Ханю 8 месяц назад сделал 4А

@@aray2588 He did not succeed

@@aray2588 Do you mean the one at the Olympics that was under rotated and that he fell on?

Why u people always make Hanyu relevant in every video which is not about him?

@@paulluk7515 Bruh, why are you concentrating on Hanyu when OP mentioned 4 names???

@@pennyinheaven Three to be exact as this video is all about Malinin. Hanyu is the only male skater mentioned and don't pretend u didn't know why.

@@paulluk7515 "The axel is my favorite jump." The OP is about axel and the skaters who did axels the way OP likes. So stop bitching and making it just about Hanyu. Ffs. Fans are bad but haters are worse.

@@paulluk7515 you are supposed to take the pills daily

De acuerdo 👍 Hanyu pertenece a la historia moderna del patinaje artístico varonil. Hanyu está en el podio de los grandes del siglo 21, junto con Yagudin y Pluschenko.

Отличный комментарий. Юдзуру-величайший фигурист. Он Легенда фигурного катания. Я видела его один раз и это невозможно забыть!!!

Isabella concuerda con todos ustedes

Насколько я помню, первому на соревнованиях засчитали Ханю.

Ханю 8 месяц назад уже сделал 4А

^ THIS! His 4T looks like a 3T 😭 Id bet that he’ll become the first and possibly only person in the world to land a quint.

@@yugiohlegend claro, está subrotado, no es un 4A de manual

hes just new. He has been pretty consistent but as a new skater you will typically be shaky

Not only his jumps he also needs to work on his skating skills

Lot's people said they like ISU increases the BV for 4A - imo, 12.5 is good and don't let GOE go above 1. (remain what it is now is good enough). Why? 1) ISU let go the pre-rotation - I don't want to be specific to Ilia (he slide about 90 degree after he skated forward). Today many skaters pre-rotate in 3A. The definition of Axel jump is "take off left forward outside edge". The reason why Axel jump is hardest jump is it taking off "forward" (before taking off, skaters need to skate forward) on left leg, while the skaters need to do forward rotation on their right leg - these are all done without the help of toe-pick. Increase BV may let a lot cheating jumps become valid. Now allow 90 degree of pre-rotation already deviate from original Axel jump definition. It's actual not that hard if we allow pre-rotate. (Try your both leg - both leg have speed toward forward is harder, compare to turn 90 degree of your body then jump). Besides pre-rotate 90 degree may introduce some other force - like centrifugal force. ISU need to do some investigation before doing anything further to promote this jump. Don't distort original idea/value of Axel jump. 2) 4A is really extra. Skaters need to focus on stabilize other basic jumps - don't count on landing a 4A as a short cut to gain big advantage by sacrifice their basic jump quality.

@@keigotakami1741 definitely

@@huiyinglu4514 he mainly did it to accomplish a historic feat

Радует то, что мужское Русское имя будет вписано в историю покорения квадов. Причем самого сложного прыжка. Мужчины покоряли квады 34 года. Если провести параллель, то женщины покорят 4А в в 2036 году.

Technique and age has got to do with it. Malinin started early which is a great strategy! And he went straight and then did a back entry, which is the best technique to get 4A. Hanyu does it a bit different because he has his own style but he'll get it in his own time. Just proud of Malinin. He'll be able to polish his as he continues to perform it in competitions.

@@pennyinheaven : could you explain what's back entry? Hanyu followed the classic Axel jump definition: take off left forward outside edge. His left foot skates "forward" toward outside (his right foot followed) to take off (his left foot did not skate toward outside too much before leaving the ice), his right foot forward rotate almost the same time. I see lots top skater skate 3A (including Nathan Chen, Kamila, Mao Asada) that way. To be honest, Ilia's jump confused me a lot: when he skate forward (his right foot follow) with his hands down, he continue to slide left (or outside) about 90 degree, then his left foot hold off (or skid??? or simply reduce the speed), timestamp: 0:47. His right foot lift high, give a power kick/or forward rotate. His left foot just stretch up and rotate. Timestamp: 0:48. He does not look like follow the Axel jump definition: take off left forward outside edge since there is no "forward"/or "outside" force, there is only "upward" force to lift up his left foot. Besides above, turning 90 degree may introduce other force like centrifugal force. This will be different than take off forward.

So? Stop starting with " Yuzuru " bla bla bla... Don't express your inner thoughts under other people's 4A videos, disrespect Malinin, he is the protagonist of today, what purpose do you keep mentioning other skaters?

No need to feel sad for Hanyu. He has responded positively in a recent TV live stream. He has a big heart and brilliant! 😊😊

@@wujen8718 I watched a video a few weeks back - it's about Yuzuru explained how he did his 4A in Beijing Olympic. Not sure we are talking about the same video. In that video, he mentioned his left foot left the ice less than 45 degree away from the straight forward. He also talked about take off angle like 90 degree. Besides, there are pictures showing his continuous motions on the ice. He talked about when took off, his left toe-pick touch the ice etc. I didn't quite get why he specifically mentioned toe-pick. I watched quite a few Axel jump video (in slow motion mode). I think I understand a little bit more about that edge jump.

De acuerdo con todo

Hai ragione Yuzuru ha dato tanto nel pattinaggio non deve più dimostrare niente.È un professionista non è più in competizione

@@corinnewegher6357 He never had anything to prove, that's why I thought it was unwise for him to keep trying to land the 4A on his weak, chronically injured ankle. I would think that he would come to the conclusion that it's not worth it.

The 3Lz+3A was clean!

@@trylogic4084 I was shocked that it’s possible 🙀🙀 the first ever well done combination . For me it’s like 4A

It’s a very small challenger event without a lot of big names. There was a crowd on one side but it’s never many people.

I bet people are regretting not buying tickets now 😒

"Это другое"(((

I have yet to find someone with the level of artistry he has 😢

He’s himself and Hanyu is Hanyu, incomparable

@@joy5605 ofc there is only one of Hanyu in the world and there will never be another like him, its just they just give a similar vibe of success little bit.

@@DamlaFazla I don’t think they’re similar only because that ilia’s a young talent and Yuzu was also one back then, neleri benzio ki

@@joy5605 ok

Estoy de acuerdo, ya no se ve artistico, se esta perdiendo la esencia del patinage, se llama "patinage artistico" pero ahora es una especie de gimnasia sobre hielo muy aburrida.

The approach Ilia used is different from Hanyu. Today ISU allows pre-rotate for jumps. Hanyu's Axel jump (3A or 4A) starts like: left foot skate forward (right foot follow behind) toward outside then took off (his left foot leave the ice quite early - he skate less than 45 degree before leave ice). His right foot do a forward rotation almost the same time. It seems he has some forwarding speed (velocity) on his left foot while his right foot did forward rotation. His right foot is not easy to jump high if he has forwarding speed on his left foot. In Ilia's case: his left foot skate forward (his right foot follow behind), then his left foot skate to the left (or outside) about 90 degree. Then looks like his left foot hold off (skid???, or just reduce the speed). His right foot gave a power kick/forward rotation. When he lift up his right foot for forward rotation, his left foot does not seem to have much forwarding speed. He may jump higher this way. His left foot then stretched up and took off with upward force (timestamp: 048). But at the meanwhile, his jump did not look like follow the Axel jump definition "take off left forward outside edge". (because he has skated toward left/outside for 90 degree then hold off). Besides above, turning 90 degree may introduce other force like centrifugal force. This will be different than take off forward.

Don't keep referring to other skaters under Malinin's videos, disrespectful.

@@huiyinglu4514 que detestable actitud de algunas personas que odian leer la verdad, antes del 2010 con Hanyu entrando a categoría senior, nadie saltaba en las pistas de hielo algo más que un 2A... llega él con su cabrerío y superadotación de talento para patinar y saltar limpiamente y ahora parece detestable hasta mencionar que no es un 4A de manual. Nadie lo ha hecho, y jóvenes promesas como Ylia han habido todos los tiempos, quiero ver como responde su cuerpo ante la primer lesión. Su Majestad puede ser mencionada cada que se le requiera, si no es un salto de manual de patinaje no es válido, así de simple.

@@huiyinglu4514 kzfaq.info22boT66U72g?feature=share тебе врун я каждый раз буду кидать 4акселя Ханю с преротейшеном 90+ градусов

He already spent 27y of his life ruining his health especially his ankles, one or two more years trying 4A definitely won’t make a difference. It’s up to him if he wants achieve his 4A, it’s his body, his mind and his decision. As he has a full career behind him he’s not as fresh as a 17yo but it’s not what’s gonna stop him. He’s already a legend and he has nothing to prove anymore, that’s especially why he has nothing to lose anymore.

@@Moons_dreams5050 ханю легенда... Без акселя.... А с акселем его еще надо догнать по артистизму и красоте

Completely agree, can you believe they are comparing a retired veteran skater to a skater who is just making his senior debut? They really leave a lot to be desired as a fandom

@@Moons_dreams5050 well, that’s actually why he’s still trying! He has nothing more to achieve, nothing more to prove so hes still trying, solely for himself

@@maouimaisnon2535 Today's protagonist is Malinin not Hanyu, don't mention other skaters under his video, disrespect. If you want to praise Yuzuru, go to his own video, not here. very annoying. Every time his fans want others to focus on him🤷‍♂️

There's a lot of work to be done but the guy is on the right path

For real! 😂 I'm a casual fs fan so was quite surprised when suddenly news of Ilia's 4A broke out with very minimum footage and (for me) such a sudden time. I read that many thought he was going to debut it in a bigger competition that will be held in a few weeks (where there will be more audience & media coverage) but then already did it here. I don't know much about this reasoning nor Ilia personally as a skater himself, but could it be to avoid the pressure from being watched by a lot of audience both on site amd online? If so, I totally understand and applaud him for deciding it where then he really did could perform the jump flawlessly.

😂對，已不是花式滑冰

@@i_love_yuzu0214 我不是羽生粉了哦!我早已变♥️了

@@lilingo8752 我只是認同你說 是冰上跳躍比賽 跟羽生沒有關係哦

@@i_love_yuzu0214 谢谢你😄

No atxutxes tanto! Te olvidas de que solo tiene 17 años?

@@Motshidi No sé que significa "atxutxes", solo usted lo sabe... Por otra parte en el actual patinaje artístico varonil, se observa un alto nivel técnico y competitivo. Hay jóvenes Patinadores que a partir de los 17 años hacían 3 quads (Kagiyama) o 5 quads (Chen) y ahora Malinin de 17 años puede hacer un 4A. Mostrando un alto nivel técnico. Y también vemos un nivel competitivo en competencias internacionales por parte de estos jóvenes... Chen a los 18 años ganó en el 2017 4Cc. Kagiyama que a sus 17 años logro el Bronce en 4Cc el 2020 y a sus 18 años la plata en el mundial 2021 y en las Olimpiadas 2022. Cómo ve... tener 17 o 18 no fue un impedimento para que otros Patinadores varones compitan a gran nivel.

@@Catalina_Estevez Con su edad, Ilia también puede competir a un gran nivel. Por otra parte, sigo el patinaje desde los 7 años. Conozco bien los logros de l@s patinador@s.

@@Motshidi Malinin ya está compitiendo y esforzándose por estar a gran nivel con sus 17 años, al igual que lo estuvieron en su momento Chen y Kagiyama a sus 17 años.... Por lo tanto si en eso estamos de acuerdo...por qué usted se queja de que Malinin tiene solo 17 años? Mi comentario se enfoco en: - Querer que Malinin pusiera el 4A en competencias internacionales A de la ISU. - Que Malinin no solo se concentrará en el 4A, que también trabajé otros elementos de su patinaje. Si usted sigue el patinaje sabrá que la edad no es impedimento para obtener grandes logros a nivel de competencia o récords personales en el patinaje tanto en varones como en damas.

@@Catalina_Estevez Pero qué tontería! No retuerzas mis palabras Yo no me quejo de que tenga 17 primaveras, todo lo contrario. Mi comentario es de admiración hacia èl y de que a su edad tiene tiempo para progresar y dominar la parte técnica y la artística.

no.

Ilia is a new star. But as Brian Oser said, he is still a boy on ice. What's the final score he got in this event? He seems to fall in the short program. I hope he spend sometime to stabilize all of his jumps. Way to go! People will call him GOAT after he got 1 or 2 Olympic GOLD medal!

@@huiyinglu4514 он уже по качеству обошел 2кратного чемпиона с грязными прокатами

Его тренирует отец.

*Zhou The judges blatantly inflated Zhou’s score at nationals by about 25 points just to place him ahead of Brown so he’d be safe.

@@DeepSeas.. no, Zhou deserved to be there. He had quads in long and short. Iirc, Brown had one quad in the long and fell on it. There is no comparison. Zhou worked very hard to be in the best shape he could be for the Olympics and clearly deserved his spot. He got robbed out of competing by what was likely a false positive COVID test. Idk why people defend Brown so heavily. He just does not have the technical skills to make the podium internationally. The spot would have been better spent on Malinin to give him some Olympic experience to lead into the next games (and possibly a medal). There was no point in sending Brown when he had zero chance at a medal. Also, nationals scores are always a little inflated compared to international scores. Perhaps you can supply an apt comparison of Zhou's performances that shows he got an extra 20 point compared to what he received elsewhere for a comparable performance? I felt like Brown was really propped up because they wanted an excuse to send him. He was 13 points behind Malinin. Never medaled at World's. His best international showing is a silver at Four Continents in 2020. Not exactly an achievement. Zhou has 2 World bronze medals. Idk how you can argue that Zhou should have stayed home instead of Brown.