It just breaks my heart how instead of reforming from within, we chose to break apart. (We as in protestants, coming from my former protestant self) I can see it starting to happen even now with the current tensions in the Church. Schism is never the answer.
@Spiritof76Catholic9 ай бұрын
So glad you are numbered among the original Christians now.
@isaiahrodgers50779 ай бұрын
You don't think they tried that first? The Catholic Chrich was literally murdering anyone who had objections to the rife corruption and abuses going on.
@cowsal779 ай бұрын
Prayer, fasting and truth can purify the church.
@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed9 ай бұрын
@@Spiritof76Catholic ,...Anyone and everyone snared into the Godless abomination of catholicism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Christianity of the Bible. Repent!
@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed9 ай бұрын
@@LiliGoof-gh4ch ,...You (catholics) could not possibly be more blind, lost, and deceived. Catholics like the mormons are the accursed of God. You are all headed straight to the lake of fire. Repent!
@PaulFenz9 ай бұрын
Excellent video, brother! I pray for an end to division in the Body of Christ, and for all Protestants, Orthodox, etc. to come back into communion with the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church!
@Solideogloria009 ай бұрын
Rome would have to abandon their false papacy claim for that to happen, as it was during the first centuries of Christianity. The papacy claim was one the main causes of the great schism and schism with the Lutheran reformers.
@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed9 ай бұрын
You are totally deceived. The cult of catholicsm is a Godless manmade abomination. It is the cult of the accursed of God. Repent!
@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed9 ай бұрын
@@Solideogloria00 ,...Catholicism is the cult of the Biblically illiterate, and the willingly ignorant. A manmade cult of the accursed of God.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thank you sure!
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
@@Solideogloria00 “As it was during the first centuries of Christianity” St Irenaeus (circ. 180): “Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre-eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.” (Against Heresies 3.3.2)
@myronmercado9 ай бұрын
I have no words for what Brayden is doing for the Catholic Church. What I can only say is "Brayden where have you been all this time??" You're as valuable as a gift to the Church as the Church is God's gift to you. Thank you for coming home to the Church Jesus founded!
@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed9 ай бұрын
The manmade godless abomination of catholicism has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus, nor the Bibles Christianity. Repent!
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
You’re too kind! Thanks for watching!
@myronmercado9 ай бұрын
As I watch this video, we're celebrating the feast of St Charles Borromeo here in the Philippines. We're ahead 1 day of the US. You'll be celebrating his feast tomorrow. St Charles is credited with helping calm the storm Martin Luther created. What a timely video on the eve of his feast. St. Charles was a Canon and secular lawyer by the age of 21! He founded orders and organizations while calming the Protestant storm!
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
How do you receive eternal life?
@thepic129 ай бұрын
Thank you for clarifying church history and that we’re all meant to be in God‘s one true and holy Catholic Church!
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@donaldjones98309 ай бұрын
The Protestant Reformation was necessary to get to the Restoration of the true Church which was kickoff by Columbus being led to Americas, followed by God kicking Britain out of the continent because America is the Lord’s base of operations. The true Church was restored in 1830 and continues today. When the original apostles were killed, the Church was taken off the earth.
@caseycardenas16689 ай бұрын
Reformation within the church was very much necessary and it happened. The protestant reformation is an unfortunate schism that did not need to happen.
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
How do you receive eternal life?
@caseycardenas16689 ай бұрын
@@_ready__ God grants us eternal life.
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@caseycardenas1668 how do you receive it?
@caseycardenas16689 ай бұрын
@@_ready__ God gives it to you
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@caseycardenas1668 so you just lay around and wait for it? Don’t have to do anything?
@isaacfletcher30679 ай бұрын
As a firm but gentle Protestant, thank you for this.
@chrisflanigan79089 ай бұрын
My favorite part of the video occurs at 13:30 when a coffee mug miraculously appears in your right hand. 😂 It looks like you received an indulgence for your great works on this channel.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Love it. Makes me look hip and cool 😎
@GranMaese9 ай бұрын
Great video! Is sad to know there's people out there that are ready to celebrate separating from God's Church. But hopefully they will return home one day. Also a fun fact: Many separated brothers celebrate Martin Luther put 95 theses as if that was some kind of "drop mic" moment, but they seem to forget [or purposefully ignore] all of his theses were utterly refuted, almost immediately. Which serves us as a great example to remember that, not because someone says something means he is right, always double check, and once one double checks Martin Luther's position, one can easily notice he didn't drop the mic, but the mic fell from his hands. Edit: At 17:54 the text is cut!
@Ellie-wf9sq9 ай бұрын
Protestant here, just wanted to offer my perspective. I recently watched a Lutheran service online for reformation day (not Lutheran myself, just wanted to see what they had to say). You might be comforted to know that the pastor said they do not celebrate on reformation day - they are just as saddened by the divisions in the church as you are. Rather, reformation day, he said, is a day to remember that we need to constantly be asking the Spirit to renew our faith and bring us back to the basics - salvation through our Lord Jesus. We all get off track from time to time, and we need to be examining ourselves, repenting of sin, and receiving Christ’s gift of forgiveness often - both individually and corporately. I think any Protestant who is celebrating on this day does not understand the biblical teachings on unity in Christ’s body, and how we ALL (Catholics and Protestants alike) need to repent for our part in denominationalism’s cause and perpetuation.
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@Ellie-wf9sq repenting of sin is not part of the gospel of our salvation. What do you mean when you say repent of sin and how is that a part of our salvation?
@j.g.49429 ай бұрын
The first thesis is "When our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said, ``Repent'' (Mt 4:17), he willed the entire life of believers to be one of repentance." And the 94th "Christians should be exhorted to be diligent in following Christ, their Head, through penalties, death and hell." I'm not sure you double checked that all the theses were refuted.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thank you! I saw that right after I posted 😂😂 I wish I could edit it
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
@@Ellie-wf9sqI’m happy they didn’t celebrate it. I know in my tradition, we did - as well as Peyton (a Lutheran friend I’ve had on the channel). I’ll have to watch their church service to see what they said, but it seemed celebratory.
@blynkers14119 ай бұрын
I appreciate your charitable approach. Thank you for that.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@thejerichoconnection34739 ай бұрын
The reformation was necessary to fix the Church as a divorce is necessary to fix a marriage.
@jacobalexander41679 ай бұрын
You know divorces ends marriages permanently, not fix it, right?
@thejerichoconnection34739 ай бұрын
@@jacobalexander4167 that’s exactly my point..
@jacobalexander41679 ай бұрын
@@thejerichoconnection3473 so, going against Jesus command was necessary in your opinion?
@thejerichoconnection34739 ай бұрын
@@jacobalexander4167 next time I’ll put a “sarcastic comment” disclaimer
@jacobalexander41679 ай бұрын
@@thejerichoconnection3473 I'm sorry, I had a terrible sense of humour for that one and I was only focused on engaging you as to why you thought so. My bad
@megrose7119 ай бұрын
Truly excellent video, thank you.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@stephenjohnson79159 ай бұрын
Of course, no schismatic admits that he’s trying to start his own church. “I didn’t leave the Church, the Church left me!”
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
How do you receive eternal life Mr Church goer?
@agm85549 ай бұрын
Great overview of the Protestant Rebellion, Brayden! The Protestants may have had legitimate complaints, but they were wrong to break communion with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and to innovate theologically in ways not in line with historic Christian doctrine. That's one thing I realized as I studied the history of the Church. I thank God that I came to the truth.
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
How do you receive eternal life?
@ninjason579 ай бұрын
@@EPH-re2xj Read your bible. Jesus already answered that question.
@agm85549 ай бұрын
@@EPH-re2xj We are justified by faith that works, just as St. James and St. Paul, whom you Protestants consider the champion of faith, testify.
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
@@agm8554 faith and works?
@agm85549 ай бұрын
@@EPH-re2xj No. Faith that works. Our faith must be evidenced by good works to be a true faith, or else it is a dead faith that is useless and not efficacious for salvation from damnation at the hour of death.
@artifexdei36719 ай бұрын
nice work. great to see young people stepping up.
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
How do you get to heaven as a catholic indulgence believer?
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@St_Pablo2989 ай бұрын
Great video. I have wondered about the spread of Protestantism and it’s overall success for the last 500 years. Many other schismatic men came and went from history. Luther and the other reformers took off. On the one hand millions of people have learned about Jesus and I think genuinely repented of their sins and sought after God. I am former protestant myself. On the other hand there are so many doctrinal variations and old heresies made new again in many of these denominations. I guess ultimately why did God “allow” this splintered group or groups become as successful as they have been? Was it ultimately God’s will for this to happen? Ultimately, I think we will all be brought back into Peter’s boat so to speak. I think the era of protestantism is closing. So many evangelicals and Protestants of every sort are entering the church. I just wonder if there was some purpose to it all.
@mememe14689 ай бұрын
That's not quite correct. Arianism was insanely popular when it came about. Same for iconoclasm, the proto-protestant groups, and more. Heretics and schismatics often become world shaping. If we lived in those times we might see them as similar to the popularity of protestants. Something further to consider is the majority of protestantism is unrecognizable from what the reformers created. The reformers did not imagine it possible their separate groups could unite, especially while still retaining their unique traditions. Calvin only thought calvinism was true. Luther thought Lutheranism was only true. All the largest protestant organizations are mixtures of these groups. Also, many are groups the reformers would've just condemned. As a former Baptist I remember once reading about my particular Church in Texas's history. The founders condemned instruments in worship. I could not imagine what they would say if they saw the hillsong style worship they do today.
@patrickdillon91889 ай бұрын
Luther made it quite clear that he did not consider indulgences the reason that the reformation was neccesary, he clearly stated that his novel idea of sola scriptura was the most important reason
@somemedic84825 ай бұрын
Sola scripture wasn’t a novel idea . Study history again .
@patrickdillon91885 ай бұрын
@@somemedic8482 what source of history are you claiming supports Sola scriptura, your response is vague.
@patrickdillon91884 ай бұрын
@@somemedic8482 still waiting for you historical information so that I can share it with my Catholic friends.
@tomtemple69Ай бұрын
@@patrickdillon9188 St Athanasius says Scripture is sufficient above all things
@patrickdillon9188Ай бұрын
@@tomtemple69 yes, he may have said that, you are saying that he speaks for the Church?, rather weak sauce.
@Mojo329 ай бұрын
Doctrine matters.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
Unless it’s false ,,,, then it don’t matter!
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
How do you receive eternal life?
@paulmualdeave50639 ай бұрын
It’s amazing that the Catholic Church is in this situation again with trads and German Bishops possibly heading to schism
@patrickdillon918828 күн бұрын
Really? And why do you think that?
@benjaminshirley9 ай бұрын
Very succinct presentation... Keep it up 💪
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@riccardodigiuseppe86619 ай бұрын
Great video Brayden!
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MrsYasha19849 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video. After a short reading up on what pope alexander VI was doing during his reign, just using the Church as his own power toy for his own gains... just awful. And he did not rise to power in a vacuum, there must have been a LOT going wrong during that time. Not theology wise, but clergy not taking theology serious I mean. The reformation did force the Church to become holy once again. I believe it was a punishment God allowed, because His Church was in severe needing of chastisement. Like God let Israel split into two kingdoms after Solomons sins. (Though maybe you could argue that would fit to the west/east split too, but that one is so long and complicated I need to read into it first). So perhaps the reformation WAS necessairy after all. Not because it was right, but because it forced the Church to be Church again. I don't know if any of these musings are correct. It just makes kind of sense in my own head
@Ekim17409 ай бұрын
But atleast they should not call reformation. Maybe deformation.
@ineedmorestuff9 ай бұрын
Those gosh darn Repu- I mean, Protestants! Appreciate the balanced, well-informed perspective! I agree that reforms should be addressed within the church rather than through retaliation if at all possible! Great vid, dude!
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
Let’s see if you understand what you are talking about How do you receive eternal life?
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thank you sir!
@ineedmorestuff9 ай бұрын
Romans 10:9-10
@YajunYuanSDA9 ай бұрын
"The reformatory movement of the sixteenth century found the ground well prepared for its reception. The cry for a thorough reformation of the Church in head and members had been ringing through Europe for a full century; it was justified by the worldly lives of many of the clergy, high and low, by abuses in church administration, by money extortions, by the neglect of religious duties reaching far and wide through the body of the faithful. Had Protestantism offered a reform in the sense of amendment, *probably all the corrupt elements in the Church would have turned against it, as Jews and pagans turned against Christ and the Apostles."* (Catholic Encyclopedia, article Protestantism)
@jojolities9 ай бұрын
Great video as always dropping my 2 cents for the algo
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@garyr.81169 ай бұрын
No - Necessary or not, abuses or not, Jesus says you still have to Listen to those whom He has put into authority (Mat 23:2-3).
@ninjason579 ай бұрын
Context says Jesus was referring to teachers of the Mosaic law.
@garyr.81169 ай бұрын
@@ninjason57 Correct - those in Moses Seat - His very words - that's who Our Lord had in place at that very moment, **until** Matthew 16:18 and the NEW covenant !!!
@littlefishbigmountain4 ай бұрын
@@garyr.8116 Not trying to be contrarian here, just curious, but what if your bishop is Nestorius and he demands you to perform his liturgy?
@garyr.81164 ай бұрын
@@littlefishbigmountain- I would appeal to the Pope! :)
@littlefishbigmountain4 ай бұрын
@@garyr.8116 Fair enough, that makes sense. Today that would be super easy too, but if your message has to be carried across the empire by foot, horse, and boat, do you perform his liturgy in the meantime out of obedience to your bishop, or do you abstain until you hear back from the See?
@drewbydoo48289 ай бұрын
Protestant Deformation. They got mad the door creaked so they burned the house down and insist the whole building was evil.
@ProjectMysticApostolate7 ай бұрын
Such an awesome video.
@thecatechumen7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@dynamic90162 ай бұрын
Thanks much for this video.
@MaryElaine119 ай бұрын
Wow! This apologist is awesome! I’m learning so much.
@213kidangel9 ай бұрын
Think about these the Prots totally rejected the Eucharist- the real Flesh of Christ!! that was part of Europe for 1,500 years. This is a major offense to the suffering of Christ.
@mathiaswold29019 ай бұрын
Luther didn't reject the precense of Christ in the sacrament though. Zwingli and Calvin did.
@213kidangel9 ай бұрын
@@mathiaswold2901 understood
@frekigeri43179 ай бұрын
Short answer no, you cannot fix that which cannot broken.
@caseycardenas16689 ай бұрын
Thr church was broken and the church acknowledged its shortcomings and failings and reformed. The mistake with the protestant reformation was it sought to do this from outside of the church instead of within.
@ninjason579 ай бұрын
I guess my earlier comment was deleted presumably because I put a link to another KZfaq video. But I would encourage people to listen to Gavin Ortlund PhD’s recently video regarding why reformation was necessary. His channel is called “truth unites” and genuinely wants to help build the bridge between Protestants and Catholics.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
That was one of the videos I had seen before recording this one actually! I greatly appreciate Dr. Ortlund’s kind and pastoral approach to issues like this. In this video, I agree with him that reformation was necessary. However, I disagree that the Protestant movement was where reformation occurred. Nonetheless, I appreciate his input. Thanks for the comment.
@ninjason579 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my who’s clinging to whom?
@filiusvivam43159 ай бұрын
Not necessary. The Church is always in need of renewal. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Jesus prayed for the unity of all of His followers - that they would be One!
@mizzwright39769 ай бұрын
This has nothing to do with the video but I really like your wall crucifix. Can you tell me where you purchased it and what style it is? It's beautiful!
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
You also like to keep Jesus on the cross? How do you receive eternal life?
@chrisflanigan79089 ай бұрын
@@_ready__ Yes, of course - "we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles"
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@chrisflanigan7908 how do you receive eternal life?
@chrisflanigan79089 ай бұрын
@@_ready__ Nothing need be done to receive eternal life, however receiving eternal life with the most Holy Trinity would require the Catholic Church for salvation.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much! It was actually a gift from a friend a while back, but I’ll have to see if he remembers!
@crystalbenavides47237 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@neochris29 ай бұрын
Some day, reunification must be achieved. Every Christian should know to not be proud or feel superior to any other, any true christian should be eager to be the first to ask for reunification. This division, this lack of unity is more sinful than any little theological differences we have.
@AdrianNgHK6 ай бұрын
i had heard that prior to Trent, the Church has recognised the abuses but its reforms were not implemented. I think we cant imagine what those times were like. Luther and the reformers probably feared for their lives as well. Let's acknowledge that God in his wisdom knew we needed the Protestants. St Mary Mackillop hid among Protestants in the period she was excommunicated. Mother Angelica got inspiration for EWTN from the Protestants. Great movies like Fireproof, War Room etc and TV shows like Chosen are Protestant. With the level of complacency within our current Church, God probably willed the Protestants to kick our ass.
@garyr.81164 ай бұрын
'The Chosen' wouldn't have pulled it off without a Catholic Jesus - Jonathan R. ... :)
@hanssvineklev6486 ай бұрын
No, sir, McGrath does not consider Sola Fide a theological novum. He has made this clear in interviews over and over again. The conceptual split between justification and sanctification is new, but that is basically just a change in terminology! McGrath believes that JBFA is a recovery of Pauline doctrine: “It has always been a puzzling fact that Paul meant so relatively little for the thinking of the church during the first 350 years of its history. To be sure, he is honored and quoted, but-in the theological perspective of the West-it seems that Paul's great insight into justification by faith was forgotten.'” -Iustitia Dei
@Kefa...9 ай бұрын
No.
@hamontequila11044 ай бұрын
i agree that reformation was nevesary, but i like to explain what luther did like this “I have an amazing doctor! I broke my hand so he cut off my arm”
@user-qh4dr1vy9d9 ай бұрын
the reform itself proves that whatever the forefathers taught back then is long lost, today what exists is people using the name of God.
@MtCarmel12519 ай бұрын
Short answer: No. Luther didn't have to leave it to fix it.
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SECOND EDITION 1471 The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance. What is an indulgence? "An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints." "An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin." The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.
@Wgaither19 ай бұрын
If you get baptized on your deathbed, you don’t need any indulgences, according to Catholic teaching. Baptism is like getting a plenary indulgence. The Catholic Church got it all wrong, instead of baptizing infants, instead baptize someone near death. No purgatory, straight to heaven
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
@@Wgaither1 the faithful can use them for themselves or others. Ya Money and ya choice! What a deal. Rich man got it made!
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
THE CHURCH IS THE MINISTER OF REDEMPTION! NICE ….
@1611AuthorizedVersion9 ай бұрын
Wow what a bombshell, notice how all the Catholics are silent, I wonder why that is...
@Spiritof76Catholic9 ай бұрын
Show me where Jesus said in the Bible that in the 16th century I will raise up fallible men to revolt against my Church and deny me because I planned to let the Church I established fail. Oh that's right Jesus didn't, he said just the opposite, Mat 16:18, And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. Take the scales off your eyes protestants.
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
How do you receive eternal life?
@Spiritof76Catholic9 ай бұрын
Through Jesus Christ. How do you though Luther, Zwingli or Calvin????
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
@@Spiritof76Catholic how -
@Spiritof76Catholic9 ай бұрын
@@EPH-re2xj Answer my first post.
@juanfumero69519 ай бұрын
@@EPH-re2xjaccept Jesus christ as lord and savior, and when you do, you will recieve the holy spirit which will dwell in you during the process of sanctification. When you recieve the apirit you are saved and now becomo the body of christ on earth which is the true church( a body of holy spirit filled believers), ane not religious or political systems.
@gnomeresearch16669 ай бұрын
No, no it wasn't. May God have mercy.
@Kitiwake9 ай бұрын
In fact Martin Luther "pasted" his 95 thesis on the door of Wittenberg cathedral.
Apparently reformation was not necessary. Have you ever spoken to an orthodox priest with this Q? Talk about hostility!
@glstka57109 ай бұрын
14:53 You doubt if Tetzel said these things. But Luther wasn't condemned for misrepresenting Tetzel, He was condemned for opposing him.
@pete33979 ай бұрын
Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Absolutely.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
What’d you think of the video?
@pete33979 ай бұрын
@@thecatechumen It was ... wrong mostly; then again Rome is wrong about much and you are adhering to those errors. Perfectly fine so far as it goes ;). Responses to your arguments: Reform was attempted within the Church, but the corruption of the papacy and the Curia in tandem with the German bishoprics decided that money flowing from Germany was more important than reform when that reform threatened the cash flow. Thus, Rome was not interested in reform and booted the Reformers out. It was this intransigence on the part of the papacy that split the Church, not the Reformers. Further, only some of the issues were addressed in the Counter-Reformation, Trent affirmed the unbiblical (and unsupported by Church history) doctrines of indulgences and the penitential system that grew up in Rome in the late medieval period and resulted in large monetary flows into Rome and the bishoprics. Rome has moderated some over the last two centuries, but has not repudiated the errors it established at Trent with respect to the errors surrounding absolution and penance. The abuses were the result of Roman innovation (the penitential system including the saying of masses for the dead, etc), and the Reformers (at least the Lutheran Reformers) were attempting to restore the Church to doctrines that were in place previously that Rome had decided to deviate from. Rome innovated and introduced error. The Reformers attempted to a) maintain unity, b) eliminate introduced errors from Rome that obscured the person and work of Christ. Most of the criticisms against Rome still stand and are still being correctly pointed out in Rome's current doctrinal stances. In short, your arguments was occasionally historically accurate, but also repeated various historical errors regarding the stances of the Reformers. So, no, I was not convinced by your arguments and remain convinced that the Evangelical Catholic Church has the correct doctrine that is most consonant with the Apostles and the early Church Fathers.
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment! A few notes: Firstly, the Church excommunicated Luther (and other Protestant revolutionaries) because they taught heresy - not because they protested corruption (as I admitted in the video. Secondly, the Church WAS interested in reform. In fact, again as mentioned in the video, the abuses which were occurring in this time period were reformed by Trent. The Church has always been granting remission of some or all of the temporal consequences due to sin (penance) - which is what an indulgence is. The term “indulgence” is a word that comes later on to describe the already existing reality. Thirdly, following the ecumenical council of Trent, indulgences could no longer be obtained through a monetary donation in light of the recent scandals. Fourthly, for being so against late accretions, it’s a wonder you ever became Protestant. What are your thoughts on the ones I brought up in the video? :) Fifthly: As prayers have always been offered on behalf of the dead, so too the liturgical prayer of the church involving the most holy sacrifice of the mass may be offered for them as well. Sixthly: The reformers did not try to maintain unity. They cared more for their doctrinal innovations than they did for continuing in the Church. That is why they so obstinately continued maintaining beliefs which were deemed heretical.
@pete33979 ай бұрын
Pope Leo X s the person solely responsible for the splitting of the Church. His commitment to money and power over the Word of God led him to destroy the unity of the Church and to dishonestly deal with anyone who found his methods questionable or ill advised. Leo's manifest errors were then compounded by the absolute doctrinal travesty and literally anti-Christ decisions of the Council of Trent which is where the Roman Church truly originated having deliberately sundered itself from the Church Catholic.
@YajunYuanSDA9 ай бұрын
@@thecatechumen "The reformatory movement of the sixteenth century found the ground well prepared for its reception. The cry for a thorough reformation of the Church in head and members had been ringing through Europe for a full century; it was justified by the worldly lives of many of the clergy, high and low, by abuses in church administration, by money extortions, by the neglect of religious duties reaching far and wide through the body of the faithful. Had Protestantism offered a reform in the sense of amendment, probably all the corrupt elements in the Church would have turned against it, as Jews and pagans turned against Christ and the Apostles." (Catholic Encyclopedia, article Protestantism)
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
So you folks believe indulgences remove temporal punishment due to sin? Your religion teaches it? You should be thanking ole Luther?
@Wgaither19 ай бұрын
What’s the difference between doing penances and doing good works, according to the Roman Catholic Church?
@Wgaither19 ай бұрын
Something the RC Church made up
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
"Penance" refers to things done in amendment for past sins. This can involve "good works" generally (acts of charity/mercy). Good works are always done in penance, but penance is not always performed when doing good works. Hope this helps!
@ContendingEarnestly9 ай бұрын
*What’s the difference between doing penances and doing good works, according to the Roman Catholic Church?* Penance is you atoning for your own sins in this life. CCC 1459 he must "make satisfaction for" or "expiate" his sins. This satisfaction is also called "penance." Expiation is atonement. Catholicism also makes the mistake of saying you can atone for sins in purgatory; ccc 1475. All of it is a lie.
@mmbtalk9 ай бұрын
It was unnecessary if you comfortable with the RC doctrines but we must all appear individually to give an account for how we lived! The direction the counsel of Trent took is enough confirmation that the two could not walk together (2 Corinthians 6:14). We cannot pepper over our differences, these are like night and day!
@mmbtalk9 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my exactly your problem, focused on the exaltation of the Church; on the contrary, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians(see chapter 2 :1-5), he aimed to know nothing except Christ and Him crucified! This was a not a one off statement, in (Philippians 3:7-9) , he considers everything dung compared to Christ! So do I, I don't care about the credentials of whatever saint you bring to me, I will only appreciate those who honour Christ and decrease themselves like John the Baptist ( John 3:29-31).
@mmbtalk9 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my Please show where Christ commanded all Christians to submit to Roman Bishops
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my the church, the body of Christ was first revealed to Paul as a mystery …. You will not find the body of Christ referenced outside of Paul’s epistles. Bible fact …. Religion’s man made traditions!
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
Short answer! Absolutely needed.
@Wgaither19 ай бұрын
Why the need for indulgences, when you could just wear the brown scapular?
@wordforever1179 ай бұрын
Tell us about the brown scapular....what is it? what is it for?
@revelation202329 ай бұрын
More like 95 feces
@blynkers14119 ай бұрын
Which one? The first one? "When our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said, ``Repent'' (Mt 4:17), he willed the entire life of believers to be one of repentance." You disagree with this? Maybe the 14th? "Imperfect piety or love on the part of the dying person necessarily brings with it great fear; and the smaller the love, the greater the fear." Do you think this one is fecal matter? I could list others. 0r have you never actually read the 95 theses, and have no idea what you're disrespecting? Reject them or not. But disrespecting historical works of God in the world, even if it was a test for the church, is the work of ignorance. (Jude 1:10 - "But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively.")
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my he was wrong about indulgences? How much have you paid?
@darkijah-andersjehovahsn7893Ай бұрын
No true Christian would ever be a Roman Papist.
@glstka57109 ай бұрын
17:31 It isn't an innovation, it's what Paul taught--For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness Rom.4:3-5
@richardbenitez12824 ай бұрын
Of course reform of the church was necessary. But what I want to know is how much Martin Luther used his vicious anti semetic bias in guiding him to make judgments on reform. Martin Luther was a mental case with some of the most vicious anti Jew writings I’ve ever seen. Yet thus twit is a reformer respected and revered?
@jzak5723Ай бұрын
Reform was necessary, but not a whole new church with completely different teachings.
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
Doing a survey - need 10 responses at least How do you think you receive eternal life?
@srich75039 ай бұрын
Would that be 10 regular responses or would 10 Catholic responses that were not the original responses be acceptable?😆
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@srich7503 10 needed
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
Errybody wants to talk religion but never eternal life and salvation?
@srich75039 ай бұрын
@@_ready__ can you talk one without the other? Do tell…
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@srich7503 Jesus’ harshest rebuke was to the religious! How do you receive eternal life? I can add your version to the list! May you tell?
@gabriellegrechorr83019 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@ProtestantKing79 ай бұрын
The protestant reformation was the most necessary thing in history that needed to happen, Luther was excommunicated, so, technically, the reformation was also because of his excommunication. The Catholic Church is responsible for the reformation not just because of the false, heretical, teachings and practices but because you guys kicked Luther out of your church, leaving him no choice but to reform the church.
@gerardogilsanz11718 ай бұрын
No
@glstka57109 ай бұрын
10:22 To say it more simply, we can't clean up this mess right now, we'll get around to it eventually. But for now we will condemn those Protestants who have ALREADY corrected the abuses in their Churches.
@glstka57109 ай бұрын
13:54 Tetzel was OFFICIALLY allowed to do his scam. The Church did it. You can't cop out that way. This is just a bunch of religious double talk to try to avoid what was really happening. Tetzel was making Leo X rich and Luther was cutting into his profits.
@jaybees57349 ай бұрын
Yes
@glstka57109 ай бұрын
The Papacy is denied by Paul in the first two chapters of Galatians. He starts out "not from men, nor by human agency, but by Jesus Christ" Gal.1:1. "For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel. For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."Gal.1:11-12. And Paul openly rebuked "the Pope", "But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned."Gal.2:11
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
You are not supposed to understand that portion of the Bible …. Stay in the gospels before the cross and where they preached the gospel of the kingdom to Israel …. The Catholic Church claims to be the New Israel!
@biblealone92019 ай бұрын
Paul writes in these verses, “But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood self-condemned; for until certain people came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But after they came, he drew back and kept himself separate for fear of the circumcision faction.” The objection is that Paul’s direct confrontation of Peter shows that Paul denied any notion of the papacy. There are two fundamental problems here. The first is that Paul’s rebuke is compatible with everything that Catholics believe about the papacy. The second is that it is dwarfed by the rest of the scriptural evidence for Petrine primacy and the papacy. It therefore cannot succeed as a “silver bullet” against Catholicism. Let’s begin with papal infallibility. Does Paul’s rebuke show that Peter had no gift of infallibility? Surely not! Protestants accept that Peter was infallible when he wrote 1 and 2 Peter, as God divinely protected him to write an inerrant text. Peter’s infallibility, however, extended only over his official teachings and not to his personal moral conduct. After all, it is not contradictory to say that Peter was infallible when he wrote his epistles but personally erred when he “chickened out” before the circumcision faction. The Catholic belief of papal infallibility is remarkably similar. The pope is infallible only in his definitive, irreformable teachings. He may morally err, but that does not make him any less infallible in the properly understood sense. Similarly, Galatians 2 gives no indication that Paul denies papal supremacy. After all, even Catholics who accept papal supremacy and infallibility rebuke the pope-sometimes in strong terms much like Paul’s. For example, Cardinal Burke characterized Pope Francis’s Motu Proprio (which placed restrictions on the Latin Mass) as a “severe and revolutionary action” and held that this and other related documents caused “distress and even [a] sense of confusion and abandonment.” Nonetheless, Cardinal Burke emphasized in the beginning of his statements that he, Cardinal Burke, “is a bishop of the Church and as a cardinal, in communion with the Roman pontiff and with a particular responsibility to assist him in his pastoral care and governance of the universal Church, I offer the following observations.” In other words, Cardinal Burke’s criticism is in the spirit of a fellow laborer in God’s Church-just like Paul’s, I would argue. His words are nuanced with a recognition of the papacy’s importance. Paul likewise stresses in the preceding verses Peter’s formative influence on him (Gal. 1:18), notes Peter’s divinely instituted ministry to the Jews (2:7-8), and continually refers to Peter as Cephas-the Aramaic name that Christ gave to Peter (Matt. 16:18). Paul also provides a great deal of context for his rebuke, meaning that context is key here. He mentions, for instance, how influential Peter’s actions were on the surrounding Christians, including Barnabas: “And the other Jews joined him in this hypocrisy, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not acting consistently with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, ‘If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?’” (Gal. 2:13-14). Barnabas was Paul’s right-hand man in evangelizing the Gentiles (Gal. 2:9) and even spoke alongside him at the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15:12). He is also an apostle (Acts 14:14)! Many scholars hold that the events of Galatians 2:11-14 occurred after the Acts 15 Jerusalem Council (see Gal. 2:1-10). Thus, Peter’s mere actions swayed not only the other Jewish Christians, but even Barnabas over a Church Council. Paul therefore had to rebuke Peter, and, in doing so, he rebuked everyone else who followed his actions (see Matt. 23:2-3). Paul identifies Peter’s cowardice as the leading cause of the scandal. Rather than directly opposing his partner Barnabas, Paul pinpoints the leader: Peter. Regardless, New Testament scholar Craig S. Keener notes that “Paul is silent about any enduring schism and continues to recognize that God uses Peter’s ministry (1 Cor 3:22; 9:5; 15:5; Gal 2:7-8).” The issue is eventually resolved. Paul does not further the scandal by calling into question Peter’s authority. It should be obvious now that accepting advice from a rebuke does not violate papal supremacy. That would be crazy! The pope’s superior authority over the bishops and his jurisdiction over the entire Church do not mean he cannot be assisted by a brother bishop or that his non-definitive teachings (much less his personal actions) are flawless. Thus, Paul’s rebuke in Galatians 2 is compatible with everything that Catholics believe about the papacy. We are at a point now in the argument where Paul neither explicitly denies nor affirms the papacy. It seems to be asking too much of Galatians 2:11 to refute the entire doctrine. How then do we adjudicate what Paul believed? Well, if Paul held to the faith handed down from Jesus, and that faith contains the papacy, then Paul held to the papacy. We don’t need Paul to explicitly claim that he held the papacy, just as Paul never explicitly claims that 1 and 2 Peter are Scripture, but we accept them as such. What we need is strong evidence that the faith handed down from Jesus contains the papacy, meaning that any alleged “Pauline silence” on the matter must be sifted along with all of the evidence. This is where I think the case for Catholicism shines-the primacy of Peter, Peter’s status as the rock of the Church, his status as prime minister, etc. Even if someone disputes these other points, I think it is clear that Galatians 2:11 on its own is not enough to derail the claims of the Catholic Church. Paul’s rebuke can be made sense of with Catholic teaching.😜😜
@annb90299 ай бұрын
Nope it was not it went way to far
@Wgaither19 ай бұрын
Was the money received fraudulently from indulgences paid back to the individuals? Or did the church spend that money on the building of Saint Peter’s
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
Luther pulled the cover off the issue. No one cared.
@EPH-re2xj9 ай бұрын
See ccc#1471 for the rules and regulations from the play book.
@wordforever1179 ай бұрын
If someone sins in your church do you leave and start your own?
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@wordforever117 just got in the booth with the man and tell him your issues …. He will take care of you. Where’s the money?
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@wordforever117 remember - the ONE TRUE CHURCH is the minister of redemption so says the Catholic rules and regulations
@glstka57109 ай бұрын
9:50 Let's only MODERATLY try to bribe God.
@solesurvivor79899 ай бұрын
He should have become Orthodox ☦
@thecatechumen9 ай бұрын
Which Orthodox Church?
@YajunYuanSDA9 ай бұрын
@@thecatechumen That is like asking which of the 23 Catholic Churches? The differences are on the same level as the Orthodox...
@GoofyGoober3169 ай бұрын
This means that both Protestants and Catholics are the true church of Jesus Christ. Brothers in Christ as long as Christ is the head✝️ “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.” 1 Corinthians 12:12
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
How do you receive eternal life?
@GoofyGoober3169 ай бұрын
@@_ready__ Jesus said he was the way to eternal life and nobody can come to the father without him
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@GoofyGoober316 right. How do you do that? Lay around and wait for it? Do nothing? It just happens?
@GoofyGoober3169 ай бұрын
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my im not relative about Jesus Christ being my lord and savior
@_ready__9 ай бұрын
@@GoofyGoober316 you just say it and it’s so? What do you tell someone on the street or outside of your church on Sunday when they asked about their salvation? Do you have a clear message?