WATERPROOF MEMBRANE for TILE SHOWER PAN

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3 жыл бұрын

As you have seen from many of my testing videos, the weak point in any waterproof membrane material for a shower pan is at the seams where the sheet and band come together. These polyethylene sheet membranes for tile rely on thinset mortar to adhere the banding and corners at the junctions of the sheets. We know the various brands of membrane as schluter Kerdi, Ardex SK-175, and Hydro Ban Sheet Membrane. As we know, regular thinset mortar is not waterproof, so if water sits on one of the seam areas for prolonged periods of time, the water can seep through the layers of waterproof membrane. To eliminate the seams in the shower pan area, you can implement a fold and tuck technique similar to how a PVC pan liner is used. This video shows how to do that, plus a few additional tips and tricks for waterproof membranes for tiled showers.
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@TileCoach 3 жыл бұрын

To purchase a Flo FX bonding flange and grate you can get them here www.tilecoach.com/product-page/flo-fx-bonding-flange-abs. Thank you for your support and love!

@nivedithabalasubramaniam8219 3 жыл бұрын

Does Flow FX have linear drains?

@dansondevelopmentsltd6754 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a link to the work trousers too please 👖

@TileCoach 2 жыл бұрын

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@TIGER-ze8xh Жыл бұрын

@tedspens 16 күн бұрын

How did I miss this video all these years? Tucking the corners is brilliant. No inside corners to install, no banding, no buildup... it should be the standard for all floor membrane installations.

@dmech5135 3 жыл бұрын

Dude I tried this today, soooo simple! I had a bondo squeege and used that to tuck it in. When I was done I sat there for a moment and admired my work, then the client walked in a could not believe how neat it was. I got the ultimate compliment, she said, "you are an artist"! so I took out my sharpie and signed the membrane.

@AutismusPrime69 Жыл бұрын

Don't bullshit

@tedspens 16 күн бұрын

Artist is nice but after a few more tucked corners, you'll elevate to a true arteest!

@larenjones3679 2 жыл бұрын

I've been tiling for about 40 years. Some of these new techniques are pretty awesome. I'm 65 right now. And learning new things sometime not that easy I'm a little stubborn. But watching these videos has been very inspiring thank you. LJ

@TenaciousBeanz 3 жыл бұрын

Man... I have been in the tile business since 2013 and I must say your attitude is so awesome towards trying new tricks to the trade. You're right there are only a small percentage of the tile contractor who think like that and it just holds them back. Innovation is how we grow as individuals but also as a tradesman too! Been a viewer for a while and have loved watching your channel grow. Keep on doing what you're doing!

@askthisoldtileman8264 3 жыл бұрын

When I install shower pan liner I always cut inside corners of the studs,so the liner can fold inside.so the durock doesn’t bulge out. Same method. Am glad you are helping out the so call tile guys to do it right. Am getting tired of tearing out all theses shower.keep up good work 👍

@lockwooddave 3 жыл бұрын

I was once a world champion at something too embarrassing to state specifically. I learned technique and methods from guys during their first week and pros during their last days. I put together a combination of all I learned. If you're not switching it up, you're not getting better. I love that you are a real world tradesman sharing your trials and tribulations so others can save time.

@TileCoach 3 жыл бұрын

Ok Dave now we need to know what you were the world champion at. Being the best at whatever you choose to do has no room for embarrassment!

@willcochrane9854 3 жыл бұрын

Not just once, he's been the world champion as part of a team several times and won 40-something national titles. Super impressive, man!

@lockwooddave 3 жыл бұрын

@@TileCoach Domino's Pizza world box folding champion 1996. Are you happy now?

@N8TheSnake 2 жыл бұрын

@@lockwooddave could be worse, you could be the kinda guy that hangs his hat on teaching competitive high school marching band like I do. *LOL*

@mathusvaiaoga9787 2 жыл бұрын

@@lockwooddave I bet you still got it too. 😃

@guybowers9094 3 жыл бұрын

There will always be new ways of doing something and that willingness to adapt to those can only make us better at what we do. I like your openness and self evaluation it makes watching your videos that much better

@hagakuru 3 жыл бұрын

If this is something that you plan on doing - I would suggest you get a set of plastic automotive trim tools that you can use to tuck the membrane. They come in a lot of different shapes and sizes and you won't run the risk of poking through it like you would using a metal tool/screwdriver.

@kevinhornbuckle 3 жыл бұрын

Good advice. I use a windshield gasket installation tool.

@markfabre7682 3 ай бұрын

Been looking at all your videos on installations (and also installation fails). I am now convinced Tile Redi is the product for me as an amateur. My house is 11 years old and so the fiberglass contractor shower, although still functional, is boring. I want to create a tile masterpiece, but don't want to worry about leaks around the pan. Since I'm going to DIY, I don't mind spending a little more up front to ensure a finished product that is going to last. The fact that Tile Redi will customize my pan to my exact needs (for a reasonable fee) is a big plus.

@DavidNelson42 Жыл бұрын

You have a great way of teaching and explaining what you're doing. I love the emphasis on continual learning.

@Traeishim38 2 жыл бұрын

If only people would watch the information you provide , before trying to do a shower for the first time it would keep all these failures from happening . No excuse today for doing things wrong , lots of information available now . I've been a tile contractor since 1990 and have repaired many showers done so so wrong . Thanks for all you do

@juergenpaton5004 3 жыл бұрын

That is finally after years of contemplating on how to go about the shower area. This video helped make up my mind. Thank You for sharing.

@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet 3 жыл бұрын

The "Bruce Jenner" HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Now I know the official name for the "tuck technique." And I will forever call it that. Thank you! I needed that laugh 💯

@billycarson3408 2 жыл бұрын

I really like this system. Thank you for sharing. I love to learn, I seem to get humbled when I watch your videos.

@jeanclaudevandam4974 2 жыл бұрын

You have a great view on life and on how to be a great worker. I also think like you and have no issues with adapting when it comes to work.

@larryestrada5418 3 жыл бұрын

Hot mop,yeah right.So many old schoolers are stuck.Shower liners,quartz,composite beams,lumber,mold proof drywall,pex and list goes on and on.I don't get it either,what are these guys thinking.I'm 62,still learning and changing.You do you buddy,it's working just fine.Thanks coach.

@josephgraham1065 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic Idea... As a diy who has yet to attempt I thankyou for all the great videos you provide so that when I do attempt I will have a better idea of what to do.

@demetriusedmond2577 3 жыл бұрын

I learned something yet again. I love this channel.

@DB-yn1gm 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice. Much cleaner. Always disliked running corner band over those layered corners. I'm all over this!

@okflyer777 3 жыл бұрын

I ordered and have now used the TrueWerk pants linked in the description above. These are HANDS DOWN the BEST work pants I've had. Significantly more comfortable than my Carhartt - the TrueWerk T1's use different outer and inner materials combined with some VERY smart design features to make them the all time best. Actually, I think these will be my all time favorite pants for every day use also, just so comfortable and functional. Thanks Isaac for the discount!!

@TheSpartanBuilder 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Such a good way to do corners

@RedNeckBiker109 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always, love learning from you!

@matthewsaltzman5573 3 жыл бұрын

What a killer install.

@billycarson3408 3 жыл бұрын

I really like that, keep up the good works.

@MarkAngus-zy9hs 4 ай бұрын

I used the method with the folding in the corners, makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

@disel1983va 3 жыл бұрын

hi coach I like the way you improved in the work site thanks for sharing the knowledge!👍💪👏

@meejhgggg 3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad watched this... So simple but massive different...

@joefowler3106 3 жыл бұрын

Saw Amus do this in IG awhile back and love it! Definitely takes a little practice to perfect it. Only tip is to make the gap you're tucking into a tad bigger so it's easier to work the membrane into the corners. 👍🏼

@JustFly360 Жыл бұрын

hey what's his IT link? thanks

@jackpierik3017 2 жыл бұрын

Never stop improving! Please.

@PoisonJarl71501 3 жыл бұрын

I wish I knew the real pricing of tile. No one wants to share their pricing procedure as if they’ll lose a ton of business and I don’t want to gouge an-yoke. I like this method a lot. Super clean. I just used a cold membrane and laticrete fiber mesh tape to waterproof a small shower and it’s gorgeous. Can’t wait fort he next vid 👍🏻

@LosDog14 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve installed tile over 25 years and I’ve never seen this. Eliminates a lot of unnecessary steps and there are no seams in the pan which is unquestionably better. Definitely going to do it this way.

@stevencochran2845 Жыл бұрын

Great Channel dude! Many thanks. I just ordered a Calidad Square and have you to thank for it.

@partretropartnostalgia5439 3 жыл бұрын

The background commentary from the owner / camera man? Good stuff 😂 I like seeing the American made shower pan and flowFX drain - that’s you all delivering on your integrity and gravitas with this channel or “eating your own dog food” so to speak. I’m really interested in doing something like this in my powder room and your channel is invaluable for making a decision. I think I’m going to have a tough time finding someone here in LA!

@Jared-Kreate 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video!! I’ve done the Jenner on my last three showers and I love it too. I have a little different method for the curb though. No prefab outside corners

@jamesyoung4633 Жыл бұрын

Knowledge of change in how a procedure or process is done, which could be a better way and more cost effective could be a failure of the business. Keep on learning it gain from it. Love your videos. Thanks

@AutismusPrime69 Жыл бұрын

I like your idea about folding it up and not using strips

@phillipreborn 3 жыл бұрын

Is the waterproofing membrane replacing the rubber liner method? Thanks for the videos, keep up the good work!

@pedrocavalcanti806 2 жыл бұрын

i like your mindset, thats it, we need keep moving always!

@Bill-fv7wy Жыл бұрын

Hi Isaac' I love your videos. Ive learned so much by watching in the last 2 weeks thank you. Ive done three bathroom in the passed & getting ready to do my 4th. You might like this one. Frank Zappa ones said. The mind is like a parachute it doesn't work unless you open it. Happy Holidays

@lfcfan4557 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Isac, thanks for all the great uploads. I needed to ask if I have a mortar bed on a concrete slab, do I still need to use any membrane, or just use thinset to instal the tile on the bed directly. BTW, that FLO-FX is a great product. I took your advice and got one.

@Real_PK 2 жыл бұрын

I tried this and it's simple to do. Make sure you cut out an opening in the backer board to accept the tucked membrane. I ended up putting a bead of sealant in each corner and up the wall 2 inches because allowing a clear path for water to go behind the wall made me nervous. Installing inside corners instead of sealant would work too. I'm not sure about RSS membrane but water does wick up hydroban membrane and I didn't want that to happen and possibly get to the studs.

@83hall1 3 жыл бұрын

Love the videos I have learned so much!!! I do have a question though is their a membrane that laps the wall over the pan or does the thinset and pan liner take care of it? Thanks

@tyreldavis6378 3 жыл бұрын

Just sitting here wondering why schluter overlaps seams with no regard to direction of water flow. You solved it now I know how I'd like to do my shower. Been talking myself into and out of pan plans for 2 weeks.

@azraghcca Жыл бұрын

I appreciate all your videos. It gets confusing when you discover a better method/product and don't remove the old video/product recommendation. It leaves it up to chance on which method we "think" you're recommending. Cheers.

@loumonte658 3 жыл бұрын

Hat's off to you Sir.

@travisandtracyjacobs6198 2 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, when you told me that neon yellow border was just to keep grout out of the drain and that it was not used as the final product, I was bummed. I would love to see Flo Fx come out with neon yellow or neon baby blue drain, just like the flange. Something funky. The videos are awesome.

@wymershandymanservice9965 3 жыл бұрын

Wow now that’s a sweet looking install. If we’re not learning then we’re not progressing with new and better materials to give the customer the best job possible. Hopefully this works out as good as it looks. The trouble with today’s company’s is the planned obsolescence that has become the standard of so many products. Big Tech is a perfect example. Thanks for your efforts 👍 🇺🇸🦅🌏⚓️🇺🇸

@Detroitblue 3 жыл бұрын

Hey! Good talk on stubborness.

@pcskier3611 Жыл бұрын

I would be terrified jamming on that corner fold that the sheet was not compromised!

@tofuroshi 3 жыл бұрын

When you build a shower with the traditional pan beneath the mud bed, it is protected from puncturing. Do you ever worry about dropping a tile or tool on the shower floor membrane or unwittingly puncturing it during installation?

@jorgelopez-tt7ng 3 жыл бұрын

Hello from Chicago!! Do you have any suggestion on how scaffolding a 10 foot kitchen wall for tiling above wall cabinets?

@joeortega7759 2 жыл бұрын

This is a great video. My question is how long do you wait before doing a flood test. And if doing a flood test do you just use a turn plug to block water from going down the drain?

@reneecrabtree7288 3 жыл бұрын

What did you use for the corners and the long strip in the corner going up the wall? Can you list all the supplies you used?

@virginiakarpovich5485 7 ай бұрын

Great idea to run the membrane up the walls thereby eliminating the band. However it seems like there is not any overlap at the very "point" of the corner. I thought all the thinset membrane systems required a 2 inch overlap to achieve the specified water proofing. I would still use a prefabricated inside corner, then run the corner band.

@abacab87 4 ай бұрын

The corner is folded, it's not cut at the corner. There could be a possibility of getting a little water in the fold, but It doesn't really have anywhere to go other than back out.

@tenshindojocho 3 жыл бұрын

Great video and learned allot. where in northern CAL are you at?

@fo727 3 жыл бұрын

If you eliminated the seam at the bottom by raising the pan’s membrane up the wall 2 inches, why not extend the wall, width wise, to over lap the adjacent wall, eliminating the vertical seams where the walls meet.

@GuichoThe1st 3 жыл бұрын

That is exactly how I install the PVC pane liners in all my showers. It is very effective and easier that the folfing method

@kevinhornbuckle 3 жыл бұрын

Your psychological insights are well-founded in the personality research literature.

@nicolassanchez8318 3 жыл бұрын

Does seamless = flat? What happens to the pitch from the wall to the drain? Perhaps that is where the tucking at the corners helps. Looks good.

@zsoltmatisz3146 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@hfufoemm Жыл бұрын

Do you have a video on the next steps? I saw the FLO FX one and now this one. I'd love to see what's next.

@jtltet 3 жыл бұрын

So, do you recommend this membrane over Schluter or other membranes?

@reneecrabtree7288 3 жыл бұрын

I just stumbled upon your channel and I LOVE IT! Please keep the videos coming! I also love that your willing to talk about new and better things. Innovation is good.

@billbarberconstructioninc.17 3 жыл бұрын

Great video brother... keep pushing! Inspiring to watch another tradesman #takeprideinyourwork💪

@Someonereallycares 2 жыл бұрын

I love it. I would not use something that sharp to tuck corners and not tuck it too deep because the levee is lowered the further tucked.

@7bikerboy7 3 жыл бұрын

can u do the same with laticrete sheet membrane?

@frankgorgone6679 3 жыл бұрын

Dude why haven’t we thought of this before!

@wolverinegnr Жыл бұрын

Hi Isaac Is there a reason why your not using the hydroban sheet membrane? Is the rss membrane better? Also when you mixed the multimax lite did you go over the max water recommended in packaging? Love the videos brother Keep them coming Thanks

@ronniequinto1538 3 жыл бұрын

I do the Kerdi same as vinyl pan liner except curb. I prep the curb first then float shower base, install Kerdi then prep the walls with waterproof board.

@SeerreuS 4 ай бұрын

Can you use something like a curvy fix instead of the thinset for installing the Kerdi band and Curtis corners

@ryancoulter7681 3 жыл бұрын

I have been thinking about doing this same method with kerdi.

@nailbndr9869 3 жыл бұрын

I don't like how kerdi folds, this product looks like it folds way better

@chiefgeek2020 3 жыл бұрын

It looks like there is a hole in the corner of the membrane where the inside corner doesn't touch floor, is that going to be a potential for a leak?

@jacobknudsen3197 2 жыл бұрын

What do you recommend if doing a larger shower for the membrane? We are planning on doing a 40ishx60ish shower and the waterproof membranes I'm finding are only 39" wide, would it be best to overlap a few inches with the curb sheet and use a liquid membrane to adhere to each other?

@rogeriorealtor 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, can I tile the membrane after doing that, or do I need to wait until the thinset cures to hold the membrane?

@stevenglenn1824 3 жыл бұрын

Got a question. My business does a lot of tile installation. I've just started using rapid set thinset. Was wondering if you mix it to the same consistency as regular thinset, and also pot time.

@shenoyglobal Жыл бұрын

is mudset needed with laticrete or other membrane or can we avoid mud set

@luxman9463 3 жыл бұрын

So in this used along with a traditional pre-slope and PVC liner/membrane?

@jmartin015 3 жыл бұрын

I am dying to do this in my upstairs shower. I remodeled it with granite and marble about 18 yrs ago but used a fiber shower pan. I want to do the mud tbing.

@bobpringle9776 6 ай бұрын

Great advice on needing to grow and learn! Have you ever tried using Hydro Ban waterproofing instead of thinset to attach the membrane to the deck and corners?

@mwrcrft 3 жыл бұрын

Another great method to decrease the chance of catastrophic failure.

@ELDecano1971 3 жыл бұрын

Where do we purchase this WATERPROOF MEMBRANE?

@kurtbilinski1723 Жыл бұрын

I've used waterproof membrane before and it has a consistency like thick paper. Seems like it would wrinkle when applied to a three-dimensional shower floor surface. I can see it working if it's stretchy, but it's not, so I'm apprehensive about using it over other solutions. Guess I'll just have to try it!

@thegame_sprtlife691 3 жыл бұрын

If a curbless shower is being installed should the waterproof membrane be around the shower area, or should the whole bathroom floor be waterproofed?

@jackpestaner6925 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the great series of videos on the FX Pro....looking at your website I see you are selling an FX mat product instead of RSS. Is that what you currently recommend, and is it basically the same thing? Thanks again.

@mohomami9684 3 жыл бұрын

I installed pebble stones on my shower floor put my installation was not that great (not a very smooth level slope), want to cover all imperfections and make sure down slope everywhere toward the linear drain. I need advise on using Non-Shrink Construction Grout Concrete Mix by SAKRETE .

@oneuniverseable 3 жыл бұрын

would be interested to see how you waterproof the niche in this shower. Not sure if you have time for that.

@ronald5728 3 жыл бұрын

So, basically this membrane replaces the use of red guard or aqua defense?

@deanharkin 2 ай бұрын

Great vids as always Issac! Comments: Why tuck the extra flap in when you could just cut it straight up like the other side, since it does nothing to seal or waterproof (the band down the wall does but even that leaves the bottom corner between it and the pan membrane vulnerable unless you hydroban everything after?) Also, do you have a vid of how you put down the drypack?; can you, do you put down multimax or equiv over plywood then the drypack right on top? Thanx again Issac, you rock!

@mathalwaysii 2 жыл бұрын

May I ask why not cut a bigger sheet that can cover the curb as well?

@Sheguro 2 жыл бұрын

Is this Shower ready for tile or will you be floating your walls or waterproofing the walls? In your video trying out the Hydroban membrane your walls were already floated so you wouldn’t be able to do the “tuck method”, is that why you did the the shower pan waterproofing first this time ?

@bmobley1 Жыл бұрын

Are you using a 1/8" V Notch trowel on the multimax lite for setting the membrane?

@jeremycampfield6124 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have another video showing how you finished this install? What wall material and did you cover all the walls and niche with the same RSS system?

@ikediamond 4 ай бұрын

does the curb install directly atop the pan or abutted?

@mickeypaul6980 3 жыл бұрын

Just would like to see how you cut out the corners for the “Bruce Jenner “ tuck . Also just wanted to say good advice on being stubborn ! God bless .

@MrTooTechnical 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid. Did u use customs megalite yet?

@FKWoodworking Жыл бұрын

actually i will be doing something similar to this with kerdi membrane , but i will not insert the corners because they'r already done then i will use the Kerdi in-corners . i like this

@davidwilcox9562 10 ай бұрын

Love the information you provide. Are you using the band on the wall seams What about over the screws in the wall board?

@davidwilcox9562 10 ай бұрын

What do you recommend for a newbie that might not be comfortable attempting to put the sheeting down over the deckmud?

@bishauzer 9 ай бұрын

@@davidwilcox9562 Hi David, I'm sure you've found the videos by now, but if you're not comfortable with the sheeting, Isaac has videos on using Laticrete Hydroban directly over the deck mud. Watch his videos, especially the one where he comes three different types, as he goes into calculating how much liquid you need to ensure proper coverage (but not too much). The sheet membrane isn't too expensive, so you could always buy 3-5 extra feet and practice laying it over some plywood if that would make you feel more comfortable. I'm going to go back and re-watch videos to make sure, but I thought Isaac used Multi-Max Lite to put the sheet membrane down at least in one video. He said that stuff has a 40 minute open time before it dries, so as long as you are putting it on dried/set dry pack, you would be able to pull the sheet back up and fix an error - although I'm sure that could get messy quick. You can also sign up for Isaac's Team Forum for $10/mth and Isaac and others respond to comments made there.

@tannerrobertson9988 2 жыл бұрын

What kind of wall backer is this? Would this get red guard (or other fluid applied membrane) on walls? I am planning to do exactly this method except I think I am going to do hardiebacker and red gaurd walls