Jan Ullrich Sits Down with Lance, George & Johan To Discuss the Evolution of Their Rivalry

Jan Ullrich Sits Down with Lance, George & Johan To Discuss the Evolution of Their Rivalry | THEMOVE

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During their walk down memory lane, the group touches on the back story behind the famous ‘The Look’ on Alpe d’Huez at the 2001 Tour de France, the 2003 Tour de France when Jan put 1’36 into Lance in the first individual time trial, and Lance cracked on the Tourmalet, before coming back with an amazing ride on Luz Ardiden after his crash, where Jan made the decision to wait for Lance and allowed him to catch up, the different media pressure each superstar received in their respective home countries and how the intense glare in Germany has affected Jan. Before they go, they revisit Jan’s appearance, and speech at the Discovery Team’s 2005 Tour de France Celebration Dinner.
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@towhee7472 8 ай бұрын

Met Jan in 2022 on my way back home from the final stage of the Tour de France in Paris. When I first passed and recognised him, I was so shocked, I couldn't believe my childhood hero was just sitting there. I was unsure whether or not I should bother him, or rather let him live his life in peace. When I got off the train, I decided to at least ask him for a picture and we had a short conversation. He is such a modest, down to earth guy, he remains a hero for me.

@kevina8187 8 ай бұрын

Jan is the best

@phacharawut 7 ай бұрын

He’s cool

@aarons-n-b-g6642 8 ай бұрын

God, as a teen, watching these Tours each holiday after school in Germany, i HATED Lance so much, cheering each and every year for Jan sitting in front of the TV. Now i absolutely LOVE to see this friendship. Truly inspiring. Willkommen zurück im Leben, Jan - you're a true fighter and a legend. Thanks a lot to Lance, George, Johan, JB and the whole WEDU Team

@ReVoltaire 8 ай бұрын

Back in those years, I had the idea of turning the TdF into a scripted reality show, "Big Time Cycling" 😂 They would produce a European version of the TdF in which Jan would best the then much reviled Lance in much of Europe. And, concurrently air a North American version in which Jan was cast as the "evil German" and Lance would heroically prevail 🇺🇸💪🏻

@carlhammill5774 8 ай бұрын

I was also a teen but watching from US. I never even rode bikes but was absolutely gripped by the drama this rivalry generated. It was such a golden time period and inspired me to train in another sport. I am so thankful for both Jan & Lance and unsung warriors on their teams who lead us on such a journey.

@mikehyde2934 7 ай бұрын

This is absolutely joyous watch!

@riquelmeone 8 ай бұрын

I’m German and my first Tour was 1997 and have been hooked on Jan ever since. The rivalry was quite a bitter one from our perspective but it was still captivating. And 2003 felt like the culmination of all cycling gods coming together for Jan, and then that tragic rainy day. Then we had the tough times of cycling and all the revelations. But Lance always had that aura around him. I’d rather not be his enemy but you have to respect his belief and passion for the sport. And the friendship between him and Jan is just amazing. I think thanks to Lance, Jan Ullrich has an image in the US that we Germans could not possibly imagine. Here, the people love him, but the press does not. I am glad he found this connection. And let’s not forget the passion from Johan and George either. Thanks guys!!!

@user-nk8yp9hw1g 8 ай бұрын

Right on buddy 👍 stats and figures can be erased, but history can't and it's definitely history.... And there's KZfaq videos of all these races that prove it

@rolffuchs2737 8 ай бұрын

Iam also German (schöne Grüße) and 97 i was in the Alsace watching the tour and then we rode the stage vice versa.. Later I heard that Jan then had a bad day.

@rampetampen 20 сағат бұрын

@@rolffuchs2737nicht nur derJan...Seine Frau und Kinder auch... Ebenso eine fast erwürgte Prostituierte....Nichts ist toll an Jan Ullrich...Ein mieser Lügner und Alkoholiker.....

@netw52 8 ай бұрын

My favorite podcast ever. Listening through tears and laughter. These men have a bond that will never be broken. Seeing Jan so healthy and happy makes everything right in our crazy, tumultuous world. Please do this every year after your camp.

@freebird61885 8 ай бұрын

Jan’s performance on the Arcalis stage in ‘97 is still one of the greatest climbs of all time. ‘97 Ullrich may be the greatest stage racer we’ve seen.

@paulogryzek4740 8 ай бұрын

It's fantastic so see you doing better Jan. I really respect that you didn't hide your issues from the public. As a huge cycling fan who has suffered tremendously myself with mental health and addiction problems, I can say that more sports heroes need to have the courage to let their fans know what s going on. You were an inspiration to me more than you could ever know. The rivalry between you and Lance piqued my fascination with the idea of pushing my body to the extreme limit that has culminated in a very beautiful and rewarding life hiking and climbing in the mountains. You may have saved my life by being so awesome. You're a great man and you taught me how to suffer like a man through my TV set. Keep riding and keep yourself in this happy state, man. You're an international treasure. Thank you for everything!

@simonwilton3546 8 ай бұрын

Great comnent.

@zacharykelly4088 8 ай бұрын

Wow thank you so much for this! The Jan-Lance thing is my favorite rivalry in all sports. The cocky a-hole versus the big hearted tank who wouldn't give up. Love you guys, it's a real joy to see your friendship now.

@markdoyle9834 8 ай бұрын

Jan is a hero for so many of us. My childhood revolved around watching him every July. The press constantly took shots at him and tried to pull him down. To see him happy and healthy now brings tears of happiness to my eyes.

@frankfrohmann1504 8 ай бұрын

I met Jan twice at Ötztal marathon. He is a great man, very humble and gentle.

@rampetampen 20 сағат бұрын

@@frankfrohmann1504Er war auf Drogen und Alkoholiker als er versuchte eine Prostituierte zu erwürgen.Schon vergessen???

@erikmatz3072 7 сағат бұрын

@@rampetampenUnd hat im Sport betrogen. Echter Antiheld. Dass es immer noch Leute gibt, die sowas anhimmeln, peinlich. Gut das er im Radsport keine Bühne mehr bekommt.

@classicamericanoldman1091 8 ай бұрын

Jan proves he is a TRUE champion...he would NEVER want to win while Lance was crashed or some other way...only TRUE competitors and champions have this mind set... so glad these guys do this every year....

@mruizsr 8 ай бұрын

Jan is truly a class act at the highest level. I've never seen this level of sportsmanship before and since then. I couldn't believe he did that. Jan is one of the GOAT's, without question.

@mazpr2025 8 ай бұрын

Most importantly not a cry baby like Tyler ”manchild" Hamilton... 🤣💥

@sheldonrevis9268 8 ай бұрын

Man I love Jan. What a good soul and what an amazing rivalary. I miss those days so much. Great episode fellas.

@erikmatz3072 25 күн бұрын

Cringe missing thoses days of the greatest frauds in cycling...

@sheldonrevis9268 25 күн бұрын

@@erikmatz3072 you'll be fine kid. Your comment tells me you were too young to have lived it and too naive to understand. If for some reason you are old enough to have actually lived it something is really wrong with you.

@rampetampen 20 сағат бұрын

@@sheldonrevis9268stupid comment without even knowing the guy....Use your brain before writing nonsense

@erikmatz3072 14 сағат бұрын

@@sheldonrevis9268 First I am not young. Second there is absolutely nothing to relativate about doping. The fish always starts stinking from the head and people like you, lifting theses cheaters on a throne today, are still a problem. They were simply cheaters and cheated over the riders how did not do any kind of doping and played fair. I was one of them riding in continental teams for more then 6 years, also competed against Jan and many other in german championship races and never ever had a chance to step up into low/mid pro level. And the reason is simply cause the majority was using drugs, as it is evident, that EPO gives you at minimum a 10 to 15% boost in performance, which would have brought me from an average german semi pro, to a mid level pro rider. You are simply a shame for our sport, preferring the spectacal over fair sport. It's like celebrating Trump for being a criminal or Bush or Putin for starting an unnecessary war. Shame!

@nelsonhibbert5267 6 ай бұрын

Jan was one of the most naturally gifted athletes I've seen on a bike.

@curdulls 8 ай бұрын

You guys are the ones in the first TdF memories I have as a child, so hearing you talk about those is gold to my ears. Thank you very much for sharing with us! So glad all of you are doing well after all these years. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

@Model3dude 8 ай бұрын

Take note Tour De France broadcast team…. This is what people want to see and hear! Great conversation Jan and Lance! This was the conversation I was waiting for with more like this to come hopefully. Some of the other conversations that may come could be those that were in opposition to Lance..I know, I know tough conversations, but may be healing for all to just lay the cards on the table to talk about that time from the competition level. Thanks again for bringing even more context to that time in cycling.

@airman8368 8 ай бұрын

Jan is a class act. Great to see him doing so well.

@EduardoRodrigues-kt1qb 8 ай бұрын

Whether there was a look or not, it’s irrelevant. That made for one of the most memorable moments in cycling history. Especially when we add Phil Liggett’s dramatic voice in the commentary. Thank you so much for putting on a great show that inspired many of us to challenge ourselves on the road! #respect

@jswanson859 8 ай бұрын

As a cycling fan, it was a special treat to listen to the men who rode the race and their thoughts and feelings during the time. Also, the respect they have for each other is great to see.

@AngelGonzalez-hc4zw 8 ай бұрын

Thank you all who made this podcast possible. Most of all it is great to see Jan is doing great. Been a fan of Jan since finishing second in the 96 tour to his teammate B.Riis. Thank you Lance, George, Johan and especially Jan for sharing these amazing stories. A.G

@le0nz 3 ай бұрын

Dope collab!

@zibberebbiz 9 күн бұрын

yeah they really enhanced their performance for this video

@johngeronimo8172 8 ай бұрын

The rivalry between Jan and Lance was what made all those editions of TdF so fn great. Big thanks to all of you guys for doing this!

@aristaeus2514 8 ай бұрын

Can re-watch this so many times.. this is why we love WeDu the move

@JackieB5555 8 ай бұрын

I love Jan and have such great memories of watching the rivalry! Can’t wait to see the documentary.

@jimsloan7500 8 ай бұрын

So much respect for these guys. All class acts! Great to see them back together and supporting each other after all these years. Thanks for the memories guys.

@rguil15 8 ай бұрын

Do you actually know anything about Lance or nah?

@derekjones2204 8 ай бұрын

Lance a class act, ? Not

@John_Wood_ 5 ай бұрын

Only one class act at that table and he's German.

@rjvk1985 8 ай бұрын

I so hope in 20 years we get to see two things. These guys riding bikes together and two guys named Matthieu an Wout having these kind of conversations.Imagine the stories those guys can tell about their fights.

@Shantiante 8 ай бұрын

vdP and WvA is not really a rivalry. It could have been, but vdP is leaps and bounds ahead of WvA now. It’s more vdP and Pogacar now.

@rjvk1985 8 ай бұрын

@@Shantiante you do realize MvdP and WvA hav been rivals ever since they started riding bikes.

@tobiasdencker853 7 ай бұрын

Nah I Hope its going to be vingegaard and pogacar

@dph2902 8 ай бұрын

The stay have been my favorite episode of The Move ever. It was so enjoyable to hear you guys discuss those tour stages and everything else with Jan. Watching you two back then was one of the main things that fried my love of cycling incluing watching all the racing even todaY but also riding. It's so unique to get two rivals together to hear both sides of what happened. Thank you for doing this. It's also amazing to see how well Jan is doing and it's so clear you all mean so much to each other.

@rolandbachler6698 8 ай бұрын

Great to see you guys together. Uncommon to see rivals becoming friends and having a good time. Real leaders with personalities! Would be pleased to see more of Jan, Lance George together.

@loriedwards3987 8 ай бұрын

This was so good. I love Jan and love seeing the relationship Lance and Jan have. ❤🥰

@rampetampen 20 сағат бұрын

2 cheaters,drugabusers and bullies...Wow.....real rolemodels

@federicocosta6040 8 ай бұрын

Legendary junkies meeting!!!

@P-Nisse 11 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@jrcorpuz51 8 ай бұрын

Watching the Tour de France when these 2 were rivals was a treat. To have them seated side by side talking and explaining what happened in those momentous stages is priceless. Jan is a total gentleman and Lance has evolved quite a bit but still has that a-hole jerk side that has not gone away! He is a champ though!

@doubletaptv5441 8 ай бұрын

Its so cool seeing these guys back together. My favorite aspect of tyler's book was listening about the comraderie and relationships between the teams and riders on the peloton. I came away from it intrigued by their lifestyle and to see how well they know each other even after all these years its cool. There's no other sport like cycling. Im happy to see how much this channel has grown and look forward to see more 🙂

@merlinsing 8 ай бұрын

Great podcast btw…. This one was a long time coming…..thanks again for those years of exciting competition from you three….

@decaf77 7 ай бұрын

I absolutely love Jan, what a wonderful meeting of the greats!

@dennisfischer8683 8 ай бұрын

I remember following the 2003 Tour de France as if it was yesterday (Jan in the Bianchi Türkis/turquois). Great flashbacks and memories come back of this summer. Like a little time jump. Great times. Thanks for the insights 👌

@miguelsotano5201 8 ай бұрын

Doper's Paradies...

@wickedpawn5437 8 ай бұрын

There are many things I admire of Lance. Biggest one: how he values his friendships and respects his friends.

@Nyelands 8 ай бұрын

As long as they were onboard and didn't questioned his ethics.

@dianes.1909 8 ай бұрын

@@Nyelandsfriendship works both ways.

@rguil15 8 ай бұрын

Lol "friendship". Aka partnership

@Nyelands 8 ай бұрын

Yes it is like in the criminal underworld, friends one day enemies the next. @@dianes.1909

@MattSwain1 8 ай бұрын

Thanks to all involved in this video. Really uplifting, great to see Jan doing well and the vibe you all have together

@douglastong3208 8 ай бұрын

I'm happy you all got together like this and shared your memories and your thoughts.Thank you!

@mookie0788 8 ай бұрын

This made me so happy to see you all together again. I spent all of my HS summer mornings getting up early to watch you guys ride. Thank you!

@jodaefauser2911 8 ай бұрын

Table full of cycle_GOATS - love and support from Germany for you ALL guys

@shaunelliott5408 8 ай бұрын

Great to see Jan looking so well and in a good place.👍👍

@KFc-pm1rz 7 ай бұрын

Jan and Lance made cycling what it is today. They popularised it and helped it grow in many ways. You guys are the best!!! Thank you!!! I always have special memories watching from those years.

@ramizlayaud327 8 ай бұрын

I could listen to these memorable days for hours and hours. Never get tired of it.

@duathlete827 8 ай бұрын

Lance's lack of fear of anything has always amazed me. He fears nothing but maybe himself. He seemingly has no fear of any man or woman, disease, God, obstacle or situation. He's always been the center of his universe and little else matters. EPO or not, his rides in TDF were, by far, the most entertaining of any tours.

@klausbinn777 8 ай бұрын

No they weren't. They were fuelled by drugs and bullying.

@francoisdek 8 ай бұрын

No way, as I remember those Tours were among the most boring ones. His team was just controlling the race and most of the excitement was gone..

@talibe801 8 ай бұрын

You guys are fantastic ,thank you very much for all you done to cycling,those years in the end of 90 and years ahead were some of the best years in cycling.Those batles in the Alpes and Pirinees were just amazing.👍💪

@jon4539 8 ай бұрын

Thanks guys such great content and how great Lance is to reaching out to Jan, great memories of these two rivals

@makingartwithjennyb9246 8 ай бұрын

I love this behind the scenes stuff. Watching the race you never got a sense of any of this colorful backstory. Thanks for sharing. The story about Jan speaking at the celebration dinner is so important to hear from the people who lived it and did it.

@jt.8144 8 ай бұрын

LEGENDS. Been a great 30 or so years watching these guys in TDF.

@motay86 8 ай бұрын

Wow. What a gift. Thank you for this. Great to see Jan and hear the stories. Best cycling interview in years.

@sgbryant1962 7 ай бұрын

This is one of the best shows you guys have done. It was because of Lance and Jan that I really got super enthusiastic about riding. I was 37 at the time. Thanks guys.

@michaelschler3666 8 ай бұрын

Jan Ullrich ,,, He has always seemed so likeable ,,,,I like him ... Regards, a Danish cycling fan

@hilltop1972 8 ай бұрын

Jan and Lance got me into cycling and racing. Love this

@rampetampen Ай бұрын

Also into EPO?

@staniaborakova4952 8 ай бұрын

What a pleasure to see you all together! Great podcast!

@BenjaminUbayyed-po9tc 8 ай бұрын

The best thing that came out of Lance's coup de grâce is thos podcast. I remember watching these tours on Outdoor Life Network. I was either on my bike or using but either way I was glued to these tours and they really marked important moments in my 20's. It's cool to see the band back together. You should bring Jan on to comment on races from time-to-time.

@ssaafur 8 ай бұрын

This was a soul stirring and deeply enjoyable conversation to observe. Keep doing this!

@WristwatchAddiction 8 ай бұрын

We love you Jan!

@anthonytella1824 8 ай бұрын

Great vid! Glad to see the boys keep on keeping on!

@jeffschmid2538 8 ай бұрын

That was SPECIAL! Thank you!!

@cyclingnerddelux698 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for bringing Jan on guys. I was a huge fan of his and am thrilled to hear he is doing well!

@luannemurray4710 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for this podcast! ❤

@gc641 8 ай бұрын

Classic, love that era of cycling, you guys are the reason I picked up cycling 🤙

@soloist777 5 ай бұрын

I think, like many of my vintage, cycling Australians have a fond place in their heart for Jan as he came here very early in his career and raced here several times. I've read and I think L.A has said, Jan's one of the most gifted cyclists who's ever raced and a great competitor. And who doesn't enjoy reliving their great battles on KZfaq? I think Jan suffered more than most from the TdF scandals especially in his home country so I'm stoked to see him here, smiling and hopefully well. And continues to remain so. Jan always seemed like a nice human being, to me anyway, so wish him only the best.

@01FozzyS 8 ай бұрын

So nice to hear these stories and to have another Jan session from Mallorca !

@jrm7125 8 ай бұрын

As a kid I watched your duels on the TDF, I’ll never forget the insane time trial of Lance, when he destroyed Ulrich. ❤ I love cycling thanks to you guys. It was until 2022-2023 tdf when I experienced a true battle in the TDF, as you did back on your primes. Greetings from 🇲🇽

@dionoliveira4058 8 ай бұрын

Great experiencing those races from afar but live, I recall each of those moments in those races with you road warriors. I had recently started racing myself and remember meeting Jan briefly in Cape Town although I was always a Lance and George fan Jan was also amongst the gods of cycling, thank you all for keeping it alive.

@pierretostee 8 ай бұрын

In 2005 I flew to France from South Africa just to watch the final day of the Tour de France. Thank you Lance and Jan for all the memories. And for The Move podcast keeping the memories alive. Best cycling podcast show in the world.

@tuomasholo Ай бұрын

These were my heroes growing up. And they still are. Thank you for so many years of great racing and happy to see everyone together as friends.

@rampetampen 4 сағат бұрын

4 cheaters

@xandinho17 8 ай бұрын

nice to see all of you guys together in-person 🤝

@curtvaughan2836 8 ай бұрын

Johan is brilliant in his grasp of the past, the people involved, the tactics, the politics, etc. Nice show, and glad Jan participated with his perspective. My favorite thing is the folks calling Lance prosperous ::)

@heffeff 8 ай бұрын

Yeah Johan is a great storyteller!

@alwaysglamorous8941 8 ай бұрын

Awesome show guys, loved the inside perspective! Was hoping to hear small convo about the new racers but still this was epic! ❤❤❤❤

@gregrupert9613 Ай бұрын

Great to see them all together.

@pooh1967cutter1966 Күн бұрын

Very enjoyable to see and listen to these epic gentlemen. It was truly amazing to witness it all play out. It's difficult to be hurt the way so many fans were. Equally it's easy to offer forgiveness as well. We can judge circumstance in our life, we have no right to judge the potential of a man. Thoroughly enjoyed this video.

@gracemalley6821 8 ай бұрын

A truly amazing conversation for sports history, cycling, sportsmanship, and especially for those who followed Jan and Lance's epic battles during those many years. I too have Hühnerhaut (chicken skin).

@arsmusicaproduction2217 8 ай бұрын

Amazing stories! Glad to see everyone enjoying each others company. Like Borg and McEnroe in tennis-it was great to see two rivals from different backgrounds as friends supporting each other.Humanity and sportsmanship.

@skiphalbakken6499 8 ай бұрын

Great stuff guys, it’s great to see you all together! How about a ride video👍. Cheers from Texas 🇺🇸

@user-bq5rd9fo5j 8 ай бұрын

Thank you all for sharing... I am proud Jan, Johan, George and Lance. Good old times. Growing in life does not come easy. Believe me.

@indojap1515 8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for this guys. You all are super stars , so much respect for all of you. Lance ❤ from 🇮🇳 .

@elvisovalle3315 8 ай бұрын

Another year thanks for the memories

@adrianj78 7 ай бұрын

One of my favourite videos from KZfaq EVER! I watched almost the TdFs from 1987-2013 so great to catch up with my heroes after all this time. ❤❤❤ (I think I missed 1993-97).

@slide_drexler 8 ай бұрын

I tested positive for EPO's just by watching this.🤭

@P-Nisse 11 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@SAND33Z 10 күн бұрын

lol

@seriousstuff50 8 ай бұрын

it's amazing to see these guys relaying the stories from the days. I loved those days of racing between them. Great to see them all good friends. Awesome viewing.

@WalrusRiderCycling 7 ай бұрын

Great podcast. Great to see what good friend Jan and Lance are now and the respect they have for each other.

@robertrishel3685 Ай бұрын

So good to see Jan doing well and looking so healthy and happy! One of my all time favorite athletes on earth. Really cool discussion.

@jimwoitt1554 8 ай бұрын

I absolutely loved this conversation of stories and memories. As others have said "All class acts". Good luck to all!

@James.P.D 8 ай бұрын

I really look forward to the Jan documentary, I hope there is an English version or version with subtitles 👍

@user-mo4uh6mw3v Ай бұрын

Amazing! Team EPO 💪

@Sparkyz480 8 ай бұрын

Wow what a great episode! These stories are what got me into cycling.

@sandrosacco926 8 ай бұрын

So much great memories with this Guys and i love it to see them now in this friendship. I wish you all the best. 💛

@MichelleBeltran 5 ай бұрын

Man, just _love_ this episode! The Look...classic history. Bravo! (:

@neologian1783 Ай бұрын

Makes me super happy to see Jan looking well. He's always been a monster figure from that era and always seemed to be such a great guy. This just confirms it. Viva la Ullrich. Great to hear 4 guys just story telling and seeing former rivals, now friends, laughing with one another.

@timneil2059 8 ай бұрын

Great video and really great to see Jan !!!!!!!!!

@adrianwood06 8 ай бұрын

This is one of my favorite podcasts from theMove…and this is coming from a follower when it was called Stages 😂👍💪

@rudyelizondo1935 8 ай бұрын

Great show guys, wonderful friendships and comrades!

@AdamJStoryDC 8 ай бұрын

This was an awesome interview. I hope I can see it in the states on Amazon Prime

@stefunkypunky116 8 ай бұрын

I freaking love those guys. Jan Ullrich is the reason I started on my bike. Lance is the second reason. And Johan is such a smart and eloquent character. What a luck to have him on your team.

@uniqueaerialvideoltd2863 Ай бұрын

I feel so much love for Jan. What an incredible spirit. A great sit down, keep them coming.

@michal_kasuba 8 ай бұрын

I have awesom memories on this Cycling history Thank you

@OlivierSkier 8 ай бұрын

This is legendary content

@tammyvanderveen364 8 ай бұрын

I just love all of you guys. I remember watching the race. I actually took leave to watch the whole race.

@mustafajoseph134 8 ай бұрын

Tremendous. Thanks for the good memories

@cesarvtiongco 7 ай бұрын

Its very nice to see and watch Lance and Jan talk about inside thoughts about those races , the rivalries they encountered . I really feel that it is Jan the reason why Lance become very famous . I still watch the Tour de France until now , but the time of Armstrong and Ulrich is the time I can never forget and until now I still watch the videos of their races at you tube...