Hey guys normally we pin the funniest or wittiest comment. But for this one i just want to give a massive shout out to Thom (the true hero of the channel) he knows nothing about 40k and only had my imput to go on, not to mention the Emperor of Mankind has sod all footage and artwork of him is also scarce, so he basically pieced that segment together blindfolded and hindered when it came to material and I think considering that he did a smashing job! Thanks Thom good buddy (please don't end our partnership after the ballache that segment caused you) 😂 -Liam

Obiwan is very underrated...

What if Aemon the dragon knight (with dark sister) vs Arthur Dayne (with Dawn) vs Prime Barristan the bold (with Blackfyre he did kill the last blackfyre) vs Sir Gregor the mountain (with heartsbane, sorry Sam 😭) vs Prime Robert Berathion (with Ice, Good old Ned having his back) vs Prime Jaime Lannister (with brightroar his families lost vilaryian steal great sword) vs Sir Duncan the Tall (with oath keeper) fought a free for all how’d they do? Wanted everyone to have somewhat comparable weapons to spice it up

what was that old quote from an imperial corporal about how vader wouldnt ask anyone to do anything he wasnt prepared to do himself? and that guys grandson (?) later said the same about vader's own fascist grandson, jacen. insert quote about rhyming poetry i guess.

Quick thoughts on each entry 5) The Emperor - His achievements mean he earns a spot but a big part of his success is having the Astartes and Primarchs to do a lot of the heavy lifting so not THE top spot. Creating and using that force though shows a lot of skills. Logistics is a vital part of the job, an area the Emperor dominates all others with. He used the resources of 1 planet to plan a galaxy winning war. I would put him at the number 2 spot for your list. His big weakness though is that he is not actually an amazing general or leader. Just insanely smart and powerful and an amazing tech/logistics guy who knew how to play to his strengths and create the right tools for the job. 4) Anakin Skywalker - I am not personally persuaded. He is charismatic and an excellent warrior but he was never the grand strategist in the way that someone like the Emperor was. Make him a special forces leader and he is in his element. Have him manage the logistics of war and he is going to quickly fall out of his element. Him being a general is a waste of resources. Have him lead the equivalent of the republic SAS and he is the GOAT. 3) Ender Wiggin - The man is the ultimate tactician who has the amazing skill to look for actual win conditions by challenging the assumptions of the games/fights he played. On his game nobody can touch him. Sadly he was brutally psychologically tortured into becoming that good through months of endless training with nowhere near enough rest, isolation and other work where he was deliberately broken and committed genocide (unknowingly) as an attempt to be kicked out because he snapped. At 12! I would put him at the number 1 spot easily if you can somehow not have him be psychologically tortured into near catatonia before he even hit puberty. Him being as good as he is, even with that kind of situation, is frankly a miracle. 2) Admiral Thrawn - EU Thrawn is excellent and worthy of inclusion. In the new continuity though his actual achievements are limited enough that we have to rely on informed ability to get that sense of skill. So for legacy he is on the list, but if we use Disney SW material only he doesn't even get into the top 5. 1) Sheppard - I do not know enough about Mass Effect to dispute any of your arguments. But my impression (ignorant as it may be) is that he was never the commander of a fleet or so on. He led daring commando raids that inspired people and got stuff done. A great skill set, but not the top of the list for leading a war as he didn't really do that. Kind of similar to Anakin, if better at it. The ultimate special forces/rallying point but not the one you want as general. So just from your list I would have Anakin, Sheppard, Thrawn, Emperor and Ender in that order, with Ender being the top dog but willing to admit ignorance may mean I underrate Sheppard due to ignorance so their position is fluid. Everyone else I am happy with their relative positions. But in reality Anakin shouldn't really be on the list at all and probably should be replaced by someone like Ackbar, or say Honour Harrington.

Admiral Preston Cole from Halo.

Shepard could be your number one tactical commander list, but not on a more strategic commander list.

Interesting list. I will say I think you went a little broad in definition of military commander :D. You have grand strategists bumping shoulders with tacticians and for me it felt like it was comparing apples to oranges. Love the format, love the takes, love the characters but I'd love to see a sequel video or two, maybe top commanders (as in general/admiral) best hero's (squad commanders/spec ops) and best faction leaders??

As a hardcore 40K fan I would like to say CREED would better represent a military leadership than big E as Es strength is In phyker power while creed nearly defeated the largest chaos army on one planet

If the emperor got a hold of thrawn then he’d be next to unstoppable (he would be classified as an abhuman as the chiss are an off shoot of humans)

Great video like always

The only reason Thrawn did not win - was he murdered and even that a dubious plot device because the writer was simply notallowed to have Thrawn win.

I must disagree about Shepard. He's a hell of a soldier and an icon, but not a military commander. In ME1, as much as we might dislike them, the Council gave Shepard all the leads. In ME2, it was obviously the Illusive Man running the show, and Shepard would even get outplayed, like in the "disabled" Collector ship. In ME3, the Alliance coordinated everything, and I'd say Admiral Hackett's role is often underplayed. I'd even go as far as to say that Shepard's abilities in leading his squad is mostly due to the personal bonds they have - just look at ME2, if you don't help your squadmates with their personal matters, they die in the final mission.

Great video, kinda dissapointed of not seeing Paul Muad'dib Atreides here though, he was insanely succesfull as a military leader.

Honourable mention: Jacob Keyes. Battle of Sigma Octanus IV. Enough said

You know, I'd actually love to see you guys doing ranking videos for real-life historic figures one day. I don't even know what kind of thing you'd like to judge them for, it'd just be neat 😊

Great video!

Personally I think walder frey pulled a Joffrey and made a mistake by executing Rob stark. Yes kill the men maybe even Caitlyn. But he probably should have hung onto Rob stark until Tywin delivered on his protection promise and sent men to defend the freys. Also Rob could be a useful bargaining chip if the north wants revenge. Considering how much history he has with the north how in merlins beard did he make this oopsie? Is he an old man version of Joffrey? I know Rob stark probably would have eventually been executed by someone. Perhaps at kings landing by Joffrey. But am immediate execution without thinking of the consequences was pretty dumb... If I was Walder Frey I am keeping Rob stark alive and as my prisoner to act as a hostage or bargaining chip and I'm keeping him alive until either Tywin gives me the men and protection that's promised or possibly use him to bargain for my houses safety if the north goes for all our war

I’m so glad Anakin/Vader made the list! I’ll be honest I don’t know anyone on the list outside of the 2 Star Wars characters of course but it was still an awesome video like usual. Now I have 3 new franchises to check out in the future!

If Thrawn and the word "overrated" are in the same sentence, it's because his character was poorly written. Specifically, when Disney writes his character. As a side note, one of the Legends Novels (can't remember which one) asks what would happen if Admiral Ackbar and Grand Admiral Thrawn went up against each other. The answer was, "the best thing Thrawn could hope for is a draw."

I'm not familiar with all the universes in the video but I do like that the winner was essentially the one commander that could get everyone to work together, something that sounds so simple yet rarely ever works.

Anikin did do a few war crimes tio, like surrendering, or asking to negotiate for his surrender and then attacking. The seperists could have ended up taking no surrender, kill everyone

I'd say Revan was a better commander overall than Thrawn and Shepherd. Thrawn because Revan defeated the Mandalorians. He also actually lead troops and cordenated fleets unlike Shepherd who actually a great spec ops officer and diplomat not really a commander, the biggest wins in game he ever got was from getting people to unite under his united war effort. Hackett did the actual commanding.

Ardarmas biggest weakness: nepatisum , made his son the captain of the Pegasus who got it destroyed

About the Emperor of Man, he knew full well the gods of chaos exist, the reason he was so hard into making the imperium athiest was because it would starve the gods of power. And the reason he didn’t tell the primarchs about chaos is because ignorance of it is unironically one of if not the most effective safeguards against it. The heresy and half the primarchs falling to chaos wouldn’t have even happened(at least not in the fashion it did in cannon) if a true believer in the form of erebus(fuck erebus) wasn’t in the wordberes legion. While yeah Big E does have many faults and he very much could have handled several things better(such as the destruction of menarchia and literally everything with how he went about getting angron) he did far better then most commanders, including a few on this list. And it is in my humble opinion that he could run rings around at least the two spots directly above him by the simple fact he has by the time of the heresy well over 30,000 years of experience as a comander, warrior and soldier. Not to mention he is the product of all of ancient earth’s pyskers(and maybe the soul of an old one, but that’s less than likely cannon) souls merging to create the ultimate weapon against the forces of the warp

The Immortal Emperor of Mankind had one big advantage. He was, well, immortal. He could have just said, "Screw you guys, I'm going home." and chilled on a planet until the Entropy brings about the Light-Death of the Universe to claim it was a Win. Shepard was the equivalent to Lt. Colonel James Doolittle in power scaling against the Reapers. He was little more than a needle being driven through the heart of a galactic threat, causing as much damage to that threat along the way.

Aww, no love for the humans of Halo fighting and surviving against increasingly deadly galaxy-spanning threats? Cole, Hackett or Keyes could have been fun figures in here.

What about Master Chief vs Shepherd?

I almost shed a tear when i saw THE Shepard being number 1.

Vader had o respect for the troopers, and he was well known for happily throwing them into a meat grinder to be killed, rather than using sensible tactics. That's why thrawn was a much more liked commander, he didn't "waste" the lives of his men.

What about the master Chief he’s led campaigns and soldier into battle? Or what would you say he is?

Thrawn from mousewars is an idiot, but the real Thrawn was a beast. The original Thrawn trilogy is some of the best Star Wars we ever got.

Sheridan from Babylon 5, was a great commander. He beat Earth, the shadows, and united the galaxy. he should be on here.

You can not talk about characters across random until you have read the Makes an books

Thanks for recognising Shepherd and mass effect most people don't.

Where is offensive bias from halo, defeated the flood which is a pretty comparative threat to the reapers, while facing down 2183:5 odds. Id say that earns a spot on the list but just my opinion. Also the night sentinel commander from doom: eternal could be up there but those are just my thoughts.

Emperor Reinhard von Lohengramm and Admiral Yang Wanli

If we include games Artanis should be at least honorable mention

12:39 I disagree with what Thrawn's weakness is. IMO his real weakness is that success is the only thing that matters to him and so he accumulates lots of resentful, egotistical, and power-hungry people in his pool of subordinates itching to seize the glory from him, thus ruining everything. They would do this even if they knew the entire plan, so that's why I think that your analysis is incorrect here.

Leto II

Thrawn deserves the top spot. You say his complex plans work against him, but thats only really the case in rebels and other stuff like that. In the original books his insane success rate and his good treatment and usage of the people below him make them loyal to his commands even when they have no clue why they are doing what they are orderd to do. Pretty much the only reason he ever looses in the books is because the heros pull some insane stuff noone could predict out of nowhere (at least from his perspective) to save the day. In the original Thrawn trilogy and the new canon one combined he only ever makes one mistake and thats misjudging some tribals, but other than that he has a clean track record. If Thrawn was on the side the writers consider the good guys and didnt get the auto loose through that I think it wouldnt even be a debate that he is by far the best commander

How about you do the other sideof the coin and rank the 5 worst genrals in ASOIAF/GOT and Scfi

Jimmy Space doesn't deserve to be on this list IMO. He just had bigger guys than the others. He didn't really show that he was actually a great Commander.

Good video but terrible ranking. Sheperd should not even be included. A better measuring criteria would be how genius or smart their plans were, not who was successful the most as that is just plot armour. The author can easily make a character win a war with a few sentences, but can he convince you the strategies he used were smart? That is much harder and how I would rank them. Also Yang Wenli should have been on the list

MBOTF, F'KING autospell

Never heard of shepherd

No Optimus Prime?

I'd say Revan from SWKOTOR handedly beats Skywalker imo.

No Rear Admiral Christon Cole? Okay...

Thrawn takes top spot, the only time he loses is because thats what the plot demands

Glory to the Emperor

Fandom not random.

Now we need worst military commanders

Either offensive bias or defensive bias from halo

Yang Wenli sweeps all of them

I'm just gonna say it, I can NOT stand the Thrawn character and do not understand the love he gets. I was initially excited by the Zahn books - until I read them. Thrawn is a lazy character contrived by a lazy writer who used the art thing as his quick fix. It got absurd how he was able to anticipate all the moves the characters made - to the point I was annoyed and realized just how much lazy writing went behind this. He also wrote all the other characters in a lazy faction, especially Han Solo. But the main thing was how Thrawn was able to outwit species because he studied their art. Do you know how many f'in pieces of art there is out for one world. Writing is Art, Music is Art, Poetry is Art, and how many friggin' forms of painting and sculpture is out there. Zahn used a lazy cheap way to make a static character to come off smarter and cleverer than he deserved to be, and that pissed me off. Again, I don't get the love this character gets.

Anakin is well deserved