Wayne Barnes: The man in the middle

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The Good, The Bad & The Rugby

The Good, The Bad & The Rugby

Жыл бұрын

Just weeks after THAT game in France and THOSE tweets from Rassie Erasmus the brilliant Wayne Barnes joins Payno and Ben Keyser to talk about the backlash on social media in the aftermath of that Springbok defeat and how it's affected him and his family. He reveals that he cancelled the planned half-time celebration at Twickenham in recogonition of his 101 caps and whether he wants to carry on being a referee or not (SPOILER: He does!). It's not all serious though, we find out what his karaoke song is, if his picture is still in a New Zealand urinal and how he and his team escaped from the Principality after the World Cup QF win by France over the All Blacks in 2007.
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0:05 - Show Starts
0:50 - Wayne's Languages
4:54 - The Last Few Weeks
8:37 - France vs Springboks
10:50 - Post Match Debriefs
16:12 - Social Abuse
26:58 - Rassie Tweets
34:06 - Wayne's SA games
38:36 - Twickenham Cancelled
46:19 - Expectations & Technology
1:00:09 - Wayne The Lawyer
1:10:14 - 2007
1:13:32 - Unique Transport
1:18:12 - Wayne In 2023?
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@GoodBadRugby
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@MrFife86
@MrFife86 Жыл бұрын
Excellent podcast but the audio levels need to be sorted. I need it on full volume to hear the interviews and then get blasted when the adverts come on!
@weskus
@weskus 6 ай бұрын
Wayne. As an South African I would like to thank you for your excellent sevice to our lovely gsme. You where the best of the best. Dont let the latest waves get you under. We a know its sour grapes. All your calls were 100%. Wish you all the best in your new centure as an attorney. Please visit our lovely Western Cape here.
@GilbertDulbert
@GilbertDulbert Жыл бұрын
F**k me. Here goes a frenchman having an urge to hug an englishman to comfort and support him. That's how much of a good referee and decent human being Wayne Barnes is.
@hamishfleetwood4386
@hamishfleetwood4386 Жыл бұрын
From a kiwi here. Wayne Barnes is a legend of the game. Definitely does not deserve personal ammunition fired at his family.
@bwana4711
@bwana4711 Жыл бұрын
Big respect to Wayne Barnes for his contribution to the game. As a South African I can only apologise if the vitriol stems from my fellow countrymen. You deserve better and some of us need to be much better. 🇿🇦
@joatmofa0405
@joatmofa0405 Жыл бұрын
Agreed - but, they (British media) are doing exactly what they are accusing Rassie of doing - using social media to further their agenda and point of view - a matter of the pot calling the kettle black!
@business3867
@business3867 8 ай бұрын
Yes but thank god he never has to ref another of our games
@shane1899
@shane1899 6 ай бұрын
​@business3867 im sure you would've been quite happy with his bullshit reffing last night
@business3867
@business3867 6 ай бұрын
@@shane1899 He did okay kept the New Zealanders in it at least
@shane1899
@shane1899 6 ай бұрын
@business3867 you're not wrong. He really kept them in the game with 14 men for 55 mins. And then siya smashes into ardies head... meh just a yellow. The final part of the game.... looks like nz getting a turnover meeh fuck that game overl here you saffa have a free rwc trophy
@madcowcreative
@madcowcreative Жыл бұрын
South African fan here with a huge thank you to all the hard work to Wayne and all his colleagues do week in and week out. Without you there would be no game. Do officials get every decision in every game right - of course not (and bear in mind that 'right' is subjective in the fan's eyes). There is never a reason or excuse to hurl abuse at officials and especially not their family. Grow up, deal with your disappointment, be an adult and look forward to the next game.
@cullyx2913
@cullyx2913 Жыл бұрын
Well said Sir
@wanderer5598
@wanderer5598 Жыл бұрын
Rassie should take note
@sambeckingsale2542
@sambeckingsale2542 Жыл бұрын
@@wanderer5598 100% he should simply follow the process. Engage behind closed doors like everyone else. At the very least avoid stoking the flames on SM.
@thetruthhurts7675
@thetruthhurts7675 Жыл бұрын
Erasmus should be hauled over the Coals by world Rugby!! How dare he make any comment? Wayne doesn't deserve being intimidated by any player. Rugby has to Ban Erasmus for at least the entire international season this year, and possibly the world cup next year, he should be shut down now by both the South African rugby union, and world Rugby. He needs to grow up.
@cullyx2913
@cullyx2913 Жыл бұрын
@@thetruthhurts7675 💯 P
@bwana4711
@bwana4711 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s time to invite Rassie on the show to explain himself without the text limit of Twitter . 🇿🇦🇿🇦
@nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219
@nguboyengwekaluvuyo6219 Жыл бұрын
Wayne Barnes is class 👌🏽
@cullyx2913
@cullyx2913 Жыл бұрын
💯
@adamsubtract81
@adamsubtract81 Жыл бұрын
Social media is such a cesspool. So sorry that you have to endure this disgusting behaviour Wayne.
@green856w
@green856w Жыл бұрын
This has been an excellent discussion. Very honest and open, which deserves respect for being so. The revelations by Wayne Barnes were a shock. I enjoy the game of rugby. The players are to be respected for their efforts, skills, and abilities. This episode of GBR cries out for the enforcement of a 'Respect the Ref' campaign. This is rugby, not football/soccer, and threatening, abusive, or insulting language in whatever forms need to be dealt with most strongly. 'Respect the Ref'.
@LB_die_Kaapie
@LB_die_Kaapie Жыл бұрын
You earn respect ;)
@patrickbrennan911
@patrickbrennan911 Жыл бұрын
That French guy talks an awful lot of shit.
@green856w
@green856w Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbrennan911 That's a very polite, well-thought-out comment. I imagine it took you some time to compose it. That's the type of remark that is unnecessary. Now, go and find your carer and apologise for accessing the internet without their knowledge, and promise your carer you won't do it again.
@patrickbrennan911
@patrickbrennan911 Жыл бұрын
@@green856w ok so I didn’t expand to any large degree, I guess because I though it was plain for all to see. At the fawning and talking in circles. I think Barnsey was even embarrassed listening to it!
@green856w
@green856w Жыл бұрын
@@patrickbrennan911 You're entitled to your opinion, and assumed that 'all' think the same way as you do. Guess again.
@norfolkflyingboyz2404
@norfolkflyingboyz2404 6 ай бұрын
The best of the best. Wayne Barnes❤
@pauldickinson5067
@pauldickinson5067 Жыл бұрын
Mr Barnes is a true credit to the game. The stuff re his family getting abuse is disgusting
@janevanreenen8768
@janevanreenen8768 6 ай бұрын
As are all the others…
@GWills-ys6rd
@GWills-ys6rd Жыл бұрын
I have great respect for Wayne Barnes and so do the rugby general public from all home nations.
@cullyx2913
@cullyx2913 Жыл бұрын
💯
@avelinodalmeida351
@avelinodalmeida351 Жыл бұрын
He is a fantastic .
@leedavis6000
@leedavis6000 Жыл бұрын
Top ref from a Welshman. Best ref in the game for me. Behind you 💯 Barnesy boi.
@trumpet3828
@trumpet3828 Жыл бұрын
Had the pleasure of listing to Barnsey at the England vs South Africa game. He was the highlight of the day such an interesting and funny guy.
@gouldmcclay
@gouldmcclay 6 ай бұрын
Wayne Barnes having a great game playing on the south african team at the 2023 world cup so far with a couple of shocking decisions so far wow
@nickvanrenen8052
@nickvanrenen8052 Жыл бұрын
From a South African, I cannot believe that this happened to the Barnes family. It’s shocking and deeply saddening. I know it’s hard to do but on behalf of all rugby loving South Africans, please accept our most humble apologies for what these cretinous human beings have done to you. They are not rugby fans but just sensation hunters with absolutely no values. Well done on your 100 caps Sir. Here’s to many more.
@thehalf8
@thehalf8 Жыл бұрын
I'm more shocked that he hasn't received a call from Rassie or Jacques. Just give him a call and show some empathy and sympathy. We as south africans are better than that.
@nickvanrenen8052
@nickvanrenen8052 Жыл бұрын
@@thehalf8 Absolutely man, it’s really disappointing!
@mushimi_
@mushimi_ Жыл бұрын
@@thehalf8 It's because they don't care. Dirty country, dirty people.
@thehalf8
@thehalf8 Жыл бұрын
@@mushimi_ we do care. But each to their own. The number 1 rule in South Africa and people will most likely go by this as law. "don't be a doos"
@LB_die_Kaapie
@LB_die_Kaapie Жыл бұрын
@@thehalf8 They owe him nothing.
@humphryrolleston3132
@humphryrolleston3132 Жыл бұрын
A truly superb episode. Wayne Barnes is an outstanding referee and the game of rugby is lucky to have him. Great job by Alex Payne and Ben Kayser too, as always.
@conwaynoel3715
@conwaynoel3715 6 ай бұрын
People ( if that's what you want to call them) who abuse others especially their families are scum and cowards. Thing is the social media providers can track down this filth and bring them down. I've often used a few profanities while watching you but they were fleeting and harmless !! Your a class ref Wayne keep up the good work and best wishes to your family.
@elliotmorton6311
@elliotmorton6311 Жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for Wayne and his family suffering this abuse as it’s totally out of order. Referees have a thankless task but without them their is no game!
@GavinThomas
@GavinThomas Жыл бұрын
Top man , and a bloody top referee is Wayne. Keep your spirit high . Gav from Wales.
@katekormorant136
@katekormorant136 Жыл бұрын
Found it really distressing to listen to Wayne Barnes recounting the abuse and threats. Much love to him and his family❤
@grant050969
@grant050969 Жыл бұрын
This actually made me quite sad. Very impressed by Ben.
@MrIanito
@MrIanito Жыл бұрын
Top ref! Class act, from an Irish fan. ☘️
@avelinodalmeida351
@avelinodalmeida351 Жыл бұрын
My wife and I are big fans of Rugby 🏉 the Premiership, URC, extra Wayne is one of the best in the world. We are from Atlanta, USA 🇺🇸
@richardcollard6174
@richardcollard6174 Жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant episode. One of the ‘questions’ was about whether this was a rugby problem or a society problem…it’s deeper than that…it’s a human problem.
@jezreelnaicker3726
@jezreelnaicker3726 Жыл бұрын
As a Spirited bok supporter myself...yes...not every decision will go our way...neither will every decision be correct...when the game is over...drink a few brandys...complain...then lets get over it...which is what we normally...barnsey and hes family should not be subjectwd to abuse...hes proven time and time again what class act he is on the field...barnsey is also human...this isnt football...we get over it...and move on...
@pnrz
@pnrz Жыл бұрын
Great interview, great bloke, brings to light once again just how toxic social media can be and the impact it can have on people's lives. If we can bring about one change within these online platforms moving into 2023, I hope it’s that those who threaten violence to others and their families can be caught and held accountable. The technology, I’m sure, it out there, but sadly not the want from those that govern them.
@paulbismuth10
@paulbismuth10 Жыл бұрын
This was one of the best GBR podcast i ever listen to quality wise. Such a shame the amount of abuse Wayne Barnes received just for a simple game of rugby.
@louisk6351
@louisk6351 6 ай бұрын
I hope Wayne with his experience and skill also as an advocate can help in developing a referee strategy to ensure a greater future for these guys. The game is so reliable on good refs and I think more should be done to develop and retain them. Great job
@tallshort1849
@tallshort1849 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoy seeing Wayne on programs/podcasts like this. Hope the people who sent his wife that abuse get the punishment they fully deserve
@daviddunn6460
@daviddunn6460 Жыл бұрын
Simply the best GBR podcast, core subject of an elite referee, fascinating, tbh followed and played rugby all my life. I never knew the amount of attention to detail you guys put in. Must be a regular podcast . Massive respect to a fellow man of Gloucestershire
@robinboyes8749
@robinboyes8749 6 ай бұрын
That's why we respect the AB's - Kiwi's and SAFFERS, long may the rivalry (read "respect") continue. A single point separating the two best teams on the planet.
@cliveroberts9086
@cliveroberts9086 Жыл бұрын
I really hope he is not forced to retire just yet. Great ref, but even greater human being. Good points made about technology helping refs. It will take time, but it's inevitable eventually. Keep going Barnsey!
@beewalkerqt
@beewalkerqt Жыл бұрын
Wayne is one of the refs I get most excited by when I read the appointments or match previews - clearcut in his decisions and a referee who lets the game play. He seems to have the respect of the players and things operate well. A really great episode of the show and I'm so disappointed that he and his family were so targeted (having seen i.e. Polly hassling Wayne's fitness in the Lions series etc, she seems a very good egg). A note, too - that France v SA match was incredibly hard and relentless, it was a close game and Rassie is doing a disservice to two of the world's best teams in picking it apart.
@sbok9481
@sbok9481 Жыл бұрын
Rassie is not the one with the whistle in the mouth. Nor did Rassie told or motivated anyone to send remarks to any referee. The footage was witnessed live by the entire world, including Barnes's inconsistent refereeing.
@beewalkerqt
@beewalkerqt Жыл бұрын
@@sbok9481 My comment was that Rassie was doing a disservice to France and the Springboks who played an intense game; the players themselves. I'm old enough to have loved Rassie as a player but be disappointed in his social media.
@sbok9481
@sbok9481 Жыл бұрын
@@beewalkerqt Strange that you say that Rassie disappoints you in his social media. I could remember that Rassie himself defined "media" -and it's not Rassie's job to educate people in what media is. The reason for Rassie giving a definition of "media" was exactly to individuals who are not educated enough to understand. Why definition?; Eddie Jones conduct special media interviews where he criticises referees. Have a look at Tas analytics videos of how often Eddie does it. Those footage are then posted on social media. It is also published on other media platforms, like articles. Eddie Jones also conduct post match interviews where he criticises referees at will after a game. Dave Rennie: We all know, last year November, how Rennie climbed into referees during a post match media interview. That happened a week after he said that coaches should not criticise referees , refering to Rassie. During the week after his post match interview, he had additional media interviews complaining about referee standards. Warren Gatland: Was the one individual who started it all, influencing and criticising the referee in the BIL series against SA even before the game started in media interviews. He made sure the referees hears his criticism. The referee, Nick Berry, then had the worst game in his history by even ignoring SA Captain on the field in sight of the entire rugby world. That was the referee overdoing it, demonstrating that he is not favouring SA, as Gatland insinuated. SA went to lose that game that was handled unprofessionally by Berry. Rassie responded with his 62-minute video. Rassie was made out to be the villain, suddenly forgetting all about Gatland the week before. Dave Foster: The NZ coach that continued with the habit of criticising referees and highlighting players supposed transgressions before a rugby match, especially against SA. He knows how to influence referees. One example was when Kurt-Lee Arendse had a great game against NZ, and SA beating them, Rennie was the entire week in media interviews forcing for a red carded Arendse to be banned. WR heard him and suspended a player who played his first test match, kept his eyes on the ball and ran himself concussed into the legs of Barret. Not deliberate. So, every coach choses their own media platforms to get their points across. Whether Rassie leaks a video or use social media, he is always at fault in your eyes, who sees nothing wrong when other coaches do the same. The only difference is that people hate Rassie because he is the current World Champion.
@thomasluke980
@thomasluke980 Жыл бұрын
Wayne is biased against the Boks
@joatmofa0405
@joatmofa0405 Жыл бұрын
@@beewalkerqt Yet here we are, the British media (this KZfaq channel) is doing EXACTLY what they are accusing Rassie of doing - using social media opinion against Rassie - the pot calling the kettle black?
@christiangerhardt2408
@christiangerhardt2408 Жыл бұрын
Dude as a South African I hang my head in shame. You are and will be with the mistakes one of my favourite referees. I apologise for the actions of the hooligans down here.
@mikegray8776
@mikegray8776 Жыл бұрын
Well said, sir. So many decent and Rugby-loving Saffers out there that we have bumped into over the years. But there is now an increasingly visible thug channel, riding shotgun for Rassie’s pettiness, called TAS ANALYTICS - which is essentially just a breeding ground for xenophobic hate. Probably the ONLY place I’ve EVER really come across this in either Union or League. Maybe decent South African supporters - like yourselves - can address this to preserve our game from the grip of the idiots. There have always been rivalries - and please God, there always will be - but the hate has got to stop. I originally sent this reply to one of your level-headed countrymen above - but I was moved by your comment too.
@christiangerhardt2408
@christiangerhardt2408 Жыл бұрын
@@mikegray8776 indeed it's just a game man. We have to move past the Anglo boer war.
@scubasausage
@scubasausage Жыл бұрын
I always liked Wayne Barnes as a referee and this interview made me like him even more.
@MeanAzz_13
@MeanAzz_13 Жыл бұрын
Arguably the *best* Ref going, treats players with respect, great communicator, unbiased and plays it down the middle. Never gonna get a perfect Ref n mistakes will happen, "2007 forward pass" 😢 but that's rugby, keep it up Barnsy! Only Cowards attack the Families of Sportsmen, Coaches and Officials. From *NZL* 🇳🇿
@shane1899
@shane1899 6 ай бұрын
And also just fucked the rwc final hes a rubbish ref always has been always will be
@dougsaunders8109
@dougsaunders8109 Жыл бұрын
Only came here to comment having listened as Podcast. Bloody brilliant. Wayne,top bloke, great at explaining all things rugby. Also should put a shout out to Benjamin, he is fantastic at being pat of an team. Chap is going to be in great demand in 2023! Six stars
@manuelgouveia2710
@manuelgouveia2710 6 ай бұрын
Great referee. It’s not an easy task to ref a game and get every call correct. But this has normally, swings and round abouts in a game. Thank you.
@jeffwright1
@jeffwright1 Жыл бұрын
Guys - I love the GBR Pods but this is one of the best ones I have listened to. A really intelligent and thought provoking look at rugby values and the circumstances surrounding the horrendous online threats and abuse dished out on social media platforms. Thanks for your honesty and bravery Barnesy from a former Welsh referee.
@camwells9726
@camwells9726 7 ай бұрын
I’m a kiwi we weren’t too fond of him in 2007 😂, But water under the bridge , have no problems with him reffing our games now days , in fact I prefer him to others We do have to remember the human element with these guys
@EdLo3
@EdLo3 Жыл бұрын
Genuinely one of the best interviews you guys have done! The only way forward is for platforms to ask users to provide proof of ID on a yearly basis. I just hope that World Rugby is doing everything in their power to reach out to platforms to try to change things, clearly this can't go on. The impact on referees and anyone in fact who receives this type of abuse cannot be understated.
@yingyang1008
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
Dunno man - many people would be unable to report on news in their country, on certain people, without anonymity Why use Twitter if you're a referee - just avoid it
@biggest23
@biggest23 7 ай бұрын
You're the epitome of a tyrant's supporters club, convinced of your moral righteousness while being so.
@paulbarber5196
@paulbarber5196 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview, keep up the great work Wayne.
@marybrangan5870
@marybrangan5870 7 ай бұрын
Great thanks to Wayne Barnes as a very fair minded ref a very good ref a man who knows his profession extremely well lam an Irish rugby Leinster fan thanks to you Wayne good luck in the future Peter
@jasonrandell6523
@jasonrandell6523 Жыл бұрын
So sorry to hear what Wayne Barnes and his family have been through in recent weeks, as well as other referees. This is Rugby, it's about respect for the game and for the people, be it players, refs, supporters and clubs. Yeh...there is banter but not pure hatred for someone, those people who are saying this don't truly know what Rugby is about.
@kylelouer4323
@kylelouer4323 Жыл бұрын
Wayne is all class. Top ref, top man. Fucking awful how he gets treated and wtf is wrong with people attacking his wife? Fuck man, that’s not rugby.
@brucetucker4365
@brucetucker4365 7 ай бұрын
AB fan here. Wayne is probably the finest referee going round and if England dont make the RWC 23 final then he MUST be the final referee if the ABs are in it. I have refereed Rugby and for all you know alls out there it is a BLOODY tough job. I love watching Waynes people skills in pressure situations. Ive NEVER seen or heard him raise his voice to a player. If he makes a mistake he owns up to it EVERY time. He has to go down as one of the sports greatest ever Referees. End of story.
@walterwiniana
@walterwiniana 6 ай бұрын
Your the man Wayne Barnes, as a New Zealander I do respect you as a fair rugby referee wether it goes against my team or for my team. Every decision you make really makes sense to me. Which is in my book is fair. Keep up the good referring mate. This is written before the final of the 2023 World Cup final.
@matthew_kiely
@matthew_kiely 6 ай бұрын
Gifting SA 3 points in a World Cup Final, then within a minute he admitted his mistake on the mic.
@garethrichmond4388
@garethrichmond4388 6 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say enjoy your retirement Wayne Barnes you are a great ref. They way you have been treated by some "fans" is an absolute disgrace. I appreciate everything youve done for the game.
@ceiremulligan252
@ceiremulligan252 Жыл бұрын
Really great show. Much needed discussion, now to act and improve on this as a rugby community.
@peterlloyd7997
@peterlloyd7997 Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode!
@jphillips2210
@jphillips2210 Жыл бұрын
Wow, Barnes really impressed. Seams an intelligent guy and good chat all round. Good on him.
@petelewis6920
@petelewis6920 Жыл бұрын
What a top bloke Mr Barnes is. Had the pleasure of meeting him on a number of occasions when I was the comms man for various premiership games over an 11 year period. Always polite and respectful.
@ryansylvester303
@ryansylvester303 Жыл бұрын
Social media is the issue, wish the worlds leaders would so something about it. excellent discussion and great show as always.
@tomsearles2041
@tomsearles2041 Жыл бұрын
loved this!!!
@EnglishVeteran
@EnglishVeteran Жыл бұрын
Outstanding Podcast
@YeshuaisEMET
@YeshuaisEMET 6 ай бұрын
🥹😭Jor thats all i can say, this team is so real its unreal. I dnt know if anyone noticed what Siya did when removing his arm bands, the one on his right hand has the following on it, JESUS and a CROSS. Before he removed it he kissed it....this is the amount of respect these guys have for their MAKER. i just love them all The LORD bless you guys and ladies real good.❤
@stephenjudge4356
@stephenjudge4356 Жыл бұрын
New found respect. Wayne Barnes you have a new South African fan.
@wilsonsandviviennethevan.3090
@wilsonsandviviennethevan.3090 Жыл бұрын
Just watched your latest vlog . Very interesting chat with I would say one of the best referees in the game .How sad that he felt so abused by so called rugby fans he thought about leaving the game . However that vlog should be put out on a prime time slot on tv it was one of the most honest and thought provoking interviews on sport I’ve listened to . Well done Good bad & the Rugby for airing the issues and for Wayne Barnes for such a heartfelt reply . Congratulations Wayne Barnes on your career and surpassing 100 caps
@jamesgunn5103
@jamesgunn5103 5 ай бұрын
Wayne, thanks for your wonderful career - I have enjoyed your refereeing / sense of humour etc almost as much as the games. Best wishes to you and your family ! There are many things the governing bodies could do about this kind of social media abuse ! Here are some suggestions: ban individuals from international matches for a period / life, from all profesional rugby matches and in serious cases ban them from playing competitive rugby, publish their names (with a short statement of why and links to more details) on an annual black list, announce their ban on their social media feeds (Yes plural) for all their customers, employers, colleagues, friends and family to see. Let them appeal through a show tribunal streamed from the IRB / relevant governing body website !
@ivandeetlefs
@ivandeetlefs Жыл бұрын
Top ref. I hope they still go ahead to honour him at the stadium.
@carlh296
@carlh296 Жыл бұрын
This was brilliant. Thankyou. Going forwards I think it would be great for you to have Nigel Owens on the show as a regular guest. Somebody hugely respected in the game who has the ref's view point, and these days, apart from busy with his cows, maybe has the time to spend with you.
@stevenraitamata7890
@stevenraitamata7890 Жыл бұрын
Hat's off to you Barnesy, you are role model to all the ref out there and always love to see you officiating a game..
@shane1899
@shane1899 6 ай бұрын
He 100% the problem with union rubbish referee too much stopping and starting and still gets heaps of calls wrong
@sambeckingsale2542
@sambeckingsale2542 Жыл бұрын
Let's be honest. Errasmus opened a can of worms. Those involved with rugby saw this coming and he, in particular, needs to take a large chunk of the blame. Accept it.
@therealmrfishpaste
@therealmrfishpaste Жыл бұрын
....indeed...he must take the blame for fans threatening refs after the England vs France match and the Australia vs Ireland....
@sambeckingsale2542
@sambeckingsale2542 Жыл бұрын
@@therealmrfishpaste I agree
@thomasluke980
@thomasluke980 Жыл бұрын
Accept that refs are biased and World Rugby is corrupt.
@patrickchilds2987
@patrickchilds2987 10 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@thomasluke980 WR and these same refs were at the RWC in Japan. Are you suggesting that as they are so bias that along with WR that they fixed games allowing the Boks to win the tournament . Wierd how these refs were fine at the RWC then but now these same refs are bias Or is it you only think they are bias when South Africa lose ?
@thomasluke980
@thomasluke980 10 ай бұрын
@@patrickchilds2987 have you watched Rassie’s video ? Go do some research. There are plenty of videos showing clear bad calls against the Boks. We don’t lose every game or win the WC because of the ref but it does happen. Today the Boks were poor and the AB’s were far the superior team despite one or two controversial ref decisions but we were hammered by the most successful team in world sport. Their record is UNBEATABLE.
@philwebbphotography3630
@philwebbphotography3630 Жыл бұрын
Great interview, love the idea of different technologies being introduced. Maybe give the ref a taser to pick off the third man joining a ruck to form a train ;-)
@maholosiane
@maholosiane 7 ай бұрын
Love Wayne, he is friendly and speak to captains as equals rather than school master tone……players get that….and as fans we get that…..the way he calls on Siya, you would think they’re mates for years….
@NickSchoonwinkel
@NickSchoonwinkel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very interesting conversation. What an achievement to act in 100 rugby tests as the referee. I played rugby for 26 years. That was before we had TV in South Africa. My experience of sports is that as long as the human factor is involved, mistakes will be made. With the better technology, we as TV viewers see what the TMO decides and if the decision goes against our team, we will never agree because we will all always favor our own team. Especially when it's a 50/50 game and the other team beats our own team by 3 points.
@josephtanner4923
@josephtanner4923 Жыл бұрын
Amazing interview and the day that Barnes leaves the game, it will be a sad day
@thomasluke980
@thomasluke980 Жыл бұрын
It will be the best day ever !
@douglasbell7667
@douglasbell7667 8 ай бұрын
Wayne Barnes total respect !
@ianunwin
@ianunwin Жыл бұрын
Wayne Barnes great referee explains why he has come to his decisions on the pitch, he can only ref what he sees. Dont let these wrong uns be the victors, merry xmas to all on the pod cast and have a great new year.
@davidcoulthard8531
@davidcoulthard8531 Жыл бұрын
Cracking hour with three proper blokes. WB is a good ref. He should be chuffed by what he has achieved. Go well lad.
@JoanneHennessy
@JoanneHennessy Жыл бұрын
Hi Amazing episode. I freely admit that despite following rugby (mainly England internationals) for many years I still don't understand the rules. The big attraction of the game to me was that the attitudes were a world away from say football as (and you have talked about this on this episode) the attitude was better based on respect and discipline on and off the pitch. This was the main reason I encouraged both my boys to play the game. I think that the abuse the Wayne and his wife and family have received is disgusting and totally unacceptable in any forum. I think that unfortunately there is a change in attitude throughout the game. My youngest plays at under 14s level and over the course of this season I have noticed an increase in comments from the side-lines from parents. We had a home game and the away parents were so vocal and derogatory it felt more like an away match which created an intimidated atmosphere. I live in Essex and Essex RFU have sent out a directive about this type of thing as well as abuse of officials. This s new to me and through my oldest (U18s) this is the a new-ish thing. I appreciate that this is nothing like the horrific experience of Wayne and his family but I this does show that the old values now seem to carry much less weight which is very sad and disappointing. The podcasts are brilliant, entertaining and are increasing my understanding of the game. Thank you. Jo
@horfieldboy9478
@horfieldboy9478 Жыл бұрын
Great discussion and lots that could be taken and acted on, genuine top referee and top man. Can't imagine what kind of sad person would threaten anyone over a refereeing decision - not real rugby fans. Rules do need attention, they need reducing and simplifying, genuine opportunity to blow at virtually every ruck, maul, scrum and line-out. No wonder the viewer / fan can find fault with refereeing decisions.
@tegmatthews1047
@tegmatthews1047 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding episode. Barnsey…. Just a matter of time before he is PM.
@annettekolb3103
@annettekolb3103 7 ай бұрын
Wayne i have a huge amount of respect for you. I will draw the line when my family become involved where they are not doing your job as a ref. Wow i think it is in poor taste. You handled it well and i hope and pray we get you in the quarter finals world cup 2023 vs France since this was filmed in 2022 dec
@KarenDodo9
@KarenDodo9 7 ай бұрын
A great perspective, wow not ok at all on any level, ever. Great point Ben, it isn't just rugby, the world is angry and abusive atm, sorry for your family Wayne and Polly
@bensearle7536
@bensearle7536 Жыл бұрын
Very sad to hear the abuse that Wayne and his family have received. Wishing you all the best, Wayne. Awesome referee. Great show. On a side note, can you ask Ben where he got his jumper from? Asking for me not a friend
@sachinbangaru737
@sachinbangaru737 Жыл бұрын
❤ you Wayne
@andrewtanner7891
@andrewtanner7891 Жыл бұрын
I had a conversation with Luke Pearce a week after he refereed South Arica when they lost. Not a pleasant experience afterwards. South Africa need to take a hard look at themselves.
@sbok9481
@sbok9481 Жыл бұрын
Where did anyone attack Luke Pearce? Don't make up sit. Do you know only about 10%of SA's are interested in rugby? Don't you disrespect our counties people.
@zebinmarais4697
@zebinmarais4697 Жыл бұрын
@@sbok9481 Don’t let this savage drag you into his narrative … must be an ex Bell Pottinger employee! 🤔
@daviddempster8717
@daviddempster8717 Жыл бұрын
Just a touch patronising Andrew🤘🏻🇿🇦
@thomasluke980
@thomasluke980 Жыл бұрын
World Rugby needs to take a hard look at themselves. Corruption is rife. Wayne is a cheat !
@thomasluke980
@thomasluke980 Жыл бұрын
@@sbok9481 10% ?? Are you drunk ?
@michaeljones3242
@michaeljones3242 Жыл бұрын
It’s so refreshing seeing a refs view of things. And we rugby fans community are treading that fine line between us and football fans far to much of late. Yes be passionate yes support but the booing during the anthems Hakka and personal threats to the wife and children of a ref is unacceptable 😢and heart breaking ❤️‍🩹 we are not football!!!!
@mikegray8776
@mikegray8776 Жыл бұрын
So sorry to hear what you’ve had to contend with Barnesy. And although none of us is perfect, the game owes you and your fellow Refs a huge debt. I hope - although I am far from convinced - that all Rugby administrations worldwide will form up behind you to oppose modern day “virtual” thuggery wherever they find it.
@thomaspollock5709
@thomaspollock5709 Жыл бұрын
Barnes is a french lover
@GoodBadRugby
@GoodBadRugby Жыл бұрын
0:05 - Show Starts 0:50 - Wayne's Languages 4:54 - The Last Few Weeks 8:37 - France vs Springboks 10:50 - Post Match Debriefs 16:12 - Social Abuse 26:58 - Rassie Tweets 34:06 - Wayne's SA games 38:36 - Twickenham Cancelled 46:19 - Expectations & Technology 1:00:09 - Wayne The Lawyer 1:10:14 - 2007 1:13:32 - Unique Transport 1:18:12 - Wayne In 2023?
@garethm4800
@garethm4800 Жыл бұрын
Alex and the team, I always find your show and discussions out the top draw and this episode was no different. I love rugby and everything it represents and I'm really saddened to hear what Wayne had to say and as a South African, I'm really sorry that happened and there are no excuses for that kind of behaviour. We are proud of our heritage as a nation but I'm not proud of the arrogance and stupidity displayed by part of our population who can't think beyond themselves. Without making excuses and honestly trying not to wear my green and gold glasses, maybe because we are on the tip of Africa and news travels here slowly but world rugby seems to sit in glass towers and some of the real issues are not been addressed and it's leading to a lot of frustrations boiling over. If we were crying over losing world cups etc then perhaps everyone outside of SA has a case. A lot of the frustrations stem from the B&I Lions tour and it seems like no one recognises the shots fired by Warren Gatland with a silencer on his gun but everyone heard Rassie's and the punishment dished out backs up what I'm saying. There was a man who once said, he who is without sin, cast the first stone. For the last 2 years as I've listened to podcasts on rugby from across the globe, Rassie is referenced regularly in a negative light but everyone acknowledges the problems that exist with WR but nothing seems to change and if it is, then WR needs to get a public liaison officer who is briefing the rugby community. When things aren't dealt with properly, frustrations become louder and clearer and in this case, the controversy doesn't go away.
@johnkane568
@johnkane568 Жыл бұрын
How do you find the Lock In if you are not an apple fan?
@fw_114
@fw_114 Жыл бұрын
Wayne Barnes is an absolute chap.
@unclefester831
@unclefester831 Жыл бұрын
One of the better referees in the game today along with Jaco Peyper
@Trajan2401
@Trajan2401 7 ай бұрын
Old Wayne forgot his glasses in 2007 Barnes
@uChakide
@uChakide Жыл бұрын
As a boks supporter, I have a love-hate relationship with WB. But any threat is an absolute no-no! Even if it was just directed at him it is not on, but family is completely off-limits. I hope, but I'm not confident, that it wasn't Bok supporters. Whoever they were they are shitty excuses for human beings.
@somanytakennames
@somanytakennames Жыл бұрын
“Hate”? I hope that’s hyperbole. Because I fail to see how you can “hate” a referee.
@uChakide
@uChakide Жыл бұрын
@somanytakennames I find it interesting that you read the phrase love-hate and only saw the word hate. So I will be overtly clear, yes it is hyperbole, just like the 99.9% of times that phrase is used.
@somanytakennames
@somanytakennames Жыл бұрын
@@uChakide Can never be too sure with the way sports fans behave these days 🤷‍♂️
@uChakide
@uChakide Жыл бұрын
@@somanytakennames fair enough
@janhbhugo5085
@janhbhugo5085 6 ай бұрын
Wayne did a excellent job during the World Cup as did the whole team ! Now if only the players could get it right especially Owen Farrell who shows no respect ! Congratulations !
@patrickchilds2987
@patrickchilds2987 6 ай бұрын
How would you police and assess players respect in the game ? Rule 9 in the law book covers this Refs like Nigel Owen’s and Wayne Barnes speak highly of Owen Farrell and don’t consider him disrespectful. How would that appease fans such as yourself who are upset by him ?
@jakhaughton1800
@jakhaughton1800 7 ай бұрын
Saying things is one things; doing them is a different
@licas63
@licas63 Жыл бұрын
What a joy the game of rugby! I owe it to my dear dad who made me to watch the 5 Nations back in 1970. The portuguese national tv use to show all the games and dad would have me next to him laughing loud every time a big tackle was made telling me those were men, proper MEN. Good old days.
@JasonConlan75
@JasonConlan75 Жыл бұрын
I have got to say that Wayne has got a LOT better in recent years but that comes with experience in my opinion congrats on the 100 caps
@WelshGallivanter
@WelshGallivanter Жыл бұрын
That's just not on! Big respect to Mr Barnes 👊🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
@boomdiada.9009
@boomdiada.9009 Жыл бұрын
Please increase the volume, enjoy your chats, when they are audible.
@Damudean
@Damudean Жыл бұрын
I think the biggest problem is there is too many rules for the referees to adjudicate. And so much is so fast it’s a lucky coin toss which rule to pick up or should you call every rule is the other problem
@mromegakiwi4952
@mromegakiwi4952 Жыл бұрын
I was fairly disappointed by the reaction on Twitter, but also not surprised. It's well known that some of your most vocal and nasty individuals lurk around there and lashing out behind anonymous pseudonyms. I do believe Rassie has learned from this, many see him as a rugby messiah and will support him a bit too fervently. Sorry that it had to come to this. Hopefully we'll go back to some sort of normality soon. The elephant in the room remains, however, with Laporte's recent condemnation only fueling the fire. WR is far too opaque in its systems, with referees being fed to the wolves, especially when 50/50 decisions are being made. Thanks to all the referees for braving it out there, more support from TMO/sidelines and clarity needed overall IMO.
@DarrenAndOzzy
@DarrenAndOzzy 7 ай бұрын
Simon Pegg needs to play him in his biographical movie ;)
@johnrob6132
@johnrob6132 Жыл бұрын
As a 79 year old I have always loved the game of rugby and its ethos of respect for those refereeing the game and the camaraderie between players and fans. It is something to be valued and safeguarded. However with the lowering standards of behaviour in society in general it is more important than ever not to allow this to creep into the game with some players beginning to question decisions and showing dissent to referees and shouting at them to give yellow or red cards. It may only happen on some occasions at the moment but it is like rust acting on metal, its only surface damage at first but if left it eats into the core and destroys the whole structure . Only World Rugby has the can of " Cure Rust " and they need to start applying it.
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