Admech: Flesh is the weakest unit.

Reivers when it's time to show up in a "weakest units" video: 💪💪💪💪 Reivers anytime else: 💀💀💀💀

Firstborn fans absolutely stoked that Tactical Squads are no longer considered the worst Space Marines units.

Laughing, I was trying to rack my brain over which Necron unit it would be. Of course it's the Obelisk, one of the meanest things GW has ever done. How nice would it be fellow Necron players to be able to actually field this instead of a Tesseract Vault and watch as it sits perfectly stable and not wobbling all over the place in a breeze.

I have been really interested in the One Page Rules Grimdark Future, and my favorite thing about that game is that the revier equivalent seems like dogshit there too which is a testament to the accuracy of the conversion.

Me holding on to my Obelisk: "...it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day, it'll be good one day..."

I hope that we see some much needed changes to the tankbustas. Like what the point in being a group of orks that are known for hunting down vehicles if they can’t do their jobs right.

Want to know how to make the Knight Abominant better? Give it's Volkite Combustor at least an ounce of AP. It's described as being able to mow through space marines and tanks alike, but everyone will just make the dang save anyways

For Necrons I was expecting the psychomancer to make the list. A shame too because it's an awesome looking model.

Kastelan Robots? Naw man. You take a brick of those with a Datasmith and throw them on an objective and you have a bright red tanky distraction for a few turns. Weakest has gotta be Stiltman, Hits but almost never wounds, or the attacks are always saved, and in the 20+ times I've hit with him, he's only ever battleshocked a unit once.

Ad mech... haha no. It's stiltsman. It's always stiltsman.

I think for guard the wyvern deserves a mention. It’s 110 points for a 2d6 twin linked mortar that gives a -1 to hit for infantry units it hits. Its damage is almost nothing and for 10 points more you could get 6 mortars and 6 more copy’s of the blast rule. It’s just a terrible unit.

Urien with a blob of 10 wracks with all the special guns is FUN

I resent this slander! That Reiver Lieutenant is incredibly useful! As a proxy for the Phobos Lieutenant.

Reivers exist as a testament to GW's inability to design a game. The market them everywhere, they're on the cover of so many novels, they're way over represented in art.... But they've never been anywhere close to a playable unit on the table. Ever since they've come out they've been laughably weak and basically pointless GW clearly wants them to be good, but they genuinely don't have a single person at their company that knows how to do it

Auspect Tactics must read minds because this video is exactly something I was wondering about recently.

I completly forgot we had reiver lieutenant

Lately I've been super fond of taking boxnaught with a MM/HF/Fist with a squad of MM devs in Firestorm. Advancing around the map and getting re-rolling 1s for the Devs via the dread. Lot of fun. Recommend.

If the Changecaster is bad, then daemons overall are in a really good spot. Last game I played daemons I took a squad of pink horrors attached to it. The Changecaster triggered its battleshock ability 3 times against necron warriors lead by overlords (Pretty much every turn it could shoot). Those 2 necron squads were wiped by the horrors, with necrons unable to use stratagems. Also dealt MW because of shadow in the warp. Then fought in melee against a squad of Skhorpek destroyers with a lord attached, for control of the mid board. They remained alive till turn 5, never lost the objective.

Right now the weakest part of each faction is the codex. 😒

For Space Wolves, the standout weak units to me are Long Fangs and Wolf Scouts, just straight up worse than their marine equivalents

CSM list misses the regular Sorcerer. He has zero business competing with any of the other character options, almost irrespective of points. He'd be somewhat interesting if he could join a unit in addition to the main character like the the Master of Executioners though.

Engenseer feel weirdly pricy at 60 when space marine techmarine cost 55 :D feels weird

oh how far the mighty kastelan robot has fallen for admech I remember 3 of them with double shots (18 per model) rerolling all hits, and wrath of mars giving mortal sounds on 6’s I also remember when gw failed to price the melee vs ranged versions so the robotics were dirt cheap for months on end.

Something I've been thinking about with the Stormsurge, one thing that could help make it more viable is give it and maybe the Ta'unar the ability to have two spotted units while guided, each requiring a separate observer unit. That way it can split fire between a tanky target and a softer one without being heavily penalized in the hit rolls, but would require a significant investment by taking up two observer units (or one full Pathfinder team's guiding) that would otherwise be guiding something else. Just a thought.

Sloppity Bilepiper is quite useful in a list that specializes in battleshock. Example; DG list with the -1 OC/LD debuff and some plagueburst crawlers. This allows you to force units in nearly every phase to take battleshocks, add in some models that cause units to take mortals should they fail(The Droning enhancement), and something like the Noxious blightbringer making those tests fail more often and you have a fairly respectable mortal wounds spam, as well as board control.

It is still so, so wild to me that the Stompa isn't just not the worst item on this list, but not even on the list at all.

I really wish GW would make flyers USEABLE. They’re so cool

I'm looking at what you get on a leman russ vanquished vs a deathstrike for 5pts more. GW, how are these the same ?

Changecaster is great with blue horrors when you add them to the CSM dead talon.

Auspex forgetting the far and away worse ad mech unit: Skatros. It's ok, we try to forget him too.

I'm anxious to see how the Toxicrene performs now the movement rules have been changed. I always thought that was its biggest flaw. But I agree with the rest of your choices for the Tyranids. The Hive guard breaks my heart though. They were so good!

More like Uthar the Destined to not be used!

I have to wonder if our dogmata might see some use as a miracle dice farmer in Army of Faith with that 5 point enhancement that makes it where enemy units that fail a battle shock test generate a miracle dice?

I play my reiver lieutenant as a phobos lieutenant, no way im gonna buy that vanguard kit just for 1 character

The weakest unit in my army are my dice rolls

Catachans + Command Squad with all Chains words, + Straken + Nork is an expensive but ridiculously punchy guard unit.

I'll actually disagree on the Forgefiends for World Eaters. 3 D3 blast weapons can put a huge hole in an opponent's attempt to screen you out or clear huge model count units fairly easily. And turn 2 onwards, if they're close to Angron, you can give them full rerolls to hit. Also, any infantry that gets tagged has to take a Battleshock test. They're also very nasty combined with maulerfiends, since they can usually guarantee the +2 to charge and +1 to hit will be active for them. Just saying as well, Jack Harpster runs them.

The Reiver LT would gain Deep Strike/Grapnels when attached to a Reiver Squad with those wargear options. I'd still go for the phobos LT for Move shoot move charge to charge out of deep strike.

weirdly enough, the changecaster CAN be a solid (if a bit rogue) choice as a solo character when allied into dread talons CSM. as u can deep strike it in to inflict battle shock at an oppertune time and/or do secondaries. For 60 pts it aint terrible, rly paid off when I did exactly that with my dread talons in a game a few weeks back

I run helbrutes in my DG, with dual fists they tend to rip apart most stuff they manage to get into combat with, I would argue their biggest weakness is the 6" movement.

For Deathwatch, i would include the spectrus killteam - reivers bring the quality of the squad way down, and they're priced like its made of eliminators

Things won't stay bad forever , but things will at least look good forever

World Eater Forgefiend is quite good, D3 blast is against heavy units quite necessary

I'm not saying they're good. But I have tried grey knight servators in a list that was running dreads and techmarines. You get 2 bs 3 multimeltas (2 attacks each )if you have a tech leading them and you get to uppy downy. The tech marine does lose the lone op which sucks but you can try and hide in ruins while buffing a dread turn 1. Again, not great, but I'd argue it isn't terrible. Personally I'd take that in a specific list over transport and the ven dread.

I agree about the discolord. Last edition, he was practically an autoinclude. Now, he's is absolutely turbotrash datasheet and horribly overcosted.

Land raider redeemer can overwatch with that broken OP 2d6+6 flamethrower that melts everything but knights cant... Thanks GW, really "fair" for knights players.

This is the content I love! Give me dumb weak stuff and shenanigans

Reiver LT needs the+1cp cost for enemy stratagems.

I recall the Firesight Marksman being not a bad pick, if a bit unusual, during the index, but now that I think about it, the only list I currently have planned using them is a double Ta'unar list that needed more spotters so I could split-fire without penalties or have redundancy when the stealthsuits got taken out. EDIT: just learned that the rules are not written the way I thought they were to allow multiple observer units for one guided unit and have somehow been misreading them since the start of 10th. So much for any of my fun plans before assembling my more competitive list...😢 Seriously irritated at how poorly FTGG works with any T'au vehicles. They were all designed for split-fire with mixed weapons, and now are actively aggressively penalized for doing so.

Personally I think the War Shaper and Flesh Shaper have their (niche) uses while the Trail Shaper got hamstrung by the last rules change and now doesn't have a place in any list. Also kind of applies to the War Shaper but if you run a 20-stack of kroot and you find yourself wanting to bring them back more than once you have bigger problems than a rules nerf...

Haha, my entire Ork army is made of buggies

I'm not surprised that the Defiler is the list. It's so out of date when you build it on the app or Datasheet that it's good but comes to the model it doesn't have what you build.

Considering how horrifying the repentia are in the penance detatchment, i think that makes up for how mid they are in other ones.

Had a buddy use the Dogmata with a Retributor squad. It was brutal as he auto hit with a six in overwatch with sustained and lethal. Murdered my charging Trygon instantly.

Seeing harlequins this low and includet into eldar intirely my heart is bleeding

I have been watching recently for the past couple of weeks but I have not seen you say anything about the space marine chapter I run the salamanders

Daemon fortifications are funny. They give models with a 7+ save and 5+ invulnerable save the benefit of cover??? Only the Skull Altar gives a 6” Shadow of Chaos, but not the tree?

Maybe if you got 1st turn, then pinned opponent with some death rider sqns when hes all bunched up, deathstrike might be funny. Certainly not cost effective, especially as reinforcements got nerfed into the deck.

Tankbustas: Back in 4th, they were playable, because *you could take a squad of up to 15 of them* (Boyz with rokkit launchas and tankbusta bombs, an absurdly easy conversion), the Tankhammer at S10 was as hard-hitting as anything in the game, and the rokkit pistols didn't *exist,* it was just a fun alternate sculpt for a rokkit launcha. Tankbustas in 10th have been nothing but absolute garbage.

Hey, I got an off topic question. Is ist possible to take something >500 Points in deep strike? Like two 10 man Bricks of terminators oder 2x6 Venatari?

I really don't see how sacresants are on this list? Halberds with a Palatine are absolutely lethal unless you're only considering bringers of flame sacresants have a place.

In CSM it's definitively the discordant. The others are niche (and cheaper), but they discordant could get down 50 points down and still be bad. You can't say that about the rest (now, It costs more than a chaos lord with legionaries, to put some perspective).

Gotta say - I ran 2 games with the Stratoraptor and the thing does WORK with the +1 BS. It's ability is +1 to hits against ground targets, so the Lascannon, x2 Heavy Phosphors & x2 Phosphor Stubbers are hitting on 2s. Thing actually kind of rocks for a flyer.

So, I think a fun video, or at least poll question, might be "which index faction could most benefit from an additional detachment?" It seems to have done wonders for the DEldar, and I personally hoped it would be a more frequent thing, at least when they did balanced data slates of this most recent scale. As a fan of both Guard and Eldar; two factions that I feel took big hits in how they play, or which units to play with, I feel like either one could really do with something more, official from GW, depicting how THEY envision people playing, instead of just continuing to nerf their most played units, or beat down rules/mechanics that they feel have become inconvenient in the current meta. Guard have changed, but they did finally drive what is likely the last nail in the coffin for indirect fire artillery spam, despite that having been a lot of their prior play strength. Some if their troops, and definitely some of the tanks, look a fair bit better, but they also have numerous things that can't use Born Soldiers 2.0 at all, and apart from tank spam keeping tournament turns shorter, I'm not sure what second way they want people to play Guard, though I assume that their codex is distant. Eldar are much the same. I don't think they are doing poorly, but a lot of what this "movement wins battles" army got was nerfs to its more mobile units, and since their detachment rule had been trouble, at times, it might be nice to see what alternatives they might be thinking about, since they eventually HAVE to get more, and thus different rules. Blah blah blah. I wish that a few more factions could receive a second way to play, now that so many factions do have their codex, and two out of five new good ways to play. I am curious, though, which factions other people would hope for the most?

Went to an RTT yesterday (6 July) and my Havocs flat flopped. Yeah, that's a dice thing but I will gladly reallocate that 135pt of Swing to something more useful and, more importantly, reliable.

For Gaurd, I find the pricing of the Agis line just ridiculous. For the price, you could bring a whole other unit of Death Korps, or a Basilisk, or catachans in a chimara. It's just so expensive to keep your already frail units slightly tougher. You could almost bring 3 pyskers who can be in three places and shoot besides the invul save.

If they would just drop the price of the Tankbustas and the loadout malarkey, we could have some fun there. They really need to drop the finecast crap and give us plastic Tankbustas

As an admech player i'm still waiting for someone to tell the point of the technoarcheoligist currently, double OC and 12" deep strike denial are usefull tools for an army but I honestly think having both on the same character that also happens to not have weapon that can shoot beyond 12" is counterproductive at best and a more often a waste of points. Seriously the best case imo is if it leads a squad of kataphrons, probably destroyers, and if your spending an HQ on kataphrons, then the manipulus and the dominus overshine this so damn hard I could nearly cry.

I'm really hoping for another knight tyrant buff at some point. It was my first knight and I really wish it was just a little cheaper

As a long time AdMech player, I think Serberys Sulphurhounds might be the worst in my opinion (barring aircraft). Outside of specifically fighting T:3 infantry, their S:3 flamers will do nothing, and their datasheet lets them deal mortals on the charge without a decent melee profile to follow up with.

Just played a game today,my ad mech vs black templars,4 robots,with phosphor blasters, in the shooting mode,with the new ballistic doctrina,hitting from 2+ or 3+ if moving,20 shots,str 6,ap -1,dmg 2,and another 20,same stats with dmg 1,so 40 shots very effctive vs infantry,they were devastating to the opponent,probably the best unit of the army,not the worst!

Im so in love with tankbusta more than flash gits

As admech yeah kastelans have potential but strictly not given doctrina just because detatchment rule is sad , they could given them new detatchment rule like they gain battleline keyword instead .

Sacresants are pretty okay now. Sustained/lethal, sometimes both. But slap a Hospitaller in there and they can actually weather some shooting in cover. Not the best pick but they can actually do a job now.

Deathwatch indomitus kill team is where it’s at

If the Defiler was a smaller model, it wouldn't be as bad. It's just too large, even with its ability.

they could just give the custard bikes one more 1 wound and 1 more toughness and probably be ok ...

As a Space Wolves player I think Lukas isn’t that bad, especially for the points. I’ll often throw him with a squad of Blood Claws on an objective to just sit there and tank damage/be a distraction with good results.

Daemons player here: I often take Sloppity to local RTT's. He' s the best nurgle leader, put him near a greater for the -1 Battleshock and he deals a good amount of mortals, and can turn off interrupts, AoC etc from the opponent when you charge. Also extra movement / advance reroll is what really matters to get to objectives quick. The Scrivener is def worse as extra OC is basically never relevant and boosting combat stats of plaguebearers is meaningless.

I feel like, the way Auspex describes it, the Deathstrike missile could be used to push units around by aiming at them and then choosing not to fire. Or is the target marker permanent? I see. You designate, then next turn you can fire or move it. But in any case, the target marker has to stay still for a turn. Still, I feel like it could be used to try and dictate or deter options for your opponent.

The plage surgeon and noxious blight bringer aren't overlooked. They are useless.

Me watching this with my new Lt in river armor y hand. 😢

Up next weakest tanks, flyers and walkers for each faction and how to make them better.

So sad about the defiler...

i feel the weaker units are sometimes the one which can pull off the biggest wins.

Mordian Glory disagrees with your Nork's "rarely desired"

The Shaper stats are like fancy Sergeants. C'mon GW! Give me a Kroot jacked like a Krootox who uses a Power Axe! Superkroot who 1vs1 Space Marines and Hive Tyrants! Or even a Big Ol Buggy Vespid! VESPID!!!

For AdMech I'd argue it's the Skatros. Literally zero reason to take it unfortunately. Also I believe you meant to list the Tech Priest Dominus, not the Tech Priest Enginseer.

Kastelan is very good in cybernetica,its melee can destory almost everything.

Dang my admech army is mostly kastelan robots lmao

Wait are you telling me tzaangors and vortex beast aren't actually that bd this edition?

I have had a lot of success with the Firesight Marksman. If you give him the enhancement for Lethal or Substained hits, he can be very good if he's guiding the right unit

Whoever at GW who has the hate boner for flyers needs to be locked up. The Valkyrie is literally the only IG model I would be willing to build an army around, and it's so dreadful they're basically saying "please, no more money, we have enough"

Admech gonna disagree, Kastelans can literally just blonk themselves on an objective and I think they can gain a FNP in one Detachment. Couple this with FNPs from Techpriest 4+ 5NP D3 heal it can (boosted) near 1 shot anythinhg and its unlikely it gets 1 shot back. Its a good enough vehicle to eat a round of firing and survive to shoot back.

Desolation Marines never even got to shine. Guys at the FLGS joked I should get them because they wouldn't get nerfed soon, now look at them. I never even finished building the stupid things.

tbh Repentia are still fairly good outside of their detachment with full rerolls. I definitely think sacresants and dogmata are at the bottom.

Reivers have been laughed at since the launch of them. For those who don't know, they had an internal idea of making phobos marines their own army, which is why they released a special restricted detachment for them with their own stratagems and the like. If you've ever wondered why Primaris have so many units and so little variety, this is why. Because GW let their (lack of) imagination run wild and not tell anyone what their idea was, except for in an obscure youtube warhammer channel podcast that no one listens to. How do you fix them? Make them more than cost effective. It's okay to not balance units according to points, it's actually exceptionally narrow minded not to, especially between factions where layers of rules apply that give them a different final 'real' worth. It's okay for Reivers to be scary infantry hunters that come down anywhere and viciously harass blobs.

I so badly want Reivers to be something more than a source of cool heads, you can see terror tactics being something whole chapters organise themselves about. I think either Battle Shock itself needs to be made harsher, or they need more of a reward for inflicting it on units, say a hit or wound bonus as well as the debuff they place on the enemy.

I really do wonder what the rule writers do and whether they actually play the game when we have a video like this highlighting that there are so many units with weak, flavourless, repetative rules that lack synergy. But then I do generally play the unit's that i like in lore and sculpt, regardless of rules!