Why Makita isn't Making it? DIY Extreme Capacity Makita 18V 9Ah Battery

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DIY a high-energy Makita 18V battery for heavy-duty power tools.
It's hard to understand why Makita isn't making such capacity batteries in their lineup when they are making high-power demanding cordless tools. All other well-known cordless power tools manufacturers are doing this for years already, like Dewal, Milwaukee, Ryobi, Bosch, and so on.
So in this video is my 18V 9Ah battery version for Makita cordless tools.
Links for battery case kits:
Battery case for 9h battery with compact board: shorturl.at/dyLPV
Battery case for 9h battery with balancing board: shorturl.at/ertNX
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@kravchan Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! It was beautiful and a pleasure to watch 🥳🥳🥳

@sartoriraphaelr 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing work. Very instructive. Congratulations.

@MCsCreations 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic work, dude! 😃 Those kits are fantastic indeed! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@viorsa8200 2 жыл бұрын

Excelente tutorial maestro , un trabajo impecable , gracias por compartir sus conocimientos , un saludo cordial y por supuesto un gran like desde Narón (Galicia) 🔝

@capeman10 Жыл бұрын

thank you for sharing. This was a very interesting and informative video.

@kevinansell9341 4 ай бұрын

Appreciate the Video as this will appeal to us DIY folks

@fredericstol4144 2 жыл бұрын

I've just replaced in an cheap battery tool (HS) the cell with some with more Ah capacity, and it works well. Thank you for letting me know that diy battery kit exists

@9111logic 6 ай бұрын

Excellent thank you for sharing🙏 I will buid one myself as `I already have all the necessary tools for welding them.

@georgelewisray Жыл бұрын

VERY Well Done !!! thanks

@antonisdubify Жыл бұрын

hey great work! can you maybe give us some info about where to get the DIY kit so that we can give it a try

@genepeters1529 4 ай бұрын

Nice work.

@Beakerzor 2 жыл бұрын

thank you!!!

@gibhandyman Жыл бұрын

Hello, where can I buy a pack like I know? I already have the batteries but I can't find a pack like that with the motherboard

@zockfreund Жыл бұрын

I need a 3Ah battery with only 5 Zells. Like the BL1815 or BL1820. That will be perfekt for Drills and the head Jacket.

@LEARNER4LIFE1 Жыл бұрын

hi bro can you tell me gauge of wire you used for + - and the small ones ?

@julianceballos8795 2 жыл бұрын

I also agree. I think Makita should make batteries that are like 9ah since they would last a long time and run their cells cooler. I think I will try and take on a project like this with the packs that I currently have when they go bad. Would you consider making a video on 21700 batteries in the future? Thank you for all the videos that you have made.

@riskinhos Жыл бұрын

no that's stupid. not only 21700 wouldn't fit there's no kits for them. 18650 are fine.

@sigmaoctantis_nz 6 ай бұрын

@@riskinhos There is... I bought 2 of them. 21700 are a nice upgrade actually.

@cyber8000 2 ай бұрын

Makita wouldn't do such a thing as it would make all of their 36v tools as powerful if not more powerful than their new 40v line

@outtadebox1877 Жыл бұрын

I've made a couple of these and I have a hard time getting them into the charger. Any ideas?

@marcstaedelin2686 Жыл бұрын

Very well done! What spot welder do you use?

@JunaidKhan-ub4es 2 жыл бұрын

Good

@mattstewart6015 2 жыл бұрын

Probably waiting to release a 21700 version

@ThyEyes 7 ай бұрын

can you make a bigger pack video for Makita BL1013 batteries?

@stinkycheese804 2 күн бұрын

No you can't connect them in series or even use individually to power anything besides the tools, because that protection board is only half the electronics to cut off the battery supply, the other half being the array of mosfets that are apparently in the tool but not present in your ride on toy.

@richardhaen 7 ай бұрын

Very good video, where can someone buy the setup u made? Tganks

@pareshgajjar6601 Жыл бұрын

From where I can get the 18v 3Ah Makita battery kit?

@chakireladraoui9331 2 жыл бұрын

Good Good Good

@ewijntuin 2 жыл бұрын

how about dewalt build or kits?

@zoltanberkes8559 Жыл бұрын

I think they don't make them because if you want a high power output tool, you can by an LXT 18V x2 (=36V), or an XGT 40V Max tool.

@josephneale10215 2 жыл бұрын

nice 👍👍👍👍👍👍

@ThyEyes 7 ай бұрын

and where is the heat controller on the battery pack??

@bobseguin2195 Жыл бұрын

Where do you get the kits?

@coolbugfacts1234 2 ай бұрын

I need to do this because I absolutely demolish 5.0 batteries because I have the 36v self propel mower, 36v power head with a tiller and string trimmer attachments, and leaf blower. I have 10 of the 5.0 batteries, and it's still barely enough, I have to throw my batteries straight onto the charger and I'd prefer to let them cool down to make them last longer.

@fanoslambrou Жыл бұрын

can you sell 2 of this and how much ?

@ebikebrasil Жыл бұрын

where did you buy this battery kit?

@drsquirrel00 4 ай бұрын

What spot welding kit do you use?

@Brian_Of_Melbourne 2 жыл бұрын

Where did the kit come from please? Which vendor and what search term?

@Beakerzor 2 жыл бұрын

yes please, I also would like a link!

@deejayitalo 2 жыл бұрын

Aliexpress but don't do this without the possibility to balance the cells.

@TheMark9013 2 жыл бұрын

Clean I wonder if your used top quality cellls whatever the highest mah cells they make and build it how badly could you beat the oem battery in a 3 mah or 5

@hullinstruments Жыл бұрын

Although battery technology is incredible and has really advanced a lot in the last few decades... It isn't magic. It kind of has to obey the laws of physics... I'm not intimately familiar with their battery designs... But they may have legitimate reasons behind their design and choices of the individual cells. Capacity is important.... Arguably even more important are the discharge characteristics. Especially in such a powerful tool. It's very possible that sells they have chosen...Might not have the biggest capacity.... But were needed because of their high discharge rate and characteristics under stress And the cells with the biggest capacity wouldn't be capable of discharging as quickly or enduring the same amount of output power. A balance has to be struck. Because each end user is different and will have different patterns and habits in how they use the tools. For somebody drilling holes or tightening fasteners every few minutes... High discharge currents are more important. However, For someone only using it a few times a day... I could understand why high-capacity would be more valued. But they had to strike a balance.

@neodymelanthanide2101 11 ай бұрын

I've searched what is available on the market and I confirm last answer. Generally speaking, the more capacity 18650 cells have, the less max current they get. Makita cells are samsung INR18650 25R (or 20R for lower capacity batteries). They provide 2.5Ah capacity and 22A max continuous current output (even more in spike). I assume you can't get lower max current if you want your tools to work properly. The biggest capacity available within 18650 shape with at least 22A max current is 3.12Ah. So you won't beat by much the oem ones (specialy considering the cost). The pros with 4s3p rather than 4s2p is that battery's current is 3 times the current of 1 cell (rather than twice). So you'll be able to buy cells with lower max current specs but with higher capacity (or just lower price). The cons is that it's big, heavy, and might be too much for some people. Also a fun fact is that it costs ~40€ for 4Ah and if you build it yourself it will cost the same price (without all the brand's support and guaranty). So there is noway you'll find better price/quality. Actually I've bought a chinese one labelled as 6Ah, and I've opened it... It was marked as 2Ah samsung cells. So it was actually the same as makita's 4Ah batteries but with a chinese label and... more expensive

@vintilis1 6 ай бұрын

This 18650, is litokala ?

@gilsonfelix3415 9 ай бұрын

Got curious, description says 18V, but forwarding the video you say 21V, can I use it in 18V impact wrench? Sorry if the question is stupid, but I know nothing about electronics and electrical.

@wally7856 9 ай бұрын

The voltage varies with charge on lithium batteries. These 5 cells in series packs are ~ 20 volts fully charged, 18 volts average voltage throughout their capacity, and ~ 16 volts fully discharged. Give or take a bit so that's where he got 21v from - brand new cells so he got a 1v bump for now. All lithium cells follow this with individual cells 4 v charged, 3.6 nominal, 3.2 v discharged. So when DeWalt says their packs are 20v max compared to other brands saying 18v (nominal) they are all the same packs. DeWalt just tries to fool the consumer by measuring their packs voltage right off the charger where everybody else measures the average voltage over the whole cycle. There is no difference. So yes you can use this on a 18v tool as the factory batteries follow the same voltage curve as these.

@fitosferenc 2 жыл бұрын

replacing the 6V or 12V battery in kid toys, is gonna be interesting

@dcolb121 2 жыл бұрын

Why do people add music to videos that don't need music?

@riskinhos Жыл бұрын

makita also does a 18V LXT Lithium‑Ion Compact 2.0Ah Battery which takes 5 18650 cells which weights just 458grams. makita uses samsung INR 18650 2500mah batteries. so if you put 3500mah 18650 inside you can get 40% more battery time. and that's actually the power that double the size and weight batteries have. it's insane.

@AdrianAxinte 6 ай бұрын

have you tried it? what batteries with 3500mah did you use?

@riskinhos 6 ай бұрын

@@AdrianAxinte I did one with 3400mah cells. they work great. works with any 18650. it's not rocket science. it's really simple tbh. almost plug and play

@stinkycheese804 2 күн бұрын

@@riskinhos Not quite, if the replacement cells are not rated for as much current as those you replaced. If they aren't, it will cause performance loss and wear out the cells prematurely. If you used off-brand cells, then they were likely to start out with no more capacity to begin with and only drop from there. There is this reason why tool manufacturers generally don't use more than 2500mAh 18650 cells, sometimes state of the art cells can get you 3000mAh, but always moving up to 21700 or pouch cells to get higher than that.

@djfernando16 2 ай бұрын

ok, but WHERE do you buy original cells? They're quite expensive

@georgedavall9449 3 ай бұрын

Wow

@tim62744 5 ай бұрын

But the batteries are 3 e or more per battery 10 for post that’s 40 e before case and nickel

@phuang3 7 ай бұрын

You should buy a better BMS module. Just few dollars more, you got cell monitoring and balancing features which are essential for safety.

@AdrianAxinte 6 ай бұрын

whats wrong with this one? can you provide a link with a better module?

@efdawahfan 4 ай бұрын

Cell monitoring on powertools ? Lmao and the balancings are always passive for these not actives

@efdawahfan 4 ай бұрын

@@AdrianAxintethis bms doesnt use all connections thats what he means

@stinkycheese804 2 күн бұрын

@@efdawahfan Doesn't matter if passive, just that it has the balancing/cutoff.

@stinkycheese804 2 күн бұрын

Sort of, depends on if there is space in the battery pack because it needs to have the half-BMS that is already there to communicate with the tool, which a generic BMS will not.

@boblordylordyhowie 22 күн бұрын

Great info, how about doing a Ryobi? I have Nicads that are gone and I was thinking of using the case for a broken Li-ion battery I have, would it work?

@stinkycheese804 2 күн бұрын

It's not worth the bother. Ryobi batteries are very economically priced, and also already come in capacities of 9Ah. Besides, Ryobi puts the entire BMS in the battery and the type of kit he used, is not an entire BMS placed in the battery, as some manufacturers leave the cutoff function under control of the tool itself.

@georgepahountis5814 2 жыл бұрын

no balancing=not safe

@konstantine381 Жыл бұрын

What would you use to balance the batteries?

@kravchan Жыл бұрын

@@konstantine381 5S 21v balance board should do, with proper BMS board of course.

@Keepmywifesnameoutyafucknmouth Жыл бұрын

Touch me brah. I’ll be 10 minutes.

@nelchan2421 8 ай бұрын

00:44 maybe makita don't like to abuse their power tools

@deejayitalo 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately this build will not last very long. Batteries have to be top balanced and protected by a BMS that controls the voltage of each series cell. And a passive balancing would be good. This pcb don't protect each cell and does not balance. I did this some years ago not knowing how to really work with li ion and unfortunately i destroyed about 11 Sony vtc6 after about 20 cycles.

@AdrianAxinte 6 ай бұрын

there are better bms modules for makita with compatibility?

@sigmaoctantis_nz 6 ай бұрын

Makita should also make 21700 battery packs. I got a couple of kits for them off Aliexpress. If I populated it with Molicel P45B cells, then I'll have a 9Ah 90 amp pack with just 10 cells.

@kastasjonas 2 жыл бұрын

What is the final cost of this 9,0 Ah battery? P. S. Makita has 6,0 Ah in its lineup.

@pete_lind 2 жыл бұрын

Backpack battery holder PDC01 (i paid a bit over €400) and you have 24 Ah (room for 4 x 6 Ah in the device , there is space to carry extra batteries on the harness) and PDC1200 has 33,5 Ah , its pricy , round €1200 and takes long time to charge . Metabo did put out statement why they only have 2 rows of cell in their batteries ... middle row is only heating up the other cells ... Metabo has 10 Ah battery , with only 2 rows of cells ... if there just would be an adaptor to get Metabo batteries to Makita .

@billykulim5202 Жыл бұрын

rather than 18650 x3 parallel, its not better using 26650 cell? more ah, more compact and less weight for sure

@marinekong235 6 ай бұрын

2 simple reasons - fire and explosion risks

@hullinstruments Жыл бұрын

There are also a lot of restrictions on power density limits when transporting or shipping batteries. I know of multiple instances where companies had to choose a lower capacity or certain characteristics... So that they could ship pallets of batteries easier without going over the limits imposed by the shipping companies. Lithium ion batteries have been suspected for multiple airplane fires mid-flight... Uspostal and many other companies have hard limits on what is allowed.

@TheycallmeMrWonka Ай бұрын

@@hullinstrumentsI don't have much to say other than no. They don't because they want folks using XGT. All that you've written is just rationalising for a company. They could and should offer higher capacity.

@stinkycheese804 2 күн бұрын

While that is true, remember that since he is putting 3 series in parallel, then only pulling roughly 1/3rd the current from each series, so he has a bit of breathing room as long as quality cells were chosen. For example if the originals were rated for 25A, and the replacements 10A, (x3 series) he has enough current capacity.

@chris_mk5supra Жыл бұрын

wait, the bms only know one string voltage? if yes this is fucking mad dangerous

@willpulera7303 8 ай бұрын

I bought that 9AH battery off Amazon and it only lasted a month

@rosielynbalao4635 Жыл бұрын

Link of the product

@possisvideos Жыл бұрын

no balancer? forget it…

@w19ely85 10 ай бұрын

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

@toddshreve 6 ай бұрын

Answer: XGT

@csranuic Ай бұрын

If you want to replace your entire kit then yeah

@toddshreve Ай бұрын

@@csranuic I am just answering the question posed in the video title, "Why isn't Makita making it?". And the answer is because they want you to buy XGT.

@John-eq8cu 7 ай бұрын

Because it's too big, and you can esily switch out another battery, that's why.

@TheycallmeMrWonka Ай бұрын

Complete nonsense. I'll decide if a battery is too big (which it isn't). If you have a very intensive job then switching out/recharging battery's on a cycle is a nuisance. I don't get people like you, you're some kind of Makita fanboy. They don't make them so that people use XGT. Simple as that. Having larger capacity battery's makes perfect sense for consumers to have the option. It makes NO sense for you to justify for Makita why they should offer more options to consumers.

@stinkycheese804 2 күн бұрын

@@TheycallmeMrWonka No it's really dumb to design for 15 cells in a pack with 3 series instead of just making the tool 36V and halving the current consumption. If you have a "really intensive" job, then you would prefer a 36V tool as it is going to usually have higher output performance. IMO, more of a nuisance to want a cordless tool for the portability, but not have a 3lb brick attached to the bottom, also for portability. I can easily shove a spare battery in my tool belt.

@willpulera7303 8 ай бұрын

Makita 5AH batteries last longer than these so called 9AH Chinese batteries.