You can't compare Path of Exile and Diablo IV, because they are games with fundamentally different goals. Path of Exile was designed to be a good game, Diablo IV was designed to be an engagement engine keeping players spending money.

I said a month ago that Diablo 4 was the best thing to happen to PoE. D4 also cured me of ever pre-ordering a game ever again

People at at Blizzard understood everything. After Activision came in, they were always focus on maximum profit from casual playerbase and traded slowly its reputation for $$. On the other side small studio GGG had to gain trust and deliver, profiting only from cosmetic MTX's. We are on turning point now - even super casual players are getting sick of Blizzard greed and GGG keeps delivering with no pay to win.

It's disturbing how d4 defenders won't come and try a f2p game. They're doubling down on their affirmations. To come play and have fun in a competitors environment means they have to admit they were wrong. Something that's not easy to do for a lot of people.

this is literally me. I played D3 for years, never touched PoE. Till D4 flopped then i did, im blown away and pissed i missed 10 years of this game.

I'm one of the diablo exiles. POE has everything I wanted from D4 and I can't imagine myself ever going back, even if they fix the current problems. I expect POE 2 to come out before D4 is fixed.

KZfaq algorithm is getting better. I watch your first video as a react from Asmongold. Now the algorithm sent me your video directly. Nice video btw :)

Everyone needs to try PoE. It's so fucking good. I recently started mapping and the game is superior in every way. I paid less than I did for d4 and I have a ton of tabs that autosort and store damn near anything I could want in game

I like how Blizzard failed all of us as a company that we once loved... now it's just a shell, huge corp that has only money in mind

The more you learn about Path of Exile, the more you realize PoE is the next Diablo 2 you've been looking everywhere.

I went all in poe when I saw the garbage that was D3. I'm continuously not amazed by people giving them money year after year game after game lol. I've been trapped in bad games before but I've never been trapped over and over by the same company. I'm not even mad at em anymore. You can't blame them, you can only blame the gamers at this point.

Tri this video is an absolute BANGER. The way you presented it, the talking points, the editing, the background music……man I gotta give you your flowers this is a masterpiece and fully explains everything that’s going on right now and why the community feels the way they do. As a fellow POE enjoyer major props and I hope we get more exiles to come over.

Finally some good fucking food. Minimal editing, no super manicured set, just good writing and a great orator.

It's definitely human nature to compare things! Especially when they're in similar niches. ARPGs rely on a similar core experience (real-time, action-oriented games with a power-fantasy feel and customizable statistical progression supported by randomized loot), and have consistent elements that invite direct comparison. Which campaign do I like better? How fast is the leveling process? Do loot drops and gear upgrades feel good? How's the variety of things to do in the game? How do the skills play? How well can I support a playstyle I enjoy? How's the diversity and viability of character builds? How easily understandable are the game mechanics? How 'grindy' does it feel, and is the grind fun or boring? How often does new content get released and is that content compelling? Regardless of individual answers, you can ask these questions of both games, and it's pretty natural to do so!

D3 still have Necromancer class behind a paywall.

That moment with Wyatt on stage was odd as hell. The disconnection with their fanbase really surfaced back then. Its also odd to see so many ppl being 10 yrs late to the PoE party. Welcome. Seasonal economy is buzzing. Stay sane, exiles

You cannot compare marketers to developers.

"What? Do you not have nets, Exile?"

I'm a Diablo fan since D1 and totally ignored PoE for a decade.. However, since D3 and D2R I came to my realization that I missed the best ARPG that's out in the market today and that's PoE. I deeply regret that I quit PoE back in 2015 and now in 2023, I enjoy PoE with a level 31 ranger character. Like the old saying "better late than never". Yes PoE is very very overwhelming, however, the campaign is spot on for an ARPG, every corner is new, mobs are great and not boring, and the skills are limitless. For an old game, PoE can go head to head with D4 at any time. Try it, you'll be surprised.

PoE was never afraid to compare itself to its peers and competitors in the APRG space. Diablo and Blizzard never compared themselves but to previous Diablo titles. Probably one key reason Diablo 4 felt so out of date

Well...to quote the mighty Einhar. "Don't you have nets Exile ?"

Great Video, Im new to poe it has refreshed my love and joy in gaming, Always loved diablo but poe is insane wish i would have played it over diablo 3 and 4, i just didnt know it existed and it was free my mind was boggled.

Hey man, nice to see a new video from you. I saw your videos and got into POE, and I'm loving it. I feel really stupid that I'm just discovering this, but the figuring out the skill tree (I'm on my 3rd character), and it has been a blast. Furthermore, I hope more people give POE a go, and see what a game it is. I do have to be honest, it is a ruff sell for an average gamer (like me). Because POE doesn't hold your hand, and you have to build your own character up. Whereas in diablo (and some other ARPG), these games help you out building your character. What makes bricking a character in those games hard, to almost impossible. But when I made my first working build, it felt rewarding. Now I want to see what I can do and come up with, and that is something that really pulls me towards POE. Thanks man!

just a quick note not equal is not denoted by /=/ it is denoted by =/=

You can compare a pear with an apple. By comparing a series of characteristics such as color, shape, texture, flavor, etc. in the case of fruits, it can be determined that an apple is not a pear and vice versa. The simple fact of distinguishing one thing from another is the result of a comparison. Saying that a game is not comparable to another game of the same type is meaningless. Good video, greetings from Argentina

Loved the video, what times and or days do you stream.

24:39 PoE: “ACKNOWLEDGE ME!” 😂

"Do you guys not have phones?" Six words that never should have been uttered.

Man PoE is still amazing, its easy to overlook the flaws when you have so many cool things to enjoy. I can literally sit and play poe for 10hrs and not want to quit when life demands i must lol. I struggled to play d4 more than an hr at a time.

Btw it’s Isaac Newton who compared apples 🍎 and planets 🪐 and discovered the laws of celestial mechanics

Props for bringing up DM. He's the ideal representation of how D4 players felt

I loved loved teh Diablo series because of the arpg element (of course) and I'd go as far as saying moreso because of the lore. Strangely enough I never cared much for POE's lore (although 10 years later I know quite a bit of it), I played mainly for the pure joy of hacking and slashing ans stuff. Today I look at the state of Diablo 4, and although I'm a POE handy, I'm sad at the state of D4; in my mind players more of that game, surely for the price hike alone I guess. I wish D4 players trully gave a chance at POE, being better or not, and not purely say "POE is trash" because you're a pure Diablo fan...

RIP to 2001; the last time blizzard listened to their fan base

Camp 4 here : Tri guy is explaining his 1 minute idea but in 26 minutes

I dunno man, massive AAA games can't be compared to smaller company games or they might have to work on making the games more fun to play rather than just bigger.

I played D2 until 3am every night in the early 2000's. Then I played D3 heavily from 2017 through 2019 and really enjoyed it. I got into POE in December 2019, fell in love with it and have been playing it as pretty much my only game since. I tried out D4, enjoyed the campaign, then went back to POE. I've listened to a lot of opinions from POE players, and here's something that I feel a lot of POE players get wrong: they think that POE is competition for Diablo. It's understandable; in their mind POE is a much better game and that's how I feel too. (Truth be told, I feel both games have their strengths and weaknesses, but that POE wins out in terms of endgame and character customizition.) If POE and Diablo were restaurants, POE would be a small fancy bistro, and Diablo would be McDonald's. The food at the POE bistro is far superior, but in order to get a reservation there is a two month waiting list, and the menu is in French, so you need to learn French in order to be able to order your food. Some people don't mind a two-month waiting list, and pride themselves on knowing French and being able to order off the menu. They love dressing up in in expensive suit or fancy dress and eating steak with a glass of wine while being serenaded by a live violinist. But the number of people who enjoy this is limited. McDonald's, on the other hand, has far inferior food but is very accessible. You walk in, you look at a picture on the wall, and tell the cashier what you want. In two minutes you're walking out with your cheap burger and fries, able to go home and chow down while you watch TV. And an INFINITELY larger amount of people prefer this. So the POE bistro is far superior in terms of food quality, but although it makes a good living for itself, McDonald's has stores all over the world and makes billions. No matter how successful the bistro is, it does not even vaguely affect the market share of McDonald's. McDonald's, quite frankly, does not care about the bistro. It is not competition. By way of example, D4 made more money in a few days than POE has made SINCE ITS INCEPTION. So when I play D4 and cringe at seeing a "green arrow = better item", I am self-aware enough to know that I am just a snooty bistro patron.

CAMP 4: I just wanna watch something while I eat.

My opinion is not that diablo is worse than path, its that blizzard killed any trust I had in them when they surrendered diablo 3 to hackers. I still play poe.

Only reason I haven't jumped into PoE is because BG3 dropped and I have been waiting for that for years. But I have a few friends who love PoE and always have positive things to say about it. They tried D4 when it came out and went back to PoE because the game just lacks in so many ways.

"It's like comparing apples to planets. Who in their right mind would do that??" - Isaac Newton: "What?"

Fantastic video! Loved your opening too with the changing looks lol.

While we can't compare them, we most certainly *can* contrast them. ='[.]'=

What's the music on 24:37 playing?

Most of us saw the writing on the wall as soon as the merger took place. We weren't wrong.

Room is TOO CLEAN!!!!!

I never really thought about it before, but now that you mention it, apples and planets do have a couple of things in common (when we assume earth-like planets). They both are roughly round in shape. They both have a three layer structure: Planets with crust, mantle and core and with apples, peel, flesh and core. They can both support life on their surface They can both have living creatures burrowing through their insides. :P

I keep collecting same thoughts about POE and GGG through the years and you summarize everything so good. Cris and his team is just outstanding guys i love so much. They are true gamers, honest partners and talanted developers. I cant wish developers better for my favourite games and i infinitely appreciate them for this. ❤ great video man!

I agree comparing diablo 4 and poe is like comparing a piece of popo with a gold bar. It just doesn't make any sense 😅

Camp 4: Duh...one has passion and Heart the other wants your Money and has no idea what you want even when you scream it at the devs

This was actually so well-done - first thing I've ever seen from this channel. Great historical lesson, and I really enjoyed the narrative as the video went on to gradually get more obvious. :D

Enjoyed the video. only thing I thought was off was you at the end you talking about having fun in PoE while Sirus was on the screen. Die-beam PTSD

Diablo 3 was like the son of a King who is lazy and takes what he has for granted... while Path of Exile is the bastard son that is the spitting image and a believer in the legacy of their father the King

You do great work. Editing, voice, comedy, and content. All top notch. Love you, keep it up

cherry on the top is that (if I remember correctly) when d3 was released the next expansion in poe was titled Betrayal or it was after diablo.immoral was announced

The most important comparison is, which game pushed more players to PoE. Diablo 3, or Diablo 4?

i just started Path of Exile just a few hours in and i have no complaints

Nothing hits like a Tri Lore history videro , TY sir

Love this channel. Thanks for the video Tri

Hey Tri love your videos! I’ve dabbled in PoE but I think I’m gonna wait to go all in until PoE 2. Have you tried Last Epoch? I tried it after burning out on D4 quickly and I’m LOVING it, it’s right in the middle between D4 and PoE in terms of complexity and what you have to learn, which is perfect for me since I only have a few hours a week to play

The problem with D4 is it was built for console players before PC players and they also have all skills with cool-downs and no mana pots, D1/D2 had them and had no cool-downs. With out that D4 dead for me.

Aloha! Disclaimer: The following is my 'opinion' and if it is not true for you, thats okay, but stay gentle! Also, im a native german, so my english is not as good as from many others, so if i got a typo or a sentence make less sense as i hoped, so be it. I will try my best, to write as understandable as i am able to. I think, to compare Path of Exile and Diablo 2, 3 or 4, is the right of everyone, even if i think we should not. The pure possible complexity of Path of Exile (folowing mentioned as PoE), in all it deeps facetts, is also playable by casuals, but they are not the focused audience. I wound discribe PoE as the 'Dark Souls' of the Action RPG/Hack'n'Slay genre. I played PoE for multiple thousands of hours and still feel often like a noob. In case of Diablo, i would say its more casual friendly, and i dont mean it in a bad way! Often is the word 'casual' stigmatised as a slur or something. But some gamers got a child, wife or husband, and also work to do. A game that dont 'devours' all the time easily is a welcome change in thier life, i think. Also does 'fun' means different things for different people. Sure, i think, in my opinion, that PoE is a far FAR better game. But that does not deny the truth of the huge playerbase Diablo got. And yes, i mean from 2 to 4. So, yeah, cause they got the same genre they are not comparable in my opinion. For me it feels like compare those both game like a father that build a little 'playshack' in the backyard for its two sons, and an architect, that finished his third multi million building. Sure, both created something with a roof. But... Compare? Naaah. But both got thier place and hopefully an audiance, that love it for that, what it is. So... you can 'compare' them both. Hopefully, when you do it, you have played both games to have your own opinion on that. And dont 'followtalk' just someone else. And if you do so, i hope you found at least one game, that you want to stick with. And which you love to play. And for me, thats Path of Exile!

Ruthless PoE is what real remaster of diablo 2, feels and play like diablo 2, i suggest strongly try it for players wanting that diablo 2 experience with more mechanics rather than just baal/meph/pindle runs

You are forgetting one thing: D4 was announced 10 month after Destiny 2 left Activision. And the whole D4 system, the upcoming yearly extensions, the gameplay mechanics and also small details, like the gear score is identical to Destiny 2. I've played enough Destiny 2 to know that I don't want to play the same game from another perspective.

Comparing poe to d4 is an insult to poe

Blizzard isn't the people that built Diablo anymore, they're just the studio who owns the IP.

I am one of those who knows poe exist but still didn't try it because of thinking its complicated. I have always been a fan of arpgs, d2, d2r, torchlight2 & grimdawn are the ones I played. I had High hopes for d4 since its new and looking like dark tone the same as d2. I played it and I can see that I had some fun, there are many issues specially getting bored easily once reaching lvl 70s onwards when you're just doing nm dungeons over and over and over again. that's when I finally said to myself that I need to try poe. and I love it. I can get more inspiration and maybe integrate some of the things I see in my own game.

man diablo 2 is easily in my top 5 games of all time.! call it nostalgia, call it generational bias, idc. it was one of those few games you would play endlessly, then take a break for a bit only to find yourself craving it again and again. something about starting with absolutely nothing and building/trading into a monster uber runner was so much fun.

I think you missed an important point in history. D3 was two games, the original was in development by the developers of the brilliant D2 , but was cancelled because WoW took off. Because Blizzard decided they wanted all games going forward to be live service games aimed for casual players. In 2005 all the original diablo staff including it's Inventors Brevick and the Schaefer bothers WALKED OUT. The second D3, and the development hell that followed was a new team trying to guess how to make a Diablo game under blizzard's new rules, not just the rules Wow instigated, the the new rules brought in under Activision in 2008, which were largely based on profit over fun. Diablo left with Brevick & Co. The D3 we got was a diablo game in name only.

Feedback, you totally forgot to mention the firing of Blizz North and how WoW Devs took over Diablo 3, aka Jay Wilson. Lets remember, WoW ultimately killed the Diablo franchise when they fired Blizzard North to help support WoW. This is ultimately where Diablo died, after you killed Baal for the first time in LoD.

Great video! It was like you were reading a story to us lol

"Can't compare them cause they are different games" is probably the weirdest argument I've ever heard. Sure, let's compare D4 to itself. Then it won't look so bad. Another great one is "PoE was around for 10 years, and D4 was just released". Like being a newer game is disadvantage all of a sudden. And also, Diablo was around for 25+ years, so nothing stops Blizzard from adopting every good feature and mechanic from all previous games and implementing them in the latest iteration. Pretty much what GGG are doing with PoE2. If only Blizzard would care more about continuous development and improvement instead of making new sequels and remakes that bring nothing new to the table.

@hawg_gaming deserves a mention here as well. The man's take one the D4 VS PoE is awesome after he too fell in love with PoE...thanks to D4.

I feel like Blizzard lost the plot years ago. A company I adored as a child and now despise as a adult.

Camp 4 is "this guy is laying on the sarcasm a bit thick"

I love you made a statement on who in their right mind would compare an apple to a planet and immediately the first person come to my mind who did that, Sir Isaac Newton :D

I think D4 ability mechanics feel better and visually is better. Every other aspect from character builder, gear, uniques, gameplay mechanics, dopamine drops poe dominates and POE2's main goals are to fix ability mechanics and Visual updates so D4 has to do a whole lot of improving in the next 9 months to keep any dedicated ARPG player

where poe kills diablo is just that they keep iterating, constantly they've added so many mechanics over the years some are hit/miss, some are never seen again or are in completely different forms that makes it a huge barrier of entry for someone new to it, but offers infinitely more grind potential they also allow you to focus or ignore exactly what you want to

I think the most important part of the video was when you talked about Diablo II and it's expansion, and listed all the various ways it improved and iterated on Diablo I and base Diablo II. Now, do the same thing for D4. List all the things that D4 has/does that D3 (or hell, even D2) doesn't. Oh wait. You can't, because D4 is just D3 with improved graphics and a new story campaign. It does nothing new. There isn't better loot, more loot, more bosses, more acts, more content... nothing. Everything in D4 is already in D3. You have the "open world", I guess, but that's literally it. If anything, it's a huge step back - where are the Rune Words? Why are there only 5 Classes? How about Armor Sets? As Hawg (also mentioned in the video) likes to say, it's not Diablo IV. It's Lillith I.

It's unfair to compare D3 and D4 with D1 and D2. One and Two were David Brevik games, D3 and D4 were cheap ripoffs.

Your videos are always fun. Good job

I think they can be easily compared together just based on the fact that they are same genre, and not even loosely so. They have very different target audience, very different goals from the leaders who make them and many other things too are polar opposites. But in a sense, they are the two sides of the same coin.

D4 is a casual couch co-op game designed for players who are new to the ARPG genre. PoE, on the other hand, is a game focused on the hardcore ARP player audience, with many playing daily for weeks, at league launch to a month, and returning every league. This represents a huge gap in the target audience, which should make these games inherently different. It's akin to comparing Starfield to Call of Duty. Furthermore, PoE has benefited from 10 years of updates, and PoE 2 will build upon those updates, ensuring it doesn't launch as a "sad shell of an ARPG" (Jonathan at exilecon 2019) D4 isn't the first Diablo game; there were three prior instalments. However, the team working on it is entirely new to the franchise, and none of them have worked on any prior Diablo game. This means the only elements they have from those games are the assets and the code(and engine). GGG has retained most of the developers who worked on PoE 1 for a decade. They possess intimate knowledge of both the engine and the game itself, guiding the newly hired developers to adhere closely to the vision. This ensures that PoE 2 will release in a much more feature-complete state than D4 ever could.

D4 defenders will say POE has been out for years, so they definitely have more content. Sure. Now let's wait for POE2. Then we will say D4 released before POE2, had 9000 people working on it, years of development and much more. The comparison goes on. XD

path of exile was released and their expectations was that they only needed 10000 players to be able to continue development. Diablo 3 could never sustain itself. I was talking about the disappointment with a friend last night. He finished the campaign once and.. Just doesn't feel any reason to go back to d4. There's abunch of characters, and he likes playing with different build ideas. Yet all the different build options simply do not tempt him. That seems like a failure.

PoE is the true spiritual successor to D2. Which is hilarious because I was in the middle of typing it when you said it in the video- i didn't know they already said that lol

What’s amazing is that a major gaming studio was designing a game in a genre and they had no idea what other games in the genre were even doing. How do you expect to compete when you have no idea what has changed in the genre. It appears that Blizzard was so arrogant that they did not even have a desire to know what their competitors were doing and what is now considered “must have” in the genre. This is eons away from old school Blizzard who brought in top of the line EverQuest players to find out what was good and bad about EverQuest when they were building World of Warcraft. Funny thing is that the Last Epoch developers are doing exactly that, by not only playing other games in the genre, but bringing in and consulting with some of the best ARPG players in the market. And they are making a terrific game. The lesson to be learned is to know your competition and have open conversations with the genre player base.

2046 : Will Diablo 6 be the PoE3 killer?

Only paid influencers still play D4. I deleted D4 after trying out POE. Love it!

if things do not improve after season of blood, it will be my last season on d4

D4 makes me fall asleep.

You skipped d2r which was a fantastic remake of d2 that they are updating. I would say that's the most comparable title to poe1

I love the class option/gameplay in wow/diablo . If i could find something Deathknight esq. I would swap in an instant

It's hilarious to me that people compare PoE1 to D4, and try to make it sound like it's unfair because PoE1 is 10 years old. Don't these people realize that in 1 year we'll be comparing PoE2 to D4, and D4 will be the "older" game...

The arpg market is kind of wierd atm. Poe and diablo are still using previous ideas and just making small adjustments to core game,while others that have tried to innovate and succumb to investment pressure to meet quarterly projections. It's been what like 15 to 17 years since the genre has really changed. It will be interesting to see what happens over next 10 years to poe 2 and d4. I hope they are not afraid to be innovative and take huge leaps out of both the customers and their own comfort zone.

To this day I think grim dawn is the real successor to d2.

Any game that develops into the same genre is guaranteed compared, doesn't matter if you like the game or not

This is what happens when all the gamers who founded the company leave and are replaced by businessmen/women who only care about the bottom line and pleasing shareholders, its not hard to figure out

Yeah... no. Blizzard has had this coming for years now... let them burn.

19:43 the laugh of a psychotic gamer. That is what PoE does to you when you achive greater things

makes more sense to compare d4 to last epoch considering poe is 10 years old