My greatest disappointment is that it has been this long and no one has yet corrected me for saying Ben-Hur is an isekai, when clearly i meant John Carter. Is no one fact checking me? My Warframe Lore Playlist: kzfaq.info/sun/PLVRI7Hc-pawnl8YxoUd7aiUJBS1Zy1qhn&si=CFTvT1NTK6s3WnNP I also want to shout out another warframe lore youtuber: @TheDsEIGE. I wrote a full section disagreeing with their The Dream theory about Duviri, but it was cut for time. It was still an inspiration that helped me analyze the quest, regardless.

This man made a 9 hour video to make his wife understand his addiction. He's playing 4 parallel universes ahead of us.

I just took a psychic damage red crit hearing The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe called an isekai.

so many people miss that the kid in the final memory of "thrax" is you. its your operators appearance used as the child hiding next to the conceptual embodiment that would become thrax. thrax is a vessel for the drifter emotions. its why thrax believes the toy is his. because he believes he is the player. its why the child is darked out in the memories' until that final one where its revealed they are your memories the whole time. the embodiment known as thrax is just filled with the drifters emotions from the accident. a vessel for a child's trauma and thus acts like a child.

The Maws coming to Duviri as a result of you using tranferrance on one during the War Within is interesting. It makes sense, especially since she mentioned that they started devouring eachother, which also happened during the War Within.

It took me way longer to get the quest than it should have. But Dominus was alone and traumatized, so he used the Tales of Duviri as a coping mechanism. And eventually used being a king in it, using everyone in it as toys as coping mechanisms. Then you as his antagonist sort of was his friend that played with him. You wanted to leave him behind as he was quite a toxic friend, but when Teshin came, you not only had Dominus but also Teshin who you did care about. Dominus hated you for wanting to leave because he would be lonely again and have no one to play with. You got angry at him for killing Teshin. And when you found out that he was just a child playing with toys not wanting to be lonely, you gave him playground as long as he doesn't mess with you. Like an older sibling putting their younger brother in his place. Chosing to leave or stay is also choosing between playing with him or leaving him play with his toys on his own.

1:42:14 personal bookmark to continue later After reading about the lost islands of Duviri and some of the horrors they hold it would be awesome if they materialised out of the void during certain spirals like Kullervos hold

Fantastic take. Man, I'd never have discovered a lot of this playing the game alone.

This is a BLOODY awesome video. Youre not just telling us lore, and explaining it. Youre actually guiding us and telling the story in the form of imaginative prose, whilst providing all sorts of philosophical perspectives and fictional comparisons to enhance your explanation and highlight the strengths and significance of this quest. Thank you for your hard work tenno!

This is excellent! I love Duviri and the story around it, as well as the theme of emotional management and how it's implemented. A nice long video going through everything has been really interesting as well as the interpretations.

1:13:11 Surprise Ordis is so funny lmao Will you also cover Whispers in the Walls once it arrives this week?

I love duviri quest what a shame we can't repeat ir 😢

I think the story of the 3 ungrieving children indeed suggest we must be willing to lose to gain, but moreso as a parallel of the ending that soon follows. Where had we given up our old man without regret, we could've ruled Duviri. However the drifter, now allowing themselves to feel, decides to give up Duviri and freedom, to continue the struggle of a life with emotions.

It’s the video I’ve been waiting for for so long and you didn’t disappoint

This is an exemplary video that made me question and reexamine alot of my fundamental assumptions about the dynamics of not just Duviri but Warframe's storyline as a whole. You should be immensely proud of yourself for the extent of content you provide this community and the cerebral capacity by which you discuss it. My favorite part imparticular being the subsection on the commoners of Duviri, I was waiting for you to dig into the boastful kaithe rider the entire time. I totally missed how the children lacking an arm is a total subversion of the long arms of the Orokin and presents an inverse representation of the traits we commonly associated with them, that's a brilliant observation! I can't even begin to venture a guess as to how long an analysis of this degree would take, weaving in both the external cited sources and the speculation of the plot. I only wish that I got your opinion on some of the supplementary material surrounding this update. But, because of that I am left with a few questions of my own. For instance: 1) Most citizens of Duviri are either of the kintsugi pottery reminiscent appearance who were originally onboard the Zariman or deliberately specified as "landing" there from the origin system and retaining thier "human" traits. However, with subsequent updates, there is an exception to this with the warden who resembles Ballas but is "sculpted" like all of Duviri's characters. I wonder if this is conceptual embodiment through Teshin as an outside agent of Duviri, or if when Ballas "died" like Teshin did, Lotus' method of casting him out resulted in Ballas showing up in Duviri as incomplete. 2) not so much a question but with the latest expansion: "Whispers in the Walls" remnants of Albrecht's notes can be found and listened to in your codex. In one, he exposits on his time in Duviri, how he relates it to his Daughter who is Duviri's author and the pride she feels in her. It's vague but he also mentions how there are plans for Duviri as well, and it will be needed in the future. 3) The video extrapolates an outcome for the player character to be the god of two faces or a candidate to become "Janus" having some relationship to the Janus key. But I feel like I disagree with the idea that we're the ONLY character with 2 or more faces. The most immediate answer IS the tenno. Afterall, we have the drifter and the many faces of the warframes we operate. But I call into question the canon of how multiplayer exists in Duviri and whether or not it's a narrative disconnect to facilitate gameplay. Given the events of the New War marking us as THE tenno who shook Wally's hand, I'm wagering that's the case. Your theory also extrapolates on the possibility of Wally being Janus, possessing our form as well as... the dude in the wall who show up in the New War, also showing up with other abilities via Whispers' grimoire. However even then, I propose that there is one other candidate who fits the namesake: most definitely Natah. Her entire backstory is dependent upon the context of her being a sentient mimic, her ability to replicated and change faces, and the significance of the faces she wears affecting the at once the story, her choosen role and the choices she deliberates. 4) I REALLY like your theory on the identity of Dominus Thrax. Several interpretations think that he is some subconscious divided aspect of the drifter, but it ignores that if thrax and the drifter are one and the same, that they answer to different pronouns and honorifics (if you have a female character, thrax is still "king" rather than "queen.") But I do see one aspect in Thrax's flashbacks that is incongruent with these findings. If Thrax really is our younger sibling, then in the Envy cutscene, our player model would be the one being presented with the award on stage. Just a thought. Once again, I just wanted to thank you so much for making this video. I think what DE has accomplished with this game and it's themes of identity are exceptional to such a degree that content made by the fanbase feels alot less like fanart and more like supplementary material in an expanded universe outside of the borders of the software. Many have come and gone for several reasons, but when I see Warframe fans make something, I seldom imagine or hear them as the person playing the game, rather the warframe or in game persona that they choose based on how it's filmed and expressed. Several of these creators present their content in such ways that influence the immersion of the game's world, for instance, about 3 I remember using the persona of an originally created cephalon. Your content, while differing from that in many senses, made me nostalgic for that time period.

2:45:47 I find the old sage's line here being a contradiction to one of the cores of the tale of duviri so interesting. Perhaps his placement under one symbol of enlightenment but surrounded by a cave suggests while his isolation has made him wise there are things he is still ignorant to. Even a representation of how orokin adults knew much but could never learn to manage their emotions?

Really interesting conclusions. I'm very excited [now] to see how WITW/1999 turn out.

I'll be waiting for the wispers in the walls video. I love your content so much

I think the mausoleum may have been Lua itself or at least the part of it that held the dreaming Tenno, the islands disappearance could line up nicely with the Warframes pulling the moon out of the void to protect the sleeping operators.

First of all, great video! I always enjoy your stuff. I'm so glad you mentioned the Janus thing. I've been thinking about it for quite a while and never made the conection to Wally's appearance in the New War, so I always atributed the idea to the tenno. We are Janus, the Two-Faced God of Doorways that stands between 2 worlds: one of blood and steel, our world, and the world that watches and dreams, the Void. It could be that Wally wants us because of this power, so that he may finally be able to enter our world. But as far as we can see he gave us that power, gave us Janus (hence his missing face in the New War). So the question remains. What does he want? That's the question, isn't it, kiddo?

2:44:01 i think what this line means is about belief what we see with our own eyes if we are not under the effect of anything is there , but when it’s something we cannot see like a theory of a deity its the unknown like magic to kids , but being hard set in a theory blinds you to other possibilities if you love it so much to ignore other possibilities its as if your under a spell

Your videos help me to introduce such wonderful lore to my friends and family so very often.

2:44:10 A mind cannot contain a mind. Your lover's mind will always be surprising to you, always more to explore.

As someone who played with this BEFORE the New War, My reactions were "Oh..." "Ah..." and "it makes sense now" watching this video. I enjoy playing this game because someone like me who has a very well self-educated background in multiverse and quantum physics, it is full of treasures unlike anything

That dude in the cave was the coolest part of duviri

And now this video has been completely WATCHED by me in ONLY THIRTEEN DAYS! :D Loved it.

The tenno at the end of the quest is our operator (the young Drifter who didnt take the deal). The quest may have been bugged early on or something because I see what you mean in the footage you have. But watching any videos of the quest recently shows it its the oeperator. As further evidence, if you dont have an operator yet, the child shown at the end of the quest inherits the customization from your drifter, and thats what the operator will look like when you play Second Dream. I think this makes the most sense for the story. The characters are born from the young Drifter's trauma. And throughout the quest we regain our memories, eventually uncovering that we are the King of Duviri (which was hinted at by the way all of the characters act towards us). And with that realization comes the ability to control Duviri and reset the spiral. But good work on the video! I always enjoy your analysis. I especially enjoy all your theories about the Lost Islands.

This is the first time I find you on youtube, and you have quickly become a favourite!

I can't believe I never considered that Thraxx wasn't us. I think I manifested false memories of Thraxx appearing to have our customized appearance at some point.

New SocraTetris video, hell yeah.

I actually played the Paradox before the New War. So I was totally lost during the whole playthrough.

Your explanation of happiness helps me with my clinical depression. Thank you.

The only guy that can connect real life mythology and Warframe Bravo

1:13:09 Before thrax's reign, before even the bleeding earth - Ordis then cuts in, followed by the archivist's description of a haunted man. Ah no, I know that the man is Albrecht?

I’m only 37 minutes in but seriously thank you for the hard work I mostly couldn’t understand duviri the only thing I got from it was the emotions as in controlling them and letting yourself feel them. Very good work bravo. About 1:50:00 I relate so hard to the anger thing I’m guessing it has something to do with autism right?

Begin again? NO DONT TAKE ME BACK TO THE MADRE I CANT GO BACK!

as soon as i saw the drifter dragged by the dax soldiers I said out loud "IS THAT IKORA REY??"

I seriously just wanted to take the time to say thank you for your calm voice during this video. I just had the most intense feeling of rage for the entirety of my morning because some idiot on the internet kept brushing aside what i was trying to explain with "cite your sources" over and over while not engaging with anything i was saying and other people mocked me for it. Clicking onto this video after blasting slipknot to cope with my anger is a major breath of fresh air i didnt know i needed. Kinda like stepping out of a void storm and back into the origin system lol Anyways apologies for my rambling. I just really wanted to express how much your tone grounded me back in reality

Excellent video, as always! It's an interesting take for sure, I haven't thought of a younger sibling being involved in any way. I viewed Dominus as a self insert into the story if that makes sense, especially with the last emotional flashback with the void angel, where the child takes on the appearance of our Operator/Drifter. In my mind, he was a mirror of ourselves, attempting to keep us safe. It made sense, since he doesn't age, which could imply he follows the time rules of Duviri, unlike other human characters present, like Teshin for example. I think the idea of a younger sibling just hadn't crossed my mind due to them never being mentioned in the 'main' timeline, but that is easily explained by them being exclusive to the Drifter timeline.

That was a pretty decent video, SocraTetris. I just wanted to remind you that everyone has their own ways of processing their emotions, and as long as they're finding healthy ways to cope and manage their feelings, that's what matters the most

Only potential problem with Thrax being our brother is we literally see the Drifter CREATING Thrax in the quest, it’s brief but it’s in the moment we see the duviri book iirc. Other than that amazing video and analysis of Duviri, I’d love for you to disect the NPCs more! This has def solidified Duviri as my favorite open world, right next to Deimos (especially with the witw update (which I hope you talk about eventually too!))

2:49:23 i hard agree with the sentiment in this line. To me it's chaos vs order. Chaos will always bring uniqueness. Being unpredictably unkind also leads to being unpredictably kind. It's the spice of life basically. But being predictably unkind leads to routine. Routine then leads to apathy. Apathy then leads to the spiral the quest is all about. That's how i see it at least

That hecking sound boom at the end of the video goddamn i nearly fell from my chair

The other stranger came far earlier in thrax’s reign…. OPERATOR, ARE YOU ENJOYING THE VIEW?

man I felt I have just taken a psychology/philosophy lesson

The hypothesis at the end and the ruminations on Dominus Thrax, is [complex emotions of happiness and excitement].

Saying that this video is enlightening is an understatement 😍

just a mind blow. thank you

2:44:04, I honestly can't describe this one quite as well, I'm restraining myself from flat out telling you to read Umineko no Naku koro ni, which you really should do cause it's peak fiction, it mixes mystery, fantasy, psychology and philosophy woven to such perfection to create a life altering experience. But basically the term "Without love, it can not be seen" is thrown around the story a lot and in different contexts it can mean many things. I think this timestamped quote shouldn't be taken so literally, but rather it refers to one of the many meanings one can attribute to the term I mentioned before.

2:31:18 another thought is he was one of the teachers of the children they were taught in a cave

Im contemplating doing a review/ breakdown of this video from a Taoist & Hindu perspective. You're spot on, on so many levels, but I think one could go so so much deeper when it comes to the spiral as a representation of samsara, the chain of births and deaths and emotions as the signposts of our attachments or aversions that bind us to samsara. I must admit, im only 2.5 hrs in, so maybe you'll cover that.

i came up with a really neat thoery that feels like i just have to change a few identifiers and it would still be fairly plausable. i'd have to look for if it's still up and i don't remember where i posted it but basically the Drifter somehow got turned into Kullervo and it makes sense for Thrax Dominus to be our little brother, whom knowing we are his older brother created the world of diviri. And things still line up with only needing to perhaps explain a bit more detail. But part of why (in my theory) the drifter is being treated brutally is because if he leaves he'll just "become" or "release" kullervo to continue the massacre. This is also why Kullervo is not in Envy nor Joy is because they remember. While we're there for the warframe to use the man in the wall's intentions are hard for me to theorize, i wonder if he just wants everyone to leave the void. i'd have to think about how and why he's attacking those different islands.

Being newbie I thought this quest is just some Elden Ring wanna be spin-off to give variety and keep new players intrested in the game, but after finishing all avalible quests and seeing duviri again in your video a lot of stuff made sense. As new player I think it shouldn't be avalible from the beginning, but at least after war within, because you just getting into sci-fi game playing as space ninja and here comes side quest from mmorpg which you don't know has a connection to overall story. Also thanks for expanding my knowledge of philosophy : p

Thanks for the video glhf

Now I think I see why I like Bombastine, it's not only the voice actor, damn... thanks

The VAs on this quest are so good

nobody: absolutely nobody: Ordis: OPERATOR, ARE YOU ENJOYING THE VIEW!!!!????

I may be over thinking it but since warframe like mixing physics and mysticism, I just think all those within duviri were you at some point but since you are in repeat, those spots can't be empty so something has to exist there then you forget that was you.

I especially love your segment about Mathila, perhaps because she reminds me of quite a few people I know :'D

3 and a half hour duviri paradox video *dont mind if i sleep*

wait what if real teshin did die but before he died the void copied him and this is the "other" like what happened with entrati.

Love the ikora drifter, looks just like her

Was not expecting such an explanation for what I feel like is mostly a joke line from the philosopher, the "if it's stupid and it works, then it's not stupid."

Duviri documentary movie is crazy

99.99% of the community using Raven operator voice

37:00 "hello son, you better study so you can find a job that you are happy working!"

The 22,301 viewers that didn't hit like for this video are still stuck in Duviri.

Anger is a gift.

"You are trapped by your ability to symbolize." This comes pretty intuitively to me as an artist and observer. One of the first things I was taught when I, a self-taught artist, put away enough pride to let myself be taught in a mandatory art class for an elective requirement (I loved being taught and humbled so much that I actually went to uni for art after that degree!), was to distance myself from the brain's Symbolic Network-I learned about what that even is from her. A great example is why for even great artists, the hands are always so hard, is because we're so familiar with them. They're so entrenched in our symbolic network we can't be objective in drawing them; simply put-your ability to create symbols, to create meaningful stand-ins, is interfering from your ability to see how things are. Symbols are not facts, they're summaries. The advice he's giving is to step back, let yourself be immersed, and derive meaning from what you observe without ascribing your own to it first.

Begin Again!

I was so confused when I played this cause I played this really early into my Warframe play through. The mission popped up on my screen and I thought I was supposed to to do it to understand the story better or keep it in order. It wasn’t until I watched videos online and played more of the game that I realized I should have played this way later.

Mathila: Depressed? Skill issue. 💁‍♀️

A theory that I've been thinking that I didn't hear. The Stalker, the one that hates the tenno but can't bring himself to kill them. Filled with hate for the other children, but comes to aid in the New War and Diviri. I'm just saying 👀 that's Thrax

"Operator, are you enjoying the view?"

This will show you how long its been since i played this game. I didn't know there were human playable characters. Lol

It would be really cool if the islands could move. I remember my first experience likening the courtyard and difficulty to the "other plane" in dragon age 1. The islands rolling and strange with a wandering worm lurking. Similar to subautica in esthetic. Now it's just a route as I look for puzzles. loses a bit of charm. Meanwhile king thrax is a binge emotion drinker constantly blacking out. Seems pretty unhealthy, "- respect". The undercroft is so cool! like a newfound monk God who found limitless power but must hold too their calm stasis. Headcannon says the man in the wall needs love. but can only cause disruption in their curiosity searching for an bond only posesed between others. Makes him a weak villan to be following as the big bad. In my head. What is Kuva's foundry? Do we Find the jade light namely tau that lurks in the void? will we see Volt or loki in 1999? Will we ever get a pokemon trainer warframe and stop shoehorning khora and vauban... or voruna? The unum. Entrati, yanta, and the man in the wall can hop across time. Likely before entrati fell , as she said before the "bleeding earth/duviri." What is a children of the void? Is it because multiple timeliness of the zariman populated duviri causing a population of children "of the void"? They definitely were chosen by fate to hold to their teachings in the void. I'm not looking forward to playing it. but the Sentients definitely build something. newfound will or not, they didnt return without using teraforming capable ships. This is a bit grim but it could be the people of duviri were preserved as never aging stagehands in the play. Ideas being: The smiling children, the masolium with whittled bones and proxies. the adventure girl's comments about being someone else. The nurse's story, especially because the drifter/drax has lived through a long time of great tragedy. Grief where you question yourself over and over, king or no. Part of why leaving made the drifter so self destructive. why he never did and why teshin had to die in the climax.

I was caught offguard at 3:17:14 hahaha

The quote from man in the cave about rulers saying conflicting things so people believe nothing is a perfect representation of KGB's interference into foreign nations, as consequences of those rather novel strategies can be seen in contemporary politics. Yuri Bezmenov's interview goes more in depth.

I say this as person who has patch that says "Freedom: Nothing else Matter" so don't bite me. Freedom taken to an extreme outside of John Locks writings of Natural Rights Theory and even the writings Marcus Tullius Cesiaor show that there does exist a part of humanity that is willing to throw away freedom because it is makes things easier. That's were in the writings of John Lock and previous writers who touched upon Natural Rights Theory contrasting it to Positive Negative Right Theory showing that nth degree freedom puts down those who are willing to give up freedom for ease of simplicity while the inverse puts down those who thrive in unfestered freedom: another way to put it is there will always be some who are willing to enslave themselves because it would make life easier while there will always some who will always the chained yoke even if it means death. Comically I think freedom taken the nth degree with some who does not function in the priceable of freedom(IE Natural Rights) is how Attack on Titan ended with Eren becoming a literal slave to the concept of freedom itself because all he knew is the limitation of give and take that Positive Negative Rights Theory gives.

im salty we dont get to pop the void dragons mid air like in the trailer

1:15:34 we do know that albrecht directly visited duviri and that he is connected to it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNOWrZpprsC3fmg.htmlsi=1FdcaaHU2z6PIAO2

25:00 averge bpd experience:

Is your drifter V from cyberpunk

Is it just me or the Duviri soundtrack has some resemblance to Blood and Wine? Especially the vocals.

Omg omg 😲 😱 😲 😱

ah, nothing like starting a video with an uncle iroh quote

damn so like i was right guessing whatever that things name was terra haha i am real gamer

Did we forget who Dominus was suppose to be?

The man in walls wants a finger well in the railjack in the back there a finger in that tank

Why would the Drifter regain their emotions from someone else's memories?

Deviri was kinda underwhelming- i was looking forward to it but idk i having touched it since

You are referring to rational behavior therapy

Listen closely, ok? The sage was right. He spoke truth. If it's dumb but it worked, it wasn't dumb.

you xd i completed only on 1 hour

You know i just realized something Why are their so many British people in this game??

I really tried to enjoy this, but the background audio is so loud it frequently drowns out your speaking to the point I just couldn't listen any more.

so stay in enslavement what typa message is that oh hell naw reverse time but hop the hell outta there thats not a good message to stay enslaved in that spiral fuh that bad story line

Cringe