LMFAO, it's not even fast enough to run at higher resolutions and settings where it would be needed.

@SuperConker 10 ай бұрын

@@SherLock55 The 4050 would perform about the same as the 3060, which has 12 GB of VRAM. The 3060 again, performs the same as the good old 1080 ti (with it's 11 GB of VRAM). There are already games out in 2023 that can eat through 12 GB of VRAM at 1080p (and 1080p is not even a high resolution). So to release new cards in 2023 with as little as 8 GB of VRAM is a joke. Starting the lower-end models at 12 GB is perfectly fine.

@SherLock55 10 ай бұрын

@@SuperConker The only games eating 12gb of VRAM at 1080p are unoptimized pieces of trash not worth playing, don't get it twisted. Just because some devs are lazy or incompetent doesn't mean you actually need so much VRAM at such a low resolution.

@peterkeller7880 Жыл бұрын

Its great to see you do this. This was needed to see. Not everyone games on 4k ultra. This helps people really make an informed decision when getting a new gpu especially when coming from older generation of gpu cards. Thank you for your hard work.

@thejollysloth5743 Жыл бұрын

I’m gonna grab a 16GB RX 6800 off EBay for £350. Since I don’t give a toss about RT it will last me at 1080p until the next console generation comes out. I don’t mind having to turn down a couple of settings like shadow quality, fog and other weather effects in 5 years as long as I get the top levels of anti aliasing, render distance, and texture quality. I’ve got a feeling a used RX 6800 16GB will be fine for that at 1080p for many years to come. I also think that a Ryzen 7 5800x will be more than good enough for 1080p ultra or high settings for 5 years or so, and they are so cheap now with a decent B550 board and 32GB of 3600 CL16 RAM. 1080p is fine for me. I only use a 24 inch screen so I don’t really notice the pixelation I would with a 27 inch or larger screen. A lot of my friends still play CSGO at 900p to get the most FPS they can and the lowest latency. And these are pro level players who have 360hz or higher monitors downscaled from 1080p to 900p. A I really can’t notice much of a difference between 1080p and 1440p, but that could just be me…or the fact I’m so used to that resolution.

@sc337 Жыл бұрын

Hi Bryan, hope to see a follow up video by using a real 6GB, 8GB and 12GB cards on the exact same games. I bet the RAM utilization will be much different from the results of this video. Love your vids. Peace

@techyescity Жыл бұрын

No worries man, will definitely be doing that for you! This for me personally is a whole journey that I want to uncover and learn about. I will make this a whole series. However starting out with the two 'unlimited' vram cards is for me a base case to then inference further data against.

@naturesown4489 Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of channels and sources that have done those comparisons, they're very similar

@sc337 Жыл бұрын

@@techyescity much appreciated Bryan. Keep up the good work! 👍👍

@laszlodajka5946 Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Im having a 10gb 3080 and the last of us warns me of it when i push all the settings up to ultra but still runs well. So the 10 gb may still fall into the ok zone for now. May be interesting to see on what settings u can get away with less vram.

@Peter.H.A.Petersen Жыл бұрын

@@techyescity Also, I don't think even a 3070 ti could run 4K Ultra with Raytracing ON at proper frames, if it had 24GB and so isn't it irrelevant if it has enough vram to do it, if it can't do it anyways?

@sebastienhebert6457 Жыл бұрын

New to your channel and I love it. You it the sweet spot pragmatic technical useful information. Thanks for that last part on 1080p high settings.

@wireless1235 Жыл бұрын

I think there needs to be a part 2, which includes the impact of specific settings to vram usage and also includes the use of lower tier cards.

@dreamcat4 Жыл бұрын

if there is a part 2, it would be nice if byan can bring up a table for which of the games being tested are re releases from the latest console generation (who have *almost* 16gbs of addressable vram, minus the game and the operating system.... = so are more like 14gbs max.) versus modern game releases which are either originally last generation console releases? or pc only releases? do such games even exist anymore? i mean ever since xbox division already purchased the entire aaaa* games industry pretty much (near enough) and how much addressable vram did the last gen consoles have? like the ps4... ah only 5.5gb. about same for xbox one. then xbox 1x is 12gb max. and ps5 is 16gb max. but minus the shared memory overheads.

@gozutheDJ Жыл бұрын

bro, it's called, do it yourself.

@simsdas4 Жыл бұрын

I second this, sure you can run high settings but expect to drop textures and shadows for example.

@masterkalel06 Жыл бұрын

Hey Brian. Any chance on the V Ram tests, can you do 1080 Ti and 2080 TI against similar performing 8 GB cards. Since you're all about the used price performance, I'm curious if the 11 Gigs make those cards perform better going forward.

@pkpnyt4711 Жыл бұрын

I think what were kind of missing with this test is we're using the top 2 high end cards from red and green. These cards have the highest bandwidth and throughput compared to the mid and lower end cards. These things might be fast enough to not having to load as much ram as they are fast enough to deal with it. How would ram usage look with a 4070ti and a 6950XT or even a more mid range offering? Im not so sure, but it's a legit question I have in mind.

@pf100andahalf Жыл бұрын

Faster cards don't use less vram.

@SirJohnsonP Жыл бұрын

Yeah it can only get worse with those. But yeah Nvidia is now focusing on AI gpus, Musk ordered 10.000pcs for twitter, and OpenAI ordered more than 30.000pcs. So now they have a perfect excuse to lower the pc gpu production, and focus on AI gpu market... Too bad latex and leather fans are still buying nvidia gpus, giving them a reason more to produce 8gb 500$ gpus in 2023

@standarsh8056 Жыл бұрын

Not how it works. Faster memory = more frames, but if you lack the memory buffer in the first place it will still tank performance

@sc337 Жыл бұрын

From what I observed, some games uses less VRAM on lower VRAM cards. For examplea same game with same settings, a 4GB card may show 3.5GB utilization while a 8GB card may show 4.5GB utilization. I think it makes more sense to test the games with a real 6GB, 8GB & 12GB cards. Anyway, still appreciate Bryan's effort

@pf100andahalf Жыл бұрын

@@sc337 Vram will overflow into system ram. In your example of a lower vram card using less vram, it's using a hell of a lot more system ram.

@philscomputerlab Жыл бұрын

For Windows XP Retro Gaming, less is more. Some games have issues with large VRAM, best to have 1 GB (GT 710 FTW) 😅

@Rabbit_AF Жыл бұрын

What if video card companies made cards that shared system memory again. I was a bit thrown off when a S3 Graphics card I was testing was doing this. ATI had a feature like this called Hyper memory.

@ShinyHelmet Жыл бұрын

I've still got a 256mb 7600 GT for all that retro malarky! 🥰

@devilzuser0050 Жыл бұрын

I selld a gtx titan cause heroes2 & nfs2se doesn't start on it under XP. (6gb vram)

@necuz Жыл бұрын

@@Rabbit_AF That's exactly what the Windows Video Memory Manager is doing, that's why games typically only run really poorly instead of crashing when you run out of VRAM.

@bryanwages3518 Жыл бұрын

@Rabbit _AF amd vega cards can do this. It's called hbcc. You can expand your vram with your system ram.

@altun8310 Жыл бұрын

Hi from Canada. Thank you for the video. Timely analysis and I'll keep an eye out for your future ones on this topic. My suggestion is that you should add 1440p high settings as benchmark. That represents the upgrade path for the majority of people who still play at 1080p. Also, I also noted in youtube videos the ram usage/allocation between nvidia and amd. That would be interesting if you could investigate and explain!

@Beezzzzy_ Жыл бұрын

Any reason 1440p is left out? I think this will be a good data base to put together. Nobody really discusses VRAM, the 1080ti is still a solid card cause of its 11GB of VRAM being released 6 years ago, and we're still having cards come out with 8GB or less, 12GB should be the baseline sold in 2023, not 6GB-8GB anymore.

@HxR-eSports 11 ай бұрын

Yea there a reason. It would have shown results that went against his agenda.

@edeka3 10 ай бұрын

@@HxR-eSportsdo you think 8gb is enough to run at 1440p or 1600p? A little future proof?

@maxdema115 Жыл бұрын

Too few games tested (and one very broken like TLOU) to have a reliable analysis. And would have been great to see 1440P results, since the RTX 4070 has been designed for that target.

@relucentsandman6447 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for talking about VRAM and im also interested in the difference between allocated and utilized, and how being low on VRAM effects the card

@SonGoku-97 Жыл бұрын

Took a break from tech for a while Man is it good to see your face again

@timberwear369 Жыл бұрын

I definitely would like you to include 1440p High Settings. You only tested the two extremes, 1080p vs 4K and Low vs Ultra. 1440p High for me makes much more sense. But maybe with highest texture settings.

@MsNyara Жыл бұрын

1440p Ultra aiming for high frame rate tends to be the same as 4k HD High/Ultra 60FPS discussion.

@Thezuule1 Жыл бұрын

I use my GPU for VR and even with the relatively low memory requirements of most VR games, you still need to render above 4K and even 12gb is likely not enough now, and certainly won't be in a few years.

@gozutheDJ Жыл бұрын

Vr is its own thing.

@darkkillex7220 Жыл бұрын

Same here, I got a 3080 thinking I would be able to easily run VR with it. Except I bought it back when they still had only 10GB of VRAM and as soon as I try to run any game that's not a dedicated VR game in VR I'm just limited by the VRAM

@anthonylong5870 Жыл бұрын

Bro Vr is at best 1080 lol , most is only 720 per eye....Your not rendering 4K

@Bos_Meong Жыл бұрын

@@anthonylong5870 Actually its very close to 4k. quest 2 has resolution totaling 3664x1920 vs 4k 3840 x 2160. despite all of this hl alyx only consume 7gb vram all setting maxed out. Its all about how optimized the game, we need to stop supporting shitty port games

@Thezuule1 Жыл бұрын

@@anthonylong5870 each eye is more than 1080p dude..

@WebbTech1 Жыл бұрын

Hi Brian, I've been subscribed for 3 years now...love the content! Recently I upgraded from my 3070 (8gb) to the 4080 (16gb), in part because of this recent "firestorm" of a subject: vram! I did want the "latest and greatest", and I wanted to future proof my rig.Yes, the 4080 is a very amazing card, performs very well, but it IS expensive...the AMD 7900 series cards offer very decent vram capacities. There are options available...they are just pricey ones!

@bradb2012 Жыл бұрын

Suggestion for a part 2: What impact on visuals does going from, low texture detail to ultra have? Is it better to have 4k low texture detail, or 1080p ultra texture detail... Where is the happy medium?

@puddingfoot Жыл бұрын

Hey! Love your content. Ive also been living in Japan for the last 17 years or so and sometimes check out janpara for deals, and totally agree with your stance on buying used parts for viable builds for 95% of games. However, with VRAM requirements being 12gb for high settings in new AAA titles, I am torn between buying a few cards: rx6800 ' ~48,000 yen, used rx6700t- ~38,000 yen, used rtx 3070* ~43,000 yen, used *Im only considering the 3070 for the video AI upscaling feature in VLC/chrome/edge (Video Super Resolution). What a killer feature! Does AMD offer similar features or is it in the works? I'd go with AMD in a heartbeat if so. Nvidia recommends the 3070 for the highest level (setting level 4) of Video Super Resolution. However, some 3060ti users report using VSR at level 4 without issues. Do you have an opinion on this? Maybe the technology is too young. hope your allergies arent so bad now. This year has sucked for cedar allergies in Japan but we are in the home stretch to golden week and less pollen in the air! ganbare🤘

@bctoy2779 Жыл бұрын

DLSS3 Frame Generation also requires more VRAM. So with 4070Ti, you can already run into a situation where the card can do 4k60 or better but runs out of VRAM and stutters.

@JustGaming24 Жыл бұрын

its not a 4k card tho

@brunoutechkaheeros1182 Жыл бұрын

@@JustGaming24 so why the hell people say 4070 ti beats 3090? wasnt 3090 a 4K card? lmao

@JustGaming24 Жыл бұрын

@@brunoutechkaheeros1182 more or less same performance is not considered a 4k gpu because of the 12gb vram the 3090 has double the amount.

@vargasmongo3435 9 ай бұрын

sorry I saw thw whole video, are you using an Audio Technica AT2020? it sounds really good

@miksedk Жыл бұрын

Have you tried playing around with the anisotropic settings in 1080p? sometimes the games actually plays better with the higher settings in anisotropic settings. And also playing around with FXAA settings

@TheSakrasta Жыл бұрын

I did not expect the impact of resolution on vram usage to be that small compared to the quality settings. It might be very interesting to have a bunch of tables for some of the newest titles, which show vram usage at 1080/1440/4k + low/medium/high/ultra settings. Because a lot of games look very similar at high instead of ultra. So with such a table you could find the sweetspot settings for your personal vram amount. If dropping from 1440 to 1080 only saves you 1GB of vram, but going from ultra to high saves you 2GBs, you would most likely have a better looking game at 1440 high compared to 1080 ultra, while also using less vram.

@angrydragonslayer Жыл бұрын

The textures are still the same quality, you just use less of it on the screen

@bigturkey1 Жыл бұрын

just use dlss. i never have to turn down settings. i just changed dlss settings.

@dreamcat4 Жыл бұрын

yeah i agree somebody out there, if they are doing tables include its primary platform it was targeted for. whether a console, then what usable vram that console had. or if it was a pc only game. because clearly that is useful information to include in such tables... since that is the common underlying reason for these escalating vram requirements. each new console generation [edit] and lets hope sony ps6 will not come with greater than >24gbs of gddr.... or we will all be in trouble! ha

@Kapono5150 Жыл бұрын

So happy to see Nvidia users stand up for themselves on the 4070. Even fake frames doesn’t get them to open the purse.

@LeJimster Жыл бұрын

Honestly, the frame generation and even upscaling tech feel scammy to me. Especially when they're advertising it in their benchmarks. I much prefer running my games at native resolution.

@Verpal Жыл бұрын

@@LeegallyBliindLOL TBH I do know some people prefer the native with jaggies, but I felt most people who claim upscaling is a scam is simply saying that because FSR 2 isn't remotely competitive for now, they don't hate the tech, they just hate NVIDIA.

@LeJimster Жыл бұрын

@@LeegallyBliindLOL Well I can't use DLSS because I'm on AMD. But I'm pretty sure both DLSS and FSR have weird ghosting issues in movement and also strange artifacts. I only use FSR for performance reasons and at the resolutions I'm using it I notice a big visual fidelity drop (edited, because of brain performance failure). DLSS may be better, but I still think it's getting to the point where they aren't producing faster GPU's but faking performance through these techs and artificially locking the software to newer cards. The only way I would like to use this tech would be in reverse, since taking higher resolution and downscaling it produces a crisper image.

@mr.obeydoge5266 Жыл бұрын

Only one thing I can say. These companies dont care about us and I dont know why bother defending but I digress. Here is the main thing people, fake frames is fake frames. Native is definitely the way to go since it truly measures the raw capability of the component. There I said it. Dont allow them to control the market for so long and support their bad habit of setting insane value on products that are supposed to be produced in reasonable prices.

@LeegallyBliindLOL Жыл бұрын

@@LeJimster so, you in reality, don't have a real world reference point. From my experience, even at 4K, FSR is noticeably worse (usually blurry) and I don't notice any artifacts with DLSS unless I use performance mode in some titles. I modded in DLSS for RE4 and it was a night and day difference. You can believe me or not. But in the end, KZfaq doesn't convey the differences well enough.

@XLoad3d Жыл бұрын

Hey Tech Yes I have a question. I was thinking about swapping out my current 1070 gtx GPU out for a 1080ti. With that it's just plug and play right? anything higher like a 2070 gtx won't be compatible with the chipset right (I have a i7-7700 CPU @ 3.60GHz)

@wayland7150 Жыл бұрын

RX VEGA has 8GB but there is an option in the driver to add 4GB of system RAM to the VRAM. Battlefield 2042 seemed to expand itself into the now 12GB VRAM but I can't say if it really helped.

@mattfarrar5472 Жыл бұрын

Would have been good to see you run a 6 or 8gb card in those titles to see what it would do on different settings...

@SlowHardware Жыл бұрын

Brian can you do a video on the radeon vii vs the 2080 in 2023? I'm curious how it stacks up now with it having 16gb vram

@mateyv Жыл бұрын

or 2080 ti vs 3070

@grlmgor Жыл бұрын

A 2080 only has 8GB

@Kryptic1046 Жыл бұрын

@@mateyv - I've seen at least one channel (I don't remember which) comparing the 2080ti vs the 3070 in some recent titles and the 3070 was getting trounced in some of the tests by the 2080ti due to the 3070's VRAM limitation. The 3070 was as fast as the 2080ti, until it wasn't, due to the 8GB of VRAM.

@bryanwages3518 Жыл бұрын

I have a radeon vii and my cousin has a 2080. In most new games I can play at higher settings than he can and I don't have the frame drops like he does. We play a ton of warzone and his frame times are awful.

@SlowHardware Жыл бұрын

@bryanwages3518 thanks for the info, looks like I made a good choice getting one :)

@javier-xe6bv Жыл бұрын

Great video as always my friend.

@BigBadZig1980 Жыл бұрын

so would be the 2080super 8gb or the 1080ti 11gb the better choice (have both)? what are your thoughts on that? the slightly more powerful 2080s, which runs earlier in the vram cap or vice versa with the 1080ti? or, as we are here at the most in 1440p territory, does it not matter?

@masterkalel06 Жыл бұрын

That's what I'm wondering too. I picked a 1080 ti a few months ago over the 2080s based solely on the VRam, and this was before all the VRam controversy.

@Art_Vandelay_Industries Жыл бұрын

What's crazy to me is that the graphic fidelity doesn't actually looks that good, considering the requirements. I think optimization should be more of a focus nowadays. That would also help with the insane prices for hardware atm.

@ShinyHelmet Жыл бұрын

The thinking seems to be that they develop for the hardware available on the new consoles and then just port it to PC.....and hopefully patch it later!

@sven957 Жыл бұрын

They optimize for consoles which have 16GB combined memory. Yes, they COULD optimize it better but that costs a lot of dev time and money which they would rather invest into other parts of the game which makes total sense, considering consoles make up most of their revenue. Although there are titles like TLOU which are actually REALLY badly optimized. But other than that the only party to blame here is nvidia who decided to build planned obsolescence into their cards.

@grlmgor Жыл бұрын

@@sven957 Well if they don't optimize, then don't buy their game.

@sven957 Жыл бұрын

@@grlmgor Sure if you dont want to play uh - pretty much all of the major upcoming titles. Again you cant blame the devs in most cases (you can in TLOU) - 8 GB was first seen on a GPU in 2015. Nvidia did this to make you upgrade when their next overpriced generation drops. 12GB right now is barely enough to max out games (if I'm paying that much for a fucking GPU you better let me max those settings!) just like how 8GB two years ago was barely enough. The 40 series cards will run into the same issues in max 2 years.

@peterpan408 Жыл бұрын

For 1080P there is certainly a fidelity limit set by the pixels, that could be optimized for in the engine.

@Rizzlas Жыл бұрын

I have a 3070 8G , and I can confirm with Hogwarts Legacy in 1080p Ultra settings , I have some trouble having a smooth gameplay all the time (I have to use some optimization tool to do it) , but my friend have a 3060 with 12Gb of VRAM , he runs it in high-ultra settings got a lot smoother experience than me. Pretty sad to be honest :/ I'm thinking about maybe sell my 3070 to get a amd card of the same grade with more VRAM :)

@95928225 Жыл бұрын

I sold my 3070 for 400$ and bought a new 6700xt and it is wayy better. No vram crashes like in re4, deathloop, forza horizon, howgarts, last of us

@Rizzlas Жыл бұрын

@@95928225 yeah but i'm doing a lot of render on adobe premiere and loosing cuda acceleration is not possible

@simon89oi 8 ай бұрын

@@Rizzlas 2080ti should fit your needs than

@RFLCPTR Жыл бұрын

VRAM usage and how much is reserved by the game adjusts to the amount of VRAM present on your GPU. You would notice that when testing with an actual 4 GB VRAM card, instead of using a 24 GB VRAM card...

@buggiesindustries7550 Жыл бұрын

Definitely an interesting video, thanks for making it!

@projectc1rca048 Жыл бұрын

LOL! When you said VRAM - Magedon I literally laughed out loud, love it. Only @Tech Yes City man. I imagine with all these latest and greatest AAA titles raising the minimum pc requirements to run their games, especially the games that will be using Unreal Engine 5, 12gb of vram will be the new minimum/standard. Of course it will depend on the resolution and settings people play at. Great topic for a video and appreciate all the hard work my guy. Keep up the great Tech Yes City content.

@Hostile2430 Жыл бұрын

I upgraded my GPU to 1660Super 6GB only recently and i already feel outdated trying to run some current games at high settings i exceed or consume most of my Vram and suffer from stuttering. Crazy to think just a few years ago 8GB vram was considered overkill and now its becoming bare minimum requirements to run most modern AAA titles at acceptable framerates.

@zicksee0 6 ай бұрын

dawg 1660 super isn’t meant to run games at high settings lol.

@Mythpathz Жыл бұрын

Sir I have questions do you think triple a game's like Star Wars Survivor and Dead Island 2 which minimum specs start with i7 and 1070ti can work for i5 and 1050ti specs or not ?

@SolelyAndriy Жыл бұрын

Interesting results 👍 I guess it would be useful to do those tests for 2K as well. The reason is that DLSS is quite good at upscaling and antialiasing from 2K to 4K so there is a sense to enable it, especially with a high refresh rate monitor.

@telekarma Жыл бұрын

Devs can use more hardware resources with new/current gen only titles and this is what we get. From what I've seen 4k ultra and 1080p ultra VRAM usage delta isn't too big, about 1-2GB difference. That doesn't bode well for lower VRAM cards even if they are otherwise fast enough.

@YouOnlyLiveOnce... Жыл бұрын

Good data. Please include 1440p settings next time.

@AWAONE07 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your video, it really helps me !! Greetings from Argentina, hope seeing more content

@cajuudoido Жыл бұрын

The important thing is if the share memory + dedicated usage surpass the amount of vram of your card you very likely to have issues. Some games uses a lot of shared memory, ie ram, even not fully utilizing all available vram. So is not only about checking if it using a low amount of shared memory, to determine if you're out vram, but the sum of shared + dedicated.

@kasmidjan Жыл бұрын

Ngreedia can Pay their investors with Cheap Leather jackets If they keep stingy with VRAM

@f.ferenc88 Жыл бұрын

1080p then 4k? Where the fucks 1440p ??? That is todays golden standard....

@Thehughesgaming Жыл бұрын

How much of a difference does 1440p make compared to 4k? Since I’m looking for 1440p ultra with Ray tracing

@techclub8528 Жыл бұрын

I would like to see a comparison for when you hit that VRAM limit the difference in stutter/ performance between Sata SSD or NVME GEN 2 vs GEN 3 VS GEN 4 and how improving SSD speed performance could help reduce problems when the graphics card needs to go back to storage to load more assets.

@DJ_Dopamine Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Also what magnitude of difference the main system memory configuration makes to all this. (Memory speed/number of channels/timings/etc.) Also, if putting Windows/OS on one SSD with the games on another SSD helps much. I do this myself, but I have never actually measured the difference.

@bledboost Жыл бұрын

There is still one way to play all the latest games even with 4GB of VRAM. Just play at 720P! In many cases you will get a better experience playing at 720P High than 1080P Low. This is especially true on gaming laptops since the screen is smaller so the difference in resolution is less noticeable.

@roadrash2005 Жыл бұрын

I have a 4K tv, I can’t go backwards lol I tried it was painful

@sololoquy3783 Жыл бұрын

but you effectively gimped your card at that point... so yay nvidia!

@bledboost Жыл бұрын

@@InnerFury666 Well you wouldn't need to play pixelart games or even the average game at 720P because they don't have high VRAM requirements. I'm talking about the latest high end games that choke when you don't have enough VRAM. I'm just saying 720P is still an option to make those games very playable.

@jqwright28 Жыл бұрын

I'd say you're right about games being designed for 4k and then scaled down. Also games like TLOU remake that are next gen ps5 only titles, probably also are designed for 16gb of unified system memory or whatever it's called, so they probably will run best on anything that can give them 12-13gb on the gpu.

@gozutheDJ Жыл бұрын

ALL games have been this way for a while. doom 3 had a level for the maximum quality, uncompressed textures and then all the lower quality settings were scaled down from there. that's why games don't look like literal mud on low settings these days.

@HardwareAccent Жыл бұрын

Can you test Resident Evil 4R at max settings, please? Does it really use over 16GB?

@mahnkemachine3281 Жыл бұрын

Would have been nice to see a 1080p high for comparison. I mean, at this point in time, with this setup, who is going to play @1080p low settings? Also a RT @1080p ultra would have been nice.

@ChiekoGamers Жыл бұрын

I'm still enjoying video games at 1080p high settings. I don't see the point of Ultra graphics.

@RobertJianu Жыл бұрын

I still run 4GB VRAM, both on my gtx 1050ti PC and my rtx 3050ti laptop. The 3050 has decent performance (like a watercooled and overclocked gtx 1070 desktop that a friend of mine has) but the lack of vram is starting to show. At least I don't game that much anymore. My next gpu will probably be from AMD tho

@Verpal Жыл бұрын

Ampere desktop is suffering from botherline insufficient VRAM already, and yet for some reason NVIDIA decided to squeeze the low end ampere laptop even harder, people who buy low end stuff need it to last longer, yet NVIDIA decided to screw them in particular.

@sergeleon1163 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was on GTX 1050ti and the 4GB really started to limit me, I upgraded this week for €250 to a RTX 3070 8GB and even when on specific games like here shown could be limited I will drop down settings as I'm aware of this 8GB can be hampering (in the future), while many games it will still be okay. But when on a budget both NVIDIA and AMD are playing gamers for too high prices and forgetting about people on a budget.

@Killersnake432 Жыл бұрын

I upgraded last month from a 1050ti to a RTX 3060. I was GPU and vram limited now I can play stuff I used to play far better and have the vram space for games like RE4 Remake that I can do crazy high settings with. I would had gone for 3060ti but that 8GB vram buffer turned me away from it.

@TechHarmonic Жыл бұрын

I remember briefly having a 3050 ti laptop and it got on my nerves fast. Even with older games, maxing them out at higher resolutions I would get horrible frame drops because of the vram running out. I returned the Legion s7 since it was $1k and it felt super overpriced for that performance.

@RobertJianu Жыл бұрын

@@TechHarmonic damn, I know how it feels. The 3050ti is decent for 1080p even with most recent games. You can't go higher than 1080p or bump the graphics too high because the vram will make your experience horrible. I kept it because I needed portability and the good part is that I got it for around 500$ at the time and it has a Ryzen 7 5800H, 16gb ram, 512gb nvme ssd and a 10 bit 165hz display. It's pretty good for my not so demanding games (FH5, RDR 2, God of War, Sons of the forest etc) and media creation (mostly editing in Photoshop since the screen has excelent colors, Sony Vegas and making documents) but I wouldn't recommend this GPU for a true gamer, 4gb vram is just unacceptable. Always aim for at least a xx60 series card since they age pretty good or just go with AMD (lower prices and higher vram than nvidia)

@leandroperalta Жыл бұрын

Have you tried Atlas OS (Windows de-bloater)? Keen to know your thoughts.

@2roly2 Жыл бұрын

I got a 6750XT paired with a 5900X along with 32GB of ram . I do believe my 6750XT is 12GB . Now will Smart Access Memory help ?

@Cogglesz Жыл бұрын

I'm rocking 8gb on my 3060ti, performance is fantastic for the price. Noticed my only cap seems to be 4K, Doom Eternal with ultra Nightmare texture pooling (everything else can be 1440p Ultra Nightmare), Forza 5 Eats it all up despite being able to run 120 v-synced. Game would pause and complain of low bandwidth (Much more than the Series X funny enough) I've wanted to just play at 60 with higher geometry to match the X. Turns out i''ll always bump into this issue, It's annoying my 64gb of ram is basically doing nothing. (Last of us managed to get 21GB of usaged though so gg's) Honestly i think 12gb is the new 8gb card. Midranged Vram amount seems to be inflating like our currencies. I feel some blame on porting has to be stated. RE4 medium textures are worse than PS4 somehow and it'l eat up a 8gb card happily. It's kinda sad when you've a lot of Resources but what holds you back is 8gb of Vram? Call me a boomer but i always felt 8 would be perfect for gaming, In the past we only really seen 12+ in professional cards only a few years back.

@Toulkun 10 ай бұрын

It comes down to trash optimizations too

@IamMarkSmith Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, Nvidia is using tech like DLSS to be able to pinch on their physical hardware specs to not only charge more relative to the mindshare they have in the GPU market, but increase their profit margins all around. AMD is the closest they have ever been as competition to Nvidia with their current crop of RDNA 3 cards. If they can get the price to performance right on the forthcoming 7800 and 7700 models we will see them make inroads into Nvidia’s market share. We all win when there’s competition in the marketplace. I’m not a fanboy of either company, but I am a fanboy of better value for my money.

@Chris_94 Жыл бұрын

With 6gb of vram being the minimum for how much longer will the 3060 mobile be useable for at 1080p and 1440p with ray tracing off and dlss on?

@jimbodee4043 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the 1080p might be triple buffering whilst the 4k may be only double buffering thus accounting for the smaller difference in vram usage.

@prosecanlik4296 Жыл бұрын

This is ONLY for those singleplayer titles, where you only aim for 60 fps at high or ultra at 1080p or higher. I usually don't play those games, only multiplayer shooters, esports like CSGO, so for me, 8gb vram would do just fine. Planning to get RX 6600 for that matter

@danielkowalski7527 Жыл бұрын

rx6600 undervolted eats only 80w ^^ Idk why but colours are way better on rx6600 than my old 1650

@prosecanlik4296 Жыл бұрын

@@danielkowalski7527 will try to undervolt it if I get it one day

@WTBMrGrey Жыл бұрын

Nvidia is charging top dollar for their products, pushing DLS,RTX,A.I,reflex etc but skimping on Vram. The RX 470 came with 8gb vram and how old is that now?

@Kryptic1046 Жыл бұрын

It's a pretty counterintuitive thing Nvidia is pushing. On the one hand, they really want to sell you resource-intensive features like raytracing/path tracing but then they don't want to give you enough VRAM in the mid-range to actually use it along with decent textures. DLSS can only do so much. In the near future, you'll probably have to choose between either having high textures with RT off or lower textures with RT on. You simply won't get to do both due to VRAM constraints in newer games.

@NostalgicMem0ries Жыл бұрын

wanna compare 3060 3070 performance vs rx470?

@WTBMrGrey Жыл бұрын

@@NostalgicMem0ries well obviously the 3060/3070 are a lot more powerfull. There is the point though. The 3070 is a decent 1440 GPU, but it only has 8gb vram which is pathetic. Even the 3060 has 12gb.

@mikeymaiku Жыл бұрын

@@WTBMrGrey i guess you dont understand "why" it had 12gb

@mr.ihabissa8442 Жыл бұрын

@@WTBMrGrey 3060 has 12GB Vram beacuse of it's 128bit bus ,they can do either 6 or 12 not 8 .. Regardless the 3060 is a shit card even on 1080p vs 3060ti/ 3070.

@FauziFayyad Жыл бұрын

Keep the good work 👍🏻

@MozartificeR Жыл бұрын

Can you do 1440p? I wonder if there are any surprises there at 12gig, or 8gig?

@buda3d2007 Жыл бұрын

I use Blender where Vram is king on larger scene files, once you run out of vram your card might as well be the equivalent of a great sports car spinning its tyres working 10 times as hard to get the job done when it would only need to do it once had it had more vram.

@furynotes Жыл бұрын

Even with character portraits 12gb is recommended.

@HairyScrambler Жыл бұрын

I think for the vast majority of games worth playing 4 GB will hold up for the near future, as long as devs can optimize their games. It’d a shame the 1060 3 GB is already starting to become unplayable 1080p in games like 2042.

@nine0ten771 Жыл бұрын

Hey Brian, do you think the 4090 uses less vram because it is faster than the 7900?

@YoStu242 Жыл бұрын

The same formula seems to apply in software development as in life in general, that if there is space in the apartment, it is lazily allowed to fill up with junk and you don't bother to clean it, let alone think about whether you even need all that junk

@trr4gfreddrtgf Жыл бұрын

I don't think 12gbs is going to last long at all, I wouldn't be surprised if it runs out in 2 years or so. I think 16gbs is a much safer bet, most people want their GPUs to last 4-5 years and 16gbs should do that just fine.

@paranikumarlpk Жыл бұрын

Ye 16gb for 1440p and 20gb for 4k is fine for 2 to 3yrs ... I really hate the 308010g for these latest games .. it sucks even for 1440p but still ppl argue 8gb is enough for 1440p for 5more yrs lol and they mindlessly support the greedy nvidia.. they don't understand the quality of high Textures and its impact of vram .. how can they expect the top quality visuals to run on the potato gpus with 12gb or below vram

@bigturkey1 Жыл бұрын

12gbvram should last you until they start porting ps6 games

@pdmerritt Жыл бұрын

it doesn't matter all that much imho. If you're like me and coming from a 1070ti even the 4070 would be a huge uplift. If it only lasted for 2yrs because of vram issues...I could sell the card with 1yr of warranty on it (so for a decent price) and buy from the newer generation that would, hopefully, have a better price performance ratio than this disappointing generation.

@trr4gfreddrtgf Жыл бұрын

@@pdmerritt True, I don't think warranties carry over if you sell them used though. Pretty sure it's for the original owner only, might be wrong though.

@pdmerritt Жыл бұрын

@@trr4gfreddrtgf how would anyone know? Even if I purchased with a credit card and my name is on the reciept...all the person would have to say is that it was a gift. I also don't have to register for the warranty.....the reciept will suffice.

@stratuvarious8547 Жыл бұрын

I know I didn't spend hundreds on a new GPU to play at low settings, which is why I bought a RX 6900 XT. Reasonable price, 16 GB of VRam, it was the best choice in my price range.

@lilsus3125 Жыл бұрын

very helpful video thank u god bless

@Geeklydriven Жыл бұрын

Vega 56/64 has the option to share the systems ram, which was pretty cool. You had the option to give it an extra 4gbs if you so desire..

@furynotes Жыл бұрын

If you had the that 16gb radeon 7. That would have been the killer deal.

@barrysloas277 Жыл бұрын

1 % of gamers are playing at 4k. Where are the 1440 stats that more people are gaming at

@Willbme4EVA Жыл бұрын

The gamer side of me really does not want to see grass swaying in the wind, I want to look at my opponents from a distance, before they see me. Take that shot and move on. The only time I would like to see a shadow is when an opponent is on the roof and casts a shadow on the ground outside. Higher HZ, not the p's or K's is my thing.

@nukedathlonman Жыл бұрын

I was thinking most games would be optimized for 2K these days... Now I know it's only a snap shot, and the accuracy has been called into question numerous times, but Steam's hardware survey does indicate 1080 is the most common resolution and it's on a very slow decline, with the next large chuck being 1440 and growing very strong.

@nukedathlonman Жыл бұрын

@El Cactuar No, 2K is 2560x1440

@nukedathlonman Жыл бұрын

@El Cactuar 1080 is HD (or as some companies call it "FHD")

@nukedathlonman Жыл бұрын

@El Cactuar Oh, you're going by cinema resolution for the 2K labeling. Monitor manufacturer's will use QHD or 2K to describe 2560x1440.

@nukedathlonman Жыл бұрын

@El Cactuar No, that's HD... Or FHD if you're going by manufacturers since they insist on calling 720 "HD"

@pf100andahalf Жыл бұрын

Good observation about textures being made for 4k in newer games and then you turn them down for lower resolutions, which would explain the high vram usage.

@puddingfoot Жыл бұрын

Does AMD plan to add features like Nvidia's VSR? Nvidia's low-ram cards are less and less appealing, but the video super resoltion feature for VLC/chrome/edge is just too juicy for me to ignore. Does AMD offer similar features or is it in the works? I'd go with AMD in a heartbeat if so. Nvidia requires the 3070 for the highest level (setting level 4) of Video Super Resolution. However, some 3060ti users report using VSR at level 4 without issues. Do you have an opinion on this? Maybe the technology is too young.

@HyperBawl Жыл бұрын

Amazing content as always ! I'm sure my 6700xt will last loooooong

@MinosML Жыл бұрын

Bryan yet again listening to what the community is preoccupied with and giving us a banger video with tons of useful info! Hope to see more vids on this subject so people buying GPUs at this point in time are aware of the compromises they'll have to make with lower amounts of VRAM. Devs are definitely focusing more and more on the current Consoles/4K and it shows. Thank again for the quality content!

@Willbme4EVA Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, more, more, more. Just one vid can not hit the full spectrum. But he does try to jam allot in this vid. Tech Yes City Series pls

@Sky_ray Жыл бұрын

You can you do 1440P high->low + RT/DLSS?

@hrayz Жыл бұрын

How do you get VRAM Utilization, vs Allocation, to show?

@darkkillex7220 Жыл бұрын

I've definitely noticed the VRAM on my 3080 10G being a limiting factor in quite a few games recently...

@greenbow7888 Жыл бұрын

The 3080 10GB card could not even run Far Cry 6 HD textures, within a month of the 3080 release.

@thomassmith9362 Жыл бұрын

Well it is now almost 3 years old, you shouldn’t be expecting to max out games on it. I’m going on along nicely with that card, 1440p@high on the last of us works great.

@Bos_Meong Жыл бұрын

try to run msi afterburner and see if your vram is actually eating up or not, dont just "noticed" lmao

@kaythree8302 Жыл бұрын

@@Bos_Meong any decently competent person would assume that’s what he meant by “noticed”.

@Bos_Meong Жыл бұрын

@@kaythree8302 decently competent? Thats my line for you. I bet 100% was just placebo, he was just assuming and not really tested it out himself. Because me rn running cyberpunk at overdrive and it only eat 9Gb of ram hows this a limiting factor? Also 3080 cant do overdrive anyway so at ultra its gonna consume far less vram, probably 7gb. Maybe he was playing trash of us, which is a badly optimized game

@destrike702 Жыл бұрын

Currently have a RX 6600 8gb, can run the games on mid to high and quite happy on the performance.

@SlowHardware Жыл бұрын

I just sold my 6600 xt and bought a radeon vii, similar performance just 16gb vram. I did it because I got the radeon vii for $250 nzd 😅 sold the 6600 xt for $350 nzd

@destrike702 Жыл бұрын

@@SlowHardware I hope i can find that on the same price, in my country, even the 2nd hand gpu market is overpriced.

@SlowHardware Жыл бұрын

@destrike702 oh for sure it's usually way over priced for what it is. I just started bidding and got a good deal :) I'd just save a search on a couple sites and check occasionally and one may show up cheap :)

@evilleader1991 Жыл бұрын

@@SlowHardware What about power draw

@SlowHardware Жыл бұрын

@@evilleader1991 I have a 1000w psu it's fine

@AndyBarber1981 Жыл бұрын

I was on warzone yesterday ,play on a ultrawide 3440x1440 put the game to extreme on Al-mazrah to see what my 4070 performance was like and it hit 11.2gb Vram

@whatistruth101 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I never paid much attention to vram, didn't even add it to msi afterburner , my card is a 2080ftw3 8gb

@tomtomkowski7653 Жыл бұрын

We have had 8GB for so long that I would say it is obsolete. I mean, would you buy a new $400 GPU like the 4060ti and be already forced to lower settings at 1080p? 12GB very soon will be the standard for 1080p gaming and if you want 1440p with RayTracing then you should have 16GB which should be the standard right now. 12GB should be a standard for sub $500 GPUs and 16GB should be a standard for GPUs for more than $500 and 8GB should be some entry-level cards for sub $150.

@klanas40 Жыл бұрын

It should, but it doesn't mean that will happen soon.

@brettlawrence9015 Жыл бұрын

Yeah buying a brand new gpu for the current prices and having to reduce settings is a joke. At 4k I could understand but not 1080p 1440p.

@Willbme4EVA Жыл бұрын

if we are makeing requests to GPU makers that says allot. They do not seem to be listening. But if they are? Give me a supplemental plug and play alternative for Vram. Preferably a slot stuffer for Xmas.

@bigturkey1 Жыл бұрын

12gbvram should last you until they start porting ps6 games

@brettlawrence9015 Жыл бұрын

@@bigturkey1 depends if you want ultra settings then no. 12gb will be for medium to high settings.

@ruxandy Жыл бұрын

Great video! I would say that 12 GB VRAM at 1440p should be more than enough for the foreseeable future. I mean, sure, in the next couple of years there will probably be a new game which might require more than that for the absolute Ultra settings (Ultra textures, in particular), but I don't think we'll see a game where 12 GB of VRAM is unusable for High details anytime soon (it might happen when the next-gen consoles come out, but that's still a long way from happening). I for one have played The Last of Us with Ultra details @ 1440p on a Ryzen 7 5800X3D + RTX 4070Ti, and the experience has been absolutely flawless (had no crashes, and no stutters -> 65+ FPS for the 1% lows). So if this game runs great (and, as we all know, this title is the 'best' example of poor optimization), then I am not worried at all for the next 2 - 3 years. Fun fact: I've actually also played TLoU (in its entirety) on my backup PC, with an RTX 2060 @ 1080p/High details, and the experience, while not flawless, it still wasn't bad at all and very playable (and I didn't experience any crashes with this card either - must've been very lucky). On the other hand, 8 GB of VRAM is a whole different discussion. There were multiple signs throughout the past few years that... yeah, 8 GB VRAM wasn't gonna cut it anymore (especially considering the fact that new consoles came with 16 GB of unified memory). It's unfortunate that a lot of people did not listen and, even worse, they ended up spending 800+ euros for RTX 3070s and other cards like these.

@itsmorbintime6833 Жыл бұрын

Do you think 12gb vram will be enough for 1080p for a long time?

@RuslanDoman 10 ай бұрын

@@itsmorbintime6833 ?

@RuslanDoman 10 ай бұрын

@yussef961 Жыл бұрын

hi thx for the video, i will have soon a laptop with 8gb of vram , rtx 3070 and hesitated a bit because i wasn't sure for 1080p low etc sure i want to crank up as max as possible but i had the laptop for 950 euros second hand amazon so... not too shabby (with 32 gb of ram and a 5900hx) if i wanted one with 16gb would be much more expensive... also i will use it on hollidays on my main pc i have a rtx 4080 so good

@denvera1g1 Жыл бұрын

What i find weird is that at 4K high, you'd expect the VRAM to be more than 4x that of 1080p low, because bare minimum 4K is 4x the pixels of 1080p, so either only some of those textures are 4k, or they arent taking full advantage of the 4K resolution Edit, in the old days, 4K settings werent really 4K so instead of 4x the VRAM and 1/4th the performance, it was usually only 2x VRAM and 1/2 performance. My best example is my 4K60 TV and GTX 1080, dropping it down to 1080p120, running it at 60 or 120, it did not quadrouple FPS, and did not cut the RAM usage as much as i thought it would in games like Battlefield 4

@Johnithinuioian Жыл бұрын

"Hey, if it looks like it could be 4k, then I'm pretty sure that the average person will take it as 4k!🤑" ... "So, I paid 4k worth of money, but it's not actually 4k?🤬"

@denvera1g1 Жыл бұрын

@@Johnithinuioian "I miss the point, game devs are going back to the old ways of dumbing down the graphics now that cards dont have enough VRAM, and i just didnt get the joke"

@danieljayasiri7739 Жыл бұрын

Upgraded my old 6600k platform but still holding onto my 1080ti from evga 😅 upgrading soon but this time I'll probably go amd and take up the Sam as I've upgraded to ryzen 7 anyway... ❤ for all the 1080ti users still holding on

@firexz4185 Жыл бұрын

I believe you shouldn't upgrade your gpu now cuz this 40 gen or 7000 Gen are horrible

@blinksone2768 Жыл бұрын

@@firexz4185 7000 is decent.

@Willbme4EVA Жыл бұрын

1080 ti is no joke, its really hard to upgrade without selling a great, great, grandchild at a -10% loss.

@danieljayasiri7739 Жыл бұрын

@Willbme4EVA it's even harder when you plan on passing it down to your kid and you need to part with >1.5k nzd for your next gpu 😆

@firexz4185 Жыл бұрын

@@blinksone2768 for the price they are not worth it

@fVNzO Жыл бұрын

I think it's important to note that these figures are indicative of what game developers *tolerate* in order to make their games work on popular graphics cards. Had the average been higher (Nvidia spending 20 bucks more on their GPU's etc.) games would indeed look better, grander or load quicker - and more vram would be needed. The mere second the average VRAM count goes up to 16+ game devs will just eat it up as they can finally make more intricate game environments. So, as data points these are fun benchmarks to run but they are ultimately a product of the limitations involved with producing software for customers who have been well frankly scammed for the past 6 years with no discernible increase in graphics VRAM in the mid range.

@TheAkashicTraveller Жыл бұрын

Except's not what we're seeing. They're clearly targeting the consoles and ngreedia just isn't keeping up.

@soniofficial6017 Жыл бұрын

@@TheAkashicTraveller 😂😂😂

@arenzricodexd4409 Жыл бұрын

@@TheAkashicTraveller the issue on PC is those ultra (plus RT) what makes people think 8GB and 12GB no longer enough because console have 16GB. but console most often only use what equals to medium on PC. in reality developer on console most likely did not use most of the memory on VRAM like many people think it was. game like returnal for example the developer want 120FPS. so they actually render the game at 1080p and then using their own upscaled tech to upscaled the final image result to 4k. game like spiderman the ray tracing reflection are rendered at 1080p instead of 4k. and in some comparison the reflection on water puddle are being completely disabled on console.

@fVNzO Жыл бұрын

@@TheAkashicTraveller This is exactly what we are seeing. Consoles are proving my arguments. The PS5 spends 16B of shared memory with a basically infinitely large cache behind it right - it's the cheapest way to just give developers more VRAM. And they've been completely hamstrung on desktop since nvidia just decided to stop at pascal. This video is showing you that usage is around 12GB max for a lot of games, that is telling you precisely that developers are completely stuck and they have little ability to give us better games when there is no standard way to cache more data like on consoles.

@LeegallyBliindLOL Жыл бұрын

What is up with all these comments claiming Apples to apples comparisons with consoles. A) the PS5 for example uses GDDR6. B) Quite a bit of it is reserved.

@DamienRamirez Жыл бұрын

I did a post & a talk on this subject recently so interesting to see it being picked up by more KZfaqrs. There is more like how much we cut from games Vs what currently people want from games, RVT & 4K-8K-16K textures (Also why we don't need them VS why we want them). Then Into DLSS the good & bad. Then into Resize bar on & off the ram/V-ram swapping of load. Then the "future proofing" amount because current performance can handle it enough (Even though nvidia drivers have been bad this year since p state fix). Obviously I'm not going to type the talk out again, But there is much more than just this.

@amidk75 Жыл бұрын

how to set vram utilisation in afterburner? didn't seen any variables for that...

@benjaminmaher8896 Жыл бұрын

My 1070 is still pushing but not for long I feel like with the trend games are adopting of being wildly unoptimized

@necuz Жыл бұрын

Much better VRAM management than what these games are doing is possible on more recent hardware, but PC is lagging behind the upgrade cycle a lot for obvious reasons. Using a DX12 Ultimate feature called Sampler Feedback you can figure out which parts of which textures need to be loaded at what quality in order to render a scene, this would massively cut down on VRAM usage especially in open world games. That could further be combined with DirectStorage 1.1 to quickly load textures on demand. The kicker is you then need to set your minimum requirements to RDNA2 or Turing, since that was when support for these was introduced. That would be a bold move, but I do wonder how many of the people still rocking their old 1060 are actually buying $70 AAA releases in 2023?

@arenzricodexd4409 Жыл бұрын

AFAIK RDNA 1 did not even support any DX12 ultimate feature.

@necuz Жыл бұрын

@@arenzricodexd4409 Ack, you're right. For some reason had the impression RDNA1 also had rudimentary support for this.

@MrMeanh Жыл бұрын

The issue is that DirectStorage 1.1 will increase the load on the GPU (asset decompression done by the GPU etc.), this will 100% reduce the available compute for rendering the game. From what I've heard it's something like at least a 10-20% performance hit if you want to use DS+Sampler Feedback while rendering the game. This all means that I'm sceptical of Sampler Feedback being a good solution for reducing VRAM usage at the moment.

@necuz Жыл бұрын

@@MrMeanh It certainly isn't going to be free, however 20% sounds more like a situation like trying to run TLoU at Ultra on a 8 GB card where you're constantly running out of memory. So the question becomes, would you rather have smooth 20% less fps or the current stuttery mess? Additionally, almost all of the usual suspects among released games that have triggered this debate struggle to be GPU bound, so in many cases it might actually end up being essentially free...

@basbas63 Жыл бұрын

Think there is a big chance optimization for current gen consoles is making this issue happen. Given they have predictable data streaming speed they can make the available memory much further than would be realistic in a PC with swapping stuff in and out of memory. On PC it is not possible to predict what storage speeds people are using. With last gen consoles the slow hard drive kept this in check for the PC space, however, with the storage and memory speeds & architecture of current gen systems.. Think, as far as I know, that we in sense either need minimum storage speed requirements or massive VRAM buffers if we want to keep using SATA for storage on which games are installed. Or, developers should take PC limitations into considerations regarding the design of their game.

@TheFutureTech Жыл бұрын

Can you look into ultrawide (32:9/10) 4K/5K?

@TheSleppy Жыл бұрын

I think if this type of test was done for longer example 10 minutes of play vs 30 minutes etc, the VRAM utilization would be even higher. Sometimes a 5 minute benchmark doesn't give the whole story. I agree overall that 12GB is the new minimum, great video.

@mnemonic8757 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I don't think everyone has time for such tests. I remember the FFXV open world game. With the best textures, it ran smoothly right after turning on, but when you drove around the land and visited a city, the vram got clogged. I think this problem can occur in other titles, especially with open world, where you have to load a huge amount of data.

@greggmacdonald9644 Жыл бұрын

Hardware Unboxed addressed this recently, their vid about this is well worth watching. I agree that 12GB is a new minimum, and I'd also say that 16GB is better.

@RicochetForce Жыл бұрын

@@greggmacdonald9644 Yeah, I'd say 16GB is what mid range cards should have. 8GB VRAM is stone dead and 16GB of system RAM is much the same.

@ABaumstumpf Жыл бұрын

With VRam it also heavily depends on the engine and the game it self how they treat it. Some engines by default just try to keep more stuff in memory if more is available, some games (Hogwarts, lastOfUs) just waste memory left right and center. Some games dynamically adjust LoD to stay without memory. Hogwarts can be run on a GTX 970 with medium-settings 1080p - just not with how the game is delivered. They really need to fix that crap when even the community has already fixed that with mods.

@winebartender6653 Жыл бұрын

"Fixed with mods" lmfao no. The only thing any of those mods, that even "worked", did was adjust the culling distance, which made texture pop in and texture resolution hilariously bad. Let's also stop pretending that they are "hogs" when they are developed with a vram buffer of 12gb for consoles. And the reality of the situation is that you shouldn't be limited by vram, you should be limited by the chips performance to then adjust settings that fit your fps needs. You shouldn't need to crank down settings because your vram buffer is too small.

@ABaumstumpf Жыл бұрын

@@winebartender6653 ""Fixed with mods" lmfao no. The only thing any of those mods, that even "worked", did was adjust the culling distance, which made texture pop in and texture resolution hilariously bad." nah, people have shown that the game keep full resolution textures loaded for background objects that are only rendered at lowest LoD. "Let's also stop pretending that they are "hogs" when they are developed with a vram buffer of 12gb for consoles. " aka - "we know it runs with 12 GB so just cram in everything even if that degrades performance on all hardware cause it still runs okish". "You shouldn't need to crank down settings because your vram buffer is too small." And you shouldn't need to crank down settings cause a tree 760 meters away rendered at lowest LoD is using more Vram than an NPC standing right next to your character.

@therealomartron 8 ай бұрын

Do you think 4060ti 16GB would be worth it ?

@ryanhines293 Жыл бұрын

Love to see a video comparing a xeon e5-1650v4 in a hp z440 and quad channel server ram with a gtx 1080 ti vs the ryzen 5 5600 using a rtx 3060 12gb and using with and without fsr. Brian, my man! You are the price to performance king on the used market and cravin that content!