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Well if this doesn’t motivate you to lie to your bishop idk what will

Plan ahead, if you’re having a summer wedding, you need to start apologizing to everyone you’ve ever met at New Years Eve.

“You’ve gone to Coldstone for a froyo every day for the last four weeks” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

My partner and I touched our knees together just for the sin of it.

“He can’t know he’s just like...a dentist” killed me bc every dentist in my town is Mormon Love the channel and the work you guys put in!

"Tear-filled, delicate hand-jobs" is not only one of the unexpected and funniest sequences of words I've ever heard, it's also an accurate description of what a non-Mormon guy who dates a Mormon girl can probably expect.

I was having a bad day and missing my family back in Utah, I so glad you uploaded this before I went to bed :) My mom officially left the church publically on Facebook recently and she told me she started figuring it out because she came across one of y'all's church history debunking Kwaku's bad apologetics videos. You are now a part of my family, for the record ♡

Ugh, this is honestly traumatizing. We watched this in Seminary when I was 15/ in 2010. This video scared the hell out of me, and made me feel awful. It made me feel like you could never fully/actually repent. It honestly scarred me. It's wild to see this again. Ugh, it's just so harmful. Thanks for your commentary. 💞✨

“It enforces the idea that sex is a hierarchy of acts.” What an excellent way to frame it!

I’m calling it “bishoping” someone for the rest of my life now.

if there is a god, I hope he hates the control people exert over others using his name.

I love that her clothes got more modest each session too. When she was finally clean she was in a long sleeve plain shirt vs at the beginning a scandalous blue short sleeve dress!

I used to teach sex ed in high schools (the good kind) and the 'hierarchy' of sex acts was one of the things we always pushed students to unlearn! Intimacy isn't about checking off the boxes.

And the end of the story, the boyfriend went on to be Two-Face in Batman and crash a plane into the Hudson with Sully Sullenberg. BTW Aaron Eckhardt was my Home Teaching companion for a brief time at BYU. I remember he was in the film dept. We were the worst Home Teachers ever

These actors are far too old to be believable. Also, the bishop wasn't creepy enough...BUT there was bad original music, which shows commitment to the video. So I give this five temple recommends out of ten.

Raise your hand if you are surprised that this is NOT from the perspective of the guy..... nobody? Me neither.

I remember watching this at church around the year 2000 when I was 15....what a gem..... definitely didn't help with my feelings of unworthiness from being sexually abused as a child. So messed up!

The tone of the bishop's voice is SO, SO creepy. His behavior is so invasive and creepy. The outtakes to this are DEFINITELY him making her reenact her "sin" with him. Soooo uncomfortable.

I really want to remake this shot for shot and fill in the dialogue. "Bishop, I killed someone." "No problem." "I embezzled $500,000." "As long as you paid tithing one it you're good." "I kissed my partner...and used tongue." "Kim, I'm going to have to take your recommend."

Yeah we were always told that if we weren't worthy of the temple, someone would come interrupt the ceremony and announce that someone wasnt worthy 😂

Would you guys ever read the Miracle of Forgiveness and talk about it? I found it on my mom's shelf, and suddenly a lot of her horrible teachings made more sense.

If Godly shame is what she should have been worried about, then the clips of her confessing to all those people should not have been in this film and it should have just shown her repenting. The church was literally contradicting itself in the film. (shocker)

Sam I'm so glad you're here 😍

All my teen years were in the 90's and I somehow missed this Mormon video. This is a total typical Mormon video. I appreciate your commentary because it reminds of why I left that church. Love you guys!

"getting too comfortable...." Tanner, What, they're wearing matching outfits 😂🤣😂🤣

I love what you said about the feeling of empowerment a bishop gets from controlling the repentance process and how that helps him to feel like a congregation leader. So true and never thought of it that way

Idk why my brain went into movie mode and said "kill him! You can't let him ruin your big day!" 😅

I am a 97 baby and I remember watching this. Literally all it did was convince me TO THE EXTREME to never talk to the bishop about literally anything. I lied so much to every single bishop 😅 and I only feel bad because two of them were actually genuinely nice dudes, I just didn't wanna deal with getting in trouble

So, I had this thought while watching this, that the church should watch it and apply it to actually repenting for their racist practices and doctrines. Here’s a few time stamps with important lessons the church could learn: 7:14-Bishop: true repentance is more than just stopping the bad behavior 13:28 Bishop: you’ve been so caught with the social consequences of your mistakes and the worldly sorrow they bring you haven’t left room to consider the eternal consequences. 14:49- bishop: right now, what is your biggest concern? Kim: how can I face everyone?! Bishop: shouldn’t the question be, “how can I face the Lord?” 15:23 bishop: you should be feeling godly sorrow. 15:34 bishop: I think it begins with our ability to see our sins as he sees them, not as we see them. 16:26 Bishop: Godly sorrow is a deep realization that our actions have offended our father [in heaven.] 22:03 Bishop: Godly sorrow is not meant to be a punishment. It’s a purposeful thing. A gift of the spirit, a feeling of sorrow that precedes true repentance. So go ahead mormon church, feel that godly sorrow for your racist traditions, and don’t worry about the social consequences of owning up to it, just know you offended God and need to feel that godly sorrow and view it as a gift from God, and part of true repentance.

As a convert, I really had to hold back laughter when my stake president asked me if I had participated in “heavy petting.” Uhm. I like dogs...?

When i was young, my mom caught me looking at porn, the next sunday the bishop called me into his office and told him his job was to watch over his flock and the spirit told him i might have a problem with pornography. It was then i realized that if the bishop would lie about the spirit.. everyone else in the church would too.

You should have lied Kim, everyone else does

Lol was shown this in 2014 in seminary. Full on. Screwed me up for a long time. And yeah, the reality is actually even more horrific.

That groom is kind of two-faced...

Bishop: That's it? Girl: Yeah... B: Are you sure? G: Yes! Bishop removing hands from under the table: I am very dissatisfied with you! You could have at least make something up!..

I saw this in seminary circa 2013. There are a lot of old cringy propaganda movies that would make good reaction content, like the one where the high school kids learn a valuable lesson about judging others when they see their (Mormon) high school teacher holding a cup of coffee, only to learn that she was bringing it to a co-worker.

Start ✍️ repenting ✍️ 6 months ✍️ before ✍️wedding ✍️

“GONE INTO HAND” 😂😂 I laughed so hard

Enlightening and freeing as always. It's SO refreshing to see what was once "normal" without the rose colored glasses. And you lay it out so well.

I remember having an interview like this when I had sex in hs. They wont let you hint at anything. They just sit there and look at you and wait for you to say exactly what happened and then ask for more details. Ugh. Worst experience.

Glad to see you here Sam! You're an important part of Zelph. (Tanner as well OFC!)

My bishop was even worse. He had really judgy eyes and an even judgier mouth. It took us a year for us to get married in the temple because of him. Could you please do a reaction video of the couple who dies in the car crash before they got sealed in the temple? It is straight up fear mongering propagana. It freaked me out as a kid.

This was a great! Hanging out with you here was a real treasure, and I got to work my way through repressed memories of this crappy old movie too. Thank you!

Omg.. I feel screwed up and damaged from being raised Catholic. I can't imagine how I would be if I was raised Mormon. This is siiick. And you guys kill me, you are hilarious.

2:42 from my education in the language of cinema, I believe the filmmaker's intent by using this cross-fade was to convey that the at this point the sinful woman would've said something along the lines of "blah, blah blah."

I feel like starting a #justiceforkim campaign

I remember this video- it was shown as a warning. “This is what will happen if you don’t bridle your passions” type deal. Then after the fear bullet- they hit you with a go confess now if there’s ANYTHING that needs priesthood intervention. And as the icing on the cake we were told to watch out for impure and unclean girls who might try to trick us into marrying them when they haven’t kept themselves clean. Then they told us that’s why we wear our Sunday best to stake dances and that you can tell a lot about what’s on the inside by what people show you on their outside. So yeah- tattoos are super bad (everyone knows that) but what about a tank top? If they will show you they don’t care about modesty imagine what they aren’t showing you! Great times as a Mormon youth lol.

Mormons: The temple is God’s house God: I’m literally everywhere Mormons: No, only in the temple God: The world is my house, you’re in it all the time, your temple isn’t special Mormons: Shut up, God, this isn’t about you

Omg, this video with Aaron Eckhart when he was still Mormon. Saw this in seminary in the 90s

I just apologized to my daughters again. I mean, we're all out now, but I will feel regret forever.

I remember this horribly triggering video sooooo very well. It filled me with guilt!

I’m definitely guilty of some over the trousers necking

im so glad i discovered y’all’s channel now, i’m really gonna need you to help me get throughly freshman year at byu. I need that cheap tuition but i will be lying to every single church member in power and will not be attending any devotionals

Woohoo Zelph is back in business. Good to see you Sam. Tanner too.

I remember finding this movie entirely compelling. I had a similar experience going to my bishop, delaying my mission departure, dreading the thought of facing friends and family who would all know my shame. It felt like a spiritually enlightening experience at the time, but I'm realizing now that so much of that euphoria stemmed from my perception; which was that God and my parents could finally accept me. I overcame the shame by successfully digging out the "immoral" impurities from my life, in other words I finally felt worthy. Now I see the whole system as one big circle of arbitrarily assigned shame and self-loathing and I hate it. I don't ever want that for my kids.

Sam, I am glad you didn't take a break, you are a wonderful part of Zelph, and I would miss you.

I genuinely can't even watch the video in question the music triggered my anxiety.

You two really cracked me up this time! That song is HIDEOUS! Good serious discussion about the issues the dreadful video illustrates, too. Be well!

I had older siblings in seminary when this came out as part of the other videos made for CES and saw them frequently since my mom also taught it. It definitely instilled a fear of pre-puberty me about the "dangers" of impurity. A year or two before my mission I bought the soundtracks to these videos and listened to them frequently to prepare for it and stay away from worldly music. A couple decades latter I still know the songs too well as well as recall how bad they made me feel about myself (although I didn't do anything really wrong). It's so strange to see these things all this time later and how harmful they are compared to when I would "feel the spirit" by them as a believing teen.

XDDDD 'I bishop you all the time'

Ugh... 90s kid here. We had this video ON VHS tape in my home and my dad made me (only daughter) watch it repeatedly as a teenager. Don't think I realized how traumatizing that was until I started processing it today with y'all. Thanks for that.

The guy is Aaron Eckhart. He left the Mormon Church and now they dont play this video because hes not mormon. Also he plays Two Face in the Dark Night

“That guy” is Aaron Eckhart. And he nailed his one line.

The missionaries should've shown me this video. I would've never chose to get baptized. Before meeting with the missionaries, I considered myself Christian and through much of my younger years I felt such shame and hate for being sexual. Even after I was married (but that's a long story. note the ex-husband was not mormon. he was atheist.) After a lot of shame and hating myself and some really intense therapy sessions, I had this breakthrough and was like no you know what I am never going to feel guilty about my sexuality again. I even went out got my first toy. Fast forward two years or so later and I joined the church. And sure, I knew about the law of chastity but I had no idea the questions I would be asked by bishops after my divorce. When I was married, my Bishop when asking the interview questions was like "well you're married so we can skip the law of chastity question". Honestly I think he felt uncomfortable. He had just become bishop. But I had the impression that like okay they won't be creepy about it... after my divorce and I moved to Utah and was in a YSA ward? Some bishops were really gross about it. And my LDS therapist decided to focus on that as an addiction and not my self-harm. And the funny thing is at the time I was "sinning with myself" maybe once a month with no "visual aids". He even made a plan where I wrote out how I get aroused and at what levels of arousal and I use certain coping mechanisms to sin and engage in my "addictive behavior and act our sexually". He even went so far to say that my "behavior" was damaging my brain. I felt so gross sharing such personal details that outside of LDS therapy, I would have never discussed with a therapist. I couldn't help but feel like he was getting off on it. And while yes, I've had like one or two bishops who were good guys and one even told me "it's not that bad Sara. I don't need to know the details and I'd have no problems with you going to the temple" but by that point I was so hurt and shamed. ALSO OMFG I AM SO SICK OF THE WHOLE COUNT THIS TERRIBLE THING AS A BLESSING. Like for the love of God my mom dying, losing my job, being almost homeless, suffering from mental illness and being hospitalized 3x a year, having seizures and Lupus.... are not a damn blessing or a trial to be happy about. I cannot tell you how many times I was told to be happy that I am mentally ill and want to die all the time because now i'll now how to help others who feel that way.. and sure we can learn and grow from bad things, but we need to stop attributing suffering as its from God. All I've learned in the last two years is that I want nothing to do with a Church that makes me feel like I deserve all this pain. Anywhos, sorry this is long.. its one of those subjects that well pisses me off LOL

Get this...back in early 80's my younger brother was Seminary President and when he had his pre graduation interview with the Stake President, he was asked about the Word Of Wisdom. My brother drank Pepsi and was warned that because of this he may not graduate. Can you believe this? He did graduate by the skin of his teeth. That Pepsi Drinking Seminary President....

This was such a fun video! I sincerely hope you guys make a video like this for Saturday's Warrior one day!

I remember seeing this atleast half a dozen times, it was so cringe. This video was like a reminder to me that women are at fault if they "make us" priesthood holders sin, and the guy could do no wrong because he literally had no role in this. Triggering indeed lol.

I remember watching this as a teen. I think about it from time to time. Crazy how it still affects me. Thank God I got out of that craziness!!

Wow this is exactly what Jehovah’s Witness elders do too.. it’s almost a verbatim conversation.

Feels like yall are back in a groove and I'm feelin these kinds of videos! Love you both 💕💗

This unlocked some seminary memories that were locked in a far away vault. I used to panic about the bishop knowing everything! He’s blessed with the power of discernment so of course he’d know I ate all of the chocolate chips in the pantry and blamed my little sister.

Christian here. I am shocked at this teaching of the mormon church. The bible literally says godly sorrow leads to repentance. This woman is saying she did something she shouldn't have done but she no longer does it (repentance in a nutshell). Most of the time it even takes time to stop doing something you think you shouldn't be doing, so she is a step ahead here. Why the need to shame her? She didn't break the law of the land. She doesn't need to be punished...

Great job! This is so funny and so sad for her and all of us who lived through something like that.

Well wasn’t that triggering....

And not allowing people to have a dirty sense of humour leads to embarrassing situations like the advert of 'Behold I am coming soon' on the side of a bus.' Yeah....might want to rethink that one! 😅

Wretched rag of jizz was my nickname in high school. I feel attacked. 😹

Y'all should do more of these. Reminds me of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Tanner's shirt oh my GOD 🙌🙌🙌 Where did you get it?

Love your guys content! Sam, don’t let the haters bring you down. Tanner, keep building your confidence. You both are extraordinary people and your content has been so helpful in my faith transition, and in helping me deconstruct my beliefs to get to a healthier, less anxiety-filled existence and view on the world/spirituality. Thank thank thank you, from the bottom of my heart. Keep creating and keep talking about these important and harmful issues.

Comparing this to my pre-wedding meetings with my rabbi is so wild. She asked us if we had discussed children, money, how and and where we wanted to live, if we had fights and how we dealt with them, and how we were doing with both our families. You know, like pre- marriage counseling to not get together without knowing each other or having talked about important topics first.

"Sorry, I Bishoped you" was the greatest timed joke ever.

Thank you for your commentaries on this. I love you guys and your blend of compassionate satire and practical sensibilities. Videos like this were a common event for me growing up mormon in Utah. In fact, I recognize many of the local actors, some of whom are no longer affiliated with the church unsurprisingly. The bishop's twisted logic and implication of a narcissistic deity who only cares about being "pleased" by his creations are confusing to young people - particularly those who have compassionate hearts and don't want to cause harm. I'm glad to see you deconstructing these propaganda videos and the toxic effects they've had on mormons for years. The song at the last 20 seconds was golden.

You guys always bring up really good points I had never known how to vocalize. Thank you

I love you both! Needed this video this morning. Thanks!

"tear-filled necking and petting" LOL

In 1994 the theme that was pushed that year in my girls camp was My Body is a Temple and He Doesn't Have a Visiters Pass. Of course, that Visitors Pass was a Temple Marriage, the only true marriage. Later that summer, it was time to have our meeting with the Bishop to see if we were worthy to participate in Baptism for the Dead. The bishop started small have you broke anything in the word of wisdom. I had smoked a cigarette. I did feel sorry about it I wanted to be a good Mormon girl. He heard I had a boyfriend now was he a member of the church. He was not, but his grandfather was. Then he started grilling me about what sexual acts I had don't with my boyfriend. We hadn't even started heavy petting at that point it was soooo fucking pure. The bishop refused to believe me. He kept repeating what acts were considered sexual and asking if I had done them. I continued to say I had not. I finally cracked and told him we were not Catholic, and he was not my confessor. That my sins were between me and god, and only God could know if I was truly repentant of them, not him. Needless to say, I was found unworthy. It turned out the reason why the bishop refused to believe that I was not having sexual contact with my non-Mormon boyfriend. It was because the stake presidency secretary's daughter was pregnant. I was called a liar by the bishop, and I walked away from the church that day. My mother tried to convince me years later the only reason the bishop treated me like that was it turned out he had a brain tumor. I told my mother that was no excuse for him to be so hyper-focused on sex that he called me a liar about it. That is the story of how the 16-year-old me left the church. Tune in next time for a story on how I pushed my seminary teacher into calling me a heathen.

This is heartbreaking. Man made rules. How could anyone fall for this. You don't go to a man for forgiveness. What could she have done to deserve this treatment? Crazy!!

So something my dad told me a lot when I came out of the closet and stopped going to church is " God is not a failed parent." Meaning he would love us regardless of our differences and mistakes and would be a parent before a punisher. On another note, we were told as kids that God tells the bishop about our sins before every interview so he will know if we are lying.

That is one of the grossest videos I’ve ever seen from the Mormon church. I need more 😅😂

Oh wow you guys killed it with the singing! ❤❤

Matching sweatpants in the front room lead to matching short-shorts in the back room, kids!

Bishop's interviews should be stopped! No one should be put in a room alone with a man who asks such personal questions. They are not trained therapist. I know too many who have been traumatized by these interviews. STOP!

Thank you so much for addressing this horrid issue. I remember questions like this when it came to attending 4 years of Seminary and having your pre graduation interview.

I liked better the way a Roman Catholic widower responded to a Monseigneur when he and his fiancee went for pre-marital "counseling." When the Monseigneur began to ask prying questions, the widower (who was also a U.S. Army captain) told him in no uncertain terms -- no doubt with some Anglo-Saxon spicing it up -- to mind his own business and that if the Monseigneur wouldn't, the Captain could find another priest to perform the ceremony! (Who needs a blasted "Temple" or even a "Cathedral" ceremony when City Hall or County Courthouse will do just as well?) (P.S.: I am actually a CHRISTIAN!)

How are you not going to mention the fact that that was Aaron Eckhart as the boyfriend in the video?

The concept of forgiveness is beautiful, but the way most christians think that you have to get there is so messy.. I mean, that video didn't even bother to directly include "forgiveness". It was entirely about shame and suffering for no goddamn reason.

Hi I wanted to go on a LDS mission and had to do 6 months of repentance for kissing with tongue and kissin laying down. Now I’m living with my bf of a year and a half and smoking weed on the weekends... it does get better folks.

so many new videos recently, yay!

I want to see a full music video on that “God Wants To See Me Cry 😭 “ song Tanner was jamming to at the end 😂