Beginners Guide to Working On Automatic Watch Systems

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In this video we go over cover how the 3 most common self winding system used in automatic watches work as well as how to inspect, service and lubricate them.
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@normanrehme3836 Жыл бұрын

Your bonus tip was fantastic. Buying these costly once-a-year products is expensive. Thanks for your video series. You are a very good teacher.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Hope to see you here again Norman

@paulschumacker9901 Жыл бұрын

There’s important content in this that I’ve never seen in many excellent videos on other channels. I especially value the timing - I’ve serviced about 25 mechanical wind watch movements- some multiple times- and have just acquired a vintage automatic Seiko watch to service. The details you provided here will be really helpful as I graduate into automatic movements. Your teaching style is excellent and very much appreciated! Bravo!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I am humbled. Thanks Paul

@csspinner 9 ай бұрын

Thank you immensely for sharing your knowledge and tips.

@watchrepairtutorials 9 ай бұрын

I appreciate you brother. Thank you

@miroslavkovacevic9639 2 ай бұрын

Just watching your videos has a healing rherapeutic influence.on my mind. Maybe I love watch movements too much

@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын

They are a thing of engineering beauty aren’t they.

@escapetherace1943 2 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials how much should I pay to have something like a seiko sarb033 serviced? I've had mine ~8 years and it's losing significant time now

@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын

@@escapetherace1943 that part of the country, but I would expect 3 to 400

@escapetherace1943 2 ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials 3 to 400 dollars to service a 300 dollar watch? what

@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын

@@escapetherace1943 service cost for a watchmaker is not based on the watches value, it’s based on the time it takes them to do the work. This is an important consideration when buying a watch right? This is one of the main reasons people are motivated to learn how to service their own watches.

@whatsstefon Жыл бұрын

As usual, great content that isn’t covered by many others.

@HaraldLavooij Ай бұрын

As a hobby watch maker, I've seen many videos on KZfaq to learn about (dis)assembly, cleaning, lubrication and regulation. Your videos are WAY BETTER than the video I've seen elsewhere. Very entertaining and educating with excellent explanations and 'in depth' information. Again, in my opinion, much better than the other channels with - in some cases - hundreds of thousands subscribers. How come you "only" have 30K subscribers? Thanks for your channel and please keep ut the good work and footage, there's so much to learn for me! Regards from The Netherlands

@watchrepairtutorials Ай бұрын

Why? Because I am not an entertainment channel but a learning channel. My content is the type of content that is meant to help new watchmakers learn. I don't make videos for views. Thank you my friend

@tomholloway7566 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely the best explanation of how and why ETA reverser wheels are lubricated the way they are. Thank you.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom

@timothybruno4457 Жыл бұрын

I've enjoyed watches for several years, never very expensive ones, but automatics really have my heart. I've been steadily viewing your tutorials, working toward getting the tools and the courage to begin taking apart a movement. I recently purchased three vintage automatic Seikos that will likely be the first candidates and this video is timely. Keep up the good work, we appreciate it.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Try picking up some Chinese clones to start on. They are inexpensive and great for learning on.

@chrisvincent6138 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your no-nonsense approach, I started on this journey at the age of 70 and I wish your tutorials were around then they are so very helpful. Thanks again.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Alright Chris. Glad to have you here.

@itzhaccroitoru4082 Жыл бұрын

Fine thanks

@So.Stephen Жыл бұрын

Happy days. I was jonesing for your next video to drop. Thanks to you, I have been stripping the pallet fork, cleaning it, trying to lube the exit stone, f**k up, repeat and repeat until I have something close to what you instructed. The only thing I have not been able to do yet is see the backlash when testing the power train. Thank you very much. Keep up the good work my man.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Hey Stephen, This one took a lot more time than I thought it would. Don’t worry, practicing the right technique, will result in a superior e d result.

@tropicalspeed22 Жыл бұрын

As do I

@tropicalspeed22 Жыл бұрын

Another excellent training video. Thank you very much. My knowledge of watch repair has increased exponentially since watching your videos. I watch them more than once in order to have all that info sink in. Hope to see you again next week. I really do look forward to them.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I appreciate you watching. There’s a long way to go

@walther9161 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video!!! Thank you for posting and the great tips!!

@MichaelHeinrich1 Жыл бұрын

I'm not a watchmaker but i enjoy your videos a lot. They are very interesting and educating. 😁

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I’m just gonna warn you now. Do you watch too many of them and the next thing you know you’re gonna be buying a watch to fix😜

@watchtock8818 Жыл бұрын

Another awesome video.

@johnvaluk1401 Жыл бұрын

Great video with very useful information that I will be using very shortly. Thank you!

@willyforbin58 Жыл бұрын

Alex you got me vacuumed in every videos you make, and it is of such help and very well explained.. Imagine as a frenchy I prefer to watch your videos than those in my mother language! Thanks again Alex, keep them coming as inspirational as they are.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Merci mon ami. Faites-moi savoir si je peux faire quelque chose pour faciliter la traduction.

@willyforbin58 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials it’s all good, I understand perfectly, my English is pretty good thanks to my job, thank you again, I am heading to lesson #13..and on!👍🏽👌🏼

@mycaI_ Жыл бұрын

Great tip there at the end. Thanks alot!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

That tip is straight out of the Omega playbook. There are certain countries that Lubeta is not available, so this is an alternative used by those watchmakers.

@wildernessofzinn17 Жыл бұрын

Invaluable info I have seen from no other watch repair channel. Thanks, Alex. Something I tried for cleaning parts is _CRC QD Electronic Cleaner_ in the red spray can. I think QD stands for Quick Dry, which it certainly does. It's rather common, so they have it at Wal-Mart and many other stores. It's quick drying and when you look at the ingredients it is essentially HEXANE. Am I effing up for some counterintuitive reason?. It sure seems like a cool option. It sprays hard so, of course, don't use it directly on balance wheels and so on. It works well, goes a long way, and doesn't cost much by comparison. The last I got at Wal-Mart was around $8 a can. Like everything else, it has gone up recently.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

As far as the parts go, as long as there is no residue you should be good. The fact that’s it’s for electronics leads me to believe that it does not. I ordered a can from Amazon to try out. And you gave me an idea for a video. Thanks

@husamnafta4126 Жыл бұрын

Great video with very useful information. Thank you!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Husam, Thanks for checking in. I believe you are a first time commentator. I hope you stick around.

@a.aguilar Жыл бұрын

Great tutorial. I've done many seikos but no ETA nor bumpers so far. It's great to know how they work too. I'll keep this video with my favourites collection to review it when needed. Thanks.

@walterzwart1598 Жыл бұрын

Thank You for the information, it makes my hobby more fun!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it Walter

@coopoylozenge5964 Жыл бұрын

Such clear and excellent explanations.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

@carlosgomis9033 Жыл бұрын

Great videos, i am used to them already. Thanks for the tips

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@rossjackson3670 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for such an inspirational series. Your way of explaining is basic yet in depth. Caught the very first one a few hours after commencement. I look forward to each new section. Love the bonus tips. However each is video is a full bonus. Regards to you. Keep well. Keep safe.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Ross. Glad to have you here.

@timothybruno4457 Жыл бұрын

The bonus tips are not only great info, they're great marketing. I feel like I'm getting a secret deal every time.

@ravindrajahagirdar2701 6 ай бұрын

lovely,

@user-tl5du5zb4n Жыл бұрын

Αs always my friend thank you for the really instructional video. Greetings from the hot (42°C) Athens

@bolgerguide Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. I made my first trip to a watch tools supply store. I now have rodico instead of silly putty lol.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

That’s awesome. Thanks for following along.😀

@contrast1908 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great great videos and sharing the knowledge. I stumbled upon a video that indicates apparently seiko advices a certain position for the rotor when one is trying to install it back. Apparently the hole on the first reduction wheel must line up with the balance cock peg and the hole on the right wing of the rotor in order to have the pawls at their lowest point around the ratcheting wheel in order for the pawls to have the most travel hence better efficiency of winding I am guessing . The demonstration which was performed rotor-less while rotating the first reduction wheel manually showed it takes four to five revolutions of the first reduction wheel to advance the ratchet wheel by one tooth if the rotor is installed the way Seiko suggests. But it takes seven to eight revolutions of the first reduction wheel to advance the ratchet wheel by one tooth if the rotor is installed the complete opposite side, it all happens due to positioning of pawls.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

This is true.Thanks for sharing.

@badarox Жыл бұрын

Your videos are very instructional and you have a great way of teaching. I kinda want to get on this hobby, and your content has been invaluable. Thank you very much, and keep up the great work!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

What are you waiting for? Start slow and build up your skills and knowledge and anyone can do this.

@FutaConnoisseur Жыл бұрын

Damn, really solid video. Only one I've found that gives a full explanation of all three types. Really enjoy your work, keep it up. If I made more money I'd be buying all those burgeon screwdrivers instead of my 40$ set lol.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Hi Maxwell, Remember that it is more important to keep your screwdrivers properly fitted to the screws you are working on than having an expensive set.

@ferguscosgrave7510 3 ай бұрын

Thanks

@watchrepairtutorials 3 ай бұрын

No problem

@vesselingenadiev2526 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the bonus tip - this is really useful. One question - this homemade "Lubeta" which is 33 drops of IPA + 1 drop of 9010, can we use it also where one would use Lubeta V106?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I would just stick with 9010

@MrRoundel 10 ай бұрын

That was really a handy tutorial, thanks. I have a few GP Gyromatics that use the ETA movement that I have been loathe to work on, partially due to not having the Lubeta to lubricate it with. This will really help. Oh, and your explanation of how the different types of auto-wind mechanisms work was great. Many thanks. I'm really enjoying your videos. Cheers.

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

Yes sir, thank you much.

@MrRoundel 10 ай бұрын

Something popped into my head about the home-made reverser-wheel lube. Being that the cost of 9010 is quite high, does it really make much difference if I use a perhaps lesser quality watch oil to mix with the solvent? I have some Nye synthetic watch oil that I could mix and feel better about it, considering the cost of 9010, and the fact that I only have a 2ml vial of 9010 to work from. Cheers. @@watchrepairtutorials

@watchrepairtutorials 10 ай бұрын

@@MrRoundel perhaps if it was the same viscosity. If it’s not the reverser wheels won’t work, right.

@MrRoundel 10 ай бұрын

Thanks again. I'll see what I can find out about the Nye specifications. Cheers. @@watchrepairtutorials

@Supercruze Жыл бұрын

Another great video. Enjoying your channel. It is interesting to note the differences in automatic works between the Seiko Daini based movements and the Suwa based movements. I actually prefer the Suwa pawl system to the Daini. Also, what is your opinion of dipping the reverser gears in Epilame first before using the Lubeta V105? I hear this is a common practice for these reverser gear setups. John S

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I can’t say that would be recommended by ETA. Seems counter productive you know. You want lubrication on the pawls in the reverser.

@fabriziobuffoni4862 4 ай бұрын

Many thanks for the extremely useful video. I appreciated a lot and learnt a lot. If I do no ask much, do you have any tip on how to have an alternative to the V106? I actally have the V105and not the V106, so now I do not know how to lubricate the bearing of the rotor...Many thanks in advance. Fabrizio

@watchrepairtutorials 4 ай бұрын

Not that I know of. You can always use the standard 9010

@2manysigns 28 күн бұрын

Cool

@watchrepairtutorials 28 күн бұрын

Beans

@bangy55 Жыл бұрын

Extremely appreciated tip at the end. I wonder if there is a V-106 alternative for rotors.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I don’t see why you couldn’t do the same if you are dealing with a sealed one. I haven’t looked at the difference in v105 and v106. I have not seen any factory recommendations for v106 alternatives

@17crescent Жыл бұрын

V105 for reversing wheels; V106 for ball brearings

@bangy55 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Thank you Mr Effing Time for taking the time to answer and for the great tips. The Hexane tip gave me gooseflesh. I bet I've spent many hours scouring the internet for a recipe for One Dip. I always suspected it was just some solvent unknown to me.

@GDLOTKIDOG Жыл бұрын

Was Gruen the original “bump wind” system? Thank You for all this knowledge. Really appreciate you! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Happy new year!

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

No, the first watches that had them were Harwoods. John Harwood patented the bumper in 1923 and they were sold by the Harwood Self Winding Watch Company

@GDLOTKIDOG Жыл бұрын

Do you know the name of the cream that I see the Oshow guy using with a brush to clean his rusted parts? Sometime he uses benzine or a clear solvent. On heavier rusted parts it’s a cream. You know what that stuff is? Thanks

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

@@GDLOTKIDOG I don't know who that is

@Donnybrook10 8 ай бұрын

in the absence of Hexane, can the same 33:1 9010 mixture work with lighter fluid?

@watchrepairtutorials 8 ай бұрын

No, use 99 % IPA. Lighter fluid unless it’s a pure form it’s gonna have impurities in it that might leave a residue. This is not something that you want inside your reverser wheels

@zendoc62 Ай бұрын

Great demonstration of all 3 systems Alex, thanks. Is there an alternative to the V106 for lubricating the sealed ball bearing unit on the rotor? I guess if it’s open, you’d just use a drop of 9010 on the ball bearings. But if it’s sealed, what would you use if you didn’t have V106?

@watchrepairtutorials Ай бұрын

Like on which movement for example?

@zendoc62 Ай бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Hi Alex - thanks for the reply. Well, like the 3rd movement you’re working on in the video, where the rotor bearing unit is sealed and you use the V106 as a dipping lubricant to penetrate and lubricate the bearings. I’m just wondering what the alternative might be if you don’t have V106?

@tylers5539 2 ай бұрын

What’s the best way to remove the C-clip from the first reduction wheel?

@watchrepairtutorials 2 ай бұрын

Use a small screwdriver head and twist

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@RadioWhisperer Жыл бұрын

I love that technique for putting the circlip back on the automatic works, i'll have to master that. How do you remove it without causing huge scratches? I use brass tweezers and try to push from both legs, but it can still scratch or cause the part to join the Air Force lol

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

I use a small screw driver, insert it and twist it enough to loosen then grab it with the tweezers.

@RadioWhisperer Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials That's a great idea, i didn't think about prying it that way. Thanks!

@matthewf6631 Жыл бұрын

So will the V105 work on the ball bearings lieu of V106 and if not is the V106 also makeable like the V105?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

No, You would not want to substitute them for one another. I have never heard of a formula to make it.

@BokiPetrovic88 Жыл бұрын

In this video you are recommending Moebius 9504 for oiling the wall of automatic watch barrel but I also saw that you are using Kluber P125. What is the difference? Thanks

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

No. 9504 is not a braking grease. I do use Kluber but 8213 is also a good one to use.

@BokiPetrovic88 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials thanks for advice, my bad for 9504, didn't see correctly.

@tropicalspeed22 Жыл бұрын

Mixing a solvent with 9010 is a real money saver for lubricating the reverse wheels. What about the dip lubricant for the oscillating-weight bearing? Can we mix one for those as well? Thanks.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Someone else asked me the same thing. I’m not sure about the ratio, but that’s a great idea. The other consideration is the amount needed to actually submerge the rotor, so if there was a higher concentration of 9010 and more volume, you would have to weigh the cost savings vs just using V106.

@tropicalspeed22 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Thanks. I already have a bottle of V105, so then some V106 is on the want list.

@awdturbopowah773 Жыл бұрын

Whoa, what an awesome tip at the end, with the homemade Lubeta V105 from 9010 -- I've never heard about that! Just another example of the secret knowledge you can only find on this channel 😁. Only have one quick question for on this one Alex, and kinda dumb but I am just curious: what's the metal disk you're putting the lubricated parts on, before they go under the dust cover? Is that just to keep the Lubeta from soaking onto the watchmakers paper?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

LOL, man that’s a great question. It’s actually a mirrored glass disk. I use them for all kinds of stuff, but in this case it is just a good clean surface, that wouldn’t react negatively with the solvent as it finishes drying.

@awdturbopowah773 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Great idea. I'll have to look around and see if I can find something similar for that. Thanks!

@jergarmar 28 күн бұрын

Oh dang, at the end of the video I was thinking, "now wait a minute, I understand how certain lubricants have a solvent that evaporates away, surely there's a way--" but you explained how to do it before I could even finish the thought! Nice! Though it kind of begs the question, why are there two different dip lubricants? Does that mean the dip solution should be more or less diluted? Or mixed up from a different base oil?

@watchrepairtutorials 28 күн бұрын

These parts have different lubrication requirements. It would be nice if there was one lubricant for everything, but unfortunately, it doesn't work like that.

@jergarmar 28 күн бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Sorry, I wasn't entirely clear. If you're mixing your own, like you show in the video with hexane and 9010, are you mixing it two different ways, for the parts that normally require two different dip lubricant formulations?

@watchrepairtutorials 25 күн бұрын

@@jergarmar That formula only works for reverser wheels as opposed to buying the dip or using 9010 and trying to lubricate them by hand.

@jergarmar 25 күн бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials Reverser wheels, got it, thank you. I actually have an Eterna-matic 3000 (my favorite watch so far) that I'm planning on cracking open and servicing, so I'll need it!

@cryptophiliac4533 Жыл бұрын

Is there any advice you can give me on identifying a movement with no visible markings? I have a new automatic I took out of the cheapest mechanical watch I could find and would like some kind of reference to go off of before disassembly. I tried doing a visual comparison to Chinese movements online with no luck. Is there maybe somewhere I’m not seeing that might have a model number on it?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Send me a picture

@cryptophiliac4533 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials I’m not sure if I can send pics on KZfaq. Do you know of a way? If not do you have IG, Facebook, telegram, business email? Thank you in advance. Your time is much appreciated

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

@@cryptophiliac4533 my email is on the about page

@geoffreysun8284 Жыл бұрын

❤

@renebollengier1111 Жыл бұрын

I’m getting ready to service my father in laws seiko from the 70s. What grease do I use on the barrel walls?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

8213

@renebollengier1111 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, looking forward to this one

@pitchelcabigan6230 Жыл бұрын

May i request a topic? I have a feeling that you are the right person to tag along.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

Sure, Let’s hear it.

@pitchelcabigan6230 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials dynamic poising in full details. I know this gonna be very interesting again just like your other vids. Thanks in advance, man.

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

@@pitchelcabigan6230 it’s one of my favorite subjects and will be part of the regulation series.

@pitchelcabigan6230 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials wow that's awesome!

@pitchelcabigan6230 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials ...and thank you for your generosity ❤.

@alvaronoel5081 Жыл бұрын

Do you do service my longines pocket watch needs service.. where I can found you or make Contact with you !! Thanks

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

You can contact me at mywatchsmith@gmail.com

@tmmkk1 Жыл бұрын

Could I ask you what is your choice for breaking grease in autos with brass barrels. Seems like opinions are all over the map

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

8213 is kind of the standard for brass. Some people will use 8217 which works in all barrels. I use Kluber p125 buts it’s 4 times as much as 8213. 8213 is fine.

@0_Ka-Bar_0 Жыл бұрын

Which one is denser? Hp1300 or 9010?

@watchrepairtutorials Жыл бұрын

HP 1300 is a thicker oil

@0_Ka-Bar_0 Жыл бұрын

@@watchrepairtutorials thank you Sensei😁

@contrast1908 Жыл бұрын

Here’s the video I was talking about kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdmcf5aZxrCcgGw.html

@rosomak8244 9 ай бұрын

The SEIKO self winding system is not invented by them. It was first invented at IWC.

@watchrepairtutorials 9 ай бұрын

I’m sorry, did I say Seiko invented the pawl system for automatic movements. If anything many would agree that they took IWC’s Pellaton pawl system and improved it.

@geoffreysun8284 Жыл бұрын

❤