The R60M is 100% junk vs 9L, if you take out the 27ER....I want the R73

The key reason why the R-27ER is so OP is because the AIM-7F/M have gotten so much worse. When the R-27ER was first introduced, the main advantage it had was its speed so it would win missile jousts, but planes like the F-14A could win in fights by having more missiles. Beyond the speed the R-27ER and AIM-7F/M behaved similarly and easily smacked planes out of the sky. Now the AIM-7 is much more finicky and dodge-able while the R-27ER is unchanged. The great irony is that the R-27 missiles were extremely unreliable to the point of uselessness in actual combat, but are allowed to behave to their theoretical performance in the way the AIM-7 is not.

"Nations that dont have the ER suffer", then i have a counter point: What about the nations that dont have AAMs at 8.0+, Radar missiles at 10.0+ and mostly any competetive planes like the Mig-29, F-16 or F-14? Top tier air has always been dominated by the nation that gets advanced tech first. First it was missiles in general, then the F-4 dominated for years with F-14 soon to follow. The ER is just one transitional tip of the spear until Gaijin eventually adds the next advancement like MRAAMs and then the ER wont even be a topic anymore. Another point, the ER is not the same as the sparrow but nerfing the missile down to be almost identical is not the answer. Nerfing it down to match all others in its category completely ignores the rest of the plane carrying it. The Mig-29 for example only has R-60Ms as seconday wich are significantly worse than the Aim9-Ls and Python-3s, so should these two also be removed becuase they outperform this one example?

IMHO just add things. Allows more vehicles and more weaponry to be added to the game and for playing since 2016, it gets boring when there’s not enough content. Sure it sucks when more top tier stuff gets added so it’ll take a little longer for those who don’t already have top tier but it gets boring. Feel the game would be great with F-15 and Su-27 in the game as other nations will have better aircraft like Sweden with Grippen, China getting more than just a Taiwanese F-16, etc.

I fly the yak 141 a bunch and there had been times I thought I was using the 27er's but was actually using the r27r and I was shocked at some of the kills I would get. Still an incredible missile.

the phoenix have a differential that the r-27ER doesn't have: 1. is a active radar missile, in a bvr fight you can escape from the missile's trajectory by just going away, and the phoenix do it all while a mig-29 or yak try to maintain the while a phoenix goes to it, fire and forget advantage. 2.the aim-54 don't advise on rwr, even if you nocth, the r-27 can be notchable too, but the Phoenix is going to trajectory to hit, and the r-27 will lose guidance, furthermore the people don't pain attention to the smoke over 40km away if it are a plane or a missile, the mig-29 and yak players pain more attetion in attack in bvr and dont see what will come to then in the end, the ER can be the best sarh in the game but have the same issues that a normal regular sarh

R27ET would be amazing super long range heat seeker would be cool

Agreed 100% just needed to watch this video to confirm my gut feelings after going from the R’s to the ER’s.

Imo the r27er is fine only because the Americans get the F14B and F16, which compliment eachother perfectly. The tomcats can lock down HUGE swaths of the map, and the f16s can go in and cleanup, whereas the mig29 is on its own.

AIM-7P would have datalink and I believe INS as well, so it would act like an R-27 and not explode right away, and also loft in TWS/IRST track. Super 530D should also have the same thing iirc

сами переведёте- когда не будет подсветка ракет в боях, тогда даже самые простые ракеты будут смертельными. а сейчас кругом аркада, кроме сим битв. и чем больше вы жалуетесь, тем сильней нерфят старое вооружение, и накручивают новое. но, игрокам это не понять.

They only got 2 of them..that was the balance justification back then and it stands even now …America has the ability to literally blanket the sky full of death traps forcing the enemy team defensive at the beginning of match….the ER is best missile in game but that’s ok….the ER will probably still be king when the first AMRAAMs come just because the first versions of AMRAAMs where kinda dog shit…u have to pray it’s pitbull capability catch someone not paying attention

The phoenix can be OP if they actually stop by scary of give em ich realistics 20Gs

Mat how do you select/switch the long-range targets?

The good thing with the R-27ER is that it has a low FOV with 1.4 i think so it is good for rear aspect

How do yoy choose what to lock on with the radar the way you do with the wierd marker thing?

Hey R27A R27EA R27EM R27P and R27EP are an interesting topic to talk about especially in context of war thunder please make a video about please I beg you Mat.

So I want to point something out here after watching this. First the R27ER is ment to counter the American AIM-7F/M missiles which planes like the F16 and F14a and F14B carry in droves. Where planes like the mig-29, yak-141, and german Mig 29 carry only 2 of the ER’s. If the ER’s were to be removed it would make said planes in a nut shell unplayable since missiles like the R60m and R60mk are next to useless do to nerfs done to them. Saying that the R27R is on par with those American missiles is more of a laugh then anything. The R27er is being considered op is a laugh when all you do is fly away from the missile kick some flars and chaff do a roll and pull left or right and the missile will simply go on its way. Where the aim-7F/M track way better. Instead of focusing on the migs why not encourage updates to getting the other factions up to date with planes that can compete and before anyone say well there are lets point out that the most common aircraft anyone see’s at top tier is American planes or lend lease ones. I have nothing against them but who cares what the missiles and planes do when later down the road we will get more advanced planes. All this will cause is for german and russian factions to be even harder to get later future gen planes and the rest will just be mere laughingstock’s.

r27er was added just to counter f14 with 6x sparrows. r27r is still worse than aim7f , from 10km shot 7f will reach first , from 30 km 7f will be wayy faster. so a mig29 with 4xr60 + 2xr27r vs f14 with 6xaim7f +2x aim9l. not only is the 7f better but it can carry 3 times more the amount. what they could have done is to add loal for r27r or the ability to relock targets on its own (those who fly straight). atm it would be balanced if they simply add aim7p (it can loft n has ins iirc) or just go for aim120s/r77s etc.

I was watching some streamer who will remain unnamed and him and his chat were talking shit to me on using missiles for BVR at all because "you can't get a ton of kills down low and get a 5 or 6-1 k/d". No matter what the plane they just missile joust low left or low right depending on the map, which works but it's stale imo. Personally I call bullshit that the streamer or the chat is able to get that in normal circumstances without a squad either way. Personally I love using the ER for BVR at the start since it's literally the use of the missile and I don't see why you can't get a bvr kill and then drop for some jousting anyway. It ticked me off kinda that they were so aggressive on this point.

Imho f16 vs mig29 have a fair balance in terms of a weapon systems. Sure, mig29 is much better in bvr, but in wt bvr fights are fought only by people who want to do it. You can just stick to the ground and avoid that phase. Mig has two fox1 that are much better than f16's ones, f16 has 4 nice aim9l which do outperform r60s. A lot of people are whining about great 27ers, but everbody forgets about a mig pilot's pain when he tries to kill somebody with r60s

what they should have done is not put the r27er and put the r73 with the aim9m, they will be flareable but not as much like the others

Might be skill issue on my part but the R-27ER never hits long range (38-40km) at 9000 alt and 6000 alt Aircraft used: Mig29 Any advice?

Enough if ideas what to take away instead of what to add. Thx.

Can someone explain the upgrades of the aim54C since both the A and the C have the identical statcard

How can I even use it?

I wish they could add the AIM-7P to the F-14

No it wasnt ppl just need to stop with the "away offensive" mind,a thing that ive away seen WT playerbase just dont defend going 60° isnt defending and a R27ER is no joke so just go cold and thats it,his range goes to only 12km with a even lower PK but noooooo that playerbase is made by greek gods,they never run,aways offensive ,aways the better one,the alpha and omega...inflated ego is the only thing that kills in WT,that excess of confidence...

To be fair, they kinda do this pretty much every 6 months. Isreal has the best IR missiles, Russia has the best radar missiles, but it seems like theres a different flavor of who has the best thing every few months

Funny how R27 series missiles are insanely good when in reality they're giant pieces of shit. They were never good, the Sparrow E-2 actually not preformed it, it was really bad missiles.

The er was needed considering America is the only nation with fox 3 missiles.

9 months later and this shit can't hit a mig 23 at 10 km range. The fk we're talking about?

Sometimes the R-27ER1 is sometimes shit too.

2:37 I'm going to be angry :)

the r27r alone is already a very good missile not sure why taking away r73s means they needed a better radar missile beats me but its here and what ever now

The Phoenix sucks. R27-ER is a MILLION times better

My question for you mat is if you think we don’t need the ER when exactly was it supposed to come?….the next 2 major patches will be a big jump in tech ….For everyone…..the ER is the equalizer to the 54 spammers causing most of the enemy team to go defensive at the start of match

Russia is just op since they have the best missiles.

Make the Phoenix act like it does in DCS and the problem will be solved.

what postfx you use

Yeah, the whole USSR tree was too much. US and few third world countries would be enough.

Then, the er is worse than the r?

I also have this opinion that the R27ER was too much if they hadn't put him in the game would be more balanced nowadays I don't even know how an R27ET would be in the game would it be even more OP?

Reminder that Gaijin has not adjusted vehicle performance away from claims that are known to be overperforming IRL, and ignore actual wartime performance (looking at ukraine). In a spot where it said a T-90 couldn't be frontally penned, there's an image of a sabot passing right through and making a massive hole through the tank

Oh, look... Chinese bots... how surprising. Good video though.

if only that thing would ever hit for me. I lauch and turn off my radar to not make the enemy flare. Never once gotten a hit with it

dude you are out of ideas right now 😂

Irl the r27 was EXTREMELY unreliable but ofc it’s gaijin anything that’s Russian is gonna get an artificial buff

*cough* russian bias *cough* *cough* Its not that Gaijin should not have added it, they should have not added it YET, its a missle that has 10 years of tech advancment from any other aircraft technology. Not only that but the phoenix shoud be way more powerful, It was super hard to outpull because it was so fast, not only that, the 27er was a VERY VERY unreliable missile (probably due to radars though), it was historicly BAD, (Im saying this because I love russian aircraft)

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