What If GOKU BLACK became IMMORTAL?

What If GOKU BLACK became IMMORTAL? | Dragon Ball Super

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What If Goku Black was immortal instead of Zamasu?
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In the Future Trunks Arc, the Kaioshin apprentice - Zamas - had made a wish to switch bodies with Son Goku - the mortal who was the catalyst for what would become the Zero Mortals Plan. This body swap led to the creation of Goku Black who would go on to use a time ring to find his alternate self and make that version of himself immortal as well. This raises a question though - why didn’t Goku Black become immortal as well or instead of Zamasu? In episode 59 of Dragon Ball Super, Goku Black explains to Zamasu that his desire is a power with unlimited heights rather than an immortal body. This does leave us with a different question though - What If Goku Black had wished for Immortality?
After watching the video feel free to leave any and all counter points in the comments below - I love a good discussion.
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@hybridgenesis7371 3 жыл бұрын

I'm imagining all these what ifs as a collection of alternate timelines and Fuu going about collecting these Sealing Swords with powerful entities within. So far available ones being Morro, and an Immortal Goku Black on the cusp of Ultra Instinct. Scary stuff

@jerefleatv8263 3 жыл бұрын

that's a really neat idea for a fanficton

@shwingcrimson8202 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@hybridgenesis7371 3 жыл бұрын

@@jerefleatv8263 I'd read it, thats for sure

@elmostew2 3 жыл бұрын

97 likes I put the 97th 100?

@shade08538 3 жыл бұрын

And it makes making Dragon Ball what-ifs even more fun, cause of timeline/universe jumpers

@zenemijydde525 3 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t matter how immortal you are you will always meet your end in the hands of the Omni King

@discontuedchannel1892 3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@yxngregister8093 3 жыл бұрын

Or a god of destruction

@kirbystar35 3 жыл бұрын

@@yxngregister8093 god of destructions can’t erase immortal people

@yxngregister8093 3 жыл бұрын

@@kirbystar35 they erased a Immortal ghost

@powdereyes2210 3 жыл бұрын

DavidJongen Goku told Vegeta that if he died after death he would get erased from existence that dbs episode was just not accurate just like GT where frieza and cell were " immortal " because they were dead

@matti.8465 3 жыл бұрын

Beerus: Well, my job here is done. Whis: But you didn't do anything Beerus: *vanishes*

@andrewcoleman5775 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like some things never change.

@mustafaLY2631 2 жыл бұрын

Flowy the flower 😳

@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын

😂

@max21567 3 жыл бұрын

The TOP would be different cause Toppo wouldn’t be allowed to be In it and Jiren would recognise Goku as goku black and finish him quickly

@CarthusDojo 3 жыл бұрын

The timeline was restored to the way it was before Goku Black. In theory, Belmod is God of Destruction again. As for Jiren, yeah he might or he might take him out slowly to prove his own strength like he did in the real ToP. Notably, that doesn’t matter too much since without 2 Zenos universal erasure shouldn’t be a loser’s consequence. EDIT: Don’t know why I wasn’t thinking LMAO yeah that was future timeline Jiren and Toppo so that doesn’t matter at all

@trashguybob 3 жыл бұрын

Carthu’s Dojo the timeline where Jiren met Black and Toppo fully became a GoD was the future timeline wasn't it? So it wouldn't matter for current timeline Toppo and Jiren at all.

@RobertTheRabbit 3 жыл бұрын

Carthu’s Dojo But That's the thing. Without Future Zeno erasing the timeline, There's only 1 Zeno.

@hackergod6193 3 жыл бұрын

What would’ve happened if they didn’t seal goku black

@Daniel-ff6js 3 жыл бұрын

@@CarthusDojo part 2 :(

@crown926 3 жыл бұрын

My new favorite what-if, I like how it is like an alternate scenario that has little to no future impact but tells one hell of a story. I really loved the role Jiren, Toppo, and Marcarita played. Really smart story with how they were utilized 👌

@shade08538 3 жыл бұрын

Damn, Toppo saved every single mortal of all 12 universe’s in his first day on the job (with some help ofc) Lmao

@dawnnight7985 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely my favorite "what if" creator! All your stories make logical sense and your story telling captures me; good show!

@Sword_Man_YT 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I'm one of the biggest Jiren fans, but if Jiren's method of sealing criminals failed (like in this What If) Jiren would eventually be defeated by Goku Black if he didn't have any other way of sealing him...

@royalblodline9847 3 жыл бұрын

i think everyone who watched knew that

@Sword_Man_YT 3 жыл бұрын

@@royalblodline9847 Let's hope so

@crown926 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sword_Man_YT I thought that if Jiren kept feeding Black zenkais that Black will unlock Omen, as cool as Jiren is, he would have died after Black at most masters UI. That's of course if Black wasn't sealed by the Z Sword (my favorite part) but Marcarita could just let Toppo die (I wasn't hoping that 😬) like Whis did to Merus 😄

@Sword_Man_YT 3 жыл бұрын

@@crown926 I know right lol

@doug.1926 3 жыл бұрын

No he would just overpower him. Resulting in Jiren eventually becoming enraged and blowing Black up and there would be no body to regenerate

@saiyajin6969 Жыл бұрын

Have a mind of a literal god, the body of a saiyan with limitless potential and a potent immortality! Damn this combo is horrifying! He’d get stronger and stronger every time. 💀

@ZERARCHIVE2023 3 жыл бұрын

It's just like "what if Goku was immortal but, it's Turles, with pink hair ssj"

@hallucination3817 2 жыл бұрын

Or… goku black?

@JayyWillow 3 жыл бұрын

He’s already immortal. He wishes to become invulnerable I know Beerus says that he’s immortal not invulnerable(4:09)but they’re actually different things.

@kazeguy8869 3 жыл бұрын

Dude I am not sure who you're talking about when you say "he" but if it's Zamasu then no. He wasn't already immortal Supreme Kai can live for a very long time but they aren't immortal and can be killed evidence by Future Supreme Kai dying in the future version of the Buu Saga. Beerus can't kill immortals even with the Hakai technique

@kazeguy8869 3 жыл бұрын

And Zamasu does wish for immortality and in Dragon Ball immortality just means super automatic regeneration evidence by Goku blowing Zamasu's head off but regenerating in purple smoke

@someguythatplaysgames7110 3 жыл бұрын

true

@azeemsiddiqui4764 3 жыл бұрын

@@kazeguy8869 Immortal is the opposite of mortal so this isn't true

@kazeguy8869 3 жыл бұрын

@@azeemsiddiqui4764 What are you talking about

@maximoomega3691 3 жыл бұрын

Your what ifs are great I'm going to subscribe

@kanekikingstorm2113 3 жыл бұрын

Something I always wondered: if Goku brought the seal, would it have been enough to hold a being with universal shattering power? Like, not to snuff roshi, but would there be a limitation to how much those mafuba seals can contain? Or would Goku’s black overwhelming power be enough to undo the seal from the inside?

@dustin202 2 жыл бұрын

My guess is it’s based off the users power somewhat

@obeseeater3603 2 жыл бұрын

Remember vegeta got sealed in t.o.p

@coopdothemost 2 жыл бұрын

vegeta got sealed so the only limit I could think of would be immortality but I think it still works because they don’t die when they go in the mafuba seal they’re just stuck in it

@dreamcream3738 Жыл бұрын

The Mafuba's sealing power seems to be absolute, so long as the Sealing Tag is in place. The effort comes from actually using the technique to seal the target, which scales in danger the greater the power gap. Roshi and Mutaito died from using it on King Piccolo due to King Piccolo's vastly greater power than them, while Goku could keep yeeting Turtle with it because Goku was leagues stronger than the turtle. Goku Black and Goku are roughly the same in overall power, but an immortal Goku Black could win via attrition, so the Mafuba is the equalizer.

@izogen7838 3 жыл бұрын

I love how Toppo is just laying in the background

@lxxdccvii3740 3 жыл бұрын

Jiren when he sees goku in the top

@atem420 3 жыл бұрын

I really liked the fact that toppo and marcarita were moving around in the background while jiren was fighting goku black, very nice touch

@InfiniteEscuro 9 ай бұрын

I really liked that shadowy description of Ultra Instinct getting closer, closer, and closer!.... all the while, we saw Toppo's Angel arrive, we saw him stand, we saw him approach in the background, and suddenly, even as Goku Black was getting more powerful, there was hope in the air. That was a very, very cool scene. There could of *course* be a dark end to this what-if, wherein Goku Black was seconds faster and a flicker of Omen allowed his body to autonomously dodge the sealing blade as a threat, even if his mind hadn't registered it. But I personally love it when the heroes win, go figure, so I enjoyed seeing Toppo bring justice upon the fallen god.

@allinonehacker6406 3 жыл бұрын

Hay sooo yaaa me andmy brother were debating this a few hours ago sooo now I am hyped up

@x-mix6676 3 жыл бұрын

It's doesn't matter cause the Omni King can kill him no matter why.....

@Sword_Man_YT 3 жыл бұрын

Also, you should make another What If based on Jiren and Goku Black "What If Zamasu took Jiren's Body?"

@imnotallan655 3 жыл бұрын

But it’s a rumour about if there is one or not

@isildurmon3874 3 жыл бұрын

everyone dies. the end

@isildurmon3874 3 жыл бұрын

@@imnotallan655 all he has to say is put me in the body of the strongest mortal in the multiverse tbh

@Sword_Man_YT 3 жыл бұрын

@@isildurmon3874 Exactly

@dripmysticgohan2466 3 жыл бұрын

@@isildurmon3874 true

@bestboy4044 3 жыл бұрын

Plot armor > Legit immortality

@unknasu 3 жыл бұрын

I just the background details. When the characters move even if he isn't describing it

@44TKO 3 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy your narrations brother

@McDagger90 3 жыл бұрын

This one gave me anxiety. It was really well done

@catherinedoyle7403 3 жыл бұрын

These are really good

@calvinkopp1735 Жыл бұрын

What Zamazu failed to understand is that Super Shenron’s wish power is Omnipotent. No restrictions or limitations at all. So if he looked a bigger picture and be more creative and ambitious, then he would’ve wished to steal all of Zeno’s powers for himself. Becoming the Supreme Being of all Existence then wiping the multiverse clean and remake it in his own image.

@Dario-hv6qz 3 жыл бұрын

What if Goku had his potential unlocked before the ToP?

@konquerance6825 3 жыл бұрын

That happened in a what if already

@MysticalisHere 3 жыл бұрын

I like your choice of BGM at the start of the video, Goku Black's DBFZ theme is a bop

@joshualowe959 3 жыл бұрын

If Goku Black became immortal just like Future Zamasu then their fusion would be unstoppable

@herobrine07366 3 жыл бұрын

It would be complete immortal lol, and if some dumb way kills them it would te infinite Fused Zamasu

@joshualowe959 3 жыл бұрын

@@herobrine07366 unless Zeno erases Fusion Zamasu.

@ProjektTaku 2 жыл бұрын

@@herobrine07366 that's basically what happened in the manga.

@herobrine07366 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshualowe959 late but Absolute immortality has immunity to existence erasure

@R.Z.N. 2 жыл бұрын

@@herobrine07366 nah, erasure from zeno is more powerful than the hakai since zeno was able to erase the infnite zamasu

@Trap5656 3 жыл бұрын

So basically Goku Black is sealed, and everything is pushed back a year cool. Hoping the next what if is either: What if Goku was born with God Ki? Part 8 or What if Gohan was like Goku? Part 3. What if suggestion: What if the Supreme Kai trained Gohan earlier? (Like what happened with Future Trunks.)

@itamar4443 3 жыл бұрын

Pls make part 2, the comeback of black ui vs goku ui plssss

@hunteranimationheroofall4233 3 жыл бұрын

Goku black with immortality will beat jiren or even Moro with that power

@hybridgenesis7371 3 жыл бұрын

Though my question is could Moro copy his Immortality?

@hi__x 3 жыл бұрын

Moro keeps Draining him to keep him weak but he wouldn't be able to beat black unless he vores him like he did with 73

@carlwebber4094 3 жыл бұрын

@@hybridgenesis7371 I feel like the only way of gaining immortality is to wish it no copying

@eskay3716 3 жыл бұрын

Moro would just easily absorb goku black and finish him off

@hunteranimationheroofall4233 3 жыл бұрын

@@hybridgenesis7371 no he can't copy immortality

@UnwantedGhost1 Жыл бұрын

🤣 A new awesome thumbnail update. Though I missed the old one with Goku Black behind Super Shenron.

@fitzgrahamjr1329 3 жыл бұрын

This is a very good what if Also What if Suggestion: What if Piccolo and Nail were twins

@zii5667 3 жыл бұрын

I dont get it?

@brmawe 3 жыл бұрын

Just subed to you, It's interesting on why Goku black didn't wish for that, It would of made goku black the absolute strongest (besides fusion in that universe)getting power up after power up after power up. Merged Zamasu should of been fully immortal from to the start, it makes no sense why he was half immortal, it's an entirely new being mixing up everything becoming one. That same episode Vegito blue uses the final kamehameha. Great vid!

@hellothere4622 3 жыл бұрын

I thought he didn't do it because of the time limit of the super dragon balls if I'm not wrong u can summon super shenron only every year?

@hellothere4622 10 ай бұрын

@robertothesupermutant830 still a fucking ass year it may be nothing for his life span but if someone founded out his plans he would get shit on 💀

@michaeleverett1376 3 жыл бұрын

This what if showcases how dangerous Goku Black is if he got immortal.

@kgosinyathela7946 3 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the what if

@shristumishra5683 3 жыл бұрын

Uhhh Carthu when will the next part of what if Goku turned super Saiyan in the Saiyan saga come out btw ur content is amazing great work keep it up

@chelseach6228 3 жыл бұрын

I got 2 whims ideas 1. What if goku never learned kamehameha 2.what if yamoshi still lived

@kazeguy8869 3 жыл бұрын

What if 1: He would probably learn other technique What if 2: Not sure how this would happen

@therealreaper8513 3 жыл бұрын

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS GET A HAPPY ENDING!!?!?!

@bmode1019 3 жыл бұрын

Cuz plot

@willburning6955 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I hate it

@xdanime6621 3 жыл бұрын

this went from "AYYYYYYY" to "awww..." to "AYYYYYYYYY"

@protagonist6799 3 жыл бұрын

I like this honestly I would like to see a part 2 of this where someone dumb enough would free goku black where Goku could get his rematch Or something

@n03lama1k2 3 жыл бұрын

Could you do a what if about future Broly somehow being found by the Z fighters or Goku Black?

@hggs4466 Жыл бұрын

Honestly can't begin to understand why both zamasu's collectively decided to share power instead of putting it all into one body with black as an immortal sure that makes future zamasu now exposed to attack but also makes black an unstoppable weapon

@unreallight4775 3 жыл бұрын

Yo, Are you gonna do a "What if gohan kept training part 4"?

@intense8145 3 жыл бұрын

Can you make a what if Goku was human like instead of a crashing space pod he is abandoned by his parents or something like that on mount paozu where grandpa Gohan founds him

@zaielpr 3 жыл бұрын

bro I remember when u had like 1000 subscribers n I was fucking with that I’ll come back when you get more subs n look at you now 134,000 I come in peace ✌️ MR DOJO

@thetrio8020 3 жыл бұрын

Cant wait for it

@abeltello195 3 жыл бұрын

Do one a what if bardock knew about the fusion dance and used it with a random sayin with high power and fought frieza

@Kyuubey0406 3 жыл бұрын

he'd still lose

@hallucination3817 2 жыл бұрын

@@Kyuubey0406 yea lmao

@davidquiles6585 3 жыл бұрын

Could you do another what if gohan never stopped training :0

@RackerTheRascalMashup 3 жыл бұрын

Now... What if goku didn't forget the seal?

@hallucination3817 2 жыл бұрын

Zamasu isn’t a threat and they easily dispose of black 😐

@nativemosaic 3 жыл бұрын

Awsome

@sseempire8705 3 жыл бұрын

Damm it i wanted goku black to win

@nhish_muffin_man897 3 жыл бұрын

You should make a what if when goku went to train with whis before the TOP and if goten went with him instead of goten staying with trunks

@darrentrattles7458 3 жыл бұрын

Could you please do a what if on "what if Shallot was cannon?"

@SpammytheHedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine Zamasu not going 2-face

@lucifermorningstar4548 3 жыл бұрын

Whis said “There is nothing Lord Beerus can not destroy”. I’m pretty sure that includes immortals.

@adrianmichel8959 3 жыл бұрын

@@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399 uh beerus said it in the manga. And that one episode was all gag and jokes.

@KaiserMattTygore927 3 жыл бұрын

@JPlayz Good job putting words into other people's mouths so you can have your little fanboy wankfest. Argue with honesty.

@duburakiba 3 жыл бұрын

the key word beerus uses is Kill but thats not what a Hakai does it erases Soul and all

@duskssj4704 3 жыл бұрын

@@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399 the manga is where the anime was made 🤦‍♂️ basically saying the anime is trash if you call the manga trash

@Killrbladez 3 жыл бұрын

@@duskssj4704 Except the Super anime came before the Manga.

@SpammytheHedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

Then there would be an Immortal Merged Zamasu

@nehaalkhalid3436 3 жыл бұрын

@JPlayz nope he will be immortal

@thatonegamer706 3 жыл бұрын

you have to make a part 2

@Mirthful_Midori Жыл бұрын

I was honestly a little surprised he didn't, when I thought about. All he had to do was wait another year to make another wish. For being immortal, he certainly was impatient.

@calvinkopp1735 Жыл бұрын

Or time travel to the future with the Time Ring.

@halyoalex8942 11 ай бұрын

Yeah in hindsight it seems kind of silly. 😅

@neelammaurya151 3 жыл бұрын

Hi I am waiting 😀😀

@OneLoveDoc 10 ай бұрын

When your about to get up and you get cooked by a sword

@aidanshowers8366 3 жыл бұрын

Carthu please do what if future vegeta survived or what if future trunks stayed (but saga)

@TestElepine 3 жыл бұрын

Could a kai become a G.O.D I wonder how that would work

@sseempire8705 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty peas

@Mr-Mxrgan 3 жыл бұрын

I cannot wait

@legendofarias6453 3 жыл бұрын

can u plz make a If Goku was born with god ki 8 the torneminent of power. Cause the 1-7 was sooo good

@neo6657 3 жыл бұрын

Great theory.

@UnwantedGhost1 10 ай бұрын

Sucks that there's no official art of Toppo in the God of Destruction attire. Hopefully soon.

@souplooters 3 жыл бұрын

You should make what if frieze trained like goku

@9000jamez 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like an immortal saiyan wouldn't get zenkai due to them never being at the brink of death

@ale-xsantos1078 3 жыл бұрын

True, but maybe he could still get stronger from training by tapping deeper into Goku's power and Zamasu's ki

@isildurmon3874 3 жыл бұрын

@@ale-xsantos1078 we've seen in the ToP that it no longer matters about the brink of death tho. its simply recovering from getting your shit rocked lol

@tonybalongna 3 жыл бұрын

how big your zenkai is depends on the severity of your injury, so yes black would get a bunch of small zenkais

@LordChrome375 3 жыл бұрын

The biggest issue is him never learning UI, Black has never trained in his life, he wouldn’t be able to learn the technique because he doesn’t know how to. It’s just not something you get from getting stronger.

@furiousgamerxz5141 Ай бұрын

They wouldn’t but many people ignore this

@FrostTheHobidon 3 жыл бұрын

So it would be a Bad ending, Goku Black Win due to his immortality and his OP zentai boost of SS Rose

@nulll._. 3 жыл бұрын

SSJ*

@Justin37478 3 жыл бұрын

I think we need to remember the main theme of dragon ball and its powers powerscaling. Anything "absolute" can be overpowered with a big enough power gap. The whole point of Jirens character was that he was so overpowered that anything thrown at him was just a matter of "just hold back a little less". He even muscled through all of hit's hacks with relative ease, and even matched mui goku for a while. I'd say a god of destruction would likely Hakai any immortal, and Jiren being a league above a God of destruction would be able to handle the immortality as well.

@azure2029 3 жыл бұрын

nice

@urionlimitbreaker8876 3 жыл бұрын

Zamasu as Goku Black mixed with immortality would be a dangerous threat to the multiverse.

@gideonessiam71 3 жыл бұрын

Can u please make another what if carthu video again

@phyinx1033 3 жыл бұрын

Can you make a video about “what if goku was born with broly” please

@npc_timing8754 3 жыл бұрын

As no cap I just thought of something why don't the kais and gods of destruction live together they do literally have a life link

@tusharparyani8055 3 жыл бұрын

Hey carthu there can be a 3rd part to if Goku killed Vegeta as future Gohan and Pan can be there even if Vegeta is not

@real_vise 7 ай бұрын

just curious, do you think theres a world where goku black could escape from inside the Z sword using his scythe of sorrow to cause a rip in the time space so he could pass through, or maybe even use his time ring to escape? i know elder kai couldnt escape until it broke however he didnt have a time ring or his own dimension like black does

@MsMRkv 3 жыл бұрын

It's even better than the original.

@Hardcore10 3 жыл бұрын

Hey will you ever do a cross universe what if

@dogmail 2 жыл бұрын

He has unlimited time to master techniques like time skip, ultra instinct and etc . Imagine a kaioken times 1000

@Coolgamer.. 3 жыл бұрын

Goku back is my guy.

@BDGRtheDryW4ter 3 жыл бұрын

Heres a simple what if put pretty interesting what if Vegeta fought Kale and Caulifa then Kelfa and Goku was busy with Toppo would it change something like would Vegeta get UI or something?

@Tektabyte 3 жыл бұрын

Do "what if vegeta and goku were sent to earth" Or "What if cell never had frieza dna" would he be less evil?

@8thgod769 3 ай бұрын

I was just thinking what if goku black won AND GUESS WHO MADE THE VIDEO THE GOATTT

@stx.0fficial 3 жыл бұрын

Have you done what if goku was the legendary super sayain?

@arnabmishra Жыл бұрын

And in the tournament of power when toppo and jiren see the same guy who gave them so much trouble in their universe they'll be like "nope, nvm..i've never met this person in my life."

@evanjohnson8564 3 жыл бұрын

You should continue the story what if Gohan was like Goku

@jobsidian4219 3 жыл бұрын

Wait I thought that all the angels were inactive at this time

@Tolo29 3 жыл бұрын

XD okay boi

@joekauffman9690 Жыл бұрын

This is a brilliant talk, it would been a real problem if Goku black immortal because he has a saiyans body and has immortality, could you do what if Goku got super saiyan rose instead of blue