Thanks for the kind words MP. I try my best with the follow ups and questions. It's something a lot of other cycling media don't do. Wahoo Megan posted some great news about what they've found with the CORE in regards to the overshoot. I'll post an update as soon as I've tested it out and collected the data.

I bet the peddles are undershooting. How could the kickr core be early? It can't predict that he is about the sprint. On the otherhand, the pedals show some lag or hysteresis, which is typical of a strain gauge. I'll be the Kikr is right and the peddles are overly smoothed and possibly showing hysteresis. Hard to know though.

Or get your own metal rods, drill a hole in them, install them and done deal. No warranty void

@@jubilantyogurt good call :D

I see the same thing on my Hammer vs my other power meters. I wonder if the overshoots are the same at high flywheel speed / lower resistance vs low flywheel speed / high resistance.

Interesting. That may be the case and could be while both Ray and Shane think this could be addressed with firmware.

...and presumably has the side-benefit of keeping your warranty intact! ;-)

Mind: blown. What is this witchcraft?

www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/09/04/uci-insist-testing-mechanical-fraud-highly-effective-doubts/

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Me too, because I hesitate between these 2 models...

DCrainmaker says the CORE has a better road feel and is more silent.

Yes, but over here on the cloudy ugly east coast, the news tells us you guys are either flooding or on fire 150 days a year. ;)

@@ryaandnice More like 300 days a year

Although after living in New England for 42 years, I don't miss the rain, snow and winter.

Mentioned a number of times in other videos. The issue wasn’t encountered when I made this video, and there’s no editing for videos allowed here on KZfaq. I’ve even been sent abusive messages over this one..... when I have zero control over the process.

@@gplama ah sorry i didnt know. i hate to hear you're receiving such messages when you're only trying to help educate consumers. i always appreciate your videos.

Not an issue on a stable surface.

I tried to buy this trainer all last year to replace my Saris M2 wheel-on trainer and could never find one in stock. This week my local REI had 4, yes FOUR Kickr Cores in stock! So I picked one up. I noticed the asymmetrical aspect immediately with how the bike lined up on my trainer mat. But other than the aesthetics, it doesn't seem to affect it physically. You will just need to line the trainer up about 3-4 inches to the left (non-driveside of bike) of center on the mat, so that the bike ends up centered on the mat when riding.

You can see what is in the box at 3:08 of the video and there is no cassette and no cadence sensor.

Mentioned a few times in the video.

Shane Miller - GPLama sorry didn’t give my full attention nearly always watch utube while doing other things.Always look forward to your new vids this one I clicked on while stuffing my face with the unhealthy option in the works canteen🤢

I was considering upgrading from Snap to Core, but for the difference (selling the snap and buying the Core) I could get some Assioma pedals. That feels like a better investment to me and the Snap has been faultless.

I have been waiting for people to start asking for quiet freehubs. The trainers are well and quiet now, but it's funny when you coast and it's significantly more loud. There are several designs of quiet and near silent freehub designs. I expect the next gen of trainers will include some version of these to address the final big source of noise. I still find it funny that it has taken this long to be recognized.

I'm not sure about compatibility there. Maybe pack it with grease?

I just got my Kickr Core today and I was pleasantly surprised to find, that the freehub is absolutely silent. In this video it’s sounds really loud. Early production model maybe? Did they address this issue already? It’s awesome now, completely silent freewheeling.

That is very cool. I am curious to hear confirmation on this and if the Kickr 2018 gets similar treatment. It is only natural to make the freehub mechanism quiet as well, in the effort to making the trainer as quiet as possible.

Pack it with grease, job done! :)

I do like the Neo but is trainer noise really an issue? Drive trains and fans are noisier than most smart trainers these days. Especially if you're running a large industrial fan for cooling.

dan110024 Noise is definitely a problem for those of us who live in apartment buildings with other people below them. However, the issue is not as simple as just measuring and comparing the sound intensity of various setups (number of dBs). Turns out that, depending on pitch and other characteristics, some type of noise is perceptibly more annoying than others, even at the same intensity. Also certain frequencies get attenuated by the mat and the floor much better than others. There has been some research trying to measure the annoyance factor of such noise. IRC, the study I read determined that vibrations around 10Hz are one such peak. This was one of the reasons why I had to give up on my Kickr Snap -- Wahoo's manufacturing tolerances are not great for these units and their rollers are typically slightly off-round. At the typical speeds I was riding, that caused vibrations at around 14Hz -- close enough. Even though this model of trainers is otherwise super quiet, the vibrations were too much for any mat I threw at them and the people who live below. It got to a point where I had to decide b/w the trainer and moving. Many people also find the high-pitch "whining" of the early Kickr models intolerable. The noise from the Neo, the drive train, fans, A/Cs, etc, is at much different frequencies and is generally closer to brown noise. Not only is it less annoying but some people can't sleep without a pink/brown noise machine. But bottom line: with Kickr Snap my neighbors complained (hell, I complained); with the Neo live is happy for everyone.

One for Wahoo or Canyon Support. I know there are a few of their bikes on the 'not compatible' list.

The CORE has the edge over the Direto in terms of braking strength (so better in ERG with different flywheel speeds). The CORE is a little quieter. The Direto has better power accuracy at this point.

That's assuming the gauges only register in one direction. That's not the case in my experience. As for how they calculate total power based on what I'd call negative forces on the upstroke, that's an interesting question. One I don't have a quick answer to.

The NX is a HyperGlide cassette, so will fit onto a standard Shimano/SRAM freehub. If that's compatible with the groupset you're running, that'll work. Maybe check with a local bike shop mechanic first to be 100%.

It's a little awkward to move. Not as easy as a Kickr with the handle. Space wise..... it folds and stands to about 1/3 of the space length wise. I'd need to measure it for a specific answer.

Yep, that can work well for some setups.

Close, when released this was true. Since release their has been a firmware update where cadence is also included. As such if you are using it with zwift (for instance) you can connect it as a controllable trainer, cadence sensor, and power meter (all three at once) and then just need to provide a heart rate monitor if you wish for heart rate data. Shane has more videos on Zwift specifically, great resource. He also just released a zwift basics video from my understanding if that's the software you wish to use.

Nice one. Training..... it really depends. Give someone structure to their training, they'll likely improve. As for what structure will get the most improvements... that's the trick most coaches will charge $$$/month to determine.

Shane Miller - GPLama ok cheers. I might just start on the beginning FTP builder. And some casual exploring of Zwift for now 👍🏻.

You need a usb extension cord. It's about $10 on Amazon and it is 3 meters long. Works like a champ.

Lots of questions here. The best thing to do would be to drop into a bike store who sells Wahoo to have a chat to them about all of the above.

I'll have to look at Interbike. I'm not near a CORE at the moment. It's not the same belt as the grooves are 90deg/Vertical.

It's still a very popular trainer. I wouldn't hold out waiting for something new. Now isn't usually the time of year companies release new trainers.

While interesting, it’s not something I encountered or have any influence over.

No. The Wahoo GPS units don't have the option at this time to do power matching like this.

The CORE is a solid option from my perspective.

No. All lines up. There’s shims if you need to align two different ‘hubs’.

First choose which system you want to run Zwift on. Let’s go with the iPad. Download and install the 7 day trial. Start it up, and see it only takes Bluetooth. That’s all you need for the Kickr. You’ll need a Bluetooth HR strap if you want HR, but it’s not essential to get rolling. Test it out and go from there.

'Realistic feel' is the LeMond Revolution. The Kickr flywheel can't be 'tricked' by massive changes in torque. The Neo feels a little lighter/empty in regards to inertia under different conditions. When I can quantify this I will. For now, test ride each if you can.

It depends on your pedal stroke. The cadence from the CORE (with the updated firmware) is fine for me. Using a dedicated cadence sensor is possible.

A lot of people are mentioning the 11spd spacing is the same as Shimano/SRAM. There's not a lot of Campag users out there (I'm not one, this is my take on things, hence why I missed it). It's also likely that Campag owners know the pain of living in a market flooded with Shimano/SRAM and will do this checking to ensure compatibility prior to purchase. It's up to Wahoo to do Wahoo to do the complete and comprehensive sales pitch.

@@gplama I'm a Campy guy with 2 bikes...one with Record 11 speed and the other Record 11 EPS. Both work flawlessly with a 8000 cassette from Shimano and I am picky when it comes to drivetrain noise and shifting.

@@triatheletewolf7279 Perhaps true about 11 speed Campy & Shimano cassette spacing quasi-compatibilty; however, not so for 10 sp Campy cassettes. Although, Elite Drivo & Direto smart trainers and Tacx Neo & Flux do offer Campy compatible cassette hubs.

If you have a thru-axle bike, it has a thru-axle. That's the one you use.

You can if you like. It really doesn't matter if you're on clean power. It will remember the spindown values between power cycles.

Nope. Don’t miss out on good training and more fun by waiting.

I'll assume so. There's nothing getting in the way back there. Maybe check with Wahoo support to be 100%, or visit a local shop with one on the floor to mount your bike first to check.

Sorry, it should have been 'all current bikes'. Drop Wahoo support a query about compatibility.

Ride feel is good. It’s also subjective… best test ride and see if it meets your expectations.

I'd choose in this order: Core, Neo 2, Flux 2.

Maybe. I'm sure there are a few ways to get creative if you live on an angle :)

Best contact Wahoo on this one.

I don't believe the Tacx Desktop App is compatible with non Tacx trainers at this point in time. Tacx Support will be able to confirm this.

Shipping costs? A differentiator? No idea. I don't suspect it'd be duplicated firmware. I'd be similar no doubt.

Yeah, the tool is important. Something like this will be ideal: amzn.to/3cC4d6D

how many gears on your cassette? you might be missing a spacer on the freehub?

Using the Wahoo Fitness mobile app.

It’s a case of whatever you can find at the moment.

Buy locally and from somewhere who has your back should anything go wrong. Online forums always over representing issues. Those who have no issues don’t worry about posting much.. they train and get on about their day.

It shouldn't need a spindown each time. Maybe every few weeks.