Lilia stood by me when I was bad at League. I will stand by her when she is off-Meta. Fear the Deer.

Petition to make Vars say Lillia's W ability name.

Lillia was the first champ for me that felt good. I finally found someone who i wanted to play no matter the matchup no matter the meta. She can go top or mid or jungle and ive even carried as lillia support. I love this silly little deer so much and im glad no one plays her because i KNOW shes so annoying to fight.

My solution would be a damage reduction that affects champs already affected by her passive. She could take a certain percentage less damage from champs that are burning from her passive, that way she still needs to engage to be most effective, but her duelling gets stronger so when she re-engages she doesn't get blown up

As a main Lillia, with 150k mastery points, I must say that I appreciate that Lillia is not a common pick, so I can enjoy playing her and dominate with her better.

I still remembered how my Lilia got overshadowed by Yasuo 2.0 and didn’t get any cinematic !!!

I currently main Lillia and have been a Lillia OTP in the past. I can say with quite a lot of confidence that most of Lillia’s problems are solved by not going either full tank or full squishy. Going with a Riftmaker setup with Demonic embrace and tank items like Deadman’s is absolutely the best way to play her and completely solves her problem of being incredibly squishy by just brute forcing her to be tanky.

I still play her. I love her hit and run playstyle, speeding around the rift being uncatchable and still doing lots of damage. I love her voicelines and personality too. She’s just so fun for me lol

i have been playing lillia since her release, and i can say my favorite thing about playing her is that she DOES NOT have an abilitie to protect her, there is no magic button that will save your life, its just you and your move speed, this might sound bad, but it is so satisfying to dodge everything just by moving instead of using the "outplay button" that most skirmisher/assassin have, it makes me feel that I did an amazing play, not the champion. I have 3 tips for new lillia players that i think will make you enjoy the character a lot more: 1. try ignite instead of flash, i know it sounds like i am inting but hear me out, lillia doesn't have any immediate cc or damage that require flash, the only advantages that flash gives you is a 5 minute cooldown escape in the earlygame and easier 5 man ultimates in the late game. ignite allows you to get early kills thanks to the extra damage is basically like hitting an extra q, negates healing (there is a lot of healing right now), reveals enemies, and it has a lower cooldown, so trading your ignite for an enemy flash is always worth, also, it doesn't wake enemies up, so feel free to burn sleeping enemies. 2. stop forcing a 5 man ultimate, use your ult to assessinate 1 or 2 players and then go get some objectives, 5 man ultimates are super cool but it is not your only win condition, you can always just sleep one enemy carry, one shot him with your ignite, and then fight a 5v4, sleeping fewer people also has the advantage that it makes it easier for your team to focus one guy. 3. There is no "official" build, try different runes and items, some times dark harvest is good, sometimes conqueror is better, and sometimes predator is the best, try different stuff against different champions and see what works for you.

You should be aware that Lillia was specifically designed to be a niche champion, a pocket pick, played by only a few. She's basically hitting the expected mark. And as a jungler, she's not that low, too many of them have low pick rates

The most frustrating thing about playing lillia is when you hit a perfect ult but your support Janna just auto attacks the adc, right before your bonk goes off and they get away. I think it would be cool if lillia would get some kind of percent damage reduction the more stacks of her Q passive she has, what means that as long she is fighting and running around she is hard to kill but as soon as the movement speed wears off she would be back to being a squishy carry again.

I always felt like lilia's w was the most underwhelming part of her kit. A mini dash that kinda slows her down becuase it is so slow compared to her movespeed... If her w could act like a mini janna ult in the sense that everyone hit by the w also gets knocked back could be a way to make her more reliable

Draven Draven likes Lilia when she is in my games. When her BONK just decimates the skull of *zreal is really satisfying.

IMO, after the items changes in 2021 preseason, her core item (liandrys) no longer gave hp, making her way squishier than the other duelists, at the point that riot needed to gave her a passive sustain, since the new liandrys came, people just go with the standart lillia build (dark harvester + double mask) and expect it to work every single game, this champion is so versitile with the items she can build but no one seems to try new stuff and just complain about whatever counterplay her, if you're against a comp with 2 tanks with hard cc and an assassin that one shot you, what do you think liandrys is supposed to do? try to go conquer with Riftmaker + Fronzen heart and/or Spirit visage instead of complaining about dying without being able to move. if you're against 3 adcarrys/mages you can't even keep close to them to properly use liandrys, try running ludens and one shot'em before they kill you instead of complaining about being outranged.

They could make lillia’s E have a slight push back displacement so that it can interrupt dashes. That would make her a lot harder to get on top of During team fights and skirmishes especially by other high mobility champs. That would in turn make her feel less vulnerable without getting rid of any skill expression.

I basically onetrick lillia and agree with most of your statements in this video. She is a very niche champion and a very hard one to play, because messing up often means death because you are very squishy with the popular liandris build. Lillias lategame damage on full ap is insane, but you get killed with 2 auto attacks by an adc so she heavily relies on zhonyas and flash to be relevant. This is why a lot of challenger players and a part of the community, myself included, like to go another build wich fixes most of her weaknesses. Besides AP lillias damage scales really hard with abillity haste, because her relatively high base damage + the burn allow you to still deal a lot of damage if you just hit your q very often while staying alive. Conq + Riftmaker Frozen heart and spirit visage/cosmic drive make you very hard to kill an catch, while you dish out a lot of damage and cant get oneshot anymore, which makes your damage and sleep potentail a LOT more consistent. It still requires good kiting but it works really fawntastic and tankiness especially early in the game gets the job done and allows you to skirmish very long and snowball hard. If your fed get an mejais in there and deer lord, your unstoppable. In my opinion this is the way lillia is supposed to play right now and it just feels natural an nice. A part why this build is so much better is that the current ap items (as vars mentioned) arent as good for lillia. New demonics is really bad, liandries gives no tankiness and zhonyas as a basically must have second buy is extremely good for ult plays but delays a lot of your damage. Maybe if the items change her ap build will get better but as it is the true bruiser/tank build outshines it. If you are thinking about picking up lillia: do it! Nobody plays her because she is broken, but because she is extremely fun. I wouldnt be playing league as much anymore if she didnt exist. Zooming around the map, kiting enemys and getting clutch plays with your ult feels so satisfying, I almost always have fun playing her, even when we are losing. And her being unpopular is a big + for that, because you are almost never banned/contestet and many people dont know your damage. So good luck have fawn in your games!

For me the solution is all done Just add to her passive that she gains armor and magic resistance for each affected enemy And if only riot could give her back her movement speed at the beginning of the game I'd miss it I understood that it was a champion of endgame that people don't like to play against and it's sad (I don't count the number of times I got insulted playing lillia)

Lilia feels like a very extreme overcorrection of other high speed high tempo champs such as Hecarim and Kayn but like you mentioned, AP Bruiser itemization is utter dogwater. even before the item rework in S11 made things even worse like how Mordekaiser is still recovering from the lost of his combo of Liandry/Rylais/Protobelt and it’s a similar story for similar champs.

Honestly, I used to play Lillia religiously ever since her release. Sure i mostly used her in the top lane, but she was essentially the first champion that got me to transition into being able to handle myself in the jungle. Up to the point where I made her a fallback champ to play when I doubt myself or if I just wanna play around and have fun. I was initially kinda sad when her mini rework came around but at the end of the day, I enjoyed, and still do love using Lillia today. She's been fun and that's all I ask for in league, mainly because the first rule of league is that we're not allowed to have fun, period. it's either tryhard (which gets draining for me) or get your shit kicked in (self explanatory). If Lillia were to get any change though to improve her as a champ (presumably quality of life changes or just a small change), I'd commit that change to her base stats. Not give more AP or anything, but rather give her a bit more base health/armor/mr or tweak her growth per level. I personally think the former would be better as a change to the flat, base stat provides more stability without bulking her up too much. Might just be me though.

i love playing lillia and i love how no one plays her sadly her biggest counters are point and click abilities or right clicks because sadly they are undodgable even when you have 700 ms and to make her less squishy overall it would be great to give her extra armor and magic resist based on her movement speed .

I honestly find success with her, she's like the type of champions that seem like no one plays, but you meet that one main and they completely destroy the game. If anything, it's good that she isn't cause it means people may forget what she does. And remember, that movement speed of hers can be pretty oppressive if she gets it rolling. To be fair, demonic embrace used to give defensive stats, which is apart of her build, and then they for some reason decided to make it dmg only. It sucks cause another defensive item besides zhonyas was just what champions like her needed, the health-to-damage change on Demonic doesn't really help much if you don't have the health to really utilize it, it's only really effective on champions like Vlad who's passive literally does the same and gives him more health, or Mord who can go tank, naturally has scaling health, and can take the stats of tanks if he kills them in his ultimate.

Lillia is a kite melee mage that exists in a game with a crazy amount of engage and dashes. She was always doomed to fail unless her numbers were overtuned.

I’m no master of balance, but thematically, a passive where enemy champions hitting her makes them “sleepy” and lowers their attack speed would be cool, and would make it so that in teamfights you’d go out of your way to start attacking her last

AHH THE SOUNDTRACKS. gj vars on choosing these cool background music :)

Lillia is my pocket pick and i cant wait to see this video, keep up the great work vars, and cant wait for your ionia video

Also remember that Yone came out just 2 weeks later after her plus the animation to tease him released 2 days after her so I feel like that is why not too many people play her. She may be inconsistent but she was basically forgotten 2 days in since Yasuo 2.0 was being teased.

I still don't understand how you're not at 500k yet, your vids are so well put together/thought out it's on par with Nickyboi, or even Necrit. Well done as always man, praying for your success.

I would love to see an in-depth look at AP bruisers as a class. Tanky AP has always been my favorite archetype and I feel like it's always been really underserved by items.

I learned to play Jungle with her while she was offmeta at the beginning of season 11. She is and will be my main champion cause I really enjoy teaming up with her. Besides, I‘m focusing on being consistent with her and she carried me through my bad jungling. I will stand with her, despite it’s sometimes hard to have impact in the game with her.

Defensively speaking Ghosting is incredibly underrated. Adding Ghosting passively to her kit and adding the ability for her to dash a short range by recasting her R during the wind-up would change her playstyle a ton.

I honestly love Lillia’s kit. She was my first main and her kit really suits me. I’m not the biggest fan of being in the middle of a fight so hitting people and running away with the passive is just so fun

I can’t get mad while playing lillia. So i play lillia. “Time to out trot my awkwardness!”

As a Lillia main since her release, I already know everything that will be said in this video, yet I'm curious how you will describe that "rework" of hers

I never found any of these problems when I played lillia. I found her movements speed to be enough to keep her alive against enemies that can't cc you for a century and also I thought her damage was a lot more than enough to make up for her lack of defensive options even in the early game.

I think you could give her some sort of movespeed -> ap ratio so you feel less bad about buying things like FoN or DMP as tank options. She has enough damage in her kit, just no way to stick to people to apply it while not dying

My idea was to give Lillia magic resist and armour dependent on her speed. The more speed she has, the less tanky she is, the less speed the tanker. This would allow for a lot more versatile gameplay and usage of different items and more fun :)

Lillia has overtaken everyone in my champ pool as my go to jungler. Once you learn her limits and get a feel for spacing well for her Q she can be an absolute beast.

Lillia defensive tool is her movement speed. Giving her some kind of typical beefy defense would make her less punishing, but probably broken unless they gut her speed, which is the entire reason to play the champ

Really love your content man. Also editing is so good. I can listen to your voice for hours 😆. Keep up the good work

Maybe the more speed she has she gains armor and mr similar to hecarim but more defensive , they’d probably have to get rid of the heal and revert her passive nerf this could possibly work

When will the Evelynn video be released ? 🙂

2 years later and lillia is a soloqueue monster lmao

i might sound really dumb here, but what tool do you use to get the different angles of 3rd person/top down/first person league perspectives? i think they're so cool but haven't seen them very often

So much in depth knowledge I really like your videos!

I don’t think Lillia needs any adjustments, she’s in a really good spot right now. I think the biggest issue right now for her is going into meta champs like Viego, xin, and any other fighter that just closes the gap and tries to end the fight as fast as possible. Most ppl just go the default build of DH + double burn and expect to kill AD and AP champs which out range and burst her. Right now there’s not a lot of variation with lillia and her build which really just makes lillia look one dimensional despite her being able to build alternative items and do more if not the same amount of dmg in comparison to her default build. Bc of the liandry changes I build rylais 1st since it gives lillia even more power in 1v1s and early team fights. If the enemy team has alot of squishy high dmg champions build burst instead of DOT so that you have a chance. If the enemy team is full of front line champions which counter lillia build tank items like dead man’s and force of nature so that you can go into a fight and survive. The truth is ppl are to afraid to experiment Bc of how toxic this game can be and because of that things as simple as item optimization is made difficult due to anything different from her default items being “troll”

They killed her for me with the rework

to answer the question at the end, a good escape tool would be to be able to blink over to wherever the seed lands. that way it can be used short distance quickly and long distance would take more time

I think it would be interesting if Lilia would gain resistances based on the amount of enemy champions burning with her passive. This will likely help with her not getting one shot when she manages to do something like a flash q on 5 people.

My suggestion: W should do more than just damage. It's coded as a dash, so make it a slow dash. Go over small walls, maybe. As for survivability ..... armor/mr as well has hp regen from enemies affected by P would be nice.

My guess is bc she is too reliant on the team to not fuck up her plau

if you wanted to go the route of something similar to hecarim, you could increase the range of her Q and W based on movement speed up to a cap, so the faster she is the more range she has to kite with to let her dip in and out of attack range

Defensive tool: Damage reduction, MR, and Armor for each person affected by Dream Laden Boughs. So, it's a defensive tool similar to Leona W, but instead of being an activated ability it depends on you affecting enemies with your passive.

I feel like a way to tackle her squishiness would be to make it so that for every enemy champ affected be dream dust, lillia gains like 5% bonus armor/MR

Me: *who plays Lillia top whenever I see an immobile fighter* hehe

They could include an effect in her passiv that enemies that have been damaged by it for an extended period of time get tired and lose between 10% and 30 % MS for as long as her passiv is on them. Additionally or instead, it could say that they deal substantial less damaged to Lilia the longer they have been damaged by her passiv and the cap scales with her R. e g. We reduce her range to Melee so that she synergies better with Conquer and Demonics. Her new Passiv would apply itself up to 10 times on the enemy instead of once. It deals now 1%/1.5%/2% Max health Magic damage per stack, reduces the damage enemies deal to her by 1%/3%/5% per stack and slows them by 1%/2%/3% per stack, scaling with her R rank.

I love the Ori score so much. Fitting for a Lillia related video.

Minirework made her boring and low skill cap. Heavy damage items arent needed as she has damage to kill every squishy after ulting in a matter of seconds, im a bit out of touch with league but when i played she just built riftmaker and conq which makes her immortal if ahead. The healing made her as tanky as tanks so shes far easier and the ms reduction takes a lot of fun away removing insane speed and damage for tankynes making her a more of a extended fights fighter then hit'n run super speed nuke bomb with insane TF. Coming back to why I think shes easier, theres no need to explain why resistant/tank champions are easier then the heavy damage ones, that is obvious. Ult sleep duration nerf deleted her combos, for example u could do something like: Q > R > Zhonya > (target still asleep) W > Q if an assasin jumps on u (10:07 that was a counter for those), and the teamfights have far less potential. As lowering difficulty is not a bad thing, i think that reducing satisfaction from combos and fun, original play style to a regular fighter in exchange for lowering difficulty just for low elo is sorta frustrating. That being said i am aware that my opinion is very arguable, maybe i was delusional the whole time i honestly like that thought

Maybe give her a ~20% damage reduction while casting Q So it’s more skillful than just a shield

How broken would it be to add something like jaxs evation or teemos blinding or dmg reduction when others have the seed effect that triggers her ultimate? Or just getting a shield plus movement speed with her Q

As my fav champ, I must say that something simple is more than enough to make her better at survivability, since in my opinion a good E is already an effective defensive tool if used right. I would add something like a knock-back on the contrary direction to where you cast your W. Like a knock back from her jump, a push with her legs or something like that, which would allow her to escape heavy engages from an enemy melee champ, and at the same time making W even more of an interesting hability, in the sense of having to learn to keep it for an offensive strike with crit or a getaway tool, depending on the situation. I hope I explained myself. In any case, I think she is so fun to play when you get a hang of her rhythm . Good vid, keep it up!

Maybe a health regen passive that scales with how fast she’s moving

Say the name of the W Vars. *SAY IT.*

a dash would be nice, deer are prone to dash away like crazy after hearing a branch get stepped on

Thought occurs: does the tank tear item work w/ slows on rylai's?

I would give her a passive called "Blessing of the Woods", her resistences (armor and mr) will rise with the movement speed, so she would survive a little longer in a group of enemies

Lillia is fair, that's the problem

Fixing Lillia's vulnerability seems really difficult but I think a small quality of life thing would be to make it so she constantly heals health after casting her ult which ramps based on how many people are affected and ends soon after they all wake up since, in her lore, she's putting people to sleep to heal her mother tree so I think it would be thematic

HOLY HELL is that Ori ost in the background? I love you Vars

The thing I enjoy about Lillia is how easy she is to kill. It makes every moment playing her intense. So I don't want to see her become tanky. I would add tenacity and slow resisit to her stacks. (Just emphasizes her skittish nature) And change her ult to a short stun where they take extra damage instead of a sleep. (Makes it less team relient)

Why make this video? Everyone will play my one trick now :(

Maybe as you get movement speed stack with her Q , you could also had some mr and armor stack aswell. I'm not sure if it would be too much, maybe it would depend on the numbers.

I like the use of the Sorrow Pass music from Ori and the Blind Forest. Ori and Lillia actually have a lot in common

Lillia is my OTP. She is so fun, I wish people realized how good she is

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Out of the newer Champs that you listed Lillia is my favorite. I rarely play her on SR. But I like getting her for ARAM or URF. Lots of fun there.

Rek'Sai and Lilia are my favourite junglers. Both super fun to play ♥

When taking about melee AP champions, you forgot about our boy, Singed!

Hmm about her defensive tool, a passive that will increase her aa range on evey ability or aa hit to a set range and for limited fime feels like a cool passive that has never been interduced. Feels perfect for her play style.

is the background music from one of the ori games?

Whoever did the sound design on this, well done.

Anyone know what music he used for this video?

i've been enjoying tank conqueror lillia with rift maker and frozen heart ! it makes her so much tankier while still being super fast once you get cosmic. the conqueror passive has helped me survive bad matchups in the early game from the damage/healing alone, and with the new buffs coming to her passive healing i can see it being a very good build :3

You could turn her W into a get-off-me tool. Give it a targeting reticle like the last hit on Aatrox Q where the center deals full damage but the edge deals reduced damage with some knockback. It would give her just enough space to land a multi-hit q and use the ms to get out.

i say the defencive buff she needs is some form of speed to armor/magic resist, like a 2 bonus speed to 1 armor + 1 magic resist. it gives her bulk while able to still build ap. this allows her to take stuff like deadmans, cosmic drive, lich bane, ext. cause of the bonus movement speed

Give her some resistances based off bonus movement speed. Doesnt have to be alot but it would ensentivise the weaving in and out style as well as make her less squishy.

So I am watching this very late, but I mained Lillia in season 12. I like your analysis, and I have a crazy idea that I wanted to put in writing. I think that there are 2 things riot should do. 1. bring her base speed and early speed scaling back up, to give her back that early game movement speed advantage. As of right now, it is there, but not significant enough for me not to rush tier1 boots anyways. It really hampers her identity and makes her too vulnerable early game as she can't even run away properly. 2. and this is the crazy one - make her w a conditional cleanse. Hear me out, the w already goes through slows (i.e. if you are slowed, your w will still move with normal speed) but what if you make it so that every 3rd w its a cleanse from everything but knockups? Or its a cleanse ONLY when you are full speed stacks. Something like that. This does a couple of things: it feeds into her identity as a slippery semi-squish champ, gives her a defensive tool against stuns and roots aside from her movement speed, but also doesn't make her overpowered by giving her the same bruiser capabilities as hekarim or red kayn with insane AP ratios. (Don't nerf her damage thats one of the main trade offs with her and i would almost ask to boost it back up a bit at this time.) I think this would solve her problems, give her some marketability as a "champ with an easy-ish cleanse" without adding something to her kit that completely derails her playstyle.

Rift maker and dead mans plate build does slap hard though

A bit late but the build I have the most success with currently is liandry’s into demonic into full tank. Allows you to have decent dmg with the triple burn and building health with the demonic give you enough damage to be a threat

Would having her w be more effective as a dash also work somehow as a defensive tool? A quicker animation and/or higher range could do a lot.

I'd give her like a Samira wind wall that also has the Janna ult property of pushing people away. It would only last for 0.5, seconds or something else short, have like a 20 second cool down, and would only push people 250 units away or so. But it would be perfect for people that get right on top of her, so she could push them away right into the sweet spot range of her giant spin. I'd also lower the activation of her ult sleep. maybe down to like 1 or even 0.75 seconds.

I’m not a Lillia main so idk if this would work but what if she had some minor hp-scaling via ap kinda like Vlad? It’d help with the squishiness problem while not necessarily having to give her a shield for survivability.

I think something like Grave's blind mechanic would work well for Lillia, since it could act as her dream dust, putting opponents in a haze or something like that. Have it be the same window for her sleep, but have it linger for a bit so that she has a chance to move away. Only caveat being that she needs to meet the same condition as for her ult.

I think If her w made a hole in the ground that slowed and shortened the distance of movement abilities that would help her a good bit and be an interesting mechanic that doesn’t exist yet, not stopping movement but making it less effective, like GW but for dashes.

I was thinking in making her blooming blows a counter ability against basic attacks and maybe stuns in that way she can go close, hit and rum .

A bit of a tangent, but the talk about skirmishers got me thinking about my experience with Sylas. I love everything about that character but I've never been successful with him outside of unranked, EVEN when he was more of a bruiser with that shield. Because higher level players were so good with him, he got nerfed to the ground on multiple occasions, making it even harder to be successful with him. I still keep practicing with him but it always leads to losing streaks causing me to take a long break lol. Even with all of this, he is considered a powerful "meta" threat because he is a dashy character with burst damage.

Suggestion for the end of the video. How about bonus %hp damage based on enemies afflicted by her passive?

You should totally make one about Wukong. He used to be all over the place, even got updated with minor tweaks, yet his playrate is below 3%.

It’s probably to late but I’d say add a slow or stun for the inner part of her q so it’ll do less damage for a stun or slow and more for offense on the outer ring. This would add skill expression into that ability with a dual use

Something like "i take 10% less dmg from champion affected by Dream Dust" could work imo. if not to all champ affected by the passive they could add a "sweet spot" even on the E, where if she lands it "mid air" (so when not rolling on the ground) she gets a armor/MR boost or something

I am appalled at how long it took me to realise Ori and the Blind Forest music was playing during the start of this