Wow as a flooring guy of 15 years that trick on how to tie the carpet was brilliant! I always used strap tape or duct tape and I'll be using your tip in the future! Thanks
@inspiringbuilds3 жыл бұрын
Great job Wes! A lot of people underestimate how heavy carpet and pad is. I usually cut mine in 3’ strips to make it manageable to carry out by myself. Super simple install only needing a speed square, tape measure, and box cutter! 👊🏼
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
yep, its can be a heavy. especially if it has years of crap in it. thats for watching
@clydalehilson1272 жыл бұрын
Video was good however you went from applying glue then being half way down with laying the floor? No info on how to start with the glue already down
@350zmurray2 жыл бұрын
OMG that's what I'm thinking!!! He's replied to a lot the questions im shocked how far I had to go to find yours haha
@helenmarsh-sj8kn4 ай бұрын
how did you get started laying the planks on the glue? Where did you begin so that you weren't stepping on the sticky glue? Your flooring came out looking great, by the way!
@litasheward6822 Жыл бұрын
I wish you would have shown how you started to install the first ones. Very good explanation though! Thanks
@dc6233 Жыл бұрын
Great job OP!! Note how he did this with no baseboard installed, leaves for a much better floor!! I cannot stand vinyl or lino that curls up at the baseboard. Each time you sweep your floor, dirt gets under the edged, over time it lifts more and more and more. If you can remove your baseboard and undercut your door trim, always do so!!
@Alakay774 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your expertise. You've helped me lay down flooring in my tiny house!
@OSheaWoodworks3 жыл бұрын
Nice! I especially like the tip for tying your carpet roll.
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jesse!
@drew31842 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best effing tutorials I’ve seen.
@christofix3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Wes. I had no idea these carpet knives existed. Also, the trick to tie a roll is great! I learned something new thanks to you, my friend! BTW, your kids are adorable!
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It’s a knife a lot of people don’t own.
@jefferywarburton2116 Жыл бұрын
They work great for drywall too. you can make a straight cut easy bend away from the cut and slice through the other side easy just keep the blade clean.
@charlesjohnson72224 ай бұрын
Those k Ive are deadly, be careful.
@joelayton40542 жыл бұрын
High five for bringing the kids, I too have to combat floor laying with kids lol, thanks for letting us know it is doable 🥳🥳
@thejanelleallen Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. My flooring guy ghosted me so I’m going to do the job myself. Your video made me feel confident that I can do this!
@charlesjohnson72224 ай бұрын
Classic contractor move - they ghost like crazy.
@BodynHome2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I agree 200% with random joints, siding, flooring and pavers I always do this. I really like your trick for the rip row at the end! But damn does your back and knees not kill you kneeling on concrete with out knee pads! I made that mistake in my younger days and I pay for it now. If anyone reads this, save your back and spring for some knee pads!
@jjf60911 ай бұрын
Agree with other commenter, your tying trick is brilliant. They don't teach that in college.
@cpckids12889 ай бұрын
Do you need to leave expansion gaps against the walls on glue down vinyl plank?
@karltravelstoabiquiuandoth491411 ай бұрын
How difficult is it to remove a glue down floor, and does the old glue come up easily?
@litasheward6822 Жыл бұрын
How do I know if concrete is even enough to install, how thick do you apply the glue and how did you install the first planks without stepping on the glue?
@markbeaves46 Жыл бұрын
I would suggest to skim coat the entire area. This helps encapsulate any residue or any type of chemical reaction between adhesives.
@crptsrvcs Жыл бұрын
A must or will there will be problems
@markbeaves46 Жыл бұрын
Why risk it? Not hard to do,inexpensive insurance compared to a failure...
@crptsrvcs Жыл бұрын
Yes, I added an extra”will” making it sound like a question. I learned a hard lesson 35 yrs ago installing sheet vinyl over black cutback adhesive. Turned out bad😧
@marcopoulin1897 Жыл бұрын
I do that everytime i use proliterapide set
@priscillahorton746 Жыл бұрын
Skim coat with what ? And are u taking about after u place down the planks or before ?
@anthonybartkoski867127 күн бұрын
So how do I tie into existing hallway plank glue down vinyl. I’m pulling up a carpet bedroom & I found more of the preexisting vinyl. I wish to blend & get rid of the threshold line. Thanks Tony
@MsCcarter212 жыл бұрын
How would you install over tile? (The home we are buying has asbestos tile so we don’t want to ripe it out.
@4Hiroshi7 Жыл бұрын
How much glue do you typically use per sq ft? In other words if I do a 240sqft floor are we looking at around 1 gallon?
@davidrounds324511 ай бұрын
Have you ever had issues with shrinkage due to expansion and contraction? Glue coming loose? Watched a video where the homeowner had that problem. 1/4" underlay? Cement board?
@bruceey032 жыл бұрын
What's the benefit of going with glue down laminate vs snap in? Pardon my ignorance. :)
@charlesjohnson72224 ай бұрын
I have 2mm commercial grade/25 yr warranty LVP for my slab on grade ranch house. In my bathroom I will have electric radiant heat imbedded in my self-leveling concrete. We won’t be using it to heat the room, just to warm the floor, so the temp will be relatively low like 65-70°. Can this glue be installed in such an application, or should I use something specific.
@spudsmckenzie2853 Жыл бұрын
Like the carpet trick.
@bif90210 Жыл бұрын
I guess in the beginning you had to walk on the glue a bit. Is that correct?
@WesHamstra Жыл бұрын
No. I snapped a chalk line that I was able to reach from the door way. I did not film that part because it was very difficult to get that on camera.
@CAPTAINCADAVER222 жыл бұрын
Why do you need an underlayment if putting on wood floor? What are steps when doing on wood floor? Thanks
@priscillahorton746 Жыл бұрын
Below ur comment, he answered this question. He said glue down vinyl on a wood surface requires an approved 1/4in underlayment. I heard it works well on any surface. But according to him it needs underlayment. Do as u will to ur satisfaction. 😊
@a.f.g.h.s8261 Жыл бұрын
Bro…that glue down carpet is so easy to take up WHY ARE THE SINIOR LIVING GLUE DOWN CARPET SUCH A PAIN
@loganhoskins47523 ай бұрын
Do you have to use a trial if I’m doing the under lay?
@DallasHVac2 жыл бұрын
Gotta make those two helpers working lol
@swfswf50 Жыл бұрын
Nice, clear explanation.
@NatePolmateer3 жыл бұрын
What a great video Wes! I took the effort of watching through all the commercials lol. One of them was 4 mins haha. Keep up the good work! 😀
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I should eliminate a few. I just let KZfaq put them where they want
@dzynryt2 жыл бұрын
How careful do you have to be on glue while laying plank ?, special souls or kneepads ?, how long do you have to lay floor , days or hours ?
@cwatson427852 жыл бұрын
You won't be on the glue at all so you don't need to worry about working on the floor ontop of the glue. Also usually the working time is within the day for the glue. Usually most of these glues say on them just spread what you will be able to install that day.
@sapelesteve3 жыл бұрын
Terrific work Wes! You did that just like a pro!! 😉😉👍👍😂😂
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
glad it looked that way!
@kadiemlewis58204 ай бұрын
Hey can you install this over preexisting tile?
@okbrandon2 жыл бұрын
What causes these floors to have huge gaps a couple years later? These exact floors were installed in my new home, Mannington Audra Vinyl Planks. I ended up with huge gaps (quarter inch) then they lifted. It was a disaster. I had them completely replaced/warranted, and again the same issue happened. Now I’m stuck with this mess.
@heathershayne82752 жыл бұрын
Yikes! I'm getting ready to install Mannington glue down planks. I sure hope this doesn't happen. Did you ever figure out what's causing this? I'm installing upstairs so I have to put a 1/4" underlayment down prior to install. What area of the US are you in? I'm in STL. Thank you.
@HonchoBobbyD Жыл бұрын
It's been a minute since you asked but if I had to take an educated guess I would say the glue might have been put on to thick, it hadn't fully flashed off before the vinyl was placed and/or you might have a moisture issue with your subfloor. Good luck!
@maggielopez247710 ай бұрын
Much useful information 👍
@jjf60911 ай бұрын
So is it ok to walk on the glue to start the installing process? You mentioned that the glue is really sticky
@C2IT678 Жыл бұрын
So no need to leave a gap from the wall for any expansion like a floating floor correct?
@RobertWadlingtonDIY9 ай бұрын
Can you install glue down over kitchen wood flooring?
@bridgettriegerix49803 ай бұрын
What flooring did you use? I have been everywhere looking for direct glue vinyl planks and nobody has anything! I am about to do a huge open 2,000ft basement. Everything is click! Thanks!
@WesHamstra3 ай бұрын
Any flooring store would carry it. If you are shopping the big box stores… they would only have click.
@bridgettriegerix49802 ай бұрын
@@WesHamstra What flooring did you use in this video?
@joshuawormington28802 жыл бұрын
The first half of the plank install was not in the video...can you walk on the dry transparent glue even though it’s really sticky? Kinda confused on the part....
@HonchoBobbyD Жыл бұрын
Do NOT do that, he laid it from the chalk line by the doorway so he wouldn't be stepping on the glue. If it's your first time I recommend laying the glue in pieces. For example back right of room put your glue down and lay your plank, back left put your glue down lay plank and so on. Just make sure you've done your measurements beforehand and are laying the planks accordingly.
@weirdonextdoor164 Жыл бұрын
great job thanks for sharing......PS love the kids to funny...
@TheKs12242 жыл бұрын
Hey Wes! You mentioned at the end that if you’re doing this on wood instead of concrete- you need an underlayment. Do you have one you suggest? Everything else I read just says to put it right onto the subfloor…. Thanks!
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
Glue down vinyl plank must be installed over an approved 1/4 plywood for vinyl floors.
@venegasenmerida63072 жыл бұрын
I put a floor like this over my concrete slab on my first floor and I don't reccomend it feels very Hard to walk on & in the winter (dallas tx) cold radiates from the floor in to the livin space. You definitely need an underlayment unless those two things don't bother you.
@frankbrooker65692 жыл бұрын
Board or at least latex coat
@tdc61882 жыл бұрын
Any idea on the durability of these how glue down vinyl planks? Great video, makes it seem worth redoing my small living/kitchen area all in this material. Or is it not recommended for high traffic areas? Can I glue right on existing laminate flooring/kitchen tile???
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
The durability is pretty good. Any floor can scratch. With a glue down, repairs are easier to make then a click.
@pearlperlitavenegas20232 жыл бұрын
The floor feels really hard on concrete do you recommend an underlayment appropriate for gluedown to soften it?
@cwatson427852 жыл бұрын
This is how all glue down lvt is but some have a built in padding that helps provide a cushion. You could also go with a click lock floating elv (engineered luxury vinyl) that has a nice padding or cork underneath.
@rtzstvn Жыл бұрын
great video!!
@retired40frmcryp577 сағат бұрын
Always roll with the grain
@s1337m Жыл бұрын
My troweling didn't go as smoothly as yours lol. I have some excess glue in some spots. Any problems I should look out for in the future?
@HonchoBobbyD Жыл бұрын
When you say laying them randomly are you doing a book or are you referring to not lining the seams up?
@loriengelhart973 Жыл бұрын
I have another flooring that is the same thickness going into a bathruoom that will butt up against the vinyl planks. Do you recommend having a full plank centered in the doorway and woriking from there? How many pieces do you end up cutting to make it random or do you try to use mostly the full plank?
@user-ty2uz4gb7v Жыл бұрын
Does the gluing prevent contract, expansion? Would glue down lvp allow me to put cabinets directly on the planks?
@mikedixon87412 жыл бұрын
I was afraid of trying to do this job myself, but how you explained what you are doing makes me think I can do it myself. I did notice you left out one tool in your description of what was needed to do this. I'm an old fat guy, so I'm gonna need knee pads! What I didn't know about this job until the very end of your video is the need for an underlayment when doing an install over a wood subfloor. Why is that necessary and where do you find the right product? I remember years ago helping my brother install a Pergo laminate in his house and there was a sound deadening barrier we put down first. Is the barrier I would need similar, and does the barrier get glued down too? Great video by the way!
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
The underlayment is just 1/4" plywood that gets stapled down. You then need to use floor patch on all the joints.
@hannahwildner10932 жыл бұрын
@@WesHamstra my subfloor is 3/4 plywood, do I still need another underlayment?
@louisreyes5129 Жыл бұрын
What is the name of that flooring you installed and wear can I get it, thanks
@hannahwildner10932 жыл бұрын
i'm doing a 2nd floot bathroom with lvp with click lock, no cork padding. I plan to glue it down, not float it. Do I need to staple down 1/4" plywood you suggested? So use foor patch on the seams?
@johnseltzer7735 Жыл бұрын
I completely messed up my glue down vinyl flooring. I had to stop and I'm getting new carpet again. I never did this before, but trust me it's a mess .
@artenisdhjaku81713 жыл бұрын
good job men. nice and simple.
@inspiringbuilds3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Super simple install only needing a speed square, tape measure, and box cutter! If you don’t have them all of these tools are really affordable.
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
thanks. It is super simple to install
@kennyvegas8552 жыл бұрын
good job, done well bro
@edmc7553 жыл бұрын
GOOD JOB WES < KEEP THEM COMING 👍👍👍👍🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
@inspiringbuilds3 жыл бұрын
Agreed 💯! It’s awesome inspiring others in other countries as well! 👍🏼
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
thanks. I have a few in the pipe.
@sbod19656 ай бұрын
I am in a rental, and I pulled up the carpet cuz it was soaked in urine for god knows how long. Anyway, I located some glue down planks at a habitat for humanity store for like $9.95 per box covers 36 sf, i need around 6 or 7 boxes: Luxury Vinyl Plank Flooring Coverage Per Box: 36 sq ft Plank Size: 6" x 48" Thickness: 2mm Wear Layer: 12 mil Installation: Glue-Down Get an unbeatable deal on new LVP! Minor defects affect a small percentage, with occasional slight warping. Most planks are fully usable. So with that said, I already pulled up the nasty carpet with gross padding, OMG, it was GROSS!, I removed all of the carpet tack strips, swept the concrete and vacuumed it as well. Concrete is a little crumbly and dusty, so I feel I should put down a underlayment?? If I do that, does it need to be glued down as well? I am sure the planks have no layers in them at all. I did chat with the manufacturer, and asked if they are pet/waterproof, and apparently they are. I am doing this in the DL, so that my property manager doesn't know I am doing it. BUT carpet is disgusting, and when you live in a rental, i feel that whomever lived there before me, is living in the carpets. It's the only room that is not planked and it will be much easier to keep clean with 2 dogs. SO......Underlayment??? yes or no??
@WesHamstra6 ай бұрын
No underlayment on concrete. You would need to skim coat with floor patch. May take multiple coats to get to a smooth surface. Then install the plank directly to that.
@tdperformance157 Жыл бұрын
Did you walk on the glue. You skipped that part.
@kungfuluver9925 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I have just pulled up some old Lino from a concrete floor. Turns out it was painted underneath. I have used a wire brush on grinder to clear as much of the flaky paint and old glue but some old paint remains. Will that vinyl glue hold or am I going to have to get someone diamond grind the surface to remove 100% of the old paint
@s1337m Жыл бұрын
What did you do?
@kungfuluver9925 Жыл бұрын
@@s1337m I ended up using a penetrating sealer and then a high water resistant glue (had possible rising damp) and it has turned out a treat
@HeavyChevy3 жыл бұрын
Nice job!
@inspiringbuilds3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! Super simple install only needing a speed square, tape measure, and box cutter! 👍🏼
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@5BSoutdoors Жыл бұрын
What would you recommend for an underlayment on a wood floor?
@WesHamstra Жыл бұрын
Use a 1/4” plywood that is meant to be used as vinyl flooring underlayment. Staple down with 7/8” 18g staples. Staple every 1 1/2 around the edges and ever 6” in the middle. Then patch all the joints with a portland base floor patch. You can use the same patch I used in this video.
@jackfisher727410 ай бұрын
HI Wes... can you use that Ardex to fill in the expansion joints you would see on a concrete floor?
@WesHamstra10 ай бұрын
yes, I use this all the time to do just that
@jackfisher727410 ай бұрын
@@WesHamstra excellent! Thank you 😊
@jonathanbell93492 ай бұрын
Should have went to college so you could have 50 grand in student debt and work at Mcdonalds lol. Trust me, you made the right choice.
@WesHamstra2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I agree. It’s just a saying I have. I love the flooring trade. It never gets boring. Always a different place with different people. It also allowed me to buy my first house when I was 21 while all my other friends were racking up student debt.
@markwilson49692 жыл бұрын
What about installing over title or ceramic floor?
@Brick_dont_hit_back2 жыл бұрын
Can you laid them in bathroom wood floor ?and not glue them ?
@bif90210 Жыл бұрын
Did you use the wall for reference when creating chalk line?
@WesHamstra Жыл бұрын
Yes, measure your room to determine the size you need to start with so you don’t end up with a sliver at the end.
@yuriyfitak69422 жыл бұрын
Hey Wes I'm about to lay some 12x24 vinyl 12mm tile in kitchen. The tile already has underlayment attached to it like it's part of the tile. So to have a even transition to hardwood I'm gluing it to sub floor so I don't a have a transition moulding. Any tips or advice? Thank you so much in advance
@galaxi4072 жыл бұрын
Is okay to glue down in small sections? I'm have a kitchen with heavy appliances that I cannot move out fully so will have to work around them.
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
Yep. That’s perfectly fine. I do that all the time for that same reason.
@yangzomanddojo1267 Жыл бұрын
News to me to use underlay on wood floor
@Wordsnwood3 жыл бұрын
What is the chalk line for? are you lining up the first row against that rather than the wall?
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Walls in general are never perfectly straight. I always reference off a chalk line. I do the same when I install hardwood.
@wesleycooley90202 жыл бұрын
Wes! It’s Wes! Hey, feel silly asking this BUT… Do you need to leave any kind of expansion joint on the outer edges with a glue down lvp? I would assume not but I’m also not a professional! Thanks! Great video!
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
You don’t need to on a glue down
@pektal2 жыл бұрын
Hi Wes, if I install glue down vinyl on concrete stairs, does it work on vertical parts as well, and how do I make it flat since couldn't use the kind of roller you make it all even and flat with? Thanks in advance!😊
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
It works great for vertical surfaces. For steps I use a small telescoping handle three section roller. Put lots of pressure on it when you roll
@pektal2 жыл бұрын
@@WesHamstra Thank you Sir!
@bodyshotjake74752 жыл бұрын
Can this stuff be put in a 4 season home in Minnesota? Will the expansion/contraction be an issue?
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
should be fine along as the room is kept at a constant temperature and humidity level
@jppirr1031 Жыл бұрын
No chalk lines ?? To start out ??
@zebas_-7611 Жыл бұрын
Is the tool you use better than using a trial? Just wondering
@Grrrnthumb Жыл бұрын
I think you mean trowel? That actually is a flat trowel he uses, it just doesn't have the typical offset handle. Flat ones are a little harder on the wrist and slower if you are doing huge jobs, but they're cheaper, and as you can see not too much slower at all for average jobs. The most important thing is get the very exact notch recommended by the manufacturers (both notch depth & notch width), and not using a worn-down trowel.
@davidrounds324511 ай бұрын
@@Grrrnthumb or laying the trowel over and flattening out the required depth.
@AbersonPlastering2 жыл бұрын
Hi can I use the same exact system except I would be installing over laminate flooring?
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
No! Don’t do that. You must remove the laminate
@AbersonPlastering2 жыл бұрын
@@WesHamstra why not?
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
Laminate flooring expands and contracts a lot more then glue down vinyl plank. It will result in your floor buckling.
@moehoward013 жыл бұрын
One would almost think you've done this before...
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
Yeah...... vinyl plank has become very popular. I do at least 1-2 vinyl plank jobs a week.
@lilidiaz4863 жыл бұрын
Great
@gamerlife3817 Жыл бұрын
Can this flooring be glued down to OSB plywood?
@coreyjames5775 Жыл бұрын
I did it and it turned out fine just patch the joints
@jujitsou2 жыл бұрын
wish i saw you video before installing mine with wet glue 🤦♂️
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
Oh man. That sucks. It should be ok. You will just have lots of glue to clean up from what squeezed out from the joints
@norasantaclara635 Жыл бұрын
What happens if the glue isn't holding down the seems
@HonchoBobbyD Жыл бұрын
Your glue may not be the correct ratio and/or it needs rolled more. Good luck!
@kevinpoquette99162 ай бұрын
Even if guy went to collage you might be doing the same dam thing lol
@WesHamstra2 ай бұрын
Haha. That’s true. Doing this or working at McDonald’s
@juliethomas18113 жыл бұрын
What vinyl plank are you using?
@jarrod1991 Жыл бұрын
If your a layer yourself you would know the roller squeaks 😂
@MichaelHamstra3 жыл бұрын
Nice, barely reconize my old room.
@Wordsnwood3 жыл бұрын
That paint colour, what were you thinking!
@WesHamstra3 жыл бұрын
The nature seen wall paper is gone. It’s now pink! (Paige picked out the colour)
@dzynryt2 жыл бұрын
Cut then start by kneeling on laid floor ... WTF , explain how you walked on the glue to do first section ????
@charlesjohnson72224 ай бұрын
It’s not in his video, but I installed commercially for a short time. The chalk like is the starting row. You lay a few along the line just inside the doorway. Then add more planks as you work your way into the room, crawling on the new planks as you go.
@philsketball Жыл бұрын
So you cut your Planks on top of your already laid down floor and so you probably have Cuts all over that new floor
@indo30522 жыл бұрын
Why do you need to install a quarter inch underlayment over subfloor? Why can’t you just go straight to the subfloor
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
In most cases your subfloor is not stable enough or smooth enough
@dawncreasey54302 жыл бұрын
I had lowes installation, of this, the guys put the glue way too thick in some places and too thin in others, I now have flooring that looks like it has the mumps. They refuse to fix it. United Home Services is the the installation company that Lowes uses. DO NOT USE THEM. They REFUSE to admit its glue. Brand new luon was instatlled over the sub floor before laying the glue. I see how even your glue is. Mine was NOT even. I also see you waited 2 hours, they did not wait at all. Horrible job, now my entire downstairs is covered in this flooring that I HATE to even look at.
@indo30522 жыл бұрын
@@dawncreasey5430 the trowel that is ghe handheld metal tool that evenly puts down the glue allows you to evenly put down same amount of glue everywhere. I also waited 30min aprox before lying down vinyl.
@indo30522 жыл бұрын
@@dawncreasey5430 You have to wait for the glue to dry at least 30 minutes. My instructions said to wait at least 20 minutes and up to four hours. You have to let the glue dry at least 20 to 30 minutes , or else it wont be right. Sounds like somebody laid your floor and they don’t know what they’re doing. I’m not even an expert but I know how to do basic work and my vinyl glue down came out perfect
@indo30522 жыл бұрын
@@dawncreasey5430 With the trowel, and you actually using it right it allows you to put the same amount of glue everywhere. Putting more than the trowel allows or less is no good
@emilyfield302511 ай бұрын
How is this helpful?!!!!! You don’t even show how you started. Pointless
@davidrounds324511 ай бұрын
How many times does he need to answer that question. Go back to the top and read all the comments until you find that answer.
@daz10182 жыл бұрын
That whole floor should be self level screeded before you do anything…wtf?
@WesHamstra2 жыл бұрын
no it shouldn't.
@maxb.69742 жыл бұрын
I know right! he didn't leave any room for expansion around walls either. What kind of effin tutorial is this?
@350zmurray2 жыл бұрын
@@maxb.6974 what expansion are you talking about?
@marcopoulin1897 Жыл бұрын
Dont need its not ceramic floor skim floor thats it
@JohnRichards-hh5dz9 ай бұрын
Sorry buddy random crap cuts don't make it look better, it makes you not know what you're doing.