Your weld through primer is for the bare steel your going cover over with fresh steel so primer the full area then weld your plate over the top . your steel under your new patch now has protection. you should also spray the back of the repair so the weld wont start to rust or whats the point in doing it in the first place
@stevedail59484 жыл бұрын
I would say it’s more for places that you can’t get to once it’s welded in place.
@NialPowerCork3 жыл бұрын
There’s a lot of sense to what you say, we’d like to return them to “new” or better even but the truth is we can’t, it’s a war of attrition, you do a lot of work and from the moment you finish each task the downward slide begins to the next restoration. We can just make it as far off as possible, to do that we do everything we can, but some stuff just won’t fall into can do. I don’t know about weld through primer, I think it might be trying to replace dipping and it’s hard to see how anything can do that. What I do know though is that if you seal something ferrous from the atmosphere, not perfectly sealed it’s remarkable now well it survives. Metal posts and box sections outside, sometimes full of water for long periods and you do something to them after 10 -15 years and are amazed how well they have held up. Sealing is the only thing I can say I’ve seen the evidence of working.
@jberejik4 жыл бұрын
Good points, I think you are correct. I tried the stuff - doesn't affect the quality of my welds, but it does appear to burn-off at the weld itself. I don't use it. Still, honestly, I don't get the reason for all the effort to argue against somebody who wants to use the stuff. It's like $7 a can. Why are people so angry at folks who use it?
@crf80fdarkdays2 жыл бұрын
try $40 a can in australia
@Tore_Lund5 жыл бұрын
On straight sections, go full stainless. It is tougher to bend and somewhat springy, but stronger so you can go higher in gauge. Then use stainless welding wire and you'll have a part De Lorean bug.
@Tramm4542 жыл бұрын
All over good point, dont overthink. If I try to repair the floor or other not visible places, I just try to weld it completely and not making much lap-welds or if lap weld is needed, then I make minimum overlap and weld both sides completely, I’m not trying to give underside factory look. That is if you want it to last longer than regular lap-weld. And yes, dont give them oldies winter salt, it will eat it up anyway.
@MinisterCrowley Жыл бұрын
With over 30 years in the collision industry,I can tell you,even some manufacturers recommend, not using weld through primer on repairs.if you have access you can always cavity wax the inside of your panels.I use weld through primer because,I just do, for my own reasons.You don't have to use it,seam sealer and cavity wax,and a good primer sealer will do the trick.Also if you use a flux core welder like a lot of dyi guys do,they don't work great with weld through primer.
@brysontrotman58652 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a common sense approach for restoring cars!
@canadianmarauder19234 жыл бұрын
Good talk. I’m getting obsessive on my 03 marauder project. You just gave me some perspective.
@caseythelawnartist9111 Жыл бұрын
Haha it's either the bug or the c7500 everyday 😂 I pick the bug. But thank you for the advice! It's exactly what I was looking for
@EmanDeluxeVLOGS6 жыл бұрын
Mike, great timing for me as you just released this video, i bought a can and really on the fence whether to use it or not. I welcome your views on lots of topics you make videos on and highly agree. Thank you!
@Mikefngarage6 жыл бұрын
the other thing I forgot to cover is that it is harder to weld with that stuff so you have more of a chance to get a cold weld or a weld that does not penetrate. for many years we did not have this product and cars have been just fine without it. there might be places you want to use it though just think about it before you use it.
@EmanDeluxeVLOGS6 жыл бұрын
So true! The can that I bought had great reviews people saying that it works very well, I had horrible luck with it, I tried starting Arc In center of plug weld and outside of plug hole and dropping weld in. was very disappointed after welding a pan half in.and about half of them did not penetrate. Same story with laying a bead. Waste of argon, welding wire, stress and frustration. Not to mention fairly new to welding so that adds to the frustration. Having to go back two or three times on a beautiful Wolfsburg West pan. Lesson well learned
@taxicamel2 жыл бұрын
SERIOUSLY ....WHY DO YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS VIDEO? What a complete waste of time!!! Jump straight to the comments .....more information there.
@joebruno26752 жыл бұрын
The wife and I daily drive our 1977 Beetle. It easy hits 75+ on the highway. It has a Stock EFI 1600 dual port. Disk brakes in the front and Type 3 drums in the back. With little upgrades it works great. I hit it with a mix of grease, oil, and linseed oil under the body twice a year and Linseed oil the top. It keeps the rust at bay. It does not sit in a garage. It drives through puddles and what not. You know they made dune buggies out of these things? Cars are meant to be driven, not kept in castle where plebs can not see them. Old men hogging all the classics and locking them away is what is killing the DIY classic car hobby. Look up Casey Putsch about that.
@Mikefngarage2 жыл бұрын
love to drive them. I do have other car I use for freeway and long distance driving. When I am in a hurry I drive it. When my old classics are needing maintenance I drive it. But I really love to drive the classic vw. choose the right times for the safety of the car and the life of the car. Since they cant be replaced. These trailer queen people that hord the classics and never drive them totally make it suck.
@tomdunigan234 Жыл бұрын
Nice practical advice for building a car you will drive in good weather and you will enjoy.
@DubWerks6 жыл бұрын
I agree. I just put some sealing primer on the two panels and clean the area to be welded.
@Mikefngarage6 жыл бұрын
and I bet that car will still outlive you if you dont wreck it. Youngster... and I dont think you will watched your videos you seem pretty responsible.
@DubWerks6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I hope I don't wreck it, I'm gonna drive it carefully.
@ivorwm22916 жыл бұрын
It's the same with people powder coating everything. It's an unnecessary expense to me.
@Mikefngarage6 жыл бұрын
you bet that is such an expense and in the weather it still fails. just like paint. I paint wrought iron fences that were powder coated to last FOREVER. and they still fail. it peels off in sheets.
@curierfromxibalba11555 жыл бұрын
@@Mikefngarage just brushing some por15 will be enough.
@Mikefngarage5 жыл бұрын
@@curierfromxibalba1155 yea por 15, rust oleum, rust inhibiting oil based paint, treat rust with rust converter or reformer etc.
@mikelove9832 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Straight Ahead ✌😎
@2012isRonPaul3 жыл бұрын
zinc primer is prolly for spot welding then, but copper primer is for mig/tig?
@royboy35972 жыл бұрын
When I'm rotting in my coffin. I want to know, that that torque box repair that I did. Will be around after Pharaoh.
@johnadona3014 Жыл бұрын
rofl. well ya your legacy lives on
@steveguest80285 жыл бұрын
As you say Mike it’s all about money,do people really think that the directors of these big body supply company’s really care about wether their products will preserve your vehicle....of course not,I’m not saying some products don’t work because they do but there are a lot of bs money making shit out there too....Thanks
@dougbaker94732 жыл бұрын
You do realize they do years of testing to make sure it is a product that works as stated before putting it on the market don't you ? Metal roofs are gauranteed for 50 years before they need repainting and will last forever . Neighbors is 100 years old and still holding strong . Money is no object when restoring a car if you do it properly .
@Mikefngarage2 жыл бұрын
as soon as you hit that welder on the metal the primer is gone in that area. The hot metal is going to be the first part to rust. Im not the only one who thinks it is a complete waste of money and time. There are only a few select placed I use it. Check also Fitzees fabrications he does not use it either and has been doing metalwork for 40 years.
@dougbaker94732 жыл бұрын
@@Mikefngarage I do watch his channel all the time and I have been doing metal work for 35 years . For 20 bucks and peace of mind , I'll continue to use it . What's the point of restoring a car if your just gonna let it sit and only drive it on sunny days . 🤔
@gurjindersingh1994 жыл бұрын
I use fluid film after everything is finished
@davids16815 жыл бұрын
Stuff always seemed pointless to me. Regardless of primer choice, you're instantly burning it away from the weld zone, so if the thinking is that it's still protecting a hidden interface, well...there's a sucker born every minute. What DOES work for this is in my experience, following all metalwork, is applying a penetrating two-part epoxy pre-primer, eg Devoe 167, then following with a thicker epoxy that will totally fill the interface.
@jimmywilkinson91906 жыл бұрын
Zinc chromate is sorta what they primed ships with but what ever they primed ships with if they used it on bugs they would not have disapeared so fast . I dont think buses got it at all ????
@Mikefngarage6 жыл бұрын
yea the busses got dipped with the same ecoat bugs have but the bodies were dipped with the bugs and the pans were dipped and painted. so the bugs had the protection of the pans. the busses had no extra protection and lots of places for rust to occur holes, galleys, nooks, crannies, just look underneath the bus
@jimmywilkinson91906 жыл бұрын
yeah the place where you stick the jack in is probable the worst spot of all
@Mikefngarage6 жыл бұрын
yea for sure all those places for dirt to settle and get wet then rust. I really dont know why they even put that style jack inert in the bus. one of those not well thought of engineering VW flaws
@crazyforblues19676 жыл бұрын
Great common sense advice Mike. Weld the metal, prime, 2 part seam sealer and paint. It'll last for years
@adollarshort15734 жыл бұрын
I wish some real,honest man(woman)-of the-people, scientist,engineer type would make a video saying something and showing why this stuff works or why it's just a big hoax money-grab. Someone not on the take from a big paint cooperation like a politician...
@Mikefngarage4 жыл бұрын
lots of stuff to sell out there. gotta think things through not just follow the norm.
@fredjones12385 жыл бұрын
agreed
@johnadona30149 ай бұрын
The car scene is way over thought in every aspect these days lol