Going to watch it anyway I just offended by the title

I gotta say “Mediocre Filler Arc Writing Vibes” you know? There’s some great fun stuff that should’ve been in the manga or anime But instead it’s just in this filler arc turned into a movie… that’s even my speculation of how it becomes a movie… Got wonderful stuff to elaborate on some characters but then more stuff happening is never explained… How would they know Kakarot cheated when lethal force was being exercised within the tournament against the rules…? If he doesn’t save Gohan then the earths probably screwed unless Vegeta and trunks somehow work stuff out & get SSJ2 figured out properly… even if Vegeta is bummed out I don’t think he’d ever give up on training… Bulma would probably get concerned or angry… but I guess maybe part of the development here is “Vegeta is laughing at his kid needing to transform against people who can’t transform” but Trunks is Transforming when he needs it to be at a comparable level that seems Mysteriously Above Regular SuperSaiyan but doubling your spikier more electrically generative super saiyan form will AutoDestroy All Villains functionally… which kinda makes them feel less relevant if treated like Cell Juniors… Wait is Gohan able to make the Kí inside someone else simply Explode or something through a punch or slash like handchop with the electrical energy? I’m thinking like a Filler Writer that knows cool visuals and whatnot will sell stuff and this is how we’d write these characters cause toriyama says they’re probably blah blah something they turn to something totally different or think they already did… cause they have a new gag bit and so on… I wonder what he thought at the time and which criticisms of the film or choices by the film made him choose different ways of showing some characterisation and also later filler writing teams etc. and some are enjoyable as their own art form having to write around a story without any of it explained as much as you like… though sometimes it feels like they have only one person that even knows the story’s lore in the writing room… but that’s only a proper issue in western film these days hehehe… But I love defendable filler arcs with that vibe of “don’t skip this filler here… it Should be canon and supposedly is Partially Canon…” like in One Piece… some Bleach Stuff is Just Interesting! I wonder how that forced certain expectations from the fanbase & how it impacted certain choices relative to original intent cause of the zánpákūtō rebellion arc & so on… Now with Ôètsū Nìmàïyà’s and all that complicated female sword people stuff that are fully manifest like the way Kenny may have now lost the Physical Body of his Bánkaî which was probably meant to handle defence and assists but that’s not Kenny’s style… how’d I get to late bleach stuff? Do excuse the rambles… some meds got me hurling subconscious all over the place… occasional occurrences of Lulz can sometimes occur in some readers… sometimes people using speak function… which is why I write Sásūké so things don’t Sasuke… or even straight up “SæhSúck-E!” & that’s just inexcusable as someone that listens to my words as written by whichever regional English lady I can get outta SpeakFunction… Ah, & Bojack COULD HAVE been made interesting if they expanded on any lore about him that made them feel cool or threatening in compelling ways… but then people would complain about canon villains potentially so they remove some ideas & exposition before it can be written into a scene in drafts… who knows? Film Length Mediocre Filler Arc Writing functional Short Filler Arc… Never found Bojack Interesting but Could Have if he had interesting cool lore… It’s like an arc that only Toyotaro would be allowed to make because of understanding different aspects of the DragonBall Fanbase etc and knowing how to write good fanfictions that feel real relative to some bad filler arc writing some shows get… There’s Wasted Potential you know? Like bounts in bleach which isn’t as bad as some claim unless you’re waiting through filler arcs you can’t stand… Sometimes I feel there should be an official designation for when something is non canonical in fictional media or that it doesn’t belong to the writer’s intentions for their story but TV Writers that only sometimes know what they’re doing or whatever… but now I’m talking more than DragonBall movie writing issues aren’t I? Never mind it, yeah?… : D

​@@DrJackSheltonwtf 🤣

@@DrJackShelton Just a whole lot of crap. The movie was great

@@human3213 hehe I was only rambling unrealistic expectations of what Can feel like a classic if you watch with the right mindset… but the criticisms everyone makes are still fair… Who doesn’t think it could’ve done better in expanding & exploring the characters so stuff feels more personal? & I don’t even like mainstream Hollywood storytelling 90+% of the time in general! It’s fair to love it but I don’t even know if I stand by whatever I said about a mediocre smaller budget anime movie that I’m sure I thought was awesome the first few times I saw it 15 years ago… But no offence intended by anything I said… unless you’re Bojack or something… in which case I’d sympathise, I guess?

Twice lol

The goku bad dad allegations come from a generation that watches anime through TikTok reels. Or only watched dbza by tfs

@@ShonenGoon I'm not so sure. Some of the "old guard" of DBZ youtubers in the mid 2010s were perpetuating the same idea

​@@KSmanderes yeah and there saying that because its the popular opinion not the truth

Yeah but it’s not cannon 😂

At this point i refuse to even acknowledge Evolution as an actual dbz movie

Facts

We don’t talk about that in the streets

Dragonball Evolution was awesome 😎 you jerk

Dragon ball Evolution It's called that because "Its evolving....But backwards"

I think people forget you can’t just walk into heaven

Actually the lore was that The Bojack gang was imprisoned in a space locked behind the Kai planets and the seal was broken when Goku brought cell to north Kai’s planet and destroyed it. Them having a vendetta against Goku makes no sense, but against the kais yes

all the post-android saga movies had great animation. stories are iffy though.

Was just gonna comment this, animation looks clean af!

Yeah I think bio broly takes that title

@@nicholasrolack1017 nah, second coming does. Bio Broly lowkey mid at worst

​@@ScapeVEVOopinion rejected u said bio broly is better than broly 2nd coming

​@@ScapeVEVO L take. At least Second Coming had fire scenes and felt funny at times. Mid, yes, but bio Broly is straight trash.

@@egoistagattoildiofelino7942 There was nothing fire about second coming bruh, and the only thing funny was how stupid Gohan looked taking a nap after thinking BROLY would die in some regular ass lava, then the Piccolo-save fake out, and seeing Krillin in Unc's fit. Everything else in Second Coming was boring, the art and colors were washed out, the "fights" (Goten and Trunks goofing off and a piss joke) were frustrating and unappealing and didn't even get better when Gohan decided randomly to show up from whatever the hell he was doing flying over the ocean in the other direction, the music style was overplayed by this movie, and the family kamehameha's fr not even good. Goku shows up, with a purposely vague explanation, just for some bs finisher where they didn't even have the decency to let Trunks contribute in the same way his father did against Cell, as his attack did nothing. It was an unearned finale. They didn't even beat Broly in a smart way, like in the first one at least you can say his power was becoming too much for his body, and in Bio Broly there's a really great strategy too, but in this movie Goku just bails them out when Gohan is WEAKER than he was against Cell, Goten isn't much better, and Broly should realistically only be THAT much stronger since their last fight. They never stood a chance and the movie is the worst of the original 13. I'll die on that hill. Broly wasn't good enough for me to care about his sludge form in 3, I thought the film was only better for trashing the already trash movie character. Super Broly clears all 3 and especially clears og Broly in terms of everything but his edginess.

IT! IS! MID!

Oh yea from beginning to end this movie is the best one yet.

Ayo the funny thing is, I thought I deleted this, because I originally thought it was Fusion Reborn from the opening. I left this up here huh 😂🤣

@@TSO_Sage I pray that you survive watching Dragon Ball Evolution if you considered the Bojack Movie to be Mid.

nobody missed it gang 😂 everyone knows everything mentioned. execution & motives are still wonky at best

He's just standing here but intervened anyways? Tf? He literally broke the whole logic of Dragon Ball for a cheap attempt of an emotional moment.

​@@randomyoutuberobot3247 who's to say he can't do it? Instant transmission can get him to other world from the living realm why couldn't he do the same but while he's dead? The only reason he doesn't do this all the time is probably because he'd get his body taken away from him and would become a spirit. The idea of him coming back from otherworld while already dead isn't that far fetched as long as he has his body.

this just isn’t true my guy. hell there’s some movies like BoG or Fusion Reborn where the introduction IS the villain or their origin story lol

@@TSO_Sage solid take but the fusion reborn movie & BOG is kinda mickey because the villain isn’t a villain before he was infected by that gas & that movie is only 50 minutes so it would make sense to introduce the villain earlier . I’ll still give you that one but is beerus really even a villain😭😂 Definitely an antagonist & you’re right about how that movie started but I would argue that they had to do that considering they took the longest hiatus from making a dragon ball film around that time also. Considering the original broly movie was 1 hour n 15 compared to Super Broly which was 1 hour n 41 minutes. The original waited before showing us the legendary super saiyan, & the Super version is how you’re describing BOG & Fusion reborn . I’d still argue that it’s only because Dragon ball super movies are giving us old villains so they can’t move at a snails pace when we’ve already been thru these villains before ya know ?

​@@AM2THEPMStill, it's bad writing to randomly introduce him over halfway in and just have a shitty exposition dump.

Nah everyone hates that some people act like this is a good movie because they like bojack most db movies kinda suck

​@@mininggypsy499How many other Shonen movies in the 90's were any better than the Z movies? It's pretty good for something barely the length of two episodes of DBS

how is second coming back? i thought it was great

@@mininggypsy499i like it 😭

​@omnipot7141 nah Videl taking shots from Broly makes no sense, just like the plot of that movie.

All the movies are redos of some arc in the show. This has been consistent for almost all except like Broly? 😊

There’s a difference between fighting to kill and fighting for money/fun

@ray0064 that's not fighting for fun/money, that's fighting when you know Noone can match you. Yu either like to do something or u don't. The competition doesn't change that.

@@tipjrjr326 Chichi is a single mother now with two kids to support. You see how her attitude about Gohan entering the tournament in the Buu saga changed when he brought up money? Also Trunks was there. I’m sure Gohan would’ve just stuck to Ssj1 and not 2 which wouldn’t have been free.

@ray0064 nah, Gohan basically has mastered ssj1 & Trunks just has vanilla, it's pretty free. But if he entered because Chichi told him to, then okay. I can't argue with that

​@@ray0064yea but in the buu saga videll blackmailed gohan into the tournament he really didn't wanna join

Him, Tien and Yamcha came in CLEAN like they were about to cook up and immediately get kicked down and layed out right in front of Gohan. They do them so dirty in the movies😂

@@amari648 ikr? I’m fine with them not winning because that just wouldn’t make sense at all but at least have them kill one of them or just doing what android 17 did in the tournament and just be a assist? Otherwise what’s even the point of the humans even being there other than reminding us of the obvious?

@@nycto4512 I’m glad the tournament of power gave Krillin(should’ve have lasted longer and letting his guard was never one of his weaknesses) and Tien wins even if they both only eliminated one person and Roshi(who hasn’t been relevant since og dragon ball) taking up their screen time and lasting longer than both of them. Tien givibg Base Trunks during their fight was cool, deflected Buutenks attack with a Tri beam and krillin took down one of Moro’s henchmen in the manga which was cool but I feel like they could be better post Buu Arc. Dbs Tien got bodied by Gohan in the 2v2 with Goku and piccolo for no reason and he could never charge up an attack to defend himself either because Gohan would blindsided every time. His only W’s were against fodder Frieza soilders in Ressurection f(his fighting style is so clean) and against hermila.

​@@amari648honestly the anime gives the earthlings more love than the Manga except roshi cuz him practically mimicking ui on Jiren for a sec is fucking clean

Yeah super hero might have to be the worst one

Super hero is one of the best dragon ball movie what are you talking about?

@@stevelebg9540 the climax of the plot is a half off rehash of the cell saga with mailed in stakes and the villain is a milk off of cell’s success

​@@stevelebg9540naa fam they literally did yhe gohan stop training and beame pathetic for the umpteenth time and nostalgic bated us with cell and ssj2 gohan design and I'll say this piccolo is the star of the movie not gohan

@@dillonsparks115 Piccolo is garbage in the movie too

we don’t talk about it

Their both shit

That is a crazy ass take, i'm proud of you for being different.

@@darianallenwilsonI agree, but one is shittier than than the other

I agree

@@TheFunnyPogGuy Not really. At least the Broly in Bio-Broly wasn't the real one. Broly in the second coming was a joke, especially how Videl was able to survive against him. And he got pissed on. Like, this is the same monster from the first movie that decimated all the Super Saiyans. Hell, he's even stronger because of the Zenkai Boost. Whether he was joking with her or not, there's no way she should have survived.

Ssj3 always had a weird timelimit thing so it makes sense in the buu fight but in cooler movie it makes 0 sense that goku didn't transform (idk where in the timeline the movie is but it has to be before yardrat for goku not transforming to make sense but then he shouldn't be on earth bla bla movies are silly sometimes you just have to ignore it😭)

I mean Goku’s still dead. Meaning that cell still blew himself up which was a result from getting curbed stumped by ssj2 Gohan. What must likely happened was that Hohan simply didn’t have as much control of ssj2 in this timeline as he did in canon. That or gohan really was trolling this whole time, lol.

Well, they couldn't, and that was that.

They could have but after years of development, I can understand them looking at it and going, "It's ain't worth the effort".

legit

I mean he could have simply came back to chill with the bros for a day. It’s not impossible.