Ngl the road map looks pretty good the permiem account is going to be the normal sl is going up the grind is not going to be that hard anymore but tbh I could just be fan boying because I have fun in the game

watching this while flying to the fight in air realistic made this 10x funnier

The secret is to like the game, not the grind, a person who likes the journey will walk further than someone who likes the destination

The best way to fix the game is to remove gaijin from the game

The best way to nerf CAS without completely destroying it is have AI AAs in the map where AA zones can be captured. Which brings more variety in Ground Gameplay and make CAS more skillful

I did not expect to find such a good video from a channel that doesn't upload regular war thunder content. "Bravo!"

I can personally assure you this is a very accurate review. Ive got over 4000 hours at the game, and played since like 2016. And the grind has slowly become worse and worse every year. At this point i have stopped spending money on the game, and almost stopped playing it since i dont really progress anyways. Also i have not had a decent amount of SL in a long time because of the repair costs. Comparing this to the fact that i have been in the top 3 best squadron (group of competetive players) in the entire game, that says a thing or two about how bad it has become lately... -----Edit------: After the roadmap updates, the grind is easier. Its thankfully not as problematic anymore :) Playing for fun is now possible again🎉

SPAA is my favorite part of the game. It's a great way to single-handedly turn the outcome of a match. Just sucks that the rewards for taking down aircrafts is so low.

I honestly feel that naval is overhated just because everyone is used to the fast paced action of tanks and planes and when they go to naval and it’s slow, they automatically think it’s trash and boring.

im a cas player and im fully aware there is basically nothing the enemies can do about it

As someone with roughly 1200 hours in this game. You covered just about everything that any new player should be aware of. One thing to keep in mind is that there has been a good number of positive changes that have been implemented in the recent months, in response to review bombing by the community. Also air rb can definitely be boring when you’re getting no kills or not doing much game after game, but when you find your niche it can be just as fun as ground rb. Personally in all of my time playing, I alternate between the two since I get bored of one and go to the other. It keeps things refreshing

The urban maps personally are not bad at all. Its the long range maps where you can see into anothers spawn just by driving a mile or two from yours.

One thing about the CAS segment, you do not need to get a kill to be able to afford a aircraft, in some vehicles you can kill a single crew and get enough for a plane with however many bombs.

"air Rb is Boring" I was like you once, I played almost nothing but ground for like 500 hours, played air once then quit cuz I died a bunch without kills, but Air RB is like crack, once you find that one plane that activates your almonds for the first time you get hooked, for me it was the Yak-3. Now its been about a year since I looked at a ground line up

10:04 an ad started just as the bomb exploded so i saw just 1 frame of the explosion

Historically accurate? HISTORICALLY ACCURATE!??!

if you're a masochist (like me as well) you would love air RB for the fact that it punishes you for just playing. Because unlike ground RB, imo it has more knowledge ceiling, knowing every plane's characteristics, combat maneuvers, guiding your shots. Though i kind of agree for the ooga booga climbing part, it's kind of irritating sometime to spawn and wait 2-3 minutes to sideclimb, and wait another 3-4 minutes to get to an engagement.

Hey, I'm one of the people with no life and a limitless bank account, so I've actually unlocked and played top tier tanks, planes, and most importantly, SPAA. So, speaking from my experience, I can tell you that top tier CAS, like mid tier CAS, is horribly broken in favor of planes. However, unlike mid tier CAS, top tier CAS is also horribly broken in favor of guided missile SPAA. Whenever I spawn in as a plane, or when I'm in my 11.7 SPAA and I see someone else spawn in, that plane (helicopters have it even worse) gets destroyed within 20 seconds, because the missiles fired by top tier SPAA cannot be broken with countermeasures, intercepted, and are incredibly difficult to dodge, impossible for helicopters. So, in practice, if the enemy team has 1 or more guided missile SPAAs in top tier, you'll probably die before you even reach the battlefield, but if not, then you'll get like 4 kills. In short, top tier SPAA and CAS isn't really fun for anybody, whether you're on the ground or in the sky.

To any new-comers: I have over 1100 hours in this game; listen to this guy when he says the grind is nuts and the monetization is extreme.

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I found you bc of this video and I already love your video stile and the small funny things. The videos are very balanced with fun,documentary and knowledge. Keep the good work and never stop!

You made such a good video for newbies. I had problems with playing with my friends because they just started out and they're pretty bad, and this video certanly helped them out. You made my life easier!

A simple change that I would love to happen is, to get air rb and ground rb mixed in 1. That would make that a team in order to win easier after they earn air superiority, I think it would at least make it a little bit more fair.

Something I'll point out here that my friend mentioned: naval can actually be a good way to grind out Silver Lions, because each ship can be used multiple times, and some can get some *really* good modifiers for lions earned. Might not be for you as far as a constant gamemode goes, but definitely worth it as a daily task for some extra lions if you turn auto-repair off! Also having finished the video - I enjoy the game, but I'mma probably stick to the lower tiers cus I ain't in the mood to deal with CAS if it gets *that* bad. Plus, I'm just playing Italy cus like any good Florida Man, I saw a big gun slapped onto a truck and liked it.

War Thunder or like it's fondly called "Wart Hunter" or "Secret Military Documents Leaker Simulator". P.S: Don't go around telling people of my Dicker Max.

I can tell you that everything you said is true I myself have grinded through 4 tech trees and it's ridiculous on how long it takes to a point I've spent 300$ on this game so seeing the new roadmap for the game makes me have hope knowing the MAYBE I can grind something else without have to buy another premium tank/plane

As some who plays naval regularly, it’s definitely fun if you know how to play it. Biggest problem in naval ironically is CAS being completely useless. CAS needs a price increase in ground RB, but in naval it needs a decrease for certain planes. With gaijin adding in boats with AA missile on them you’ll spend 400+ points only to get shot down in air spawn. Thats on top of most high tier ships having good AA coverage as it is.

I think a good idea would be to combine RB Ground and Air into one mode, you get one free aircraft/heli(low payload options with spotting capabilities) and one free ground vehicle per match. Points are gained by completing objectives or killing opponents. There are air objectives like securing zones or eliminating ground bases as well as ground objectives like we have now. If you want to spawn in a second vehicle with a better the payload, the points required to spawn in that vehicle increases. Make crash landing extremely expensive or crew lock to punish revenge bombers.

When I first started playing in 2018/2019 my progression was pretty good. I got to rank 4 vehicles in 3 trees(air and ground ) after about 750 hours. But as of late my grind has basically hit a plateau. I’m at tanks that take 100,000+ rp to grind and around 300,000 SL to buy and crew. It’s gotten to a point where I can pretty much only grind the tank out and not buy it. Over the years I’ve gotten diminishing returns. I hope these changes proposed on the road map stick.

Yeah, the su25 may be boring once you get to the top tier air rb f-14 f--16 mig-29 mig-23mld flying into the furball avoiding missiles flaring notching using all the skill you learned from day one, pushing the limits of your plane where there's no room for one single mistake, there's no place to hide its kill or be killed you can't outrun a missile, you are forced to merge with the enemy and fight them it's a lot more fun than driving forwards to a spot and then point and click

It took me a month but I finally finished the video. You are completely right about everything and the video was well made nice job

I would say for high BR ground RB the air and ground are somewhat balanced because helicopters are an easy target for guided missiles from radar AA tanks as well as some have tracking so you can lock onto a plane and track using ballistics calculator and easily kill any aircraft. (at least with my experience)

The problem with CAS can be midly fixed by just making you NOT PAY SL for the CAS death

Best explanation of my issues with war thunder in one video. Especially the issue of maps and CAS. The maps are just absolutely abysmal sometimes

thank you for talking about the CAS problem. it doesn't get shat on enough

The problem with cas is that few people will spawn in aa early on to counter it. The first plane to spawn has a couple free kills until someone gets pissed off and respawns in aa. They need to increase the rewards for players sitting in and getting kills with aa. They could also add more AI aa around the map to force planes to better plan an attack run to not be shot down. As for air RB the time spent climbing and flying to battle is meant to allow for more individual strategic planning tailored to that players aircraft. Most aircraft are not close in dogfighters that are meant to take on enemies at the same altitude and outturn them.

god danm, u sum up the game well and in an easy-to-understand way. nice, fun vid

I personally stay at 8.3 or around that spot in arcade tanks Over my 7 years of playing warthunder, i've switched over to the side of playing for the sake of fun. It allows me to take out a good tank like the t55-am1 and play for the sake of playing without having the worry of progression. progression is almost like a secondary bonus to me at this point

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Our decade long pain will soon be over, we will have massive improvements over the next 2 years, have faith.

I'll be honest, I think having aircraft in the game for ground RB is necessary and super important because it is the most reliable method of preventing camping. The problem is revenge bombing and aircraft who have no idea how to use their ordanance to obtain objectives and help their team. I think the best solution is limiting aircraft to 3 per team at any given point. A team saturated with planes will lose and having a limit will help prevent revenge bombing since if there are already 3 planes then they cant physically spawn in.

Started on this journey recently, even placing top 3 in 80% of my arcade battles, took me like 5 hours to get m4a3 105 and m13

very fun game. it takes a bit of grinding in pvp sessions to get some actually good planes tho. but they also have a flight test that lets you pre much just freeroam in whatever map they give you.

A perfect time capsule to see how far Gaijin has come in just a few months. I've been playing for years and have around 1.3k hours. The grind is SO much better, and having Gaijin listen to us is a dream come true. Here's to hoping that in another 3 month's time that we'll have even more user friendly updates!

Imma be honest, the Research point, at least with Premium, are something im kinda okay with. It takes long, but it's doable, plus playing the game should be fun anyway. Silver lions however just make everything painful. They make the grind painful to do by losses, which aren't particularly motivating, and by simply being rewarded less than needed to buy the tank u research in the same time. Also demotivating

The way I described it to my friends new to the game was that’s it’s “Air realistic battles featuring special guest tanks”

“Starts with vehicles from the ww1 era” correction, it’s interwar period and early ww2, though I wish they included those

My biggest gripe with the game was and still is the progression. Back when I quit the game completely in favor of DCS (for more reasons than just the progression) I did an experiment a bit before I quit the game; Grinding to top tier France in the fastest amount of time possible by buying the BR 8.7 premium AMX-30 and spending every single minute of the day grinding towards that goal of reaching the Leclerc, to see how much time it would take me compared to the ground vehicle trees (Germany, Russia, America) I started grinding back in 2015 and 2016. Of course this wasn't just me playing a tank the whole, as I had already reached top tier in the aviation tree so I always made sure I had a CAS option in case I did end up dying once and needed to regain either a stock of spawn points or shift the course of the match. The whole thing ended up with me taking about 3 to 4 months... 3-4 months of playing nonstop Ground RB matches with a premium vehicle, with a premium account, for about 5 to 6 hours (sometimes even 8) every single day. The average kills per life was around 5 or 6 (because the latter 2 months got me really geared into how I should play the tank) and the win-rate was about 65% to 70%. This is ridiculous. Not to mention that my win-rate was far above average, as losing a match practically halves your RP gain at the end of it never mind your SL gain. On top of this you also need to research vehicle modifications for the non-premium vehicles to increase their abysmal value, stock vehicles are practically unusable in top tier. How do newcomers even have the motivation to keep playing this game, without at least buying a premium subscription?! The monetization, even for a F2P game, is downright predatory...

I'm with you: CAS is ridiculously OP. The other day was a new record for me. I got bombed at the 3:33 minute mark. The previous record was 4:01 by a PE8 that took out 6 of us. If you pull up stats post game you notice how rare a 3:1 kill ratio is for tankers. Much less rare for the plane guys. The guy in the PE8 had a lackluster stat card except for the PE8 with 415 deaths, 1495 ground kills and 60 air kills. Its easy to see why plane guys like Ground RB more than Air RB. Most players are tank guys or plane guys. Competent plane guys have better ratios in general than competent tank players. Then there are the folks who are truly amazing with all 2:1, 3:1 ratios in tanks (or more) and 3:1, 4:1 ratios in planes (Gods among us). Players that can do both are really rare but the edge is still planes.

Just purchasing one higher tier premium vehicle in a tech tree you really want to max out can be kinda cool because it makes the grind much faster. Like on german aircrafts i bought the JU 288C to grind SL (at least 20k per round if you only destroy one base) and the Mig 21 when the package was on sale to grind top tier. It's a free game so might as well put a little money into it

1:50 oh wait great tip, Imma take like almost no ammo now

Really good review, but i completely disagree with Air RB. Its very fun once you get used to it

Well In real life close air support had a huge role in wars like the German invasion of Benelux and France they had used combined arms so them being OP is somewhat realistic I mean don't you have a moral boost when your in a battle and allied CAS comes in and bombs your enemy. And revenge bombing can be somewhat easily avoided just pop smoke or find cover. and revenge bombing is just the dude you killed being salty if he didn't kill you he probably could have bombed a teammate so you would still lose A tank even if they targeted you or a teammate. And some anti-airs can pen some tanks like the German and American Tier 3 to 4 anti-airs can pen some tanks I remember killing a panther with the M19A1.

Climbing while you were doing the air rb bit

CAS is a difficult problem to solve at higher tiers with missiles and tracking systems. It's so much easier for CAS to kill ground and SPAA to kill CAS. Not really sure how to balance it cause the more ordinance you take on aircraft actually makes it more expensive to use them. The SU-25K can get really expensive to spawn depending on what weapons you have attached. The low tier is absolutely a blast though and I have found a good high tier with 10.0 US being quite fun for me.

Naval is the most fun in coastal and low tier, where you don't have to wait 30s to reload, change your rudder or start accelerating

Don’t forget that the maps and the game itself incentivize toxic and annoying strategies that piss people off, the three main trees either have op or annoying players (most, but not all of the time) and the game is coded against you to make you want to pay, premium gets you better lobbies, someone tested it.

14:14 nah i love it when half the enemy team is cas, cause the ostwind II wirh the better he shells is the perfect counter, u can still hit like twin engine planes from over 2km away, playing aa is fun

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as a player with 10000+ hours on this game (i started playing 2016), i must say, yes the grind is real and slow, but even thru frustration and bad moments with the game, i must say, i am happy with it and it is propably my favorite game right now

Personally I find air realistic to be mutch more fun and kills far more plentiful, as apposed to ground realistic where I have little success and do not find kills plentiful and though you do get respawns in ground rb it does little to help me, Personally ground rb is much more of a slog than air rb

Regarding CAS and combined arms, cas in ground battles could be limited to slower propeller ground attack planes with long fused ordinances. (Think ov10 bronco with a 15s fuse). There could be 2 combined arms modes, one geared toward aircraft, amd one toward ground vehicles. The ground based mode eould be as outlined above, and for aircraft players who want to CAS, the could enter a lobby where all ground vehicles are AI, so they can still experience true OP CAS, but not at the expense of the other players.

Ah man, the naval battles are super fun, you gotta try it!

One thing you forgot to mention is that at Top Tier, CAS is HEAVILY balanced by SPAA like the TOR and PANSIR. Plus how exactly am I supposed to go on a kill streak to spawn in my let’s say F-16A just to be blown out of the sky 5-10sec after spawning from 10km by an SPAA? I get what you want to happen but with the uniqueness of WT’s vehicles just make that nearly impossible.

Honestly as a AA PLAYER, you really really underplay AA, they can kill most tanks... Think of the R3, Whrilblewind, so on so forth. You just need to know when to attack and where to hit.

I may be insane but I like the amount of hell that you have to go through to grind to top tear

I've now spent many hours grinding away at the British and Swedish tech tree and I feel like giving up.

I agree with your section on CAS, but the real problem is not the imbalance. It's the lack of good AA players

12:07 on top tiers (and even highest of mid ones) if you are in air - you are dead. When every anti aircraft vehicle has auto targeting which near impossible to avoid, for AAV's commonly 1 shot = 1 kill. When you meet Derivation on the battlefield and you are in the sky, next moment there is derivation of obscene words following from your side😂 (and 2C38 Derivation isn't even one of AAVs)

The start of air realistic is positioning and its what seperates the ace from the prey.

Air rb has its moments that imo are way more enjoyable than grb, like when you are 1v5 and you clutch the game, or when you have a really good dogfight, or your knowledge of the other plane gets you a kill, like when you energy trap a plane that can turn better than you, or when you reverse a plane that was on your tail. Top tier air is kind of braindead though, I go to DCS if I want that type of combat where the missile does most of the work.

me too man im a britain main and i have to come to terms with my addiction to pain

i played naval for like a day or two it was fun i could say but it felt very grindy, it was a decent mode considering yoh can bring your planes in, one thing i can say is fun is getting a torpedo bombers with your friends and destroying the enemy team over all 6/10 could be way better

He really tried to sneak in the warthunder stuff. amazing cooking btw

there has to be a 1:1 simulation mode for the game where you can spawn any vehicle - excluded fictional - and do a 1:1 replica of a war (kinda, you can change the plot of the war)

Air realistic and air simulator is a lot of fun if you actually have friends to play with. I like to get two friends as bombers and two friends as fighters or attackers to escort our bombing mission and we work together to deliver the bombs to their target.

Honestly you put outh a really great point about the CAS issue but personally from what ive experienced I think it makes it feel more real. In war like this whoever controls the air gets an advantage in battle and typically whenever I spend the rest of my SP after fighting tanks camping on a hill one shot sniping my tank out of nowhere for a bomber.. It most of the time just gets instantly clapped by some enemy fighter plane. I see where you're coming from and everybody will have different opinions, I just think it's part of the game and perhaps you're right, it could be balanced more and I somewhat agree. I mean if there are no enemy fighters over the field watching for me I literally just turn my brain off and drop a bomb on an objective and get a kill on a tank i didnt even notice.

5:06 I will always play turn green shoot mode. I think my eyes must be broken compared to everyone else, I can never see shit so the highlight just makes everything so much more fun.

I have been a free to play player and the grind is so long especially at rank 4 and 5 I have an m48a1 that I use instead of the m103 because the repair cost is so much lower and it feels like I can at least progress somewhat instead of spending 7 thousand on repair. Not only that getting killed in one shot with speedy vehicles, bombings, rockets etc it makes everything so much worst and hard to play you almost have to play with caution of everything and it sucks ground rb should have no planes or helicopters it makes everything so much worst and it really stresses the player out 😕

one of the tactics i do is just getting a 2.0 br plane and play tranks with it to get more sl and rp

Very accurate, but a short notice that naval can actually be pretty fun if you dedicate some time to learn how to use battleships. Naval is only gamemode in WT where you can just sit back and relaxe...

As SPAA you also have to deal with salty CAS that ram into your open top/light vehicle after you disabled them

The last tip is so key: find a lineup that lets you enjoy the grind. You won’t progress as fast but you will actually enjoy something that takes thousands of hours to do even optimally. Huge fan of the british lineups at 2.7-3.0, american at 3.7-4.0, german 3.3, russian 4.3-4.7, etc. 4.7 and 5.7 all have good fun tanks and are some of the most balanced BRs in my opinion. I’m also a ww2 guy so I actuvely avoid playing (and sometimes even facing) post-war stuff. The grind will end at about 7.0 for me… eventually

Air rb on low tiers is horrible. Once you get to the better missle age everything gets way better since you constantly need to watch out of enemy radar missles and you're way faster into the middle

At top tier the balance kind of shifts (especially with the Pantsir) SPAA becomes much more competent due to the guided munitions and if your idea of making CAS planes spawn on the runway would be VERY unbalanced due to the fact that with top tier SPAA you can and sometimes will spawnkill planes due to the sheer range of some of you guns

As a nearly tanks only player when in ground simulator battles, usually only flying CAS in air sim or lower BR (I won't lie, Stuka's fun, but you have to find those targets...). CAS doesn't appear to be as big a problem in Sim. Only when ground units start actively marking enemy positions for their CAS does CAS start getting maybe too efficient, but is that arguably team work? The other balancing factor is sim controls limit CAS to players above the controls skill floor. While SPAA and other vehicles aren't much less efficient at air defence than they are in RB. In conclusion, I believe CAS in ground and naval battles is a more balanced in SB than in RB.

I totally agree with you. I've spend about 1.300h in this game and was mostly interestet in WW2 Tanks and Planes. Therefore I grinded the german, UDSSR and american techtree and gave up grinding pretty fast. I builded Lineups I liked, for example german 5.7 with Panther D and Tiger H1 or UDSSr 4.0 with the I-185 and La-5F. Since then I only play, because I like the mashines and Action, because I realised ,when I bought a bundle with a Leopard 2 Premium vehicle, that high tier matches arent fun for me. Also became the Grind so slow, even with Premium and Premium vehicle, that I will most likely not be able to Form a lineup, where my Premium Leopard 2 can fit in. And now I have a hightier Premium which I cannot use, kinda annoying and resembling the problems with the current game state... lets hope for a better future

This a really good and accurate review, as a player with over 6000-7000 hours, I pretty much agreed with nearly all that you said. The only thing I only disagreed with was one of your ideas on how to make Air RB better. Giving an airspawn to all planes is not a good idea imo, as we have seen this situation with many maps such as the old City map. Attackers and Bombers are essentially screwed when all fighters (especially ones with good climb rate and have a ton of cannons/high caliber machine guns). One of the things that makes Air RB special is the fact it takes awhile to get to altitude and set up, as this allows for potential skillful plays to be made. Not to mention that planes that already have airspawns such as interceptors/heavy fighters with poor climb rates would become obsolete if all planes got airspawns. Like at that point why would you play a Fw 190 A8/F8 when a Bf 109 G6 or G14 could do it better if they all get airspawns, or how about why play a Hornet when instead you could use a Spitfire LF mk 9 or Griffon spitfire if they all get airspawns as well. In all honestly, I hope gaijin would add Air RB EC mode as this would be fix a lot of problems that currently plague Air RB. Yes tank rb is more fun due to the action happening much sooner, though the slower pace of Air RB is what makes Air RB fun sometimes as those who have patience and know what's the best playstyle/maneuvers are the ones who will usually win. Also that the dogfights that can happen, especially 1v1s are also what make Air RB really fun and really tense.

I personally love naval because I have my Bayern and scharnhorst now I'm just waiting for tirpitz and geneisanau

bro attacking me personally with that SPAA one

I love the conpalining against realistic fetures on a mode named realistic

Coming from IL-2 sturmovik 1946, air simulator battles are nice and fast paced

The match will need to be longer because everyone is going to spawn near the end of the match and it is annoying to get nothing after joining the match at the end of the match because you done nothing and you at least get a bit or nothing at all.

Yoooo! @Tymptra when you slid down the hill in the intro THAT WAS ME😂 GOOD TIME BRO

Really wish they would have a realistic air battle mode thats enduring confrontation similar to sim battles / high teir ARB, but give you spawns. Think that would be awesome plus give bombers/strike aircraft a better chance at going after ground targets and fufilling their roles. Would really make the air tech tree grind much more enjoyable imo.

I play both air and ground, mostly WW2 and only thing that I would like them to add would be the possibility to participate with multiple aircrafts in air RB.

I am mostly playing air rb, and even though its not easy especially for beginners, I really like it as you have to understand planes to a certain degree and learn some aerial tactics in order to succeed. Maybe that's just because I enjoy flying irl, but I think air rb is a great game mode

A major issue with sim is that every nation has at least 1 vehicle borrowed from another nation, since every nation has a sherman, and a fair few have panzers and t34s you have to look very carefully just to make sure that that enemy you see is in fact an enemy.

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