What Happened to True Detective

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@the_optics 2 ай бұрын

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@Ozgur72 3 ай бұрын

1st season was not a norm. It was an exception.

@Hard-R-Energy 3 ай бұрын

Sometimes you're just a One-Hit Wonder. If it applies to writing a song, it's gotta apply to writing shows or movies, too.

@IluzjaRecords 3 ай бұрын

Season 1 is masterpiece

@peterpeterson7665 2 ай бұрын

Season 1 - watched 20 times Season 2 - watched 3 times Season 3 - watched 1 time Season 4 - didnt bother

@ChrisHalliganLaw 2 ай бұрын

Season 1 was so deep and tight because the writers had all of the time in the world to create it. After that, they are under immense time pressure.

@underagreenstar 2 ай бұрын

In the first season the case matters. That's the difference. The case is deeply interwoven into the detective's personalities and worldviews. Throughout most of the first season the detectives are either dealing with or talking about the case and that shows the impact it has on them. In Night Country the case is just there as a backdrop for character studies. You could take the plot out of Night Country and replace it with any other true crime plot and the character arcs could remain exactly the same.

@conjandysecurity 2 ай бұрын

While season 1 was the greatest, The Woke took over season 4.

@SacredKaw 2 ай бұрын

Season 4 tried to tell too many character's stories. it was more like a soap opera than a murder mystery/police procedural. Then it teased an answer to the "spiral" symbol and then just brush it to the side with no explanation.

@shadesofgray5476 2 ай бұрын

I think the mythology was much more compelling in season one. The writer took mythologies from horror writers of the 19th century and made the fictions seem real enough that you'd want to look up the yellow king or carcosa, etc in Wikipedia to see if the cult really exists. In season four, the spiral symbol ended up being a practical warning about thin ice! The mythology and spirituality was deftly woven in all through season one.

@thegreenbaron6439 2 ай бұрын

Like band of brothers, should of been a mini series. The 8 hours that is season 1 is amazing

@sole__doubt 2 ай бұрын

I guess Im still season 2's biggest fan. Personally I just think the themes are over most peoples heads thats why people dont get it. You have to watch it a few times to take it all in.

@SayfumaniMyG 2 ай бұрын

I really didn’t get how people couldn’t love season 2 and Ive watched is more often then the first one, but still, the first one is undoubtedly on another level.

@gecko229 2 ай бұрын

I'm a huge season 2 fan as well. To me Season 1 is the best single season of television ever but Season 2 is excellent to me.

@mrconroy4672 2 ай бұрын

I enjoyed s2, and s3 as much as the first. I don’t get the grief behind those two.

@ionutcristian9650 3 ай бұрын

First season had good actors, good director and good script. The other's lack one or the other, and season 4 lacks all 3(except for jodie i guess).

@breedingpitmetal 3 ай бұрын

season 4 was such an incredible clusterfuck, Jodie Foster really was the only redeeming quality in this fucking mess

@Mukenin90 2 ай бұрын

Jodie didn’t redeem jack shit. I pretty sure that the only indication that the director gave to her was: hey! You are a true strong female leader in a big bad a dark world, you need to use random swearing and be ridiculous bad to read situation and you’ll provide comic relief when not needed. You got it? Yes! Hold my acting career.

@david-2 3 ай бұрын

I don't agree with your analysis. It's not that we didn't grow with the characters in season 4; they simply had no redeeming features, not even at the end. Season 4 strays so far from the path outlined in the first that it's no longer "True Detective". That is doubly true in that it wasn't even conceived as a season of the show - that was an afterthought, a marketing gimmick. The story and characters were full of bile, and it was a thoroughly unpleasant watch. My prediction: season 5 will be a dumpster fire too.

@thejamnasium6447 3 ай бұрын

I've never seen writing on a major television show like what was written in season 4. At times scenes seemed like they were actually inspired by the Lethal Weapon 5 movie the gang makes on It's Always Sunny. it was PREPOSTEROUS.

@guitarsnstrings4things677 2 ай бұрын

I believe this is a case of success hampering the later seasons; the first season had a good concept that gave a lot of ground to explore and tell a story. The late seasons were doomed to follow formula in order to replicate it. The only way to bring it back to form is to scrap everything and instead focus on how narrative can be twisted to create interest.

@maratomarov8346 2 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for the video 👍🏻

@bennygerow 3 ай бұрын

Hey great job on this one and keep going! 4:25 uhh one of these people is not "A List" (or B,C,D list lol)

@peteforce 2 ай бұрын

Season 4 sucked as they went woke. EDIT- Matt and Woody are still on the project as well.

@DavidCore42 2 ай бұрын

Season two introduced me to Lera Lynn. The dive bar lounge singer Amazing voice and talent. Check her out

@sole__doubt 2 ай бұрын

I love season 2 its the only one I like to rewatch, season 1 is too dark and 3 is just boring.

@jetnova3788 2 ай бұрын

That is it’s one redeeming quality. I’ve been a fan of Lera since.

@jetnova3788 2 ай бұрын

Season two is the epitome of half-baked. Pizzilatto needed a lot more time than he was given to flesh it out. He was under the gun.

@WhatisReal11 3 ай бұрын

you have potential keep going

@the_optics 3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@hallavalladalla Ай бұрын

True Detective is the best miniseries

@PaulAllen-rm1in Ай бұрын

Season 4 was the worst pile of shit.

@freidrichnietzsche7851 Ай бұрын

your assessment is pretty accurate i think they should have just ended it at season 1 as well, or left a lot more time for something to cook for another season. the anthology strategy was definitely the best way forward for that but it was a complete fumble. season one just felt bigger than the screen. they told just enough, had the right balance of plot and subplot, and kept the preaching to a minimum. i wouldn't even call the new seasons any more "woke" than the first one i just think they were inorganically trying to subvert expectations and artificially create complexity with fifty subplots. season one left a lot to the imagination, it was clean. i cant even remember season 3 honestly. two had some interesting things, some david lynch-esque moments, but i still have no idea what the plot actually was. and i think im going to skip 4.

@shyboy2112 2 ай бұрын

Nice video, but funny that you succeeded in butchering both names (Pizzolatto and Fukanaga)... lol

@michaelvickery5547 2 ай бұрын

You make me want to join HBO to see the show.

@lolololalala8225 2 ай бұрын

Season 1 was masterful, season 3 was real good too. 4 is pure trash.

@barry3045 3 ай бұрын

Season 4 acting was terrible.

@bennygerow 3 ай бұрын

Had to match the plot.

@creamboyfuengshwei 3 ай бұрын

i will be the devils advocate and say that jodie foster did pretty good with the shitty dialogue she was given Otherwise yeah

@jacobnapkins1155 2 ай бұрын

I thought the polar bear did really good to see him getting work outside of coca cola

@chickenlover657 2 ай бұрын

@@jacobnapkins1155 🤣🤣🤣

@IdontKnow-gm7eu Ай бұрын

I don't think the acting was the problem. They can only do so much if the script and story is piss-poor.

@creolelady182 3 ай бұрын

I liked this series and I understand/ the need to include the characters personal side with this over abundance of sex and personal demons. The script was good

@tridentsix 2 ай бұрын

Season 1 story is a masterpiece.

@JordanGurney 2 ай бұрын

C'mon man, szn 3 was still good!!!!

@bruh_hahaha 2 ай бұрын

yes, S1 is a masterwork, but S3 is also a very solid watch. For me it didn’t totally disappoint. S2 is hokey but still a lot better than most of the turd shows on the streaming platforms. S4 I haven’t watched yet but it’s on my list.

@cranekraken24 2 ай бұрын

Season 4 is absolutely atrocious. It's awful in almost every way. It's a bastardization of True Detective with terrible writing, bad acting, a ridiculous plot, unlikable characters, literal zombies, ghosts, and woke virtue signaling pigeon holed into every possible scene. It is a truly bad season. I wanted to like it and gave it a shot but I was left very disappointed.

@jamesmaybrick2001 2 ай бұрын

@@cranekraken24 S4 is bad, its just a remake of Fortitude. And that wasnt great past its first season also.

@InternetUsername 2 ай бұрын

Season 3 was a huge disappointment. It was such a tease, working so hard to create intrigue, introducing concepts outlined in the first, building up toward something greater, only to find out every single thing they so arduously worked to convince you was a part of the evil of season one was actually just a misunderstanding. The hundreds-upon-hundreds of pieces of evidence pointing to this very specific outcome was actually all an incredibly intricate and unrealistic coincidence (which is ironic, as it seemed maybe they were going for a "wELl it ithEy DOn't aLwAys fiGUrE it OuT iN rEal LifE" kind of thing). Every detective was wrong, no one was even close to the truth. It was almost as if everything in the first season didn't actually occur, and the television interview story-line led to nothing, Marty and Cohl's work unredeemed, abandoned, become a figment. It was all rushed to conclude to nothing at the end. The acting was great, the characters were interesting, if not more realistic than the first, but it was so poorly executed. The Vietnam hallucinations were corny, the

@InternetUsername 2 ай бұрын

Just to add - it's like when they discover the (spoilers) bank safe-doored, underground child prison room in the destroyed remains of a mansion owned by an extremely powerful family (which begs the question - why didn't they clear the room out after the mansion burned down?), a-la Epstein. Then when (spoilers) the father finds it earlier on, he's killed and his death is made to look like a suicide. Why was this family killing witnesses, bribing officials, spending tens of thousands on a secret underground bunker, etc. to protect something so (relatively) banal as a bad inter-family quarrel (a bit of an understatement, but still infinitely less malevolent than the alternative the show was strongly implying for 95% of its runtime). Then you begin to realize that none of the character's motivations make much sense. The ending was so insulting.

@lifeisstr4nge 2 ай бұрын

Season 1 was a masterpiece. Season 2 was still good, but dragged. Season 3 was a return to form, mostly. Season 4 might as well not exist - it sucked so bad - they should just renamed it to something other than TD, it does not deserve to be in this anthology it's that bad; side note - it is the worst season of any show I've ever seen, copying the main aspect from S1 and doing NOTHING with it.

@amcc666 2 ай бұрын

You missed the mark on season 3, and even season 2 to a lesser extent. They both expand on the themes of the first season, and manage to be original stories. The point of this essays seems to be “it’s not season 1” … for sure, but it’s certainly not trying to copy it either

@lincolnshirepoacher9390 2 ай бұрын

This is right on the mark as far as connecting with the characters. The other seasons just fall off in terms of characterization and writing.

@greenteaafterdark4995 2 ай бұрын

ESG happened

@gen-z-606 2 ай бұрын

Season 1 also had that mystery and case story, like season 2's case wasn't that interesting, the concept of the Yellow king, like if you know about the Yellow King then you know how cool it is

@foetaltreborus2017 2 ай бұрын

So many films fail because of lack of " characters '.....if you don't care ......

@waggerdagger2831 2 ай бұрын

I don't agree with the reasoning. The comments you make here, can be applied to all seasons. The reason we don't care, is because the scrips it badly written, not because someone might not be likeable (like Danvers). Some ppl are not likeable, and thats fine having such characters in a show. I think that, firstly, S01 was something a bit new; the style, the setting, the macabreness and the actors were right for the job. A one-hit-wonder, like someone said. Its hard to replicate novelty. But, s04 main problem is the fact that they are shoving "The Message!" down the viewers throats in such an insulting manner, that you instantly feel that you are being lectured: - All leads are females, who basically are men in female bodies - They talk and act like men, "fuck this", "fuck you", "fuck it", "wanna fuck?" - The males are all wimps, in bathtubs who are waiting for the leads fo show up and say "wanna fuck?" Such females exist, but here, it is ûberclear that the director really wants to show of "strong females", but by doing it the way that Disney and Marvel are doing it: by making females into males. And it simply does not work. On top of that, the script gets sloppier as the episodes go. Danvers, not reallt taking orders or shit from anyone, changes on a dime just to get some artiifical drama into the scene, and just gives up, seemingly based on nothing more than a telling off by a guy she doesnt reallty listened to anyways.

@pelicanpineapple309 3 ай бұрын

4:54 - spelling 'charaters' - oops

@the_optics 3 ай бұрын

… you didn’t see anything

@paul1x1 2 ай бұрын

Tell me you haven’t been with a friend you thought you knew drunk maybe a little high and they say or do something and you realize I don’t know this guy at all but you he next day you get back in character and just ignore everything you watched him do but you don’t forget and trust is gone that’s what here two but they let it go at a he end

@samspirgel7531 2 ай бұрын

I liked season 3

@dancronin5691 2 ай бұрын

Dude, you said both those names way off, just listening to an interview or heck, even just put them into google would've helped

@EEllis84 2 ай бұрын

You know it's bad when you watch the first two episodes and say to yourself? I'll get back to that 😂😂 season 4 had some of the worst acting I've ever seen

@DJJ81 2 ай бұрын

So… spell check? Ever heard of it?

@DaCuCat 2 ай бұрын

I'm so glad someone actually did this dive. The first was so good, the next two... Mehhh. The third was a tragic girlpower wreckage. It was ghostbustered.

@sina121just 3 ай бұрын

No, it is because a big truck and multiple vehicles will leave a clue ! And they don’t just say it was ghosts…. Waste of time season 4

@jafarohlala9936 2 ай бұрын

I don't understand why people lump Season 3 in with the rest of them. It's leagues better than 2 & 4.

@rabidcanine 3 ай бұрын

Season 4 also just is poorly written as a whole. Poorly written Main Characters. Poor presentation. Ghosts drive the plot. Incomprehensible ending. They tried to do a murders on the orient express ending but there’s nothing compelling about it.

@Astartes-6969 Ай бұрын

Dude how can you not say the names right? PIZZ-O-LA-TO FU-KU-NA-GA

@Uncle_Neil 2 ай бұрын

Well, we didn't have to endure a strong, powerful woman in season one. I'd rather watch season one than any other series in the last thirty years and that includes The Sopranos.

@creolelady182 3 ай бұрын

Season 3 was good too long

@agentfletcher 3 ай бұрын

There is no reason to not pronounce a name correctly. I get it if you're trying to say 愛莉, 愛梨, あいり and don't get it quite right but come on you have unlimited resources and tools to look up how to say Nic Pizzolatto.

@smaskuret 3 ай бұрын

I really liked season 1 and 4. Especially the yellow sign connection.

@CanHazDeezHandzBOX 3 ай бұрын

looking for good shows u aint seen to fill the void? try: bates motel, hannibal, daybreak, 6 feet under and terminator: the sarah conor chronicles. all great and underrated. for comedy shyts creek is pretty good (if u can ignore its devolution into a gay romance drama).

@MrShanePhoto Ай бұрын

Season 2 tried something different and it didn't work. Season 3 tried to recreate season 1 and it was just too slow. Season 4 was lazy and badly written. The set design was even low quality with bad AI generated posters on walls. They characters were very badly written and underdeveloped.

@deadpool8340 Ай бұрын

Season 1 and Done dont watch the rest its just 2 disappointing

@naka3339 3 ай бұрын

Nic Pizzolatto is a hack. Season 1 was only good because of cast and more importantly the director Cary Joji Fukunaga ( dude directed the whole season by himself ). Him and Pizzolatto clashed a lot on set, because Fukunaga keep changing the script/lines because it didn't work. In the end the show was a hit. Season 2 Fukunaga said "fuck im not working with this hack again" and the studio gave Pizzolatto full control with tons of random directors and well it's a complete incoherent shitshow.

@yehboi6646 3 ай бұрын

Kind of. The first part, yes, but read the pilot episode. There are a few changes but the content was there.

@Makoto03 3 ай бұрын

I'd still take season 2 over Night Country any day. That at least still felt like True Detective. Without Niv Pizzolatto, theres no semblance of what made the first season great. In fact the new writer didn't even make Night Country for True Detective. It was shoe horned into a TD season by HBO.

@macfilms9904 3 ай бұрын

I was at HBO during the making of Season 1 & 2 - and there's a bit more to it than what you suggest (although I think you aren't wrong on all of it). When Season 1 was getting greenlit, I read the Pilot script & it was one of the best I'd ever read (and I worked on the Wire, Sopranos, Deadwood Carnivale & more) - I was hooked & wanted more. So Nic wasn't "a hack" IMHO, but he did have a long time to write season 1 - years. And the Development team at HBO was superb at bringing projects along & helping the creator(s) hone the project. But there was a lot of turmoil & many talented execs got cleared out - leaving a lawyer in the Top slot and Nic wasn't given enough time or enough guidance, to bring in a successful season 2. HBO had a surprise success on their hands & wanted more, fast. So season 2 has too many main characters (4) & too many storylines, none allowed to be developed sufficiently - it's a mess. Season 3 was better, but for me, the terrible ending of "oh, it was all just a mistake! Nothing terrible really happened" was a real letdown, despite terrific acting. I do agree that Cary Fukunaga was a big part of why Season 1 was so good - HBO reverted to industry norm by season 2, having a series of episodic directors, and I think that was an element of what was different. But you can't pin season 4 on Nic, he was paid as an EP and had little if any input - so writers, directors and showrunners are perfectly able to deliver crap without him.

@amcc666 2 ай бұрын

Fans widely regard season 3 as very good. Why did you ignore that?

@nacholibre1465 2 ай бұрын

the only thing that fell short this last season was the ending

@aaronerickson8878 2 ай бұрын

LOL

@bowieupland6112 2 ай бұрын

What happened? They started forcing diversity and inclusion on the later episodes, especially the last one. That's what happened.

@patrickwaldeck6681 Ай бұрын

Season 3 was quite good, though nothing compared to season 1. It wasn't DiVeRsiTy that ruined anything, it was just hilariously bad writing.

@Batzarn82 2 ай бұрын

The first episode of season 4 played like a bad horror movie. The elk running off the cliff at the beginning, the men at the lab disappearing and the general feel was just off. The acting and writing was just bad too. It lacked the depth and feeling that season 1 conveyed. I didn’t ever care about any of the characters either. That’s a huge problem.

@masonhancock5350 2 ай бұрын

S1 was a masterpiece but the acting in S2 and S3 was brilliant. S1 was trash as art, with Rust’s pessimism guiding the viewer through the sleazy gallery. S2 and S3 were self conscious attempts at art with trashy stylistic elements. This is a subtle, but very important difference.

@joeychick9045 2 ай бұрын

OMG!! Why are they not listening to the ppl who loved season one. This woke shit is ruining everything. 1sr season was legendary.

@aaronerickson8878 2 ай бұрын

You think they're putting out this garbage that no one wants to watch by accident?

@fullmoon_O 3 ай бұрын

For me what it ruined the 4th season is the woke agenda that they push it thru the whole story. It would be nice to have them as cops, but there was no fucking way I would sympathize with the homewrecker of the whole state of Alaska or the "I'll beat you ass for no reason" cop. And that ending was horrible, there's no way those women would do that shit for that reason. It just doesn't makes sense. I've watched the 1st season 3 times now, and there's no new series to compete with it

@amcc666 2 ай бұрын

It’s not even just that it’s woke- it’s not even anything?? Sure it’s got crazy woke shit but then also like u said it just glorifies the police violence trope with the “I’ll beat you up for no reason cop” and then on top of it all, framing Navarro’s suicide as a empowering?? What was that?? It was woke, it was cop porn, it was just totally nonsensical all around

@DESKWERKSJB 2 ай бұрын

Season 4 was 2 episodes shorter than the others. And, it mattered. Two hours, which could have been spent developing these fantastic characters.

@diegovercesi131 3 ай бұрын

One thing is saying their names wrong, the other is completely butchering it. You Americans think you can pronounce things however you want while the rest of the world speaks at least 1 other language, that’s sad.

@bennygerow 3 ай бұрын

🤡

@tcatsninfan 2 ай бұрын

My lord, you couldn’t have butchered their names worse if you tried

@harry2928 2 ай бұрын

Why not just -- instead of PUTTING everyone THROUGH a Wannabe '60 MINUTES EPISODE' ? ? ? ? -- REally ?? You need to force people to [hear your voice] that Bad. ?? (🥱🥱🥱😔💤)