I know!

Love her for it.

Why we stan her! 🖤

What cold case did they cause?? 😳

Nevermind I just finished the video

My sides are slain 😂😂🤣🤣🤣👍🏻

That is sick and twisted and you are awesome for it

Alex, you win the internet!

It must be nice, it must be niiice. To have the elements on your side

@@morgangrant3479 I WHEEZED

It did in 1993

@@kevinmcdonald951so far looking at all the child actors whose lives turned out wrong it seems those safeguards aren’t good enough.

@@NA-AN Look up Judith Barsi. Fucking gut-wrenching story.

@@anactualalpaca7016 I get the impression I’m about to have a depressing day, I guess I’ll read about it.

probably don't even remeber making this comment, but congrats on 3 years sobriety!!

I'm also 2 years clean from heroin and meth

i hope you're still doing well now :)

Congratulations! That's amazing ^^

​@@undrwatropium3724 that's amazing too! Congrats (:

oh my god, a caitlin podcast would be a godsend

@@bayani6302 She had one for a while. It's called "Death in the Afternoon" but they haven't made any new episodes since 2019.

Not requests, but suggestions might be fun. There are so many obscure but intriguing deaths, that Caitlin may not know about, but might would find worthy of discussion.

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I was browsing and I saw her show about the dam break in LA and clicked it on. Had never heard of her but I was mesmerized! I’ve been binging since. Stories that I realized had fascinated me all my life but really didn’t know much about them (cannibalism)! I want to become a patron but I don’t know how that works. Hardest working person in LA!

It's become my favorite

WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HOT girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest KZfaqr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear 3mi

WAIT WHAT???

I never ask but the answer I get is not unwanted.

I love it because I get to hear about something that I have no idea about which I love!

It's something that sounds good on the surface but doesn't hold up much with any scrutiny. Slab avalanches will "meld" with the snow underneath it if there is nothing between the two "bodies". If there is an object the object will either be covered/flattened or stick out above the avalanche...like taller trees. You can see from the pictures of the dyotlov pass this didn't happen. Also if there is no avalanche activity in an area, that means none, a different type is still an avalanche. Don't know why people are falling for this. Heck the skis are still upright in the pix.

I find it so cool that Jurassic Park was the first to find an accurate running speed for trex. Because the at the time believed speed was too fast and didn't look right on the model. Movement using a model and having It look right to us is a pretty useful tool to use.

@@orange222...And werent the bodies radiated if I remember correctly? A lot of it doesn’t really make sense and, if my memory is correct, they wont even let people go there which makes it even more suspicious

⁠@@Catherine.Dorian. technically a lot of things are radiated. Bananas. Granite countertops. Cell phones. What matters is the type and amount. Without knowing that we have no idea if something is being omitted because it makes the story scarier or if it’s actually important

@@Nevertoleave Wasn’t the whole thing before cell phones? Not sure what they could’ve possibly had that could’ve made detectable radiation. Plus the condition of some of the bodies, them running basically undressed into the night.. it’s just weird

Right on!

I feel we are turning in the direction of that ideal. But we still make mistakes. I think education is the best solution. Usually people berate or joke around bc they don't understand. Anyone with a developed sense of empathy can learn. Imo, most of the time its pure ignorance of just not understanding how mental health problems work. Like with even influencers. Some have severe mental health issues and people will berate them. Like, people wanting to deplatform Eugenia Cooney for "self harm" when in reality its deplatforming bc she is sick, essentially saying, if you are visibly not well, then you don't deserve your channel. We just have to keep educating and educating.

Well said

How did I not see this comment when I initially watched the video. I have such an interesting opinion to add to this thread. Well I do think we are moving away from commodifying actual people in the form of child stars we are moving towards commodifying people in the form of child stars in online media. And certainly there are creators who refuse to participate in that and refuse to show their children's faces without their children's consent which because their children are under a certain age and cannot speak that's impossible. Unnatural vegan as much as I don't like her anymore- made the correct decision to never show her child face or give the gender of her child. But then we have situations like Daddy of five. Not to mention every single mommy blogger who thinks that documenting their child's neurodiverse meltdowns is helpful to other moms. There is so much endless content online that kids didn't consent to. Even great parents like this person I know in real life who is a teacher she got artificially inseminated and is raising a child on her own. She is so smart well-minded and a loving mother but she post pictures of her kid naked even. I have other friends who have kids and they won't post their kids online at all out of fear of being stalked or whatever and I think that's a little bit far but I also don't know what a healthy Middle ground is. I don't think it's abnormal to want to share pictures of your child with the world and your friends on social media but I also think it's very experimental because we haven't been living through it for a long time we've had cameras and we've had the ability to document precious moments but not share them as widely as we have. I wonder if there are people from like America's funniest home videos from the '80s and '90s who had their precious moments laughed at by wider America how they feel about it now as adults. I just wish there was more data

Itll never happen in my opinion the worlds getting worse not better sadly.

Especially a kid whose entire self worth likely revolved around his work.

Just heart wrenching. I literally gulped and had a heart ache when I heard that. This is a other reason I dislike Disney. Not a big deal in my family.

They did the same thing to Michael Jackson. Not Disney. But like... the world...

@@JenileaBedelia Actually, his parents did that to him; especially his father.

@@thomson872 I would've thought they would have had some legal redress about breaking contract. Regardless, your comment regarding his father is an interesting one because it could be argued that Disney fulfilled the role of a father that he always wanted. Seemingly loving, encouraging, fun, busy and exciting, good food and clothing. But just as his own father had done, Disney turned on him and all the messages his old man had probably given him were reinforced by the poor treatment by Disney. No wonder the guy turned to drugs.

Lmao for a second I thought you meant you weren't a fan of ask a mortician and happened to be an obsessive brit fan who found a video that had a .2 second clip on britney lmaooooo I was like wow! That's a real fan!

Anon Ymous Trust me Britney stans will find a way. 😭😂

@@AnonYmous-ih4vw 😂 I thought the same thing until I read your comment, thanks for clarifying javierortiz82's post, 😂.

And yet everyone is still just a "conspiracy theorist" no matter how many things turn out to be true that's been said in advance. Just saying. I've been a stupid tin foil hat for many years and no matter how many things that are brought into the light by us we still remain "stupid tin foil hats".

100%. When Hit Me Baby One More Time came out, I remember telling people there was a special place in hell for her parents. I was only 18, but even I knew that someone was responsible for her and was ok with flaunting her underage body for money. I’m all for grown women expressing their sexuality, but not 16 year old girls.

She still uses her baby voice but turns it on and off. It's very strange for a woman of nearly 40 yrs old.

@@isabellind1292 Because it's iconic. She's a genuinely good singer, though.

@@GirtheAlienGoldfish I'm talking about her talking, lol!

apparently she was supposed to be at christina aguilera's level of vocals, but apparently it would be hard to have her sound like christina so they decided to make her use the whole baby voice to make her stand out.

@@GirtheAlienGoldfish but it fucked up her voice though since it isn’t her natural pitch.

Yes I agree they are the top make-up people. Cover up those zits! And he was still so cute, I'm sure he could have been enjoyed as a teen actor. 👍

I’m so sure they could afford it too

Yeah. If Disney could they would push them immediately into porn. Disney is perverse.

How about just continue showing the actors at these ages? Haha there is nothing wrong with puberty.

@@shelbiepollitoexactly, like there’s not tween shows? If people are concerned about the physical “attractiveness” of children this age that says more about them than anything else…

Anna D That was beautifully said .

my heart

Very sad. We should all be treating our people in addictions recovery with more compassion and love. Shame on Disney for dumping him with such indignity. I get that it is the way of the business but christ don't just use him and lock him out of the front door like a 2 dollar hooker asshats.

As sad as it is I don’t see how Disney has anything to do with it, I’m sure he’s paid decently for his roles and being fired is just part of working life in general. The question is why isn’t anyone teaching him how to manage that earning and lead a non-celebrity life?

@@RadenWA because.. because he's dead. Very, very, dead.

Didn't expect I would find one of my role models here. 😅 Traci Hines following Caitlin Doughty? No way, my day is perfect! 😅❤️❤️❤️

I pray that those “religious pamphlets” found with his body brought him to accept Christ’s gift of salvation before he passed.

Lol dead

@@mamawchip9426 i hope we fix our society instead of hoping for an afterlife that may or may not exist. If God really cared then people wouldnt suffer the way that they do.

@@mamawchip9426 sickening

Likewise with Paris Hilton, although I didn't really covet so much as buy into the BS "image" that negative media painted about her...then as an adult, gradually learned of how she had her privacy violated by someone she trusted. When she tried to sue the former lover, after finding out he secretly taped their intimate moments to make money on the side, the former lover somehow managed to convince the media to tear Paris apart instead. She was painted as promiscuous, demonized for trying to protect herself, and it really traumatized her.

Same for me. I fucking HATED her when I was growing up. But when all the bullshit she had to deal with came to light, I felt sorry for her.

Every decent person realizes that we should have left Brittney alone at some point

Seems like we all have our burdens and the grass isn’t always greener. Though sometimes it really is…lol

Can you imagine, “Yeah, we had to figure out how long it took for a bisected body to completely drain of blood, for plot reasons, and we figured we could try to solve it during our lunch break.” -Disney Intern

The son of the man who last saw her is a retired lac da (Los Angeles County DA). He firmly believes his dad murdered her still to this day.

@@OGamerGirl92 I read that article. Apparently the father was a surgeon, had the connections necessary to have met her, no alibi, and enough psychopathic traits that his son (who put the pieces together after the father's death) is both personally and professionally convinced it was him.

@@cat-tb7nh who solved it because it's still classified as unsolved in the LAPD files

@@beckstheimpatient4135 he remembers her at the house with his dad for something as well when he was a kid

I'm not the only person who wondered for years about the Dyatlov mystery.

The science is as interesting, if not MORE so than “aliens,” to me. I super appreciative of this kind of stuff, we can learn so much. I hope the Dyatlov Pass hikers families can at least get some closure from having this put to rest.

@@ShiftingFixations I agree. It's like the generally accepted theory about the Marie Celeste is more interesting and heartbreaking than all the alien/supernatural conjecture.

@@peetrpeetr I know! So fascinating.

100%

I wholeheartedly agree!

The Russian army is what killed those hikers. Feel sorry for Bobby ouch. That girl Lauren also didn't live long.She lived only to fifty seven years old

If you look at the stars from Disney's live action kid shows they often have this issue. Hell, there is a reason Disney decided to mint it's music stars in house after promoting the boy bands of the 90s ended badly.

Sadly, all the studios that used child stars acted the same way. Jackie Coogan and Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland, and Elizabeth Taylor all suffered in their child star careers. No doubt Bill Mumy and Kurt Russell could tell a few tales as well.

disney's done plenty of other terrible stuff that'll make you feel conflicted about enjoying their movies ever agian. i recommend you look into it!

Surely they've gotten better since then. *looks at the news on Disney* ...or not.

This is the story that made you distrust Disney? It's a disgusting company deserves to be ran into to the ground and pissed all over.

Before covid, my school had a haphazard shrine in the main animation classroom. Someone also got drop kicked in there.

Seconded

Me before she said that: "that sounds awesome!" 😂

@seiom jvony she said she was quoting the last line from Peter Pan.

@@LilianTejada 16:18 It's at the beginning

Withdrawal sadly might have contributed. Especially if he was trying to kick it himself.

Half life's Eli face is of an homeless dude they never found again

They still try to hide it, but are so shady.

I learned about Driscoll's story about 4 years ago when I did a report on Hart Island. I was so sad to learn what happened to the actor behind Peter Pan, one of my favorite childhood movies. At the end of the day Disney is still a ruthless studio. Bobby Driscoll deserved better.

They didn't hide it, though... They just shouted down with hype for "The next Disney Classic" instantly... The right people got paid under the table... and anyone who disagreed got ruined. Everybody knew that once you had a contract with Disney, they OWNED your ass, and would dispose of you like garbage at the drop of a hat... Few careers avoided ruin from them in the hey-day... AND they only survived for already having good connections outside of Disney, so no need for anything more than a "by the movie/show" contract.. The only "hiding" was the excruciating amount of "facade" put up as a "Family oriented" entertainment base. ;o)

dont forget the nazi connection and the extreme racism

Disney doesn't really need to hide anything, since they get to almost everyone when they're young, and most people don't like to "ruin their childhood". That's why they always get away with shit like this & will continue to do so. And if they do get in trouble, they can just throw money at the problem.

I heard he recently got arrested for either drunk driving or reckless driving, forgot which one.

for real? what’s his name?

@@goodgriefff Jake Lloyd.

@@ginnrollins211 The reckless driving was five years ago and it was because of a psychotic break. He has since been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Thank you SW fans, you lost your tickets money and ruined a life.

I agree, they are less, "no one wants to know this," and more, "no one knew they wanted to know this."

Okay then, WHY IS NO ONE ASKING WHY BILLY LOOKS LIKE WOODY BUT A CHILD

Caitlin makes some of the most unique and interesting content on the internet...or anywhere actually. She’s a treasure.

@@evilbob840 Another good channel for that kind of thing is "Today I Found Out."

Natalie Portman is out there now saying she wishes she hadn't been in Besson's "The Professional". Her parents were close to her on-set, so she didn't get creeped on... but she was in a creep's movie, so she's been getting a lot of fan mail by paedos.

What illusion? Where they trying to say that people should believe Snow White was real and that was her voice, even though she’s a drawing?????? To the point where this woman never could work?? Crazy

Hollywood/Disney contracts are lifelong from the start.

@@tanjahorvatserbiaoldslavsh4685 lifelong toxic

And still refuse to credit her to this day. She isn’t in the credits on Disney+.

signing a contract with Disney, sounds more like selling your soul to the 😈 brrr...

Weird. That line was used prominently in the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Was that some odd homage to Peter Pan? If so, I don't get it. lol

@@rhyfeddu Second Star to the right?

@@Arcana_Jester "All this has happened before, and will happen again." 🤖

@@rhyfeddu lol Yes I meant that was the homage meaning (or they were hoping you wouldn't notice). Also making a way-too-subtle creepy reference to child stars.

South Park’s episode about Britney - she’s mistreated until she dies horribly - shows everyone moving on to Christina Aguilera at the end. Been a long time since I saw it, but it’s definitely what we do with some female stars and child stars.

They were probably in shock, shock and put you in a very calm state but you're not quite there, which could explain them walking slowly away down the trail

@@mollyoldfield746 also head injuries can really confuse the hell outta you. ur brain getting rattled can make thinking logicially incredibly difficult

also they were very injured, maybe that's the best pace they could manage.

Or the fact that the campsight was neither buried nor disrupted? I mean, I doubt it's supernatural but anything that would have mashed them up inside of their tents (as supposedly happened with this hypothesis) would have left enough of a clue that it wouldn't have been a mystery for half a century.

@@dylanneely91 Not to mention according to the autopsy, 2 of them had injuries - like pierced heart that would not allow them to walk so far. Suggesting they become injured after getting out of tent.

It's a business, what else do you expect? Most large companies don't care about single employees, as everyone is replaceable.

@@ericaallisonc It doesn't make it right. I've had a job that eliminated our department and lost our job the same day. The least they can do is give a notice. Plus he couldn't continue his career because no one would take him. At least I was able to move to another job in the same career.

Not just entertainment industry. For the most part no company cares what happens to their employees after they are gone. And honestly I don't have an issue with it. No one told you they would (excluding pensions). I'm responsible for my actions. Yes Bobby was a human and didn't have the support system he needed, that's not on Disney to make sure he did (at least not after he was no longer employed there), that's on those around him and himself. Would it be nice if Disney and other entertainment companies like the NFL took actions to help prepare people for the day they leave? Sure. But I don't hold them responsible for not doing it. It's not their job. Never has been.

@@LordSStorm I mean, Disney fired him three years before his contract. Like, what's the use of a contract if companies can just ignore them? I think such things are illegal in most other countries now.

I also feel that child actors are put at a disadvantage because it's all they've ever known. They are forced to grow up fast and other instances of abuse are known. It sadly makes them susceptible to drugs. Yes they are responsible for their actions but so many suffer and struggle.

yes! I love Caitlin, she's like that cool aunt I wish I had. One of the nicest

Can confirm that being told how wonderful you are until X point, then finding out that you can't actually make it in the world of adulthood, is devastating, and I understand how a person could end up trying drugs to escape the bitter, lonely agony. Bad enough to be told from toddler hood what a "bad, stupid, worthless" etc. person you are, but even worse to find that the adoration of how wonderful you were was always temporary, doomed to end as you aged... Not into a retirement home, but simply through adolescence and into adulthood.

So many child stars were used abominably. So horrible Disney wouldn't help his mum try to find him.... so much wealth... so little caring

Suny--Read the book "Idol Truth" by Leif Garrett. Everybody connected with his life including his parents (but NOT his sister) should have died a horrible death in a cold and dark dungeon!

rich people have emotions too, can suffer abuse, they just have more of a chance to escape it. abuse that happens stays with you. obviously not having resources is infinitely worse, but we should still persecute the perpetrators. It's not okay to exploit kids, how can anyone not care about other people who haven't hurt anyone (unless they have).

This should be pinned.

What's even sadder is that the climate that allowed for cases like Driscoll's to occur is still largely tolerated in Hollywood. He was one of several other child actors who were bullied or abused into giving out exactly the kind of performance directors sought (see Mickey Rooney or Judy Garland, for example) and who were never properly compensated for it. The modern era's given us former Disney heartthrobs pulling stylistic one-eighties as a sort of unvoiced and desperate cry for help. Again, see Spears and Cyrus. The most we've ever gotten is MeToo's wave of testimonies, and Harvey Weinstein's trial, if any roughly-related and adjacent forms of retribution are considered. Hollywood's frustratingly good at hermetically sealing its victims inside its own bubble.

exactly....the hypocricy.

@@McSquiddington On a lighter note, your comment reminded me of how Stanley Kubrick protected the kid actor in The Shining from the scary stuff to such an extent that he only realized he'd been in a horror movie when he caught it airing on tv at the age of 18. (Yes, I know on the other hand he was absolutely horrible to the main actress, but the above always gets a chuckle out of me.)

I literally thought you meant several children convinced a young boy he could fly which lead to him jumping to his death.

I'm going to hazard, he might have gone to that location deliberately.

Same. I hope his last moments were peaceful.

@@elizabetha3936 I hope that too.

@@coyoteartist of course he went there deliberatly, deliberatly to get some of the good heroin they was pushing back then!

What does that have to do with dyatlov pass?

He probably did not glow up enough to their liking. He turned from a cute kid into an awkward, spotty and squeaky-voiced teen instead of a "dream-boat" you can re-market as a heartthrob or something. And they didn't want to wait for him to turn into a butterfly.

In the meantime, studios had made movies with actors such as Mickey Roonie, who is no looker. Bobby could have played many roles or done voice acting for Disney, but instead they threw him out like trash...then he died and was unceremoniously buried in a mass grave. Some might say those who rest on Hart Island have also been thrown away like trash. The first child in NYC to die of AIDS is another to be placed on the island. Buried away from others and under 14 feet of earth, as people didn’t know how transmissible HIV was at the time. It is one grave that can be easily found, as it was placed far from others.

Sounds like the people who get puppies and them throw them out once they've grown because they "didn't know the dog was going to get that big".

These days they just give child stars hitting puberty serious medication that is meant for severe acne and turn a blind eye to diets that turn into eating disorders to delay children from physically developing.

Its said that he got a very bad case of acne (which wasn't too easy to hide apparently), so they couldn't have known about that when making the contract, but yeah that whole story is awful. I'm also surprised that they could just break that contract so easily

Commenting on this late, but “Dead Mountain” in the case of Dyatlov Pass was named by the native people due to the mountain’s lack of game-not due to any ominous reason.

@@zoeeubanks4715 but the reason for the lack of game though....

@@annieyu3955 Zoe may have outsmarted you, but you outsmarted their outsmarting!

Annie Yu An area not having game isn’t ominous. Reasons could range from over hunting to lack of foliage to support a game population. The name “Dead” was in fairly common use in the area, and the lack of game is presumably due to the high elevation and therefore lack of foliage. No scary reasons for it

I grew up near a lake named for the burial mounds that French traders found in the area. It was fine.

Carlos it actually wasn't Driscolls line in the movie it was the narrator. Bobby of course played the teenage voice of Peter pan the narrarator who said that line had a deeper adult voice. Not trying to start anything just shedding a little light. You're not wrong though about it being creepy and sad how history repeats itself esp in regard to child stars ✨ 😪

Come on, let's simulate.

MI6 helped Crack the snow cone err snow code!

*It doesn’t have to be a snow code* ...okay, bye. ❄️

LMAO

No matter what though, Bobby probably wouldn't be getting royalties anyways. Disney is a company and most companies just use people.

The history of child actors is very interesting. You’re right about Driscoll most likely not getting royalties. In those days, children’s best interests were not being properly protected. It wasn’t till years later when those laws started being formed..... and now I want to go research to check my memory of the facts haha

Lead liner

Lead liner and concrete poured over the coffins. I know this thanks to Chernobyl mini series!

I would be very curious to find out what happened to the Radium Girls when they died too. I could read this thick book or I could just have death mother read it to me-a sweet lullaby. No really-I usually watch Caitlyn’s videos before bed. They’re mind if relaxing 😅

Fun fact: Marie Curie's notebooks are still considered unsafe to be handled without protection

For some reason I once found myself reading through my country's regulations on handling radioactive remains... I can not remember what I was originally looking for.

Really? Thanks for sharing that

Yeah I felt a burst of fucking fury seeing that

Yea, It's messed up.

Dang, I don’t remember that movie being made at all. Looks like it came out in 2022, I’m surprised Mulaney would be on board for mocking someone else’s fatal substance abuse. Like, the bit is funny when it’s about himself, but pretty low in this instance…

@@soccermommyNPC Yeah, that was the minute I was done with Mulaney. He knows how much drug addiction hurts people from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, yet he still took part in mocking someone who died from it. I don't think I'll ever watch one of his specials again, which is sad bc I liked him before I found out he's willing to stoop that low

HELL YES

@@TheMcspreader Good Point🤦‍♀️:)

AGREED. SOOO many channels are emceed here by peeps sounding like Eore..... or worse.

Discovery would make her focus only on the alien angle.

Too bad Discovery Channel and TLC are mostly shock reality television. Caitlin’s videos aren’t scandalous enough, crazy enough or click baity. It would’ve been much better if they were still educational channels.

ACAB, never forget. If you doubt me, look into the case of Sandra Melgar, who is currently doing life in prison for the "murder of her family" while she was bound and gagged in a closet for 14 hours. They never even bothered to test the random DNA they found, they just psychologically tortured this poor woman for days, despite all of the evidence pointing elsewhere. It's sad that the brutal truth is that even if you are completely innocent and just watched your family get murdered, you should call a lawyer before 911. And NEVER talk to cops, ever. Not even at a damn community barbecue, that shit can and will be used against you. Or even worse, Mumia Abu-Jamal, a journalist who spent 30 years in solitary confinement (basically being buried alive with food and oxygen) because he got a little too close to police corruption. It's well known that junkies, drunks, and prostitutes are known as "the less dead" in American police parlance. The rabbit hole goes much, much deeper than George Floyd. Defunding the police IS the compromise. Also remember that juries are fucking stupid, or else they would have gotten out of jury duty. Walk a thin line if you're in the USA. If I was still living there, I would never dare write this comment. First amendment my ass, went the way of the fourth amendment a long time ago (when was the last time a cop told you WHAT they were searching your car for? Hell, I grew up in a small, segregated community, and I got searched every single time I came out of the black part of town. I am not that old, and that shit is still going on. To add insult to injury, they named the major road in the black part of town after a sheriff known for hanging black teenagers, just willy-nilly style).

If you ever want to kill someone and get away with it just kill a junkie. As demonstrated by Kurt Cobain's very suspicious death that was immediately ruled by the Seattle PD as a suicide by a crazy junkie no questions asked.

Lady Jay, or a sex worker. So, so many serial killers have never been caught, or even noticed, because they target the lowest of the low. The cops won't even look into a missing sex worker or drug user, who disappear all the time, and they rarely bother to have a post-mortem exam done unless there are obvious signs of violence. Our government doesn't care about people with no resources, and we, the population, don't seem to care enough to force the issue.

@@stevem.o.1185 except for the scan part, I agree with you, and it's so sad.

@@Janellabelle the evidence just absolutely does not match up with murder. I understand that st the time they hadn't really had major homicides there and their police department wasn't used to processing murder scenes, or wasn't equipped, or whatever their excuse was. I whole heartedly believe he was murdered, and nothing will convince me otherwise.

Also I don't think it could be yeti's for one reason, the radiation

@@alphagiga4878 The radiation is the easiest thing to toss out as being important. One of the hikers had handling radioactives as part of his coursework. Yeah talk about "boring" explanations! Some of them were (slightly) radioactive before they left town. To me the biggest turn off for the avalanche explanation... is that it was literally the FIRST thing people considered... and subsequently removed from the list of possibilities.

@@marhawkman303 I mean I don't know an avalanche appears to be how it happened and the radiation from thorium lamps, missing body parts scavenging from animals and some of them missing clothes, well when one gets too cold they get hot and they take off their clothes in an attempt to cool themselves down

@@alphagiga4878 Except that thing with the clothing usually doesn't result in someone leaving their clothes in their tent.... more so as a group. Which is seemingly what happened. Yeah, missing body parts? a lot of the dead weren't found for several months after they died. Being frozen is the only reason the corpses were even mostly intact.

@@marhawkman303 Several bodies were found face-down in an ice-free stream. Due to the fact that they were found only after a few months, the tongue, eyes and faces simply decomposed

Sorry for the loss of your Grandson. It must be very painful for you and his parents.

I'm so sorry. 🌷

I'm so very sorry for the loss of your Grandson..😔..⚘🌹⚘🌹

❤ Hug.

I am so sorry for your loss

God i will never get over the injustice done to comic creators, especially the earliest ones

@@ThirrinDiamond Agreed! Even Superman's Siegel and Shuster's story was sad. For Bill, I cried when I watched the documentary made about this. It's so overwhelming how it was the fans who fought for Bill Finger and Batman's history despite the big companies trying to silence it; I now get chills when I see his name credited in Bat-media. The first was with Batman vs Superman, now, I'm so hyped to see his name in The Batman. 💕

This is some coco real life story !

@@georgiapapadimitriou8887 oh speaking of coco, the family of who the grandma of coco is based on said they dont want money just recognition that disney came, stole their grandmas life and likeness and left but nope! Disney refuses to ackowledge her UwU

@Andrew Gray Hi! With the character's long history and legacy, it would be pretty difficult (for me at least) to sum it up here in the comments, so I recommend watching the documentary Batman and Bill (it's on Hulu but can be found here in KZfaq). If I remember correctly, even Bob Kane acknowledged how he downplayed Bill's involvement after Bill's death. It was known since the first ever official comic-con(young Michael Uslan was there, too). There's also footage of him showing sketches that he claimed he drew as a kid that just doesn't add up regarding timeline, skills, and previous stories he'd told. As for those who definitely have more authority to speak about this more than me, haha, like Dr. Travis Langley, Kevin Smith, and Michael Uslan(now executive producer of the Batman film franchise), they are all in the documentary as well. I think the Batman 75th Anniversary art by Paul Roman Martinez featuring Kane and Finger sums it up well. While we don't deny that Bob Kane created "Bat-Man" in 1939, it would not be the Batman we know today without Bill Finger adding key elements like Robin, Catwoman, Commissioner Gordon, Gotham City, the Joker, and even his costume. Today, the creators are credited like this: Bob Kane with Bill Finger. With what Batman means and stands for for many people, it's understandable why many fans are mad at Kane. They *are* technically co-creators, but Kane took that away from Bill, his family, and the fans.

Not to mention mocking him in the Chip and Dale rescue Rangers movie.

oh damn! didn't realize he had kids.

@@nanii22 12:25 ;)

Nah, the artists are shady AF too.

The best Disney artists are long dead.

Won't somebody think of the Pupfish?!

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I mean... no one forced Driscoll to start doing drugs, he did that to himself and paved his own path into an unmarked grave. He likely could have continued to be a good actor, even after puberty (it's not like puberty lasts forever), he just seemed to give up, as if working at Disney was the peak of his existence...

@@ericaallisonc when he was snubbed in every attempt he made? There was no consideration of treating him as a person. He was a minor and there was no warning, no further support. He was used and then thrown away. It sounds like he really tried to make a life but when you start out super young in the entertainment industry, your sense of reality is distorted. You don't have a strong sense of self because you always played someone else. There should be a lot more mental health support for young actors for this very reason. Addiction to drugs and other substances happens because of a lack of connection, a lack of support. He shouldn't be demonized for his suffering. That was a little boy who participated I 9 different projects by the age of 9. That is incredible. His death and being forgotten is such a waste.

@@ericaallisonc he was likely given drugs as a child a lot of old child stars talk about it that would make it way too easy for a adult addiction Disney is also known for making it very difficult for their actors to get work after them but even IF that didn't happen to him (unlikey since he was back before children had labor laws to protect)

Reading your comment gave me goosebumps. So sad but so true.

The character was based on Michael Davies, Peter's brother. Peter was dragged into the spotlight for sharing the character's name. The character is somewhat cursed. Michael died from drowning while swimming with a friend. Peter threw himself in front of a train. Bobby died alone and anonymous.

Of course it doesn't. They just want their favorite cryptid to be the culprit instead of something boring.

This makes me feel good for immediately knowing who he was!

I didn't know about him. I had never seen Song of the South (not sure how long it's been banned) or Treasure Island. My heart breaks for the children whose lives are destroyed by Disney turning them into Celebrities and then dumping them without so much as a "Thank you for your service."

It’s not sad to me. Death is death honestly. If people really cared about those homeless or unidentified lived ones they’d have known where they are. Or been looking already at least.

But couldn't they find them through the fingerprint thingy like they did with Bobby?

@@johannaheider5155 it took years and getting motherfucking disney to help out to find this,, reality can be cruel.

The unidentified dead should be DNA tested.

@@guntaf1349 No thanks. Who pays for that? I’d rather give couples dna tests for free if they’re expecting children. I wouldn’t waste government funding in the dead. Not like that.

They really do treat their employees horribly. Most can’t even afford housing.

I have a friend who interviewed for a job in the accounting department at Disney when she was in her 30s. They wanted her to have a pelvic exam. Apparently they were looking for hidden children that may interfere with her ability to work. Yuck, no thank you.

@@tameramorrison8966 she could have/should have reported that. It’s super illegal.

It wasn’t just Disney though. At that time,and even earlier, it was kinda common. Happened to Shirley Temple and Joan Crawford to name 2, but there were more. Especially kid actors.

I don’t know if california is an at-will work state, but if they are, you can be fired basically without reason and it’s all legal.

Iconic Corpse

Disney is pretty evil. The founder was a misogynistic Nazi

Seems Disney's attitude was "I OWN you."

Great equalizer indeed..sometimes that is.

Mozart

It’s so true and sad. Tesla, Mozart (as someone else stated above. I was actually going to say his name also before I read the comments above). So sad.

this ^

@@manuelh.4147 thank you for your insight

Same...

i'm thankful that i now know, this might sound strange but i get tentatively happy whenever i learn something like this. the idea of watching disney movies without any knowledge of what happened behind the scenes scares me more than learning the truth.

Scavengers

Missing clothes could be explained by paradoxical undressing, where people with hypothermia remove their clothes because they feel warm. The missing tongue and eyes could be explained by scavengers, most likely birds.

omg so wholesome!! What kind of parrot do you have, if you don't mind me asking?

@@demetriatorowus9735 a budgie, oddly enough whenever he hears Caitlins voice he just starts chirping, I think he is becoming a fan as well

@@rottenhat8813 I have budgies too and they love high voices, especially my male budgie! I'll have to pay attention to their reaction to Caitlin next time I'm home but they seem to really love Jimin from BTS's voice, notably in the song Serendipity. Also, ironically, they love the Frozen soundtrack.

@@demetriatorowus9735 that's adorable, whenever Caitlin does her Valley girl high pitched voice he goes byts, he often lands on my phone and pecks at the screen

@@rottenhat8813 that is the cutest thing I'm just imagining it!!

That would be amazing!

@@llamacorn-iu9mq any ideas on making it a reality?

Are you familiar with Ologies by Alie Ward? You might like it.

@@Fragrantbeard I am, I love podcasts that make me a little smarter after I listen to them.

AND makes it entertaining! Love it!!