Hey so you said the main variable you should consider between the two Flairs ( 58s vs 58+) is the wood color and I think that’s not necessarily right. While there is not a huge difference between the machines, the wood assent is the smallest difference. The differences are: - The power cord doesn’t need to be disconnected in a specific way that was necessary in order not to brick the power machine - the piston/ brew cylinder is updated so you don’t have to latch it every time you pull a shot - the non pressurized basket comes with it, normally you have to purchase it separately - the mirror comes with it, something that doesn’t come with the base model. Also the spot on the flair that is magnetic is only on the flair 58 + Again, not huge upgrades at all, but saying the color is the main difference between the two is not true

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I was having squeaking at the hinge with the flair pro. I put food grade silicone grease and it hasn’t made noise since. I had to punch out the pins to do it since it’s not screws like the 58

The feedback during the shot is extremely helpful. It’s the reason I have been using a pro2 and upgrading to a 58 soon.

I have been looking for a good comparison with the regular 58 (2023 version). This one answers all my questions. I really love the walnut accent, but for me, it's not worth the additional cost because I already have other 58mm accessories. Thanks for emphasizing the all black features on the body, it's not being mentioned on Reddit. Now that you mentioned it, I also like the all black on the body.

Hey! I bought a bag of some nice archetype coffee recently and never got it to where I liked it but my last brew I did an immersion style instead of espresso because you can't really mess that up and it was delicious. Any chance you can talk about grind size, and timings for your espresso pull?

Great video to point out why Flair 58 is shiny

Q: What's the difference between "pressed" coffe and coffee from cezve? I do last one and I'm sure I get ALL TASTE from the powder, because it stays in a water enough time.

What’s different between flair 58 plus vs flair 58x?

Do you still have to disconnect the Flair 58+ cables in a certain order to not damage it?

Is there any difference between the plus and the limited edition models. They seem very similar except the limited edition has le accents and the plus has +

Are you able to make the "slayer shot" with thr flair 58 with light roast coffee? Neeed to know this before pulling the trigger.

i’ve been looking and seen one person talking about the silicone heat shield that covers the brew chamber being a tad taller and funnel shaped on the 58+ vs 58x/58. is that the case? and awesome to know the power doesn’t have to be disconnected in a certain way

Are experience misalignment of the plunger from shot to shot? Mine didn’t come with a plunger key. How to adjust it to the original position?

What's better the pro2 and the flair 58+ ?

How much time to wait for heating at the high setting?

I have the Flair 58. On the 58+ does the cylinder rotate ever so slightly on every pull? On my 58 I have to rotate the cylinder after about 50 lever pulls to keep the slots from in the cylinder from lining up with the protrusions on the plunger. When this happens the cylinder will be stuck at the bottom and you will need to rotate the plunger by hand about half an inch in order to grab the inner edges of the cylinder, allowing upward force to bring the cylinder to the top. Does the 58+ do this? Thanks for the video.

Hey question... so what's the difference between the Flair 58LE and the Flair 58+?

it's can be use without preheat cable?

Q: if you pass one portion of water thru coffee powder, can you pass another one? Or one press - one cup?

What's the width for the flair 58+?

can you give a short comparision flair 58+ and cafelat robot?

maybe use mineral oil instead of wd40

Question. With this machine I’m able to make cappuccino? Or is only espresso ? And one more question. Grinder coffee machine that work perfect with this Fleir … thanks , appreciate any tips 👍🏻

Do you have mid shot pressure dropping on this new model? I read on Home Barista web site about this issue with previous model.

How is the crema in this machine? People care about the crema to have the aroma and flavor..

Yes food grade only… not WD 40!

Plunger ate my cylinder, took a few months. i wouldn't call it reliable.

Black gauge surely not a + . Red gauge was just iconic. Hope they retrieve it.

Almost 800 euro for device same simple as juice extractor! Well, plus $10 coil to heat water. Guys, are you mad? $400 is the hottest price with all accessories.

hehehe :) Yes, discount absolutely doesn't affect opinion! Fair action in a fair world. 🤦