Loved the added flair, worth waiting for and something you can use again, your Hunhow voice was really good!

I think it was a great addition to the video, it elevated the listening experience quite a bit I feel like, I really enjoyed it!

Your channel won't fail if you put out real effort filled content.

Just me, but I will banish you and any video you ever make to the void for all eternity if I see you put anything that even comes close to being perceived as a quest spoiler in your thumbnail or video title this close t a quest release, and you are one of my favorites, so please stay FAR FAR away from anything that could even remotely come feasibly close to this. When it comes to Warframe quests I have a VERY itchy trigger finger.

@@intalek305 I try my best not to do that...

You're right, it went in a completely different direction than I thought...

When Jade died, i thought he... Attached a feather into his arm... Not putting a towel around his baby and i was like "ow"

Ngl when the corpus halted fire after hearing a baby I took back my entire 10 years of corpus slander because at least they have their humanity when it comes to babies

@@RelatableBlackGuy I feel like only the captain did. the crewmen just did their jobs since they are just people. For all we know she could have been executed already by failing the Sisterhood. She had humanity for sure though.

@@geoczeoszkarthe problem is there are two different corpus,the ones controlled by the board of directors and then the ones controlled by parvos granum,the ones controlled by granum are the sisters of parvos,aka the corpus you see in the quest.

Me too, this vexes me. Do all of our warframes do this too in storage?

@@TheDsIEGEhe’s Australian

That makes too much sense

He's a bat, duh.

The Stalker is unique because instead of mutating a human they mutated a bat

You aren't wrong. Our actions will most likely have consequences in the future, as they have in the past already...

We’re also the most MANIPULATED

Gives new meaning to expression “think of the children” when those kids sit a top countless piles of corpses, only living for fast fashion and the occasional self reflection moment, before moving onto the next shiny thing!

That's because Lotus Said web have to bring balance to te system not to destroy te other factions

Tenno work for corpo a d grineer?

Wow!

Hunhow was sent to tau as a builder, and Pragasa as a destroyer, designed to colonize the new system. He is the "world shaper"

That would have been really cool too

It would have been cool and made more sense, I don’t buy that Ordis can overpower the Stalker

Stalker still has unanswered questions. By design Warframes aren't capable of speaking. So, there's something very different about Stalker and how he came to be. He's ostensibly a Warframe like all the others...

@@ChristopherSadlowski well, considering even older, but still canon, lore - early warframes were very different from "serial" ones. Than Umbra showed us, then if DE want - they can make a conscious warframe, whose own actions are not just in old legends from the perspective of someone who doesn't know how they work exactly. Current lore allows a lot, it could be something wrong with its Operator, maybe they are strangely merged, or maybe it is another wild warframe variant by itself. Last one would be strange, though, every autonomous frame is describe as being like feral beast, and umbra shows us that in addition to just descriptions. In the world of mindcontrol, necromancy, magical acoustic warfrare, already roaring frames (rhino, umbra), etc. being able to communicate with words is not surprising.

Got it, leave out milk and cookies for him.

And His child ​@@hiddendesire3076

​@@hiddendesire3076lol

We may get our chance!!

​@@TheDsIEGE, hope when you do that, won't be the last of your time.... 😁

@@TheDsIEGE after the update I need to now

Nah.

I agree, and I really do believe this trauma is at least in part what the lotus was speaking about when she claims the reservoir drove him to madness.

But what “Wrong” was there ever committed especially if he was doing his duty by going after the Tenno for their betrayal?

@@TheDsIEGEand I want to know what that madness was personally

Definitely a mentor trying to guide the stalker out of his hate. Hunhow will most likely be a key ally against pazuul…

@@TheDsIEGE Hunhow is like Uncle Iroh and Stalker is Zuko.

Yeah, being concerned about Lotus safety from the other Sentients in Natah, Disaprooving of his son's bad influences of a friend like Ballas in The New War, and now helping his adopted son with his sick wife and their child, and talking to him to get his act together. And then to not appear to friendly to us, when fullfilling his dead daughter (step)in-laws's last will, hi HAS to remind us, that he IS the GREAT AND TERRIBLE Hunhow.

@@derkrischa3720yea, tbh hunhow amd stalker getting a redemption arc isn’t what I expected. But I’m curious to see how it’s gonna go.

Grandpa hunhow just trying fix things so the rest don’t make his mistakes

LOL, yeah, it gives a completely different perspective to the stalker. We potentially have... let's see, The man in the wall, Helminth, Nihil, and... well potentially the stalker either living on or with complete access to our orbiter. Add Ordis and the Lotus and these poor kids don't get a minute of privacy.

Add on Kahl's Garrison in the Drifter camp and it becomes surprisingly noisy for our Tenno even in their "off" hours

Well, I sure hope Stalker likes my floof altar, then!

Gianni? I feel like I missed something here. Who’s that?

@@daydreamdirty famous internet voice actor and meme creator Gianni Matragano

Thank you so much, I'm really glad it didn't turn out too bad in the end. I'll try to do more in the future.

@@TheDsIEGE Do what you want to do! I probably said in a comment before but I love your vids, you are one of my favorite WF creators and i really wouldn't nearly enjoy it without your input and theories/Insane Ramblings lol.

So... I might be in the minority here but... Who cares? I'd like the challenge of not knowing if the Stalker "brought his A game" or not this time, and having some badass tenno just wreck me when I thought I was hot shit would light such a fire under my ass to kill him... I don't know, I think that would be awesome, personally.

They still have the code for that mode and have used it on a few special streams to invade players. It would be nice to see it find its way back somehow

​@@TheDsIEGE I like the sentiment of this but this also doesn't account for the fact that killing the Stalker is needed to get certain weapons and gear sets. Having the stalker be a random player would possibly make farming for that gear a lot harder and imbalanced. Also what look would the stalker player get when winning etc since a death by stalker just revives a player and the stalker leaves. If this was added I feel like it should not replace the normal Stalker spawns but instead be a dedicated asynchronous gamemode that is like a condensed and more fast paced Dead by Daylight experience. Have the tenno players split in 4 separate arenas and allow the stalker to freely teleport between them to hunt them.

So why not just give us stalker as a frame!?!? 😅😅😅😅😅🥺😭😭😭😭😭

Wasnt it because it had the same problem as conclave? Extremely imbalanced or clunky to play?

Very possible, but... the orokin too were world shapers... I'll be interested to see if they go into more detail on this during the quest.

@@TheDsIEGE in context of what Hunhow is saying it feels like he is mocking Jade for getting rescued by the "world shaper". Warframes were fighting on behalf of the Orokin - there is nothing to mock about being rescued by an ally. Being rescued by an enemy though...

Would explain why he couldn't speak and only gave out a "Strangled whisper" when he wanted to warn the orokin ...

I think this is actually really significant in the Stalker's story, but I believe it's being told between the lines, per se. We'll see if there's any legitimacy to it but... this kind of stuff in my opinion is what makes warframe's lore and story telling so fun to follow!

@@TheDsIEGE aye, and its the mystery that causes people to fill in the gaps themselves, some even blooming into full on stories of their own. lore has always been my favorite part of warframe, even before the 2nd dream...when the only lore we got....was the jersey shore warframe edition "out of frame: everyday lives of the tenno" Seeing what people take from the game and how they view it

I couldn't agree more. They are the very definition of unconscionable.

Just about every problem in the origin system that isn't the void is ultimately a product of Orokin hubris

@@hrc7715 I see it less as hubris, and more as cruel and intentional evil, usually for the sake of their curiosity or boredom. I can't think of a more evil version of twisted humanity. Some characters with hubris learn from the fall after nemesis, but I don't think the Orokin are capable of that level of self-analysis, let alone acting in a way that could redeem their evil.

None are redeemable? Not even Silvana? :(

@@empty-voiid if you can tell me something that any Orokin has done or said that would negate or make up for thousands of years of systematic evil enacted upon their populace, I would be willing to consider it. So far, none have come close that I have seen.

He Just chilling and it was such a missed oppotunity to have him Protect us lol

Thank you!!! I'm really glad you enjoyed that, it really felt like it needed something.

1. He was too far away when it started (speculation: far enough to eventually reach the Lua and witness his lover being transformed into warframe for the sin of bearing the child of a low Guardian, which was against the law. Quite possibly that was decision of Ballas, and possibly was his own decision to overrule Jade Light. I base it on the fact that laboratory where warframes were created was located on Lua, same place that driven Stalker mad) 2. Same way Teshin and other warframes survived - they just live for a very long time. As we heard from Ordis, warframes are not meant nor designed to deplete their energy, running out of it should not be possible unless warframe is put in extreme situation. Umbra was howling for generations and was still capable of doing so, Protea repeatedly pushed time back to protect Parvos Granum - that left her in semi-alive state he compared to spectre, while Sevagoth had only enough energy to embrace his shadow after prolonged stay in void. Warframe's ability to stay alive is not connected to time, but to dangers and exhaustion they face) 3. Not yet known, although based on information obtained from other quests, and mentions of warframes of past, we can say that original warframes, not yet encountered by tenno, had will strong enough to overcome influence of the Orokin if not immediately, but overtime and were carried away by their own will and decisions (Limbo, Chroma, Titania, Revenant, Gara, Mirage and Dante are the first that come to mind when it comes to warframes with their own abilities to make decisions and I'm pretty sure that there are more mentions then just of them. Stalker, it seems, does not want to be controlled, in the same way Umbra did not wanted to. Based on "children won't stop us" phrase from acolytes, they are not controlled by tenno in the same way Stalker is not controlled. Based on their ability to speak, that was taken away from other warframes (based on Dante's entries we can safely say that Orokin did not desire warframes to be able to speak beyond simple grunts and howls, which is not the case for Stalker and acolytes, but is the case for Jade, which makes me believe that whatever happened to Stalker and acolytes, happened in close proximity, but after Jade's transformation. Was it initiated by them or not is not yet known. But I would say that there is a high chance that his transformation is a result of him being infested with helminth infestation through the process of saving Jade. 4.Warframe powers do not come through tenno, otherwise every single specter would not be able to utilize them and every single encounter with warframe not controlled by tenno would not be capable of utilizing them. There is a probability of those powers themselves being obtained through the Void. 5. As seen in quest, he is not. More then that, acolytes seem to be somewhat similar to his type. 6. Unknown. But it takes helminth infestation. There is a possibility that he and a group of other low Guardians went to Lua either for safety or to reach for his partner while fleeing from massacre. If my previous speculation is correct and he witnessed Jade mid transformation and tried to get her out of contraption that was administering infestation into her, there is a possibility of him and his friends all being exposed to uncontrolled and uncultivated transformation through helminth infestation, without transference bolts, or decisions of Orokin on what their design should be. Although I believe that significant portion of what their transformation looked like was determined by the Void, I can't base such speculation on anything. But if it is, it would explain why they appear to posess multiple abilities from different warframes - if the original warframe obtained those abilities through their personality, acolytes and Stalker most probably obtained them because they wanted those abilities specifically, with only ability that is somewhat specific to Stalker being "return their damage in 1000 cuts", even though similar to ability of Nyx. There also is a probability of them choosing to transform themselves to be able to survive, although that would be kinda weird.) 7. Non of HIS kind hunt high profile targets despite being able to. Only warframe controlled by tenno does that. 8. Tenno specifically remarked that Stalker hates warframes. There is a high enough possibility that he hunts Warframes controlled by tenno not only because of their responsibility for Night of the Naga Drums, but also for who warframes are. If my speculation would be correct, such transformation would leave him mentally scarred enough to try both to tend his transformed wife and do his best to kill every single tenno-controlled warframe (as Hunhow referred to them - puppets, incapable of anything without tenno). Then, due tenno waking up, encountering warframes that were destroyed before but revived by Tenno. That might be another reason why he hunts us whenever we hunt bosses - he might know that we are trying to rebuild a warframe. We still don't know both the story of his origin, nor entirety of his motivation - there might be some unknown variable or hidden layer, or he might have more motivations then just haltered. Either way, we know that unlike Jade that was not able to speak, their child, even though transformed, behaves much more like a human baby rather then a warframe - perhaps there is a chance that their child will be much more free in terms of expression then their parents. That would be an interesting parallel of them being a result of breaking unjust law.

If Hunhow saw Orokin as enemies, why team up with Stalker, the ally of Orokin?

@@aadityathakur27 because Orokin were presumed gone for a long time and the only person capable of ending the old war was his daughter, changed into her current form to tend the Tenno. Only creature that hunts the Tenno, even if said creature does it in the name of empire long fallen, makes a perfect partner.

Also, I did not consider him not remembering Jade's name and information about Jade being lost (thus existing as a warframe) when the slaughter happened. There is a high possibility that Soren didn't knew about her fate up to the point of his transformation, believing that he lost her to massacre.

@@strgn1360 that’s a possibility but tbf for me this quest seemed more like a random drop into a story than a build of something already established. Besides my expectations, it wasn’t something of which I was searching the answers for.

Wow, Thank you! I really appreciate that and yes, I like to try to make the video visually pleasing as well as informative if I can! This week should be a really good one for future content for the video, so definitely visit the channel as often as possible!

You know, umbra is very similar, and he is classic warframe for sure. He can't speak, true, but its because of Ballas. He couldnt even when He was still Dax.

@@nerf1227 something something about "special transference bolt" This is the same question with Stalker now. I don't want to believe that tenno can transfer into Stalker. It'll just become more like Sacrifice 2.0 and I want both Stalker and Umbra to keep their uniqueness. Let Stalker's pain be taken away by his own son this time. Side note, totally random stuff: I always wanted a greatsword fight between Paracesis Umbra vs War Stalker... Now I don't want them to fight each other, but to team up because both of them can understand each other.

@@aadityathakur27 I get your point. Through narativ perspective I agree with you, but lore wise not so much. We still dont know everything. Umbra first reject tenno so possibly Stalker can do the same way. Perhaps sole will of warframe can be enough against void power. Stalker is unique but still a warframe, we for now cant deny it.

@@nerf1227 we also don't know how lore accurate is stalker as transferable warframe in duviri

@@aadityathakur27 yup

I'm going to be fortunate enough to be playing it on stream, but... I'm sure it will be worth the wait whenever you do get your chance to dig in to it!

Boy do they ever, lol

I'm hoping they give us some context about the past, would love to have some actual proof of things, lol

@@TheDsIEGEit was mentioned in warframe Jade shadow that we was going to have shadow backstory.😊

That's a very interesting way to view it, I'd always just thought of them as... well pod babies walking around in warframe suits, but... yeah, it's probably pretty likely the skills of each would vary and thus may have divided them in a similar manner, in the spirit of how the orokin divided the rest of their underlings...

[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

Thank you!!!! and... if you liked those, wait til my next one!

While my head says a warframe, my heart says a suited man...

Man prime

I hope that comes to fruition too... We need another frame like umbra that can maybe fight with the tenno!

I mean... we all knew the orokin were total trash so... is any of this really a surprise?

@@TheDsIEGE just needed that eeeeeextra reinforcment.

Me too!!!!

It could parallel the story we see in The Sacrifice thematically but be a step up in terms of length and separation from the main game.

Then afterwards maybe we could play new levels every so often like with veil breaker, just when we feel like playing as the Stalker.

Absolutely agree with you, I've always wondered what the orokin empire looked like at its prime. I think it'd be so neat to finally see

I'm glad you did, the new quest actually confirmed a fair bit of it for both of us then!

@@TheDsIEGE oh by the way I discovered something, in a video I saw that if you have equipped Jade, Stalker will despawn saying "Never"

I mean... they couldn't just stop that mechanic? Did you notice that if he attacks Jade he instantly leaves?

@@TheDsIEGE can’t say I have noticed that because I did the quest to advance my story and understand of the character. Not see what happens when I attack the thing I’m obviously meant not to attack.

Me too, we went through all the troubles of the railjack launch, it's time to see that big beautiful galaxy!

Given the perspective they give in the teaser trailer I assume we will be to at least some degree

In the description of the video I have a link titled "the Reaper's lament", you can find it there, and thank you!!!!

I actually think that may be a possibility, or maybe were a thing at one point at least.

Bruh

welp-

@@thestarryeyedobserver without spoiling anything.....was I close?

Tomorrow literally can't come soon enough, I'm dying for some answers, lol

I think he was talking about Yareli cause she is the one with the joyful persona

That's what I believe at least!

Fun fact: Umbra in romanian means "Shadow"

even more compelling evidence, yes?

@@akhannar9368 Umbra in Portuguese means The Shadow of a Celestial Body where its light is completely occult.

​@@akhannar9368Umbra in Latin means Shadow too

Big QoL win though, being able to tweak your arsenal right form the navigation map is a game changer

I'm hoping we find out for sure tomorrow

Shadow stalker is imbued with Hunhow's sentient gifts.

They also have different entries in the Index, much to my chagrin as I didn't manage to scan regular Stalker before I got to Shadow Stalker. I've heard you can semi-reliably get normal Stalker to spawn by replaying the New Strange quest, but I may be forever stufck with a blight on my record.

Right???

Ah, but... if say Ballas wasn't involved in his transformation, maybe whatever he does to mute the warframes didn't happen to him, or maybe not to the point where it completely took away his voice. He does appear to have "lost" it, straining to speak when he can

Hey!!! thank you! i was hoping it wouldn't sound too bad. Definitely better than just talking.

NO!!! Not the broken War!!! Maybe with this quest and all they'll boost some drop rates or make it available through a new vendor. You never know!

I can't find the original video I used but... this is the song, specifically at "33:17" in that video (Dualism) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/guCCediHvMu5hJs.html

@@TheDsIEGE Thank You SOOOOO Much. I had NO clue that piece of OST was from the New War.

Ah yes... I remember that grind. It... wasn't the best.

@@TheDsIEGE YOOOO NO WAY YOU NOTICED ME YOURE SO GOATED

Spoilers 1. We don't have enough context to know any kind of definitive time. It could be decades, it's most likely centuries, but... could even be millenia, no undeniable proof available 2. Again, no context given on the awakening of the stalker, and when he changed from a low guardian. 3. The Lotus knows the Tenno, not all the warframes. The only thing she knew was what happened to him when he discovered the reservoir on the moon. 4. Confirmed Deals with the man in the wall - The Tenno, Albrecht Entrati, Baro KiTeer. Very Likely due to circumstances - Archimedean Yonta, Parvos Granum, Drusus Leverian, Vala Glarios, The Lotus, I am probably missing one or two... 5. Stalker? it's looking more and more like he took a directed helminth injection that made him turn into an excalibur type warframe. 6. The madness could be him turning on the tenno, but the "madness" itself is never objectively stated. It's most likely the truth of the fact that the tenno were only children. Most believed the tenno to be warframes, with their physical bodies housed in a cryopod in order to block out the "voices" which are actually the man in the wall.

@@TheDsIEGE thank you for responding back and clarifying some of this. I hope we can get more answers and clarification on all of this, in the future

It's very possible, or worse, his tenno could be dead

@@TheDsIEGE that thing that makes me think this way is how Hunhow keeps referring to Stalker and Jade as if they used to be one(tenno and frame) or used to be very close. His already a playable frame in Duviri which makes the thought of a tenno and their warframe kinda off but like Harrow might just be his body died and his consciousness is stuck in the stalker or we have an umbra type that didn't lose all its sanity