You make a good point. Something else that sticks out to me is that the Church is precisely the messenger that God has sent to be a perpetual witness to the truth. As such, we do not identify the “true messenger” by how much we agree with the message. Instead, we identify the true message by figuring out which messenger is sent by the King. Great points!

Exactly! Sounds like he's trying to have it both ways.

@@thecatechumen i've asked many times if you consider anything comparable to God's Word. nothing. why do you hate Scripture so much?? - like Satan, Scripture exposes his 'church' now as well - perhaps this is why.

@@tony1685in this video he literally said that the scripture is the highest authority and is ontologically unique in its mode of infallibility

@@emiliobazzarelli4270 then the clear and undeniable question is - why doesn't he follow It ??

I don't know what this means?

@@halleylujah247 Hi Halley! Listen to the section on Ecumenical Councils (about minute 36.55). He (the Protestant) basically agrees with the councils when they agree with him.

Isn’t that what Protestants do all the time? Pick and chooses what they agree with and what they don’t want to agree with.

​@@ModernLady I think that's his point

@@ModernLadyyeah, literally the greek word for heresy means to pick and choose.

That’s awesome!! I’m glad you enjoyed it. I was wondering if there would be anyone who cared for the gameplay in the background 😂 Apparently, it’s a real niche that needs to be filled considering the amount of views RZ’s content gets. Maybe I’ll do more of these (cautiously… I don’t want to rip off RZ’s video style 😂). Maybe one day, I’ll play with my son. God bless!

​@@thecatechumenMy fourteen year old daughter enjoys watching Minecraft gameplay and I find that a lot of those channels are kind of a waste of time. I'd love to see you do occasional Minecraft videos while discussing theology.

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Hopefully I would build a 1 to 1 scale Haiga Sophia

There is the AFcraft server.

@@nyxhighlander9894Deus Vult. God Wills it.

That already exists

Sorry. It’s not

Yes, also, this Bible passage single handedly refutes Protestantism. Protestantism does not adhere to the truth that Christ established a single visible institution which remains so to this day. They believe that the Church is something along the lines of the invisible body of believers in Christ, regardless of their denomination (some exclude Catholics). However, this makes no sense whatsoever, because the entire body of believers in Christ is made up of thousands of groups and denominations with opposing beliefs. How can the church, as in the invisible body of believers in Christ, be the pillar and foundation of truth? It must be that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth because it is a visible, single institution with an established set of teachings binding on all believers.

@@_ready__The Bible teaches that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. I assume that you believe that the Church is an invisible body of believers. Please tell me how you interpret 1 Timothy 3:15 in your view of what the Church is.

@@jonathanrivero3424 where do you get your interpretations from?

​@@_ready__your interpretation is also not infalliable

I remember he made an argument against Purgatory, that went like: Jesus comes in the blink of an eye, what happens for Purgatory then? Well, some Church Fathers apparently said that the antichrist’s persecution would be so terrible; that those Saints left would not need Purgation after death; due to the brutality.

@@kyrptonite1825 Brutal

He is not Ignorant he is dishonest like the majority of Protestant

i'm still marveling at how much you cathoilcs ignore the fact that your 'church' mandates sin.

Is Sin the issue

Will do!

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@@luisrios3446 don’t hate me, but I think I worded this incorrectly 😓 I was saying that he is a convert, and he had really impressed me .

@@Jerome616 😅well you are still welcome to come!

@@luisrios3446 I already am 👍🏻😁

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Will do!

I appreciate the sub and thank you!

😂 thanks

Good points! I'm glad you enjoyed the video

For your third point: and how would we know if and when Sola Scriptura "got switched on." Jimmy Akin made this sort of point to good effect in his debate with theotherpaul. There certainly is nothing explicit or even implicit in Scripture alluding to this fundamental, massively important shifting / reset which is to come. It could only come from and would have to rest on... men and their supposed authority!

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It at least supports the notion of Sacred Tradition - that's for sure

He said this in context of people pointing to the church delivering bible as an example of infallibility.

@@razoredge6130if I have a right understanding of Catholicism on this, the argument isn’t that Pope Francis, himself, is infallible. The argument is that when he is acting within the authority of his office that he is infallible. Not everything that comes out of the Vatican carries that level of authority. In other words, the trust isn’t that the people are infallible - the trust is that God provides infallibility when speaking within the authority he has given. This is how Moses, a murderer, can speak infallibly… or Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc…

I thought RZ did while recording, but I'm not sure lol

I'm glad I could help!

Might as well ask the mormons at this point 🤣

No problem!

@@thecatechumenI finished the video, 9/10: not enough Minecraft. But in all seriousness, I would love to see a continuation of redeemed zoomer, because when he was talking about his 3rd point, I kind of gave a bit of doubt because of how his argument felt more like a non sequitor.

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I just tweeted something like this recently, lol. If we, for the sake of argument, don't concede that Scripture is *an* infallible (inerrant) rule, then we force them to epistemically ground that proposition. The reasoning for affirming the inspiration/infallibility of Scripture can usually be applied to Sacred Tradition.

RZ is a Calvinist. His theology makes no sense. The theology of the Catholic Church makes sense and it drives him insane.

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Facts. The “people are sinful” argument against infallibility falls apart when you consider scriptural inspiration.

Prophets were definitely infallible when they prophecied

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Sounds good man! I’ll be sure to watch it. I appreciate your thoughts.

God bless you and your family aswell ,have a Nice day!

Well, now you know! 🤣

Why

I'm glad it helped out!

True! Thanks for the comment!

Some in the comments are saying there is 🤔🤔 I didn't know before starting my hardcore world though, lol

What can I say... I've had a little bit of experience playing in my earlier years before starting this chanel 😉

I'm surprised so many people want this to be a series! I had a lot of fun doing it so I do not mind at all, lol. Thanks!

I’m thinking more and more from all these positive reactions that I might just HAVE to make it a regular thing 😂

sure it is. nothing is more accurate than His Word and nothing in Christianity can contradict it.

What

@@tony1685 his word is Jesus. not the bible. the bible itself tells you not to trust in the bible alone. you sir are completely wrong. Jesus is the word of God. not the bible

@@aubliz1292 _'his word is Jesus. not the bible.'_ - *False Dichotomy Logical Fallacy* - His Word would never contradict Him nor His will. _'the bible itself tells you not to trust in the bible alone.'_ - where is Scripture for this, Sir?

Lol, if he was saying that, he would be accusing Catholics of gnosticism

@ I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he actually meant to say we believe the Magisterium is necessary to ensure proper understanding and interpretation, which is not the same as saying it cannot be understood without the Magisterium.

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God’s image?

@@EPH-re2xj Us

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catholicism mandates sin. does this matter to you?

Name the sin. And prove it is a sin using scripture or a council.

You were not a Lutheran. You may have attended a Lutheran church, but you were not taught Lutheranism.

​I think he was talking about the Lutheran church not the Catholic church bro@@canibezeroun1988

​@@tony1685i think he was talking about the Lutheran church not the Catholic church bro

Please make a minecraft server

It’ll be for Catholics only 😉

​@@thecatechumen cringe

Amen

The church/magisterium

@@noahgaming8833 do you not see the circularity

@@FosterDuncan1 What is the circularity? Jesus gives authority to the Church, the Church has authority to determine apostolic traditions. That is not circular. Sola Scriptura is circular because you are trying to prove the bible from the bible.

@@Coteincdr papacy determines canon and which traditions are valid. Papacy is valid because Mattew 16 the keys are solely given to Peter and he is given infallibility. I believe the apostolic deposit and scripture is the writings or apostles and companions. So obviously you would compare to see whether other traditions are in line. So I will believe any tradition as long as you can prove that’s it’s from the apostles.

You have it somewhat incorrect. We have historical documents, the gospels and also the writings of clement, ignatious, irineaus, etc. Those documents show that Jesus rose from the dead, and established a Church with Peter as leader and with apostolic succession. And that institution was given by Jesus the power to bind and loose. And because of that hostorical fact we can trust the leader of that same institution. And that would no be circular.

The people who wrote the Bible were fallible men, therefore how do you know they’re lying? Who told you the Bible is true? Also, the Bible is a written tradition, it was passed down and copied for centuries, how do you think it was preserved? If you said it was preserved by the Holy Spirit; you’d be correct!! Your reward is an invitation to Christs one true church!

@noahgaming8833 I agree with everything you said except Christ's one true church. How do you know it's the one true church? Again, how do you know they're not lying? I agree that the bible has been preserved by the Holy Spirit. I also agree that the catholic church gave us the bible. However, to say they have the ability to interpret it and have oral traditions not in scripture once again begs the question. How do you know they're not lying?

@@legacyandlegend well, just look at the historical data: Ignatius of Antioch “Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]). The Martyrdom of Polycarp “And of the elect, he was one indeed, the wonderful martyr Polycarp, who in our days was an apostolic and prophetic teacher, bishop of the Catholic Church in Smyrna. For every word which came forth from his mouth was fulfilled and will be fulfilled” (Martyrdom of Polycarp 16:2 [A.D. 155]). The Muratorian Canon “Besides these [letters of Paul] there is one to Philemon, and one to Titus, and two to Timothy, in affection and love, but nevertheless regarded as holy in the Catholic Church, in the ordering of churchly discipline. There is also one [letter] to the Laodiceans and another to the Alexandrians, forged under the name of Paul, in regard to the heresy of Marcion, and there are several others which cannot be received by the Church, for it is not suitable that gall be mixed with honey. The epistle of Jude, indeed, and the two ascribed to John are received by the Catholic Church (Muratorian fragment [A.D. 177]). Tertullian “Where was [the heretic] Marcion, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago-in the reign of Antonius for the most part-and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherius, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled” (Demurrer Against the Heretics 30 [A.D. 200]). Cyprian of Carthage “You ought to know, then, that the bishop is in the Church and the Church in the bishops; and if someone is not with the bishop, he is not in the Church. They vainly flatter themselves who creep up, not having peace with the priest of God, believing that they are secretly in communion with certain individuals. For the Church, which is one and catholic, is not split or divided, but is indeed united and joined by the cement of priests who adhere to one another” (Letters 66[67]:8 [A.D. 253]). Council of Nicaea I “But those who say: ‘There was [a time] when he [the Son] was not,’ and ‘before he was born, he was not,’ and ‘because he was made from non-existing matter, he is either of another substance or essence,’ and those who call ‘God the Son of God changeable and mutable,’ these the Catholic Church anathematizes” (Appendix to the Creed of Nicaea [A.D. 325]). “Concerning those who call themselves Cathari [Novatians], that is, ‘the Clean,’ if at any time they come to the Catholic Church, it has been decided by the holy and great council that, provided they receive the imposition of hands, they remain among the clergy. However, because they are accepting and following the doctrines of the catholic and apostolic Church, it is fitting that they acknowledge this in writing before all; that is, both that they communicate with the twice married and with those who have lapsed during a persecution” (Canon 8). Cyril of Jerusalem “[The Church] is called catholic, then, because it extends over the whole world, from end to end of the earth, and because it teaches universally and infallibly each and every doctrine which must come to the knowledge of men, concerning things visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly, and because it brings every race of men into subjection to godliness, governors and governed, learned and unlearned, and because it universally treats and heals every class of sins, those committed with the soul and those with the body, and it possesses within itself every conceivable form of virtue, in deeds and in words and in the spiritual gifts of every description” (Catechetical Lectures 18:23 [A.D. 350]). “And if you ever are visiting in cities, do not inquire simply where the house of the Lord is-for the others, sects of the impious, attempt to call their dens ‘houses of the Lord’-nor ask merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the name peculiar to this holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God” (ibid., 18:26).

@@legacyandlegend there is also, unanimous agreement on the traditions of not only scripture, but the apostles: Papias “Papias [A.D. 120], who is now mentioned by us, affirms that he received the sayings of the apostles from those who accompanied them, and he, moreover, asserts that he heard in person Aristion and the presbyter John. Accordingly, he mentions them frequently by name, and in his writings gives their traditions [concerning Jesus]. . . . [There are] other passages of his in which he relates some miraculous deeds, stating that he acquired the knowledge of them from tradition” (fragment in Eusebius, Church History 3:39 [A.D. 312]). Hegesippus “At that time [A.D. 150] there flourished in the Church Hegesippus, whom we know from what has gone before, and Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, and another bishop, Pinytus of Crete, and besides these, Philip, and Apollinarius, and Melito, and Musanus, and Modestus, and, finally, Irenaeus. From them has come down to us in writing, the sound and orthodox faith received from tradition” (fragment in Eusebius, Church History 4:21). Irenaeus “As I said before, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although she is disseminated throughout the whole world, yet guarded it, as if she occupied but one house. She likewise believes these things just as if she had but one soul and one and the same heart; and harmoniously she proclaims them and teaches them and hands them down, as if she possessed but one mouth. For, while the languages of the world are diverse, nevertheless, the authority of the tradition is one and the same” (Against Heresies 1:10:2 [A.D. 189]). “That is why it is surely necessary to avoid them [heretics], while cherishing with the utmost diligence the things pertaining to the Church, and to lay hold of the tradition of truth. . . . What if the apostles had not in fact left writings to us? Would it not be necessary to follow the order of tradition, which was handed down to those to whom they entrusted the churches?” (ibid., 3:4:1). “It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors to our own times-men who neither knew nor taught anything like these heretics rave about. “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. “With this church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree-that is, all the faithful in the whole world-and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (ibid., 3:3:1-2). Clement of Alexandria “Well, they preserving the tradition of the blessed doctrine derived directly from the holy apostles, Peter, James, John, and Paul, the sons receiving it from the father (but few were like the fathers), came by God’s will to us also to deposit those ancestral and apostolic seeds. And well I know that they will exult; I do not mean delighted with this tribute, but solely on account of the preservation of the truth, according as they delivered it. For such a sketch as this, will, I think, be agreeable to a soul desirous of preserving from loss the blessed tradition” (Miscellanies 1:1 [A.D. 208]). Origen “Although there are many who believe that they themselves hold to the teachings of Christ, there are yet some among them who think differently from their predecessors. The teaching of the Church has indeed been handed down through an order of succession from the apostles and remains in the churches even to the present time. That alone is to be believed as the truth which is in no way at variance with ecclesiastical and apostolic tradition” (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:2 [A.D. 225]).

@noahgaming8833 I agree that early church father writings should be valued, but at the end of the day, they aren't scripture. My question to you is, why weren't the early church father writings put in the bible? If they were meant to be binding, shouldn't they be in the bible with the rest of the infallable writings? Why didn't the Holy Spirit guide His church to do that knowing that 1500 years after Christ died, the protestant reformation would happen, and the only thing that they would consider binding is the bible?

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@@thecatechumen TIME AND PLACE

Yes, because anyone can fall into heresy

If it was, why good Jesus focus so heavily on creating a Church?

@@brittoncain5090who was Jesus’ earthly ministry to? After answering that and studying God’s word I hope more folks learn how to understand what church is referenced in the gospels. No where outside of Paul’s epistles can we find the one true church referenced …. That is the church the body of Christ. May God bless all

@@EPH-re2xj You could also just explain your beliefs.

@@brittoncain5090 read above and answer the first question using Jesus’ own words and we can begin there. May God bless you all