Ford know the chemistry of belts and oils. This is built in obsolescence.

Honestly they should be forced to recall all these wet belt engines. You're not convincing me that not a single engineer at Ford knew this was a bad idea

I work for the Yellow recovery/breakdown company. Our vans are dropping like flies. Mine went at 116k

Contractor here my colleague had the same belt failure at 80 000 miles destroyed the engine now it’s a £8000 bill to replace the engine Ford isn’t interested??? This is scandalous to say the least 💩👎🏻

Belts shouldn't be contaminated in oil, design and engineering them to be contaminated in oil shows a level of stupidity in the engine design department that should result in sackings for incompetence.

Wetbelt crap don’t buy Ford anymore

I'm not sure why folk are NOT talking about the root of the problem. I have a mate who worked in a Ford dealership until recently. He was absolutely fed-up to the back teeth of replacing Transit motors with (for example, snapped cranks) week in, week out, 2 or maybe 3 a week and that dealership had loads still in the yard waiting for engine rebuilds/replacement motors. Dealerships are 'allegedly' paid up to £6k per exchange engine by Ford, however it's only a bare motor, so all auxiliaries have to be stripped off the failed motor, to be re-used (a very important point) ie Turbo/ Intercooler/ hoses/Radiator etc, without being flushed out, or purged, regardless of possible debris residue in any of these parts, further risking the life span of the replacement motor too. This was pointed out to the workshop manager, but he said, 'Button it up and get it out the door', so definitely a management decision, not the fitter who did not want to cut corners, but pressure from above was to get the vans turned around and back out the door asap. The problem is not the wet belt per se, it is the length Ford have gone to, to meet ULEZ emissions levels, and all the Re-gens the motor has to go through in order to meet these ULEZ levels, and then all the failed re-gens if say for example, the motor was switched off during a Re-gen cycle, loads of vans live as a daily round the doors delivery vans with poss around 100 drops a day, what chance a completed re-gen now then? This in turn keeps pumping excess diesel into the engine to raise exhaust temps to burn hot and clear out the DPF etc (but also past the rings and into the sump) which then causes the rubber timing belt to decompose and finally fail, as the belt is fine in oil, BUT NOT FUEL. Now for some 'alleged' figures, the lowest mileage Transit that dealership had to replace a motor had only covered 6000 miles!!! Worse yet to come, a replacement motor in a Transit was given back to their customer which didn't even survive 48hrs!!! One can only speculate that the cause may well have been due to particles/residue from the previous trauma, in the intercooler, or turbo, and here we go again. On a closing note, think back, how long did it take Ford to admit the ECOBOOST 3-cyl motor was fatally flawed, and had marginal cooling and could not endure being thrashed, so an inspired choice to fit it in the Fiesta ST! That engine was nick-named by Ford mechanics as the ECOBOOM on account of the many, many failures Well-done Ford, a clear leader in the field of dreams, or should that read nightmares?.

This is a MAJOR safety issue. My son has a 2019 Fiesta 1.0l EcoBoost 63k miles fully serviced. Exactly the same issue, loss of power, no warning lights until the catastrophic failure. Ford taking no responsibility. I have hit them with the consumer rights act ‘reasonable time’ 6yrs and their own admission of 150k miles/10yrs longevity. Reported to DVSA as a safety concern and they are now investigating. In the meantime Ford suggested a scrap value of £250 for a car that should be around £8k! We are currently stuck and don’t know what to do. We are insuring my son on my husband’s car so he can get to work but that leaves us without a car. More than happy to do a video with you. Devastated for this lovely lady too 😢

As a former mechanic, I know three things are true about auto manufacturing: 1. Building a non-interference motor means that a failed timing belt doesn't destroy your valvetrain and piston heads. (Much cheaper and easier to repair.) 2. The use of a timing CHAIN versus a timing BELT massively increases the lifespan of the timing components, and timing CHAINS rarely fail. 3. Operating the vehicle's water pump by timing belt causes an additional failure point in the timing system, as pump seals can leak coolant onto the belt. A seized water pump can snap your timing belt, destroying your entire engine (as a friend one learned in her Dodge Stratus, with an interference motor). Any of these engineers would know that rubber components do not play well with petroleum-based chemicals. If they don't know that, then they're obviously not qualified for the position. A "wet belt" setup makes sense for a timing chain, to keep the links lubricated and rust-free for 200k (or more!) miles. To expose the engine's oil to rubber, knowing that rubber belts typically shed microscopic bits of rubber during use, is absolute stupidity - or a definitive CHOICE made to make the engines fail prematurely. The TL;DR of above? Building an interference motor with "wet" timing belt is a design resulting from any or all of the following: production cost-cutting, ignorance, laziness, or a deliberate attempt to generate future income via the service bays (for repairs) and sales (for replacement vehicles). A rubber belt is cheaper to manufacture, and because it has a lower lifespan, requires periodic replacement. A timing belt service is NOT a cheap procedure, and depending on the vehicle, can be quite a tedious job. I've done them myself, AND paid shops to do them, on many vehicles over the years. "Belt vs. chain" and "interference vs. non-interference motor" are actually two major points of consideration for me in any car purchase...

More reasons to run old vehicles.

I said this would happen when Ford announced it and it was rubbished by a lot of people saying Ford knew what they were doing,well tell that to all the owners who have had one failure after another. I’ve worked in the motor industry for 60 years and over that time Ford have always purchased the cheapest components for their vehicles for as long as I can remember. Ford must have lost the plot thinking they could use a rubber neoprene compound belt and run it in hot oil and not have problems. Ford couldn’t give a shit about the customer but people are getting aware of these problems and buying elsewhere. Transits we’re the backbone of the van world but not anymore,a Sprinter will do 300,000 miles without any major repairs and so will most other makes if serviced correctly,I know one company who has done over 230,000 miles in a Citroen Bippa diesel 1-4. Secondhand Transits with these engines are worth salt as people wake up to the catastrophic costs of running these engines.

I'm from Canada. Learned many years ago that buying Ford is a risky proposition. Ford is under investigation by the U.S. government for engine failures. AP News has an article dated October 4th, 2023 about this. Ford also had the most recalls for 2022,2023. They are usually number one or two for recalls dating back many years. Wish people would wise up to Ford. Do a little research instead of just assuming their products are good, or buying them because of some kind of tradition.

Welt belts, AVOID, AVOID, AVOID! Crazy idea😜

Disgusting treatment of a loyal customer!!!

Garage Service manager 45 years here, luckily for me not a Ford dealership. But locally there is a Ford dealership who I know well. So imagine you are the small local Ford dealer, you have built up a sound business over decades. Your customers are friends because that's what customers become. Now loads of your customers bought Fiesta's, Transits etc, from you in good faith, they are now failing at an alarming rate, they have done nothing wrong, how long can their business last? I guess we will find out in the next couple of years!

In the USA they have issued a recall to fix the problem.

In USA ford are fixing them. If it happened to me I'd have ford in court.

Get Suzuki to teach Ford how to make exceptionally reliable engines.

I work for a telecom company. At our location we had 4 17 plate transit custom vans. All 4 had belts fail before 70000 miles. The last one just last week. Vans don't do really high mileage and are serviced on time. It's a potentially really dangerous situation when the van just stops working without any previous warning.

Drive a 2019 transit custom 112,000 miles no issues. Belt was replaced at ford a few weeks ago for nearly £2000. Mechanics recommended taking of the sump to clean the oil pickup strainer as this eventually blocks due to deteriorating belt and can also cause engine failure.

What you have to realize is that Ford are on their knees financially due to the amount of losses they are taking on every one of their EV's! They have made a conscious effort to down scale their model range and number of factories as well as their staff! This push for Net Zero and the reduction of CO2 & other gases from vehicle emissions, has hit the motor industry hard as not one of them are able to make a profit out of EV's. As a mechanical engineer this wet belt engine has to be the stupidest I have seen in over 50 years! Who at Ford gave it the go ahead,, or was it changed from a chain drive to a belt on cost grounds?

The whole problem with Ford vans started when they shut the Southampton factory and moved production to Turkey to just save a little bunce.

Hi Geoff a colleague at work brought one of these vans to make into a campervan (80,000) miles the water pump seized and auxiliary belt snapped!! As I used to be a mechanic I said I'd help her fix it, I replaced the belt and pump and told her it's best to change the cambelt so I did and all was great at the fraction of the cost of a garage.!! 2 weeks later it broke down again and was towed to local garage who said wet belt has failed and needs new engine.!! (6,000) I told her to bring it back to her house and I striped it down !! I'm completely miffed why ford decided to also put another canvas belt running in oil!! In my days all cars were chain!! You can buy a chain kit for £200 why not fit this from factory?? .. it also had 7 bent valves and piston damage so I've changed all valves and modded the pistons!! ( I used to mod engines years ago. Vehicle is now up and running total spent £800 so colleague really pleased van back on road !! In my mechanical experience of 50 yrs these belts if fitted should be changed the same time as the dry belt found on the outside, canvas belts running in oil is not recommended in my experience....

Geoff I spent 35 years as a motor engineer the first 13 of which in the FORD MAIN DEALER network including my 4 year apprenticeship. I have seen countless engines destroyed by poor maintenance the most common of which is through extended service intervals. 18,000 mile oil change intervals is totally insane!! No wonder these engines are failing so early. The engine oil at those sort of mileages is stuffed full to the gunnels with carbon deposits which clogs up the oil ways (black sludge) plus it attacks the timing belts. HERE IS MY BEST TIP: Whatever service intervals the manufacturer states. . .HALVE IT and preferably do it EVERY 6000 MILES! My two transit 1.0Lt petrol eco boost engines are supposed to be serviced every 14,000 miles. I do them every 6000 miles. Religiously. As for wet timing belts. . . must have been designed by the same person who invented the chocolate fireguard!! Lets get this message out there. Great channel!

Just changed a Ford wet belt to chain at 97400 miles, because on an off chance inspection as I was around that area, the wet belt was shredding, (but only one spot inside between two teeth & not visible unless you spun the belt) it wouldn’t have lasted another 600 miles. Expensive ? Not really, the chain conversion was about £100 more than the wet belt replacement kit & I did it myself!

I recently worked for Ford and could not believe completely blown away at this fact and GM is doing it too disgusting Behavior I am independent now

Bring back the 2.5 DI "Banana" engine, end of problem! 👍

This guy's got the same idea I have. About doing a channel with a philantropic outlook interviewing people who the system has failed with no other option with the outlook of getting them the exposure that hopefully gets them the help they need. I'm in Australia though, but I grew up listening to a guy called Howard Satler on the radio who did a similiar thing for people such as people who lived in public housing who couldn't get their toilets fixed for example and were getting nowhere through the normal channels. He was kinda a shock jock, and well , you can look up the reason he was cancelled if you want, but he reallly did help ALOT of people which I would LOVE to do. Good on you Geoff!

They have been told not to work on old cars because gov doesn’t want you to have cars

Ford goes the same way Crysler did. To the scrapyard.

I used to have a 2.2 transit custom 2015 which did 37 mpg. Then changed for a 2.0 ecoblue 2019 model and mpg is exactly the same. Those 2.2 engines last forever and 2.0 is complete junk. No end of issues with it since I’ve had it. All in the name of progress.

I’ve seen a good few ford custom vans broken down and being towed, makes sense now, thanks for video👍

Ford Eco-Bang

Mid-90s to Mid-00s was the golden age for motoring - we need to go back to that technology

As a decent mechanic, I can only say that if you buy a Ford, it's on you. You asked for it. Don't be stupid. Buy Toyota.

Great work Jeff! The only way these massive companies will listen is through mass negative publicity, you were spot on with all your points, they’ve built an inferior product which is not fit for purpose bit like the early Eccoboost engines. Keep up the good work my friend, you are a quality content creators. Thumbs up from me 👍

Geoff I’ve been covering this issue with Ford wet belt engines for over 12 months, it’s not only Ford who are having the problem, it’s VW , Peugeot,Citroen,fiat, Vauxhall, Honda

Hi Geoff, my friend’s 2018 low mileage Ford Custom Tourneo had a wet belt snap last year. The mileage it snapped at was 43,589 miles. They have had it since new. It’s always been serviced by Ford. They were on their way home from Bristol Airport after being on holiday. The van just stopped on the M5 motorway with no indication. The AA man said it was extremely common, as he has dealt with 5 Ford Transit vans in the last 6 months with the same issue . Ford charged nearly 7k for a new engine with vat. It took 15 weeks for a new engine to be fitted, as they couldn’t source some of the parts. A wiring loom was damaged when the old engine was removed. Not good for Ford. keep up the good work with channel 😀.

I was an AA Patrolman for 32 years from 1973 to 2005 and was able to replace quite a number of timing belts on non interference engines at the roadside. I'm really glad that I'm in a totally different industry now, (Beer Brewing) as I have no enthusiasm whatsoever for vehicles and their technicalities these days but having a belt that runs in oil is a recipe for disaster, if in fact it's made from traditional materials and not some new plastic like stuff. Then of course there's dual mass flywheels, another bone of contention.

Common problem in the USA also. Some oils make the belt degrade faster than others. It's almost like belt needs changed every 50k miles and pickup tube cleaned out also.

Mine went and ford said because the viscocity of the oil was not stated on one service they refused to do anything, no more Ford for me

A friend owns a mechanic's shop, and he's had quite a few in for wet belt breaks, all under mileage failures, and ford aint interested. Wouldn't touch a wet belt ford van.

My colleague has had 3 engines in his full size Transit now, costing 7k each time. Madness

We had 5 Ford Torneo's that were 2018 with the 2.2 diesel engines have oil pump failures before 100k These were airport transport vehicles. We started changing the oil pumps as a service item. Engine replacements were recon Ford that had also probably had oil pump failures and would fail shortly after fitting. One did 200 miles and the cam chain snapped. These were Ford warranty replacement engines. We scrapped the fleet within 3 years at a massive loss.

A friend of mine has a small plumbing business. They need four vans but but he has five because there's invariably one off the road for some reason. He's tried most makes, but reckons none of them are wonderful. He's been in business since the early nineties and says the best vans were designed in the 1990's.

Don't understand why they don't just make a chain conversion kit like they did for the old 1.8 tdci with the wet belts, which had the same problem. Stupid idea, I'll never buy a vehicle with a wet belt, basically worst of both worlds!

We have 3 at our brewery and all 3 have failed!

I went online to see what wet belts are. It looks like Ford uses cog belts for the overhead cams and the oil pump. I own a 1999 Toyota Tacoma 265k miles and a 2004 Honda 226k miles both of which use timing belts. I change them every 6 years or 60k miles. With steel gears and a rubber/material belt one of the two are going to wear. Seems to me after the first unit failed and I understood why my proactive nature would have had me changing the belts. Certainly after the second one failed. Geoff another great video!

My daughter bought a 2020 corsa, engine failure caused by wet belt. Quoted £2500 to fix by vauxhall. She's 19 years old worked part time and saved for three years plus child trust fund to purchase. Now needs to find £2500 just to get back on the road. She's heartbroken.

My dad has a car shop and I told him not to service cars with wet belts when they came out. A while later he thanked me, because other mechanics he knows got in trouble for those things blowing up and Ford blaming the garages, stating the oil wasn't the right spec. For the Ford engines with wet belts, the oil needs to have the "WSS M2C948-B" specification, afaik only available on 5W-20... which at least in some applications isn't what would normally be used. Even if you use the correct oil with a "ford garbage exclusive" can that's not used for any other oils ever, they can still avoid blame because guess what, by the time the belt snaps or slips the oil won't be exactly to factory spec anymore. Especially if you drive short distances, you fuel can/will make it's way into the oil, which in small amounts wouldn't be tragic unless some idiot decided to run a rubber belt trough said oil. Personally, I've never been a fan of any kind of long life motoroil ideas. VW started that during the late 90s early 2000s as optional... and it sucked. Not only were the oils in "questionable" states when changed (or dead), the oil also was so expensive that it was cheaper to do multiple changes on shorter intervalls.

Great interview. I feel for the lady and others with this issue.

Hi Geoff, my Ford dealer is generally OK, It's the Ford Motor Co's Customer Relations department that let's things down.

Built-in obsolescence. You can't buy a reliable car/van any more. The manufacturers have cottoned on to the software sellers - make sure you have the customer on a (financial) leash.

Ford are destroying themselves must have some backers 💵💲💰💰💲💸 I really feel for this lady . Ford used to be the bastion of motoring cheap to use cheap to fix fun to drive.

A popular car mechanic YT-channel in Germany had a few cases with this issue and it even happened to people with proper service intervals and using the right oil. They suspected that in a cold engine some fuel gets mixed with the oil and that this changes the chemistry of the oil and destroys the rubber belts.

Hi Geoff, I have a 2019 Fiesta with the same wetbelt setup. The engine failed at 72000 miles with a full ford service history. Initial symptoms were reporting low oil pressure on the dash. I contacted ford and they weren't interested although they were quick to price a new engine at £7500 After some around the houses phone calls and still getting no where, I picked up a new crated engine and turbo from a popular place in Yorkshire who shipped the engine and turbo next day and a lot cheaper than ford were quoting. The car is currently in with my local indy mechanic being fitted. I'm going to pull the sump off the old engine when it's done and I bet you a bacon bap the oil pickup will be jammed full of old belt. I'll video it when I pull it apart, if you want the vid, let me know. I have also seen quite a few ecoboost fords coming up for sale near me recently, every one of them is a massive bill waiting to happen. People don't know the issues with these engines and continue to buy them. Seems to me now that any ford with this setup should be avoided at all costs.

I have a Transit and I don't have a problem, but then it's a 31 year old smiley 😂 round the clock 3 times, it's brilliant, and no ECU.😂😂 NO Tec.

Wow thank you I'm in the market for my next new van. Literally made my mind up for mwb transit for kitchen fitting, not now ,having said that I bought brand new rental master mwb 4 weeks the side door dropped they wasn't interested then 6 month starter motor went wasn't interested!

I was just waiting for someone to post it. This engine is a disaster!! Wet belt just doesn't work and I don't know what was in the Ford engineers head when they brought this engine out!!!

Not a wet belt comment, but went to a Ford garage as I have done for many years, service plan. This time customer service desk poor service, vehicle serviced, video inspection by text, told vehicle gone for wash, when I saw it, looked like it had been washed in dish water. Checked service book, not completed, went back in, can you please complete it, oh it’s electronic now, NO, I want the service book completed. Get the usual Ford survey, so I gave a poor review, within hours had general manager of the garage on the phone, explained, offered a free MOT when I come in next if I would re complete survey, why so Ford and management think everything is hunky dory. Next time I’m going to another a Ford garage.

Work van was recalled and they checked the belt and said it was ok. The van had engine failure about a month later ford did cover the repair costs as they had checked the van and had said it was ok.

I have a 2022 transit with eco blue engine I plan to change the timing belt at 60,000 miles or five years which ever is earlier and change oil every year which I would have done anyway. My local garage will do it for around £1000 That averages out at £200 a year If I went by the previous schedule and I had it done at 10 years that would be £100 a year average. I’m paying an extra hundred pounds a year for the earlier replacement. I’m self-employed so will put that against tax so it’s actually costing me an extra £60 a year. The wet belt system definitely produces a more economical drive, saving me more than £60 a year in fuel so despite all the doom and gloom, Im happy to change the belt at 5 years and enjoy the van. Fore warned is fore armed. Stop worrying!

This video is so timely. The son of a lady at work has just bought a 1 litre eco boost Focus with the wet belt engine. I've told her the horror stories and the fact that watchdog are on the case. Plus there's a recall in the US but not the UK.

Working in the motor trade 30 years ago they told us do not get no oil on that rubber belt or it will contaminate the belt and it will snap now they completely submerged in oil what a stupid ucking idea 😅😅😅😮😮😢😢😢😢😢 god help us 😊😅😮

Ford's argument on this one is that a very specific type of oil needs to be used. Using the same grade is not adequate as their oil also contains additives to protect the belt. I would argue that Ford dont make this clear enough. They could easily put a warning on the oil cap or somewhere highly visible like page 1 of the handbook. They don't.

Great new format

Ford recalled the vehicles affected in the USA because there were so few in service . Here in the UK there are hundreds of thousands of them. and the cost of labour alone is terrifying to them.

It’s a common problem, the oil rots the belt and the bits block the oil filter resulting in engine failure. You normally get the oil light come on, before the engine fails.

I have an average miles 2007 mk7 Transit. Drive it every day and it never misses a beat!

having worked at ford, the recall, when I was there at least, was to look through the oil filler hole and try to distinguish if the belt was delaminating. That was it!

The oil is the key here. Not just change frequency. Also particular engine blow by state. Blow by contaminates the oil and it can only take a certain load. Higher the oil temp with the fuel load the faster the belt will deteriorate. Oil issues on Euro 4 and onward in all engines has caused many a premature death. If I had the misfortune to own one of these I would modify it in his way. Increase volume of the PCV flow out of the engine into a catch can of a specialist diesel type. This will catch the volatile contamination and seperate it from the sump keeping the oil cleaner. It should also prevent the rocker cover from becoming a hot box for creating solids. A common thing with a few petrol engines. Increase the sump volume if possible to give more oil to catch and hold contaminants. Finally the oil temp is probably also destroying the belts so a thermostatically controlled oil cooler to keep its temp down. I would also put in a lower temp thermostat to knock about 20 degrees of engine temp out of it. In a perfect world the solution would be to use a urethane belt as they dont deteriorate like the rubber ones flaking to bits but they cant stand any where near the heat of the rubber belts. It looks like you could easily convert the oil pump to a chain drive like toyota use and that alone would half the rubber contamination inside the engine. But at the end it still has been made to deliberately fail because even with all the precautions the filtration system has to deal with all this junk and what gets through runs through all the bearings. A real surprise to see this tech on a commercial vehicle.

My dog walker got a used transit. After a few months she told me the timing belt snapped, Ford had agreed to repair it under warranty. I'm a very novice DIY mechanic ie I can do oil, pads and filters and occasional other things like shocks. When I asked her if it was a chain or belt she said no its a rubber belt that goes through oil. Me with my, at best DIY skills, "that can't be right, rubber and oil will fail because oil dissolves rubber". Then I'd heard of it happening to lots of transits. I can't believe Ford engineers thought it would work when someone like me can see it wouldn't.

Just had to do a welt belt in my son's Fiesta, around £1000. Every mechanic I spoke to said replace every 50K miles, at £1K each time. Probably around 7 out of 10 garages I asked said they wouldn't touch them.

Thanks for this video... Stumbled across it Im looking at a new van A Ford Cutome Not anymore ...or ever

My mate recently bought a transit and that was 100 k miles on it and immaculate but they hadn’t done the wet belt but was regularly serviced and he s trying to get the wet belt changed and he can’t get anyone to do it as they don’t want to touch them so he went to the local Ford Garage to buy a belt to see if he could get another garage to do it and the Ford garage said there s a shortage of these belts and it’ll take a couple of weeks to get one . He s afraid to drive it now and it’s parked on his drive until it’s done , it’s running all ok but he s just afraid to take it out incase it snaps , !

5 years ago Had a 2008 Ford Motorhome Cam chain snapped. Cost around 5 thousand to repair. Only had 24 thousand miles.on clock Ford didn't want to know

I remember the T4 Transporter TDIs had a cambelt issue. That was found to be a water pump pulley issue and also a pre tensioner issue. VW repaired all the lost engines to snapping cam belts.

Whilst sitting in the Ford main dealer service reception customer waiting area, after our transit wipers had packed up and the van being around 14 months old from new, I picked up a leaflet about Ford warranty and was astonished to read that the WEAR & TEAR part of the warranty is only 1000 miles or 30 days from registration which was separate to the 3 years, 100,000 miles warranty the van comes with. Ford refused to carryout repairs as the wiper motor was worn out at 23,000 miles use according to them and that the van is only built for light duty use! No one explained this to me at the point of purchase that the vans were only for light duty use. We've now switched over to Mercedes-Benz Sprinters and their warranty from new does include wear and tear I was informed as long as its been serviced correctly. So for example, if the drivers seatbelt recoil is slow and tired, the van is 30 months old, 250,000 miles, its been serviced at the dealers, they will replace the seatbelt under warranty.

Helped my neighbour do his last summer (67plate), had been signed off as good by Ford but we decided to change it anyway, the 'good' belt was in a shocking state with not many miles left on it! Approx £600 to do on driveway, mileage was 107,000.

Employer had a Transit 2.5 litre turbo ,and it did 100,000 miles,almost no problems.After that ,the newer models , just couldn't compare.Useless dual mass flywheel,now these wet belts.Insane.

I believe all the wet belt design came about to meet the new European regulations going forward for low emissions. Part of that noise and part of it is trying to save fuel and extended Service period is all part of saving the planet and less oil changes but of course the engines were out prematurely because of this. Mechanic, I’m disgusted with the modern engines going backwards to meet new admissions standards instead of looking for liability long-term service

Peugeot and citroen petrols run a wet belt and these are failing as well , its time manafactures were bought to task for major defaults . range rover, jaguar engines failing , bmw timing chains etc etc. Good video to raise awareness Geoff

I had ford Toureno. Same problem wet belt it was a nightmare. I too was a ford loyal customer. But never again. It broke my heart

I’m glad I bought the custom 2.2 without the wet belt came along.

20.35 . I have a 2017 transit pick up with 36826 miles which is stuck in the yard and will not start because of an adblue issue. There have been issues where diesel leaks into the oil , when a failed regen occurs on the diesel particular filter. Ford did have a recall to update this. This oil contamination was also degrading the wet cam belt. I have heard that oil pressure was seriously reduced as a result of the oil pick up pipe being blocked from degraded parts of the wet belt. I have the oil and filter changed every 5000 miles and the sump is taken off to check the oil pick up .The other issue is , garages will only guarantee a new cambelt for one year or 12000 miles. That’s an additional £1000 Cost every year . Ford originally said 150000 miles then dropped to 100000 miles. Once they are changed ,it’s now 12000 miles or 12 months. FORD, YOU MUST DO BETTER!!!!!!!!!🤬🤬 😊

Needs a engineer to remake the dopey wet belt system for a standard chain. It can't be that difficult to re-engineer the damn things. I have a feeling there is a way to do it but of course Ford would be very upset if they heard about it. Remember these things are not cheap but are expected to be workhorses which is no longer the case.

The company I work for has 12 17 plate Transits. At 3 years old 2 failed within days. Local dealer claimed they had been driven through water -we visited site, air.filters were not wet. Red faces from dealer. Issue raised with Ford. Ford initially denied claim. We provided a report on the images gained by dropping oil and putting a camera into the sump. We advised Ford we believed this was belt material breaking up, even blocking oil pick up filters (which would scrap an engine). Ford asked for a meeting. They didn't show up. We said we are not buying any further Ford products. Ford asked for evidence of the correct oil being used -we provided double the quantities required as we do not like the interval they specified. Ford replaced 6 engines FOC. We then put an annual belt change in the schedule. 1 slipped through, did 18 months and snapped. Out of warranty, Ford replaced the engine. All our fleet are low annual mileage, but stop-start and I think it's this element which provides the inconsistent belt life. Interestingly, new Transits (and the cars too) have camchains.

Awhh Geoff, you're on a roll now with the new format. Great stuff.

All the manufacturer's are doing this now, Honda have a 3cyl petrol with a wet belt, PSA have a 1.2 3cyl with a wet belt, VW use a wet belt to drive the oil pump in their 2.0TDI. Ford themselves ditched the wet timing belt in the later 1ltr Ecoboosts and used a chain, but the damn idiots kept the wet belt on the oil pump, except they uprated the tensioner spring, which is now so strong it shreds the belt even faster!

They had this problem in the 1990s with the 1800 diesel. My belt snapped at 36k miles, even though in the Ford handbook it said change at 48k. Had nothing but problems getting mine sorted. It was only when I received a recall notice that they stood the cost. From that moment on I and my family gave up on Ford's!

It is not just Ford that have wet timing belts. Citroen/Vauxhaul (Stellantis) do exactly the same and they use the you have used the wrong oil excuss as well

I was going to buy a 21 reg 3008 with the 1.2 petrol. When I found it had a wet belt I asked about any problems and the dealer said there wasn't any problems. I decided not to bother as I am sure rubber and oil doesn't mix.

Hasn't Ford US admitted they have a known issue with the wet belt engine and are offering a recall??

Thank you for bringing information such as this to our attention. If Ford don't give a damn then I'm happy to reciprocate!

Had the same issue with Transit Connect vans . Ford serviced but never replaced the wet belt. When I asked why it wasn’t replaced at the correct interval they replied with “because you never asked for it to be done” as if I was supposed to know it even had a wet belt. They refused any help and blamed me for having it serviced elsewhere when they were too busy to do it.

The wrong oil is the biggest killer But they do need to have the belts changed at 60/70k But it costs over a grand a pop so...

Oil and rubber belts. What could possibly go wrong?

Very similar story , recommnded wet belt change at 100k. Recall after four years for a 'brake check'. Hidden in the advisory for the brake check was an amendment to the wet belt change to 60k. Belt started shredding at 31k, this blocked an oil filter which threw up faults, then cleared again soon after. Apparently no record of the blocked filter on ECU history !!.. Luckily it didnt kill the engine and it was about 2k to change it .. 16 plate car . It can be age or mileage that deteriorates the belt it seems

Problem started with Southampton closing.building vans cheaper and poorer in Turkey.dont buy transits anymore like a lot of businesses I know..still have my old mk7 transit euro 4 total reliable 245 000 miles

Bought a 1.6 petrol suzuki four years ago. Best car i've ever had, never missed a beat. Apparently it has a chain instead of a belt. The amount of new shape defenders that I see that already have only one of the front headlights working shows how poor some new builds are...