Yes, that comment out of context could sink a mans career

Your laugh when you first got to play with it says it all!

Love these collaborations. It's how I heard of you, and now I've watched dozens of your videos. They're so much fun!

Always fun playing with new toys and old friends!

I would like to see it used with a shield. Not sure it’s historically accurate. Seems like it would be fun though.

Thanks Matt and always a pleasure hanging out with you. Can I also say that I love coming down to your fight camp events. Really well organised, continually interesting and full of willing guinea pigs! What's not to like.

I respect Matt greatly, and it would just not be reasonable to infringe on his territory

Matt being a comedian lol. I laughed at the unintentional innuendo of it all

@@rasaecnai With Matt it's always questionable whether it's unintentional...

He was waiting for Matt to give it the proper context!

Phrasing!

I love how often I see you and Tod and scholagladiatoria and others in the community posting in each other's comment sections!

@@Zelmel Because they are good honest people with nothing to hide or be ashamed of. And no superiority complex, despite quite real uncommon abilities. True kings among men.

Agreed, and with every experiment, our knowledge grows. Funny to think that some of our best connections to the past, may be yet to come. This community is an invaluable collection of living archeology!

Thanks Jason, always appreciate hearing from you and I have a Weird Weapon that is right up your street........

@@tods_workshop ooo, let'e email or chat!

A very good point and well put

Also it allows, in my mind at least, to serve a formation fighting role. Use this to deal damage and REALLY bring the shields down to make openings for the spears and such.

Yeah, or with a parrying dagger in the other hand. It felt weird to have the off-hand completely free.

@@couchpotatoe91 it was useful to have a free hand and arm against the spear i think. Against a blade a shield would enable you to do the same thing while being protected against cuts you couldnt block or derail with your bare arm like you can do against a spear.

Yeah! That's what I was expecting to see.

Yes I would agree, it was an oversight of mine to not bring a shield

@@tods_workshop Would be interesting to see if you can hide the angles behind your shield. Or even purposely hit the top of your shield with the shaft to make the ball whip around faster.

Doing basically the same thing all through my childhood, 45 years and counting!

It depends on the armor situation, of course. If you're wearing plate, then having a free hand would be a lot better than holding a shield.

We used them from horseback

Imo, fighting with a flail would be only a fully armored thing. No reason to do it unarmored, a sword would be much better for that. But if you are in a full plate and can take a hit, you can just go with it and bypass some of the opponent's defenses with it.

@@Danik0301987 Maybe you could conceal a flail better then a sword .

@@piotrjeske4599 Good reach and combined force, great way to bash your enemy. I pity the peasant fools who opposed you.

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Presumably a little like orbital mechanics; if you want a faster orbit you reduce the radius, (shorten the chain). Increase the radius, (lengthen the chain) and the radial velocity slows. So wrapping around the tree produces a reducing curve and an increasing velocity….

You have the words where it failed Matt and I. Are you THE Martin Francis?

@@tods_workshop it is indeed; not quite sure which bit of the brain that popped up from given that my academic training was in geology and my professional qualification was in surveying. I think it might have been a lifetime reading science fiction and being 13 at the time of the moon landing, greedily absorbing everything I could get my hands on about it.

This is probably why it was mainly used as cavarly weapon by turks, persians ,koreans and manchus. I would assume the "hit back" from stricking a helmet with a mace at a gallop could make you drop your weapon. With a flail? No biggy. You also have less of an issue of parrying on horseback.

I think, as well, these weapons seem to take advantage of the idea that your are wearing armor. Trading a light sword strike for the full momentum of the flail does not seem a fair trade. Even if you catch the flail, that wrapping motion let's it carry the weight around the edge for a lovely strike on someone's exposed hands. I am speculating. I have always figured flails made good sense in horseback, but I am thinking about the overall scenario. If you have this weapon, something tells me you have good armor to accompany it. What a deadly device. I would have never thought about these applications before seeing it in action.

It is a truly nasty thing

Well, though what you are saying is correct, it's not completely true. The effects you're talking about involve conservation of angular momentum, but here, angular momentum of the neither the weight nor the rope is conserved. The process here involves conservation of energy ( the tension of the rope acts perpendicular to motion of the weight) and thus the speed of the ball remains constant. The reason you have a very large force applied on target is because the tension in the rope is very high during the final stage of wrap(when very less rope is free) and the free ends of the rope make an angle other than 180 degrees. Even if the angle is 180 degrees, there will be a large normal force acting at each point(the sum of this force is 0 though). The ball is accelerating though as the direction of velocity is changing. Sorry if this sounds like some looser collage student's rant, but I just wanted to point out that both phenomenon are different

Go make!

They had compound chains, and treadles, and yet, without the pneumatic tire, it took a few hundred years to create the bicycle. Technological progress is such a complex business. 🤩👍

very true, some great leaps happen and then tiny details stop progress

@@euansmith3699 The pneumatic tire wasn't needed to create the bicycle, though. In fact, we could argue that it was one of the last parts added to the modern design of bicycles. The oldest bicycle predecessor known was created in 1817 by Karl von Drais, it had wooden wheels without tires (although some had iron bands to protect the wheel) and it didn't even have pedals (those were invented in the 1850s), but it already had a seat, a handlebar, and even a brake. In the 1860s the term "bicycle" was created (after quite a lot of versions of these vehicles had been made), and in the year 1879 the first chain-driven bicycle was made, although it would still take a couple of years for this invention to gain popularity. The tire itself was made in 1887, being, as I've said, probably the last part to create the modern bicycle. So, yeah, as you said, technological progress is a complex buisness.

compound chain is somewhat easier to produce than linked chain because you don't need to forgeweld, it will take longer but its technically easier because all you need to be able to produce are two shapes, the "figure 8's" for the links and the rivets to hold the bits together.

@@euansmith3699 Simply put the reason is the nature of roads vs the state of a bycicle they could get in that period. The first bicycles had wooden wheels and used wooden frame. But those were quickly replaced by more advanced variants because they just didn't work at anything but the flattest roads. It is also worth noting that the industrial revolution made these contraptions cheaper while the cost of horse transportation continued to rise. Ultimately these factors likely lead to the invention of the bike, not lack of technical skill to accomplish them.

A pleasure and yes the guys were really learning on the job, but of course in reality they would have been dead during the 'experimental' phase

@@tods_workshop I mean, isn't that what doing training is for?

@@wierdalien1 it is but as we saw even someone as well schooled in weaponry as Matt Easton can be confronted with something he has never seen before. Luckily the world has Tod Cutler to bring us weird and wonderful killing sticks to entertain us with.

Nunchucks have the same guard

DUAL WIELD THE FLAILS

@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis Dual wield caps lock.

Great and thanks

I have the same problem. 🤣🤣🤣

Took me a while but I got it in the end. 😆

I saw a baseball cap floating. Weird...

Depends on the context…

All OK now?

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I wonder if you could push up your shield against the opponent and then use the acceleration flick around it to strike.

Yes a shield would have been a very interesting addition; apologies for not bringing one.

@@tods_workshop is the pommel on that hollow, or solid? Curious about that, and how it affects performance and balance! Great work by the way!

Solid

@@tods_workshop cool! Thanks for the response!

Thanks for the compliments and this statement is exactly the words that I have never quite found - thank you "Weapons are tools, and unless there's other factors most tools have a design that guides their use."

Thanks and we like making them.

Thanks and awe do enjoy these

Thanks - That's really appreciated

Our pleasure!

Mine too! It looks so odd and menacing

Thanks - best subscribe then!

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Yes it really did change it from regular chain

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I have noticed that very thing. Just watching him move with the flail is impressive even though he never picked up the weapon before

They are certainly interesting in how the flexibility changes so many aspects of their use and the energy imparted. Thanks for the compliments