This is the conclusion I came to. We can use the commercialised oils, we can use silicones. Ingredients don't have need to be 100% raw or pure to be of quality. The thing is NOT WASHING the hair in the same proportion we used those hydrophobic ingredients. The problem was that we used them raw oils and butters, we used them basically all the time, and we didn't wash them properly. The oil/butter (like all the other products) serve a purpose, once they've done what they're supposed to, we need to wash them out properly. From what I've seen from the videos of people having bad experiences with using the detox method consistently is that their hair only attracted moisture (bc of the humectant-rich oils) but the strands weren't properly LUBRICATED, as water does not lubricate to the extent than an oil does. The hair detox method was important as it taught as the importance of WASHING OUR HAIR PROPERLY and not completely relying on oils to do miracles on our hair. What it fell short was on the fact that it didn't properly address the post-washing matters of black hair. On the point of the cuts, it's so obvious that the curly cuts were supposed to be a fail. Our hair curls differently in different parts of our hair, it curls different depending on the day, so setting a shape based on a changing nature, is setting up for failure. WHAT AN AMAZING JENN! You're out here doing the Lord's work. Informative black hair care videos is what we need.

Afrikan Hair God has made many of these points. The true professionals understand that there is a reason precise cutting has been the golden standard for many, many years if not many decades.

I definitely agree with what she said, in this video. I knew it had more to do with the no butters no oil method. Then the curly cuts. I’ve been getting curly cuts for years and my hair grew from a mini Afro to shoulder length. When I heard that curly cuts was damaging people’s hair I got scared and stopped getting curly cuts. However my stylist blew out my hair and it’s really healthy so I knew curly cuts alone wasn’t causing damage. Unlike a lot of naturals I could not hop onto the no butters no oil train I’m a believer that if it’s not broke, don’t fix it. And my hair has been flourishing using oils and butters and deep conditioning my hair everyweek. I do however, for the most part use sulfate free shampoos. And clarify once a month or whenever my hair feels gunky. That seems to work for me

Curly Chemist teaches ingredients for the hair. She is excellent and thorough.

I love that even tho Jen is pro the no oils and butters method, she is 100% for learning more and promoting education so she and all of us can get better at doing our hair. She always promotes a balanced discussion of these issues. All while supporting smaller creators, journalists and writers with her platform✨

I agree with her, washing -> condition - > gel did just not make sense to me especially as our scalp produces sebum and our hair strands have fatty components, didn't't make a lick of sense eliminating oil/butters and I also noticed not adding a leavin made it difficult for my hair strands to slide between each other which led to some breakage on my ends. I quickly changed back to wash -> deep condition-> oil based leaving - > tiny grease on the ends ->gel , the only time I skip the leave-in is when I use an oil based curling creams. Hair has been flourishing since. I also do a coconut oil pre- poo. anything to maintain the integrity of my hair, I love to use.

Amena was very professional and graceful; she addressed the topic with much class. I wash and go my kinky hair every week and I found her video to be informative and I learned a lot. Thanks Jen, great work.

I just had a GREAT conversation with a chemist this past weekend about this topic. She basically confirmed most things in this video. Raw oils and butters don't provide us as many benefits but broken down into a product it is great. Our hair needs that lubrication and needs to seal in moisture. Another misconception that group put forward is that oil doesn't seal in water. Oil does slow down the progression of water loss. In school, we were encouraged to purchase and use a dictionary to understand products and their function.

Curly Chemistry has created a set of index cards with the names of hair product ingredients and their function that she sells. Disclaimer: I have not purchased them, but I do watch her videos and, being a black female chemist, she does check the boxes for knowing her stuff. Can't hurt to investigate.

I love how she used the fabric analogy, because BGC ALWAYS compares hair to fabric when explaining their method 👀

She makes A LOT of sense!

Amazing video Jenn! I stopped using raw oils because it was saturating my scalp and that made my hair fall. But once I stopped using leave ins (not bc of the detox thing) my hair started ripping off. Now I've learned that oils are important for the hair, when used in formulated products etc 🙌🏾

Love. Love. Love. And that is how you put an end to a chapter or a period at the end of a sentence. The whole controversy on the split ends should now be done LOLLLL. If people are still asking questions after watching this only God can help you because this was perfect. ❤❤❤❤❤ Thanks Jenn

She hit the nail on the head with the shampoo bit. I think the shampoos BGC markets as “all purpose” might actually be more clarifying. Even the AG Hair shampoo seems pretty strong and that’s what I’ve been using for a couple years, and while I don’t have damage, I have noticed my hair is perpetually ashy. I recently switched to a less stripping shampoo and I’m hoping that’ll help.

She's absolutely right- this is the same thing I've heard from Cosmetic Chemists and dermatologists

Thank you for doing this research for us. I think the lady in the video was very informative especially when it came to ingredients. It also confirms your thought process of not throwing away the whole process but meeting in the middle and utilizing both methods (detoxing the hair every now and then and still using oils).

Everything about the no oils/butters/BGC mantra is flawed, and they insist on teaching coily hair types to accept the messed up state of their hair to be normal and to stop chasing perfection. I respect the value that black stylists bring to style textured hair but I don't trust stylists to be the authoritative voice for the health of textured hair anymore. With the BGC method, when I blew out my hair it looked healthy, when I used styling products my hair looked healthy, but my hair in it's natural state had several splits/tumbleweed ends/loss of my natural luster - it was an absolute mess and I would have had to rely on K18/Olaplex, have trims every 6-8 weeks just to have viable hair and it was impossible to retain length. I have since returned to the old methods from the natural hair movement such as the LOC method, pre-poos, oils/butters and have made accommodations for my low-porosity/fine hair, my hair is thriving.

UFD and I create hold gels have safe ingredients. However gels and mousse are drying so using them on freshly washed hair weekly without any leave in can’t be good for some tight curls. Not everyone has titanium or unicorn type of hair so there is that. I’d like to push back on “stylists don’t want to destroy people hair “ comment. We’ve witnessed several videos telling us otherwise. Some of them are definitely on a mission to keep your hair as short as possible. Sorry but at the price they charge the technique and method should be solid and impeccable. Trials and errors that big are for the KZfaq university not the professionals.

Jennnnn! I absolutely loved this video! It was jam packed with so much information and answers to the questions we’ve had for months!! Thank you for sharing and I would totally love to see this stylist on your channel soon! ❤❤❤

This was great!! Do a live with her please!

I'd like the community to apologize to Afrikan Hair God, lol. He has stated many of these key data points for years now. Yes, he can be short-tempered, but he has presented the science at its core, and accurately.

As a Natural Hair stylist and enthusiast, I have basically done everything- no silicone, silicone and what I learned about my hair is a couple things: I only like Coconut oil as a Pre poo If I use grease, I only use Grease as a last step over a NATURAL leave in/moisturizer PRODUCT I prefer silicone when I blow dry to act as a Barrier I shampoo twice with 1st a more cleansing shampoo, and secondly a more moisturizing shampoo My hair is Fine textured and I don't need thicker butters Hair Porosity matters (it can tell you how your have receives moisture etc. My hair likes Aloe, custards, light jellys, Grapeseed oil I have learned not to smother my hair by tying it down too long or tying it down when its wet (I used to do tHAT) I put oils on my ends

Yes, invite her! While she did give a good explanation of what the issues were, I felt it was also a carefully crafted sales pitch 😉 Everyone is wondering if the products we've been using are on her list; maybe she'll let something slip...

I applaud her on her professionalism and not bashing the other stylists. I totally agree with her and it was similar to what i commented a few videos ago. I think someone just ran with the no oils and butters from the 30 days detox as a "new method" because they got good results after a month. I think it's more about knowledge of your hair and understanding what it needs and wants than sticking to one "law"

Definitely interested in you inviting Amena to your channel. I really appreciate you really digging in to find out what is happening to our hair! You’re right in saying that after we completed the 30 day detox, we continued with the same methodology. There was never a step 2 explained to us. I think we got caught up in seeing curls in our head for the first time and wanting to keep repeating the process! At any rate, please invite Amena back to provide her perspective on this matter. Thanks Jenn!

Good info even if I’m not onboard with everything she says. I’m strictly wash and go for spring/summer with no leave in and I’m good. I also don’t see the need of using butter or oils with a wash and go. In the winter, I wear twists or braids and use a leave in with a cream. IF I do wear a wash and go in the winter, I’ll use a light leave in under my gel. I also don’t think Olaplex is bad either. IMO some issues people are having is user error or their hair doesn’t need it. But she made some good points.

Would love to see a live dialogue between the two of you. The knowledge she shared is consistent with what my curly stylist of two years has shared with me even when I tried to introduce her to the BCG methods. Those methods never resonated with her training and knowledge. Glad she kept me using leave-ins and deep conditioners and steaming when needed.

Ohhh you hit the nail on the head with the detox supposing to be 30 days but the stylist is not updating the regimen or telling the client to. I did the curly cuts but I’m back to getting precision cuts bc I like them and I had lots of tangling with curly cuts. I hope everyone finds what works best for their hair no matter the method

After listening to BGC for a while, I have drawn the conclusion that their method is really about how to get the most longevity and definition for wash n’ go styling and twist outs. If you listen the the stylist following that method exactly , they don’t want to use leave in conditioners because the style won’t get the most hold. When Aleise stated the no oils and butters were only for 30 day detox then you can use if want, that’s not what her former partner is saying. She is posting reels making fun of us for thinking we need to use them, along with some other stylist under them. Their method is not really catered to the overall health of hair, more so, curly styling. As for curly cuts, I think it depends on cutting skills of the individual stylists. They are really for shape, but a stylist with great cutting knowledge and skills will know how to cut what really needs to go. I never followed fhe BGC method in the 4 years I’ve been getting curly cuts. It didn’t make sense to me for my natural hair that I solely took care of for nearly 20 years before going to the stylists for cuts/trims. My hair was healthy doing what I did. My hair assessment on my first visit was that my hair was hydrated. I just use styling products they use because they really are good at suggesting those and how and when to use them. For some, their methods work out, but they definitely are not a one size fits all.

Great video and super informative. Thank you for sharing. I do want to clarify one thing. I did the 30 day hair detox in 2021 and they said no oils or butters in the first 5 ingredients. I’m not sure if they’ve changed it since then but it was super helpful in getting to know my hair as it grows out of my scalp. Overall, I’m glad more light is being shed on curly cuts and the health of them without tearing down of others.

Jen, I really recommend checking out Curly Chemistry and collaborating with her. She’s really good and puts the information at an accessible level of the average person. It’s a great introduction to hair product ingredients. AND, thanks so much for being the kind of influencer who is fair and balanced and open. That’s why this professional sent her response to you and her explanation is bang on and appreciated. Thanks for this post.

I love Amena. Thank you for this knowledge Jenn. It would be great if you can have her in person.

Thanks for this video and all the research you’ve done on this method! I knew I didn’t trust a complete elimination of oils from the very beginning of this trend. The people who are known for the very healthiest hair in the world (Indians) use oils! Additionally, when our African ancestors were stolen from their land, they were stripped of all those butters and oils that kept their hair thriving. This continued well into the 1900s, when the “hairdress” finally became mainstream. The key to the hairdress wasn’t that it made hair grow - it allowed the hair you did grow to stay on your head! So, yes… I do think the more frequent washing is important, but we can’t just walk out the door after that with a mousse.

Hey Jenn Hey! Thanks soo much for seeing the value in the information and sharing the vid with your community. I've skimmed the comments and overall the ladies are saying the info has brought them more clarity which was the goal. Your reactions had me cracking up. Love your humor!!! Now that one woman that looks like you - coily 4B auburn brown afro - is my cousin and guess what our paternal Grandmother is a Jackson! Appreciate you & more to come 🏵

I never believed in the no oils/butters thing, but I was willing to try it for 60 days. I tried it and I had so much breakage that I had to do another big chop. I went back to my old method and started clarifying my hair weekly, my hair has been growing like a weed! I only added steaming my deep conditioner instead of using heat. I kept my other methods the same and it's been working great for me. I think we all should get with a good cosmetologist and get an analysis of what your hair needs and go from there. I was doing everything she recommended already except steaming. Once I did that, it kept me from having excessive splits, shedding and breaking. I just cut my hair last week because it was too much for me to handle.

This video was very informative. I’m glad that she took the challenge to explain considering a lot of stylists didn’t want to embark on this subject since they are the specialist.

African hair god been saying this! But I’m glad other hairstyles are starting to say this as well

Honestly I use the Yuka app for approval of products for my hair

Thanks so much for this update Jenn - would love if you could do an interview with her and have us post questions on a community tab! So glad we finally got an answer to what was going on and honestly it makes so much sense in hindsight. Been watching green beauty for years so glad to see she got her flowers for all the detailed research and evidence she brings. She's always my first stop for hair science knowledge. Honestly on my way to get the book and check my products, partially because I'm so curious which brands are on her list, partially because I want to guess which ones she had to remove due to bad ingredients (because that tea is sure to be PIPING hot). I wish she had provided a list of the brands she checked because some smaller ones (e.g. greenbeauty, Camillerose) aren't as famous so its hard to gauge if she would have known them to check or not, especially since they mostly advertise on youtube and other social media platforms. Also its me being v untrusting but I also want to see if she has any connection with any of the brands she suggests.

Ya'll, subscribe to Amena's youtube channel. Informative and thorough. Not a plug but I was already applying some of her suggestions in my hair care maintenance with much success. She makes it make sense! Thank you Jennifer for the introduction. Excellent content as always.❤

This is so true. I don’t like the way my hair feels when I use a clarifying shampoo. Dry, dry , dry!!! I can’t wait to feel the difference when I use the Olaplex 3 . (Jojoba oil and Aloe leaf is in it).😉 The 4a-4c DEFINITELY NEEDS OIL!!

Im not sure we need to specifically deep condition frequently unless protein is explicitly needed but definitely agree that we need that lubrication from oil consistently. Hell everyone's hair produces an oil like substance naturally with the goal of protecting the hair. That shows that oil is necessary! More so for a texture that is dry and has a lot of potential breaking points or kinks. You just shouldnt let it build up too much.

Great information!! Glad you went with 1.5 speed cuz I was not gonna make it with the slow talkin🤣🤣🤣 But yes, she is the truth💯

🖤thank God for KZfaq university🖤

Next up, Glam Fam TV. Please invite him to the channel.

Thank you, Jenn. She has given us a lot of food for thought. A question that I have: A stylist that I follow note that while diffusing is a form of indirect heat, over time, it can cause damage. If we apply our products on wet hair, at which point do we apply the heat protectant, which is typically applied to damp, not wet hair?

You clarify before starting the 30 day hair detox. It was about using raw oils and butters during the detox only. My stylist uses a leave in on my hair.

Love your eagerness to learn, passion, and open-mindedness. If you make videos about the Ebook I'll be here to watch. And if she comes on the channel that would be fun

Thank you Jenn for educating and entertaining us.

"Natural hair can never be low porosity" I'd love to see you react or at least give your opinion on that . There's at least two KZfaqrs (One is "Natural Nadine" and the other is "The Pharmacist ") who've spoken on it and they have scientific research to back their claim which i found interesting. Hope you check them out.

Great convo. Can't wait to hear others you decide to invite😊

Thank you, Jenn. Great video. Fantastic information shared by the stylist with love and respect for her listeners. I appreciate the way you presented it to us.❤

Thanks Jenn for sharing this knowledgeable video!

Me: 30 minutes? I’m going to put this on 1.25 speed. Jenn: 30 minutes? I’m going to put this on 1.5 speed. Me: 👁️👄👁️

Thanks for the upload. Totally agree, we need to advance independent study. Ingredients matter. Must read past the marketing to what is actually in the products and not just within the first 3-5 ingredients listed. Natural is not always natural, clean or beneficial. 👩🏾‍💻

I can read the ingredient labels fairly well after being nearly 15 years natural. That's why I was horrified when Shelly said that she was using a clarifying shampoo every week and sometimes twice a week. My hair loves Behentrimonimum Methosulfate, aloe vera juice, keratin and shea butter. Glycerin is hit or miss. Sulfates: hit or miss. Silicone hit or miss. Oh and people need to read the instructions on the brand website or on the label of the product because people purchase products off of one word on the front like "rosemary" and automatically assume that the product will be amazing. Nope. No thank you and not me. Yes, I believe that you should do an ingredients breakdown of the recommended black girls curls products. I'm not against all ingredients but you have to know how each ingredient could potentially react with your hair, skin and internal sensitivities. I'll give an example: Innersense Hydrating Cream hair bath: First 10 ingredients: Water Aqua -EAU, Cocamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine, Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate, Glycerin, Caprylyl/Capryl Glucoside, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Glyceryl Stearate SE, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate, Trisodium Ethylenediamine Disuccinate. Looks ok no sulfates, no silicones, no oils no butters. Has Glycerin which we know is a humectant. But where is the detangling agent if you like to detangle in the shower or have very tangled hair as a lot of people with type 3 and 4 have. Also Sodium chloride aka salt is a known dehydrator. That's why we use salt to preserve things by removing moisture. So sodium chloride can affect the color of your hair and dehydrate the strands but it is in a so-called hydrating shampoo in the first 10 ingredients..... Read those labels people.

This was dope, love a good break down 👏🏾 I would love to hear yall chat it up live too 🤗

Great video Jen! She is super informative!!

Hold my baby !!! lol!! I love your adlibs !!

I still get curly cuts and use a deep conditioner if my hair needs it as well as a leave in.

Looove this!!! Yes! Invite her!

Thank you Jenn!!! Love this, it was much needed information! I really appreciate your channel 😊

Great video Jen ❤

Good talk. Thanks for sharing this info❤

Good info. Thank you for sharing. Your haircut you got at the 3 part salon video was super cute.

Flex seed gell is best mixed with oil, it makes a huge difference. I suggest mixed oil and herbs together and mix it with your conditioner as well.

Fair points and we appreciate the shared knowledge ❤

Thanks for this Jenn J, very enlightening

Very informative, thanks Jenn!

People always talking bad about Cantu, I've been using it for years and my hair is the longest, thickest, and healthiest it has ever been. I do use other oils on my hair, and I only like the Shea Butter kind, tried the others and my hair wasn't happy. I try other products from time to time to make sure there aren't anything better, but I never else has ever worked as well for me. Plus, I can afford it. Just saying, I use what works for me.

I used to get Deva cuts at Madu Salon in SF a long time ago and never had any issues with split ends or any other type of hair damage. The price was more of an issue. I think it cost $200+, back in the 2010s.

Great video Jenn J 🥰💙.. thank you 👏🏾

Nice video ladies. It may seen off topic but just read me out. I was using the oils or butters my whole life with once a week wash n con. Recently, My hair fall had increased so much I cried. Eventually, I put 2n2 together. Researched hard water issues in US. Got my confirmation. I suffered from hard water hair and scalp. I live in a dry climate. That plays a roll as well with product. I thought I was vitamin deficient too. I wasnt according to my MD. I changed my shower head to filtered. Drink more water w/ a shot of lime juice every now n then for the natural minerals. Switched to avocado oil a few drops only on hand then hair shaft not scalp as needed. My hair and scalp has changed dramatically to soft non itchy .Way less hair fall. I let my scalp do its natural function. Im a black lady with 3b-c as they say. It works for me. Just trying to help us think in a different lane. Thanks for reading. Bye now

Yes Thank you to her and you🙏🏻

Hi Jenn, I think the stylist is basically sharing knowledge that was shared by “KZfaq University” for years. Also Curly Chemistry has been sharing knowledge on ingredients for years, when people jumped on the 30 day detox wagon, I paid closer attention to her videos and they shed so much light on ingredients. Maybe you have come across her videos

Good information. Thanks 😊

My biggest problem with stylist is not being gent enough,tough combing and blow drying thus massive hair breakage.

Can someone enlighten me on what is the alleged problem with Cantu

Everyone is an expert. Everyone is selling a product; everyone has an eBook. Who do we listen to? Who do we follow? #informationoverload #overit!

Great informative video.

I went to a white beautician in the 90 when she cut my hair it seemed to hold the cut longer but she said black hair needs to be cut dried

You're right. I rarely need to clarify my hair. I don't use raw oils/butters or silicones. I wash my hair every 3 - 5 days. Mostly I only include an all purpose shampoo every other wash since I cleanse so often, I really don't need it. I use hydrating shampoo only every other wash. If I only go 3 days I might use a co- wash since my hair isn't really "dirty" but I like to refresh it and my hair feels amazing when it's saturated in water often. I use a leave in with my wash and go now. I didn't use to and I didn't get damage from not using it, but my style looks more defined when I use my leave in and the stylers apply more smoothly. I also do deep condition. I use a protein conditioner about once a month and a hydrating hair mask at least once a month. I only do wash n go's so my hair isn't exposed to much that would damage it. I can say that wash n go's and no oils/ butters in itself does not damage the hair... If I had damage I would ask myself what else am I doing with my hair - if you're wearing "protective" styles or your hair isn't being saturated in water/cleansed at least weekly, then you might need to treat the effects of that to prevent damage. If you do heat styling, stretching, twist outs, braid outs, you probably need to treat your hair to avoid damage. If your hair is chemically processed or you aren't using quality products in your hair, same thing.... last summer my hair was exposed to quite a bit of chlorine, sun, and extra washing/ manipulation so I had to give it some extra TLC. My daughter goes longer in between washes and wears 2 strand twists often- I use oils/ butters on her hair occasionally to protect it because it's more vulnerable... she also needs clarifying more often than I do... bottom line - listen to your hair. Your hair only needs what it needs. You don't need oils and butters if you're a wash n go girly and keep up with your hair care/ maintenance. That being said - oils and butters will not ruin your hair either if you're keeping up with your care and maintenance.

Thanks Jenn

Would uncle funky’s curly magic be a styler that she describes that could replace leave in conditioner?

Invite her on!

Scalp issues are my biggest problem right now 😢😢😢

Very informative, thank you

So I think it’s something with the innersense. I have been using kinky curly for over a decade and didn’t have a problem until I used it with Starts with a D ends with a Curl and my hair fell out. That’s a different story. But when I used the innersense as per my stylist recommendation, my hair is soooo dry! And I use deep conditioning. I do know uncle funky’s have the same ingredients as kinky curly and I have used uncle funky before. I didn’t get that dryness as innersense.

Great Video!

Can barely hear her it's to sped up

The creators of bgc/cut it kinky say one thing, but in real practice use gels only with no leave ins for wash and gos on everyone even recently. Those gels are tearing clients hair up in my opinion

To be honest... I feel like she was trying to sale me something lolololol.

The whole analogy of putting on lotion after a shower/bath makes no sense to me. Most people (of all cultures) use lotion but many don't all use oil and butters.

Maybe I'm old and don't know but I have a serious question?? What cosmology school specializes in black hair? My Mom,daughter and niece went to school for hair at different times but they all learned how to take care of other people's hair...all of a sudden there are specialists on "our" hair...lol and a chart🤣🤣

If u straighten your hair after a deva cut, it'll be a chopped up, uneven mess and take forever to become even again.

I see a dr derm for my seb dermititis and i hav thinning hair on my scalp they say i hav traction alopecia i do use ketoconazole shampoo and clorabata meds this one dont help ket is okay tho

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I saw that girl who looked like you.

What’s the book?