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This almost happened. After all, the king of Spain when America was first being colonized by Spaniards was also the German Emperor. If he allowed people other than Castilians to colonize the New World, you'd have Belgians, Aragonese, Sicilians, Northern Italians, Bavarians, Austrians, and many others be all over the Americas all the way back in the 1500s.

My Argentine grandpa, Aldofo Hitlieri, loved this video

Implying the south american powers (Argentina, Brazil and Chile) would just sit idly by and let two foreign powers from another hemisphere fight for a big chunk of land right next to them. This ain't the scramble of africa, bro

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="385">6:25</a> The actual reason of the Prussian styled military in Chile, has starts in the victorian era. One of the most important wars in the history of Chile was called the "Pacific War", a war between Chile versus Peru & Bolivia. Long story short, the Chileans won the war and took Bolivia's coast away. After the war, the Chilean military was exhausted, so the Military decided to hire some Prussian Veteran Officers, one of them being Captain Emil Körner Henze

I think a more interesting scenario to explore would be if the Prussian Scheme had succeeded, and the United States had become a monarchy under Prince Henry of Prussia.

With the US military in 1914 being both small and without preparedness, the campaign in Patagonia is a complete disaster that results in Wilson being kicked out of office (at least something good comes out of all this). Any early US intervention in WWI would end BADLY for the Americans.

That ww1 scenario is very unrealistic as the us was in no way powerful enough to secure victory over the Germans.

Chile, Argentina and Brasil just do nothing? What sense have that? ???

USA navy in 1860's was in no way capable of going all the way south and maintain any force. Also, Argentina and Chile would just invade and take over. RL Argentina fought with France and Britain multiple times having to defend bombardment from their fleets. Prussia is nothing next to that.

Lots of Germans immigrated to North and South Americas. You can find German DNA in some shape and form in the U.S Americans and Latin Americans. So in a sense they did colonize the continents. During the U.S civil war the people of German origin in U.S fought for the Northern cause against the south. In a way it was German might that defeated Germany two times in a row during the great wars which is bitter irony. Their greatest strength was their greatest weakness.

please continue this in a part 2 perhaps! i’ve seen south american german colonies as concepts before but i’ve never seen someone deeply delve into the aftereffects! this is a very interesting alternate history and i hope i get to see it go further!

Mmm this is an angle from a North American person, by that time Argentina and Brazil were powerful countries with big armies. They were more into defend their own land and they would be suspicious that USA were around that area.

I like how your alternate timelines are grounded. German colonization of South America would be geographically limited, there wouldn’t be a Prussian/German world hegemony, and the colony would inevitably fall under American occupation. It’s logical and not whimsical. Good job.

While they sort of did with the amount of people of German ancestry in South America especially in southern Argentina and Chile some places you have to remind your self that your in South America and not in Bavaria.

I'm not sure if I agree with Bismarck selling Patagonia (even despite his views of colonies), due to it being a majority German (and protestant, but I'm also guessing majority) since wasn't Bismarck's whole thing about uniting the German speaking world under Prussian guidance or leadership. I also feel like Bismarck position might have been taken away from him or at least greatly reduce power, should he have even considered abandoning the territory. I also doubt the collapse of the Ottomans as they were reforming a heavily prior to the First World War, I'm not saying that several regions won't try to break away, but in my opinion based on my studies and beliefs I believe that the Ottomans could've survived territorially, culturally and influentially if they didn't join the war. Than again I could be wrong but I also doubt that the Allies (The Entente) would have carved up the state. But apart from those points I really enjoyed the video, I only recently started watching your videos and your honestly becoming on of my favourite channels.

I don’t think Germany would try to occupy Patagonia in WW1, atleast not right away. They’d know the risk of drawing the US into the war, and that it wouldn’t be worth it. I could maybe see them making the attempt later on in the war as a kind of last resort, though. Possibly an alternate Zimmerman Telegram situation, but this time actual military action. They’d have to get though the British blockade to do so tho, so that’s a bit doubtful. Otherwise great video!

Ww1 happening sooner, possibly without some weapons like mustard gas, shotguns, etc, is a fantastic scenario that honestly should be explored more

My argentinian grandfather REALLY enjoyed this video

I kind of enjoyed it but it's way too focused on the great powers. If Germany managed to colonize a bit of patagonia, there's no doubt that chile and argentina would ally, at least for the moment, to take the patagonia back and they would do it with US support. At the time, the gap between european countries and south american ones was not so big and a war so far away from Germany would be too costly to maintain. If you add that the mexicans managed to defend against France, you have enough motivation for Argentina and Chile to go to war. Also, south americans had a policy to aid one another in case a european country tried to invade them in any way, and Germany's occupation would trigger that. You made it seem like it was the scramble for Africa, when south american countries were expected to become strong due to their sizes and resources after they became independent. Only France was too naive to think an invasion of the ex spanish colonies was possible and it backfired.

I like how this whole scenario was inspired by one video of a Chilean military parade lol

feels amazing to hear you talk about Klein-Venedig

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I love your channel keep up the great stuff

A realistic end to the 2nd American Civil War from Kaiserreich?

I personally think small creators are the best in alt history, So creative!

Since the Kaiser and tsar were cousins and good friends I don’t think that they’d take that much from Germany I think that they’d take Memel and some small lands from the corridor and that’s it

Yay! I love your videos Josh! Request: What if Miguel Da Paz survived?😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

The most interesting part remains Europe, Germany with a weak monarch and an harder path for an eventual Military dictatorship under the likes we met in our own history as Ludendorff and Hindenburg, France possibly not pushed to radicalizations and Italy maintaining Giolitti’s like government for the rest of the next 3 decades or so

Also remember that the French invasion in Mexico was happening during the middle and late American Civil war, and it was higher in the American priority list to the point that even if the Civil war was ongoing but winding down in the later stages, the United States took the effort to send weapons to the Mexican cause, whatever that happened in South America, would had to wait a little longer.

I'm Argentine, born in Patagonia and on top of that, have some German blood on me. I only lack to live in Bariloche, because I even have a mustache 😅🤣

Video idea: What if Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor, had a son?

Amazing video as always! Idea: What if henry viii and catherine of aragon's son survived to become Henry IX?

Other South American Countries : PRUSSIA! Argentina : 🌚

I think the pategonia situation would be a never-ending mess, it is on the opposite end of the world, there will be a constant influx of Germans and Austrians as it is the last and only colony, German organisations would lobby for aid, WW1 veterans would flock to the country, hell i think even Hitler would buy a ticket instead of applying to art school.

I like your topic

I disagree with your peace deal. Relations between GB and Germany were on their way to getting better as GB feared the industrializing Russian empire, with a diplomatic mission, the Tyrell mission, planned for the summer of 1914, which is when the war broke out. My point here is that GB feared the ever powerful Russians and would want Germany to remain strong to keep Russia in check. Especially with the war ending in 1915, before hatred between the nations reached a point where only total destruction of the enemy was acceptable. The same points can be applied to Austria, as they along with Germany kept Russian power at bay. Russia annexing Galicia and east Prussia would put them in central Europe, and if Austria-Hungary collapses then Russia would have a free hand in central Europe, being able to influence all the smaller states. I think this amount of power and influence would be unacceptable to Great Britain as in the future it could really challenge their power. So in my opinion, I think Great Britain would try to make sure Germany and Austria-Hungary remain great powers to keep Russia in check. France might agree as well, they would obviously see the threat, and without the extra years of war they might be more lenient on Germany. I think Germany would lose Posen to Russia but that's it. Austria wouldn't lose Galicia, maybe parts of it like Ukrainian Galicia but even then I think they'd ask for a referendum, which would definitely go their way, allowing them to keep it. Things like the atrocities the Russians committed in Galicia would help Austrias case. Austria would likely lose the Trentino and their Italian port city(can't remember the name) but that's about it. Without the extra years of war, the league of nations likely isn't proposed, so a concert of Europe balance of power scheme would likely be needed. Also I think you should do a video on what if the Tyrell mission wasn't delayed(it was originally supposed to happen in the fall), improving relations between Britain and Germany and possibly avoiding WW1.

Greetings from Chile

What if German born in Souht America?

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="264">4:24</a> To expand some more, many Germans settlers in Chile were not Prussians, many were also Austrians, Swiss, checks and Germans from the Sudetenland (many German-Chileans, like myself, have ancestry from these bohemian Germans) this is why calculating exact numbers it’s difficult because most studies tend to classify german Chileans as only the ones from the territories that compose modern day Germany, excluding us who are of bohemian origin. If we count them (plus the Austrians, checks, Swiss, polish, etc) then the numbers rise up to 1.5 million or more.

So does Patagonia eventually become a state in this timeline, or just a perpetual American colony?

Here's one scenario and Hitler's worst nightmare Slavic Germany because there were Slavic people that lived in East Germany and modern day Prussia if any of you have played ck3 you know about them😅

Pt 2 please

So...we could say Chilean non action could have made ww1 shorter?

love the marching band music playing in the background

Only one disagreement. During the American civil war American German relations were actually quite good. It’s far more likely that Germany would assist the north and the union would likely give the few light on the colony so long as Germany green lights American control. Which they would.

Hey man would you do another response video on Fredda?

Imagine if Russia owned the west coast of the USA? KZfaq: I find this offensive!

Nice discussion, what if Germany colonial troops had arrived to South America, Antarctic region, Lunar bases, Venus floating cities, Albaderan system, etc.

What if the Jacobites succeeded

I mean an argentino thinks trough the stomach and the germans got strudel so

A single large colony consisting of present day Chile, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay would be a better investment then the coal refuling stations idea they did i OTL.

As a chilean who was born from a family of german colonists... I find this way too interesting.

Ive just realized that you kinda sound like mort from familly guy (bo offence i just found it funny)

Request: what if Little Venice didnt give it spanish lands back

good video, but you likely overestimated the US. We could debate if they would have been so effective to end ww1 so soon, but surely they wouldn't be able to suppress an overwhelming german majority on the other part of the world, it would be easier for them to conquer Australia.

In a manner they did. The Latin American uppercrust seems Italian a nd German as well as oddly Lebanese.

venecuela was a private german colonie at first or better a private german colonie named klein venedig and the capital at the time ( todays coro) was named neu augsburg

Another good video!

If Prussia supports the Confederacy, what would that mean for German Americans, the majority of whom were Pro-Union? Would German-Americans move to Patagonia, leading to factions between Pro-German Patagonians and Pro-American Patagonians?

Can you do a alternate history what if andres bonifacio won the tejeros convention

"a quick Victory over Germany" literally no xD The Germans agreed on a peace deal because they had their own revolution and because they had no supply at all for years because of the british naval blockade. Even with American forces combined with Britain and France against a Germany that also has to worry about Russia and incompetent allies, The Entente wouldn't even come close to occupying German Mainland

I Think this Scenario is good until the End. Germany Was WAY more powerful during the 1914s-1917s. Most estimates say that the war would end in 1917, closer yes but not as drastic as you say. Plus much more lives would be lost.

You blame all those on the Hohenzollerns.

I am make alternate history series being the German Japanese empire its good 😊 and the other with Edward the third of England his mother and the Hundred Years War with two big differences discovery of America and early Protestant Reformation And still debating on this if it would be somewhat like one of the big things Game of Thrones is known for I want you to guess what that is😅 between Edward and Isabella but I'm still thinking about it I'm just trying to figure out a reason for England to leave the Catholic Church😅

Honorable mentions: mr mustache wouldn’t have rise in power after the war since he would probably would try and do other things than becoming a politician and peruse his dreams as a artist…. Hopefully

Bro that literally hapenned I'm ethnicaly german and live in south brazil

Aye, he got a sponsor

What if Poland buy madagascar? There where some plan's after ww1 to buy it idk how they will hold it but hey sound fun

I doubt the U.S. would be as powerful, due to two whole rebellions in such little time they would need several decades to recover, they may also become uninvolved in general conflicts like in our timeline to attempt to recover. I see a German Victory in WW1 possible here, however this timeline is still very interesting.

As someone of South America, this is so unrealistic and I like ur channal

and remember the Canal was finished in 1914, so the straights were not that important. over emphasis on taking patagonia.

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<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="283">4:43</a> Formosa is rightfully German

what if southern brazil (RS,SC,PR) was independent?

it was very interesting how this Germanic migration came about

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="653">10:53</a> common bismarck L

Chile and the Brazilian Empire would let the US do all that? lol... They would definitely make a coalition against the US

Germany actually had a colony in Venezuela

Chile is at this point more pround of their german culture than Germany. Either Chile is the Number 1 Prussia fan, or Germany lost it's spark (Both is correct)

Here in Paraguay, there’s a WhatsApp audio of a man speaking German with guaraní, Paraguay’s indigenous language, and is fucking hilarious.

OK the video is meant as a joke! Because it was not until 1871 that the unified German state came into being. Before that there were various German small states and they were too weak to acquire colonies. There was actually a pitiful failed attempt to colonize the area of ​​Venezuela by a German banker and merchant family from Augsburg in 1528 which was described in the video. That was the pathetic attempt of the Germans to colonize South America. In the 19th century, serious German attempts at colonization of South America would mean war with the United States. Because according to the Monroe Doctrine it holds that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers is a potentially hostile act against the United States. So the United States foreign policy position that opposes European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere.

What if france won ww2 or What if operation downfall happend

Biggest overkills of all time 💀💀☠☠☠ Manpower Resources fucking everything

What if france stoped germany when they tried to take rhine in 1936

wasn't Venezuela founded by German conquistadors?

Nice scenario but I'd rather prefer all Patagonia for CHILE

Prussia was very pro union, and hated the confederacy, even with this they’d be neutral likely

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Any world where Christendom survives is a better world.

Cough cough ww2

The Germans should've done lebensarum in Argentina imo (not to have great influence in SA, as that might catch the eye of the US) but as surplus population and food safety to Germany. What if the Third Reich staged a coup in Argentina and poured massive influx of German migrants there?

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