Realizing that I don't need to flick with front foot was the actual moment I learned how to treflip. Great vid bro

For me, it's different. I started to learn them once I started to flick forward towards the nose. A thing that I noticed, you have your back foot in the pocket. I have the back foot further back. I think it depends how one learns them. Some people, like you, don't use the front foot at all and some, like me, use it very much. Interesting video. Thank you.

The analytical approaches to skateboarding are absolutely mesmerizing. You need way more appreciation, amazing work!

holy shit this is actually the best tutorial for tre flips. everyone talks about the scoop but I haven't seen anyone explain the tension on the truck that assists with the kickflip rotation. Thank you

The front foot doesn’t “not flick” it does flick and it’s purpose is to guide the tre flip for sure, but it also creates lift like an ollie. I can tre flip with my front foot in heelflip position because I understand how the Backfoot is supposed to work. If I tre flip like that though, it’s low af and almost touched the floor. When you use your front foot you can fling the board up higher. Say you wanna tre flip nose slide or down a set or over something, that front foot is gonna fling your tre flip UP and help you catch them instead of falling down with the board like a lot of ‘ lazy’ tre flips look like

Great video, I really like your analytical approach to the physics behind skateboarding. your video style plus the effort that goes into making these videos will pay off bigtime if things continue as they are

I want to say I've always used my front foot for my tre flips but this video really helped me understand the physics behind it when you don't use the front flip. I think I might try this to see how I like them. Thanks man!

Some of us do them SLIGHTLY differently. Especially those of us (healthy and in shape) 40+-year-olds. My take: Most of you (younger) do more of a pressure flip technique that requires you to jump way out in front of where you pop from/to the toe side because that's where your board goes when you scoop so much from the pocket, while others (usually older) pop more straight up and down and have a delayed scoop with a little more toe pressure (than the super pocketed scoop) on the front foot. We still have to jump a little in front of where we pop, but nothing as exaggerated as the more common technique mentioned in this video. Our back foot tends to be up on the tail more than in the pocket. IMO: There's much to love about both techniques and either can be more appealing than the other, depending on whos doing'em. Doing them the "old way" is definitely harder than the super scooped pressure method and there's more of a chance of clicking your heels together trying the "old way", but when you get'em they typically (but not necessarily) feel and look better.

I learned tre flips in 2008 and they evolved over time. The first years, I actually flicked to the nose. That was somewhat consistent but looked crappy and the landing was rarely perfect. Then, since lets say 2016, I took the front foot out of the equation, it did nothing at all and I just popped it as hard as I could. They looked really great and usually the landing was clean and perfect. I could also do them down stairs now. However... success rate wasn't that good. 50% of the time I'd just land a 360 pop shovit with a half flip, upside-down. Or primo. Then, finally, a year ago I changed my technique again. It's perfect now. Almost always a perfect landing and I don't really fail them anymore, I do 9/10 perfect. What I do is that I pop it strongly, don't flick to the nose but a little little bit late towards the heelflip direction AFTER the board has turned a 180 shovit already. At least that is what it feels like. Works extremely good for me for some reason. Idk if anyone else does that.

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Technically if your using your back foot in the pocket as more of your scoop and flip technique then it’s more of a pressure 360 flip. If you use your back foot more on your toes to pop and then your front foot to slide up and out you then do the Ollie 360 flip. This is going back to the 80s for me but over all these years it has evolved into both techniques together because the pressure of the back really makes it easier but I think popping and slide flick is more rare and better style.

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If I see someone's front foot that sideways or close to the edge, its hard for me to not call it a pressureflip. All flips are pressure, but I do think there is always a "proper" and "improper" way to do skate tricks. To me a "proper" flick will always feel the most stylish and satisfying no matter what the feet actually do. It's more about the initial foot position that determines this ocd factor. This is my opinion don't come for me

This is just proof that MY front foot does not flick my board when I Treflip, which may or may not apply to your style. How do you Treflip?

Thank you for this video… as design engineer I considered long time ago try to simulate this kind of mechanical events in SolidWorks but it is not the right software for include the effects of the body weight as dynamic as required. Congrats for all your videos, really impressive!!!

Amazing video, love the demo...very in-depth!!

These videos are really good for people like me who dont learn stuff intuitively and need concrete explanations for how things work in order to do them.

Treflips have always been difficult trick for me. I have landed them before, but not a go-to trick for me. I'm going to try relearning, but with no front foot flick and see if it makes it easier. Ty for this video

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Thank you for this. I've tried to explain the front foot role before but people didn't get it. It's not flicking but it has to be there to load the trick up. I was lambasted for saying this on some other video.....probably didn't explain myself very well.

I think the force is stored in the board before the pop .You would put a lot of pressure before the pop,and when you lift your board with back foot,it will automatically go to your font foot ,then the board will flip

If you’re not ACTIVELY flicking, then your back foot is scooping the board and sending it in a direction that causes it to collide with the front foot and begin the flip. The front foot can be passive or active but either way it’s presence is needed to get the kickflip done. This was why it was very difficult for you to get the treflip after you cut your board. Even if it was a tiny bit, the toe on the front foot interacted with the scoop of the back foot to flip the board.

Would love to see a video on hardflips especially in terms of weight distribution and the catch. I think it’s a pretty unique trick in its mechanics and although I can pop them I’ve been having trouble staying over the board and landing it

Yeah I'm subscribing to this channel 🔥 it's always cool to see content that takes skateboarding analysis to this level. Hopefully this doesn't bother my tre flip though because I need my front foot for it thanks to my natural inclination to do tricks high even when I don't want to🙆🏾‍♂️

I want a video about the ollie explaining thouroughly as you do with this, its amazing stuff and probably would help a lot of skaters ! Thanks anyhow.

that was an amazing analysis

Fascinating! I have meet ppl who tre and say its all back foot. Im not sure if I do or not. Not really willing to dice up a board to find out. Keep up the awesome content!

interesting and unique demonstration

Amazing video!

Tre flip + 3-points basket in perfect sync! I can't be the only one seeing this.

Cool demonstration

My front foot is so trashed I can't Ollie... and I'm to old for switch. But you've convinced me I can learn this even with my gnarly foot.... thanks

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This is a great technique and I think more stylish than flicking the front foot. If you ever want to learn tre double flips though, it's probably best to start working out how to get that flick action.

Amazing video!!! Thank you so much!

i feel like the motion of the board causes it to naturally flick itself off your foot. if you use the bushings to flip then it’s technically a pressure flip

I tend to use my front foot to counter spring the board round before I pop and then I flick my front foot and flips the board over otherwise I land premo or upsidedown. I'm now wondering if I should relearn my tres this way (in the video). I can do them and land clean but it takes quite a bit of effort sometimes, I wonder if this would make things easier

Let me just try that out hehe ^^ super interesting and and well made video!

Front foot as a guide, or as I like to think about it, as an axis of your weight almost. Putting weight on your front foot and scooping with the back is what really helped me

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So a lot of us have really been doing pressure tre's all along 😁

You sir, are doing a pressure flip :)

Kelly Hart’s Fakie Tre Fakie manual at the courthouse definitely couldn’t happen with just scoop. Needs heavy pop with flick. check out Josh Kalis’ tre flips from back in the old days at LOVE park. one that he pops off a kicker block and over a trash can was the example of a perfect tre flip. Everyone’s body is different and that’s why there’s never 2 people who look exact same while on their board. Cheers! ✌️🤙

Very interesting!!

I'm trying to improve my treflip and be consistent with the trick and I'm trying to experiment different weight distribution, different foot position, jump height, line of sight, and how my shoulder had an effect to my treflip. Those 3D visual really does help me to imagine and analyze my errors to my tricks. Because of that, I was able to learn trick without frustration and confusion. Awesome work man! Looking forward to your next video (*^▽^*)

I also used to do Tre Flips just with my back foot. The problem is that you can't get any pop like that so I switched to do them the regular way.

Great idea

Everyone does them differently. Tre flips are my go to trick, but if I tried to do one without flipping it would just be a 3 shuv or a half rotation. There’s definitely some flick to a proper tre flip. Especially if you plan on popping it over anything

hi bro, nice videos u post, congrats for your job, its a really smart content!! I have some trouble generally everytime i flip at gaps, aways do something wrong when catching the board after it spins, could you explain the physics behind catching a flip in a gap? would be really gratful in figure out what am i doing wrong, thanks for the videos, its such a good stuff bro!!

Has anyone landed a pressure flip rotating 360 degrees under your feet and a kickflip also that also rotates 360 degrees? Did anyone feel the difference? I see both are called Treflip nowadays. P.S. Thanks for these videos. I do love them.

Ok I'm still a few months away feom trying the 360 flip but still this is a huge revelation

Thank you

Yea some people do tres more like a pressure with all back foot action Like you. Then some do it with more both. Think it all depends on how you learn them foot placement wise and preference.

Well yes it’s true that you don’t need to flick. However, the flick makes the tre flip look better as it helps with getting that front foot catch which looks steezy

Great vid

it really does look more like the front foot is where it is just to be able to get out of the way faster to let the board do it's thing after the rear scoop.

I’ve never thought about trying tre flips until now. I’ve always thought I needed a good kickflip. Now I might need to try based on this. Now I’m thinking when I rotate a pop shove it in a weird way that I might be on my way to a tre flip. 🤔

i like this video a lot

This could be said for kick flips as well, it just depends on how you do them.... Up the side, off the side or off the nose.

Can you do a treflip without the front foot, of course you can. A inward heel and a preasure flip are almost the same trick. Haha... A friend and I used to argue the front foot thing all the time. I argued the front foot is important part of the tre-flip and he would argue that it was all the back foot. While he was highly consistent with his tre-flips they weren't very high and he struggled to do them off launches, overs gaps, and down stairs. While I don't skate as much as I used to, I used to be pretty consistent with my tre flips, but just not as consistent as my friend. The thing I had over him though was I could do tre flips off launches, overs gaps, and down stairs. The front foot is what, as least for me, gives you the control of the board; it brings the board up to the feet and keeps the board under the feet. This is how I do them. I sit up just like I would for a pop shuv-it with my back foot slightly more off the edge of the tail. My big toe is still on the tail, but the other four toes are gripping the side of the tail. When I pop and scoop I scoop it almost like I'm trying to do a 270 pop shuv-it. When the board hits about the 45 degree rotation my front foot just does a kick flip, but I'm kicking straight foward or slightly in the direction that the nose is rotating in... As I'm finishing typing this I noticed a thumbnail off to the side "How To Tre Flip with Chris Cole. How he does tre flips at the end of the video is very close how I do mine. If you want more control. Learn them this way. Chris Cole video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bM6UnrinprvWhY0.html

4:08 this is why you are wrong about the front foot. If you do a scoop with just the backfoot, the rotation goes heelflip side. It's why a regular pressure flip goes inward heel flip direction. The timing of the release of weight and pressure from the front foot is essential to getting a tre flip going and flipping all the way. The more flick, the faster it usually flips too, but this depends on more factors.

nice idea

In a Game of skate you could throw a tee flip then throw a pressure tre. Similar but different tricks.

This doesn’t work for everyone I’ve been not using my front foot for 3 weeks and I can land but it’s always upside down or I do nearly a 540 shuv with barely any kickflip , (I’m scooping more frontward to not straight back) so your front foot does do a little bit of the trick, I’m sure some will get them without flicking but with me I need it as my back foot is doing all it can!! Love the video keep it up!!

Instant sub.

saw someone referring to it as a type of "pressure tre flip", but the pressure flip create an inward rotation, not an outward rotation/opposite rotation to the scoop. isn't it more like catching the side of the tail after scooping and flicking it? a back foot flick? it doesn't look like a pressure flip, because the pressure flips go inwards like inward heels, but this one rotates as a tre flip - exactly the opposite of an inward rotation. isn't that because he flick the tail with his back foot after scooping it? the idea of "pressure tre flip" is paradoxical, since pressure flips use the opposite type of rotation that tre flips do.

Did you graduate with a physics degree? Great explanation on center of mass and keeping weight on front foot and pressure release of back foot! It helped me consider where I should maintain my body weight so the board stays under. Thanks

One rule I learned about all tricks. One trick does all the work and the other foot gets the hell out the way.

I don’t have tres but I’ve listened to your explanation of the trucks and stuff and felt like it would work but then I got no results (I use hard bushings though); was just outside messing around and I took a note of something. I tend to have them not move away from me as do a 180 slowly and hit my shins. So I tried to lift my front wheels off the ground and then scoop/pop and it spun around a lot faster for me. And it seemed like it wanted to stay under me too. Hmmm, this must be examined further. Maybe it’s one of those mental things. Stuff beginners only see lol. Like for ollies I also have to mentally push my foot north in a straighter line than I want to or bring up the front leg faster than I want to, or when doing a kickflip I have to think of jumping upwards and bringing my feet along, or no-comply I push my leading foot in the direction it’s supposed to end up in rather than think ‘180’ even though that doesn’t matter for the board to make the trick…y’know? If this is a thing, it’s not possible to set up for an do before the pop. Because you have all your weight on the back of the board. You would have to make it happen as you’re popping. I know your front wheels always have to come up to pop anyway, but it seems noteworthy anyway because of the nature of the tre flip, I always think faster horizontal spin not big vertical pop. I will try to dedicate a little more time to this trick from now on. And report any findings here. (As long as they’re within the scope of this video’s theme)

Coool proof of the theory! Hope you never have to destroy a board to proof your theories again^^

What are the technical key differences between doing a tre flip vs varial kickflip? - could you do a video about this?

If you aren’t flicking with your tre flips then you don’t have good tre flips, the front foot contact is how you actually slide and get your treflips up, you can’t get that same control of pop if your front foot isn’t making contact

But there is many ways to do a trick.. I prefer putting my front foot almost in the middle of the board perpendicular to the axe and scoop smoothly with it to do a controlled tre flip with a nice rotation

i learnt them a week ago and started learning months ago with front foot flick, then i saw this skater called ellis frost who doesnt flick with them, so i tried it and thats when i actually landed treflip

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If you flick with your front foot, it takes much less time for the board to flip, but upsets the rotation. Kind of like doing a kickflip with an accidental rotation.

Always thought of this

Thank you! Thats a revelation to me!! I have a question about your animation: Why does the tail hit the ground 2 times? In real it isn't like that - always thought, your animated simulation is true to physics ... no offend, just wondering ... In case if it's not clear what I mean: in every simulation of 360 flips the tail first hit the ground in the scoop manner - but then, when the rotation starts, right after this "regular" contact to the ground the tail hits the ground a second time, so that the animated board seems to bounce. Is it a flaw? Thank you for everything and for answering my question! Love your vids!

make a video on slappy grinds

Maybe you can do one on tre flipping in a straight line without jumping forward! Ive never seen it, by pros eve.

I had learned no comply tre flips first so by the time of learning a tre I already knew that front foot is only a counter weight thing. Needless to say my tres are on lock now

Ellis frost does them best. He can do tres with feet in random positions because he does it all with his back foot. He basically pressure flips them.

This info is awesome, never imagined that the back truck made the board flip, not the front foot

that's interesting, the way I tre flip, i heavily use my front foot, ive tried it without using the fromt foot, but its way more difficult(for me at least)

So the truck has to be relatively loose to get the initial angle for the back foot?

I dont flick for small chill lazy ones on flat, if i want to pop them over or on to stuff it kinda needs it to gain that elevation in my experience

The toe of my shoe would get worn when I try flipped. I'm sure pressure tres are a thing. But a lot of people flick it

Your back foot is the pocket deep and is causing a pressure flip situation. Tre back foot position should be back on the edge and you should flick with your front foot. I flick with my front, but at this point it doesn't matter. I would only bet money that front foot flick with back foot at edge corner results in high popped and proper looking Tre flips. Pressure Flippy tres can get that lazy steezy look. Both have uses and are viable. I just think that if you need clear a 12 set you are not going to be able to do the pressure Tre. Your going to need the proper poppy catch Tre.

you do realize the reason that it didn’t cut through and it broke was because that particular tip is made for sanding not cutting

My shoes say otherwise

Idk man I think the flips look better if you flick them, I find that the best way to do them is by putting your back foot in the back of the pocket near the point of the tail with your toes pointing forward and then pop straight down so that the board stays under you and with the front foot flick straight forward softly

If you 360 flip with no front foot it WILL NOT COME UP TO MEET your feet. You can throw them all you want, but until you push it down and it SPRINGS UP AS YOU FLICK THE F*CK out of the front foot it will not POP upward and it spring UP TO your feet PROPERLY. Watch Josh Kalis do them and you will see what I mean about it "popping up" to your feet vs. worm burner ground spins. Same thing between being able to kickflip vs having a good kickflip. Nothing like catching a thigh high tre flip and just letting it float down as you stomp it. Some of us grew up with no internet and had to watch J Lee, Kalis, Jeremy Wray, Tim O Connor, and Rob Pluhowski tre flips to figure it out properly. THEY ALL HAVE PROPER, NO NYJAH STINK FOOT tre flips. Levi Brown and Kenny Reed always had crazy ones as well.

These are pressure tre flips hints the name "pressure" not a tre flip.

Yo can u do that video on doing kickflips "forward"?

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Pressure flip please

I pop more then pinch and use my front foot a lot

Music goes hard every time.

If you want to make your Tre Flips look good, with high pop and technical, you're going to be using a lot of your front foot for the flick.

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