What If Rhaenys Was The Queen Of Westeros? (House Of The Dragon)

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TheEmpyreanSpeaks

TheEmpyreanSpeaks

2 ай бұрын

The Great Council of 101 had to be one of the most defining moments in the history of Westeros. It was here that the precedent of male inheritance was truly set by the lords of the realm, and as a result the princess Rhaenys was robbed of what some believe was her birth right. The Queen Who Never Was. But what if things were different?
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@didacfg8811
@didacfg8811 2 ай бұрын
Jahaerys made the mistake of letting the lords think that they could decide who inherits the throne
@joaoferreira3007
@joaoferreira3007 2 ай бұрын
Actually, the lords choosing Rhaenys isn't the lords choosing absolute primogeniture, its the lords choosing Andal tradition, daughters over uncles, so rhaenys heir shall probably be Laenor, and i dont think oldtown or otto would have thar much problem with that(especially if they get to marry alicent and laenor...), unless rhaenys herself change the laws, that i can see oldtown and other noble houses creating problems.
@animejerk05
@animejerk05 2 ай бұрын
Rhaenys isn’t stupid enough to try changing the succession crisis ruling that you inherited under. That’s Viserys level incompetence
@tinahs8269
@tinahs8269 26 күн бұрын
I agree. I always wondered why her already having a male heir didn't count for more.
@sharp52092
@sharp52092 2 ай бұрын
If this happened perhaps Westeros could have done something like the United Kingdom previously practiced. They could have practiced male primogeniture, where sons were preferred, but daughters could still inherit if there were no sons. I don't see Westeros going full primogeniture, where the gender of the eldest child and heir doesn't matter.
@punkthatiscyber9091
@punkthatiscyber9091 2 ай бұрын
'Never' is a strong word. I could see a slow transition. Might take a handful of generations. But especially if you have enough queens who end up taking the throne regardless
@Laramaria2
@Laramaria2 2 ай бұрын
Rhaenys would have been a great Queen!
@browniebear
@browniebear 2 ай бұрын
Book Rhaenys yes. Show Rhaenys would have been between problematic & promising so overall okay.
@Laramaria2
@Laramaria2 2 ай бұрын
@@browniebear fair enough. Books Rhaenys is a 10/10!
@carastone3473
@carastone3473 2 ай бұрын
According to Fire & Blood, Laena is one year older than Laenor; they’re not twins.
@browniebear
@browniebear 2 ай бұрын
He was saying that he thinks they're twins in the show. He said that Laena is the older one in F&B
@elinakangas571
@elinakangas571 2 ай бұрын
In this scenario... I assume Leonor Velaryon would not have any children. I assume Lena Velaryon would still marry Prince Daemon and have 2 daughters. This would be 3 generations of ruling queens. This would be quite a lot for Westeros.
@dyscalculic
@dyscalculic 2 ай бұрын
I'd like to see the timeline where if some King of Westeros just had a royal decree of, "A Lord/Lady may choose a natural born heir if they wish" otherwise the old rule applies.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul 2 ай бұрын
I feel like that would still cause problems.
@seth_fitzgerald
@seth_fitzgerald 2 ай бұрын
I find it very curious and intriguing that all of Westeros, except Dorne. They prefer agnatic and male primogeniture but in Dorne, they have absolute primogeniture, so that has always been the conflict throughout Westeros. Males are always preferred, but when the Dance of the Dragons was concluded, there were more women in power than men because the war took away all male claimants. Women held the power temporarily until their sons were born.
@SCordova19
@SCordova19 2 ай бұрын
I wonder what would have happened if Visarys and Rhaynes had gotten married rather then who they each actually ended up with (Aemma and Corlys)
@notyourproblem474
@notyourproblem474 2 ай бұрын
I think they could've balanced each other, they would've been great rulers. Viserys was very jovial, and liked by his lords and people but weak and indecisive. While Rhaenys has more of a spine than him, but she's still delicate about it without coming off as a bully. So, she is less easy to manipulate, and wiser. Besides she has a dragon, which would strengthen the throne and any threat Daemon could pose (it was a massive oversight that Viserys never claimed another dragon or that Aemma didn't claim one when she became queen). You also no longer have the problem of another house having dragons (I still don't understand why Jahaerys allowed a dragon rider to marry outside the family, it's like gifting a nuclear weapon, and not just any dragon but one that can lay eggs as Seasmoke comes from Meleys). Plus you reunite both claims and then you no longer need a Great Council. So many problems would have been fixed if the right marriages had been made, instead of whatever bullshit Alysanne (mostly) and Jahaeris did, in this aspect they failed so many times.
@SCordova19
@SCordova19 2 ай бұрын
@@notyourproblem474 I agree, I also just don’t think Daemon would ever go against his brother…he loved Visarys he only ever ‘acted out’ to gain his brother’s attention. also wheb there was a question over who would be king/queen Aemon or Daenerys, Jaheras (sorry I’m horrible at spelling these names!) wanted the two eldest siblings to be married-which would have settled the issue-even if it didn’t give his wife what she wanted. That was the plan prior to her untimely death. It’s weird that he didn’t marry them to each other originally because they each had strong claims and were one time heirs.
@notyourproblem474
@notyourproblem474 2 ай бұрын
@@SCordova19 I don't think Daemon would have done that either, but he was perceived as a threat nonetheless, so having at least one dragon rider ruler would have calmed those who thought like this. And it would be a power boost anyway. I think is very telling that the man that caused the death of dragons with his indecision, had no dragon at all. Kinda foreshadowing future targaryen kings.
@motherofsnakes314
@motherofsnakes314 2 ай бұрын
I think rhaenys could implement the doctrine of targ exceptionalism to say that just her family could play by these rules of total primogeniture
@bizarreconvos
@bizarreconvos 2 ай бұрын
What if Viserys and Aemma's Children never died in their birth? Would the Children cause so much ruckus in the seven Kingdoms!? Like Jaehaerys own children?
@JMTgpro
@JMTgpro 2 ай бұрын
Rhaenys' true result as queen is a Baratheon-Targaryen-Velaryons hegemony for generations. If Rhaenys is as open as Viserys in letting everyone who can have dragons (Jaehaerys, for example, didn't let all of his children have them), I see a timeline where after three generations, there would be Three Dragon Houses: Targaryen: Continuing through Laenor... Velaryon: Continued by whoever inherits Driftmark (probably Laena or any other child). Baratheon: With Rhaenys having such a strong connection to the House, and the history of the House, I don't doubt, not for a second, that it's possible that Rhaenys' next heir or daughter will be betrothed to a Baratheon heir. I would see that triad of Houses as the main ones and after Rhaenys, by marriage and alliances, I would see them dancing with the Iron Throne. The main problem with Rhaenys' reign is Laenor. In the original line he was unable to have heirs of his own for the Iron Throne, in this one, I doubt that will change. So, in the same way, even if he is an heir, there is no one to inherit him, apart from his sister. So, either Rhaenys has more children or the only heir will ultimately be Laena. But, in this line I see Rhaenys capable of marrying Laena to Borros Baratheon. By history and tradition (the Baratheons were his main allies in the vote). Laenor, to be honest, the union with Rhaenyra is such an obvious and good decision with Rhaenys as Queen that, I say it will happen as well, which tells me, that the lack of 'passion'... We may have bastards again. But I doubt Rhaenyra will have such indulgence with it this time. Unless Laenor lives longer and intercedes strongly, saying that they are his sons and heirs. Anyway, Rhaenys may be a strong Queen, but if her children aren't careful, there may be an inheritance war behind her between Laenor's bastard sons and his daughter's sons, with access to the Velaryon fleet, Dragoons, and the Baratheons.
@Thepiedpiper-dl8np
@Thepiedpiper-dl8np 2 ай бұрын
Are your what if’s only for house of the dragon? I loved to see some Robert’s rebellion what ifs
@mdguy35
@mdguy35 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I’m happy with the outcome, especially since Viserys finally gets to play with his Legos.
@kdjr3062
@kdjr3062 2 ай бұрын
If he isn’t king who know would he even like his valeryian marble set
@justinehelene4831
@justinehelene4831 2 ай бұрын
Choosing Rhaenys would be male preference primogeniture moreso than absolutele primogenuture. Westerosi/Andal tradition wouldn't have allowed Jahaerys to ever choose Baelon as heir over Rhaenys as she was daughter of the heir. But because he did do this it created a complicated succession instead of what would have been straightforward for Andal Westerosi. It doesn't mean absolute to vote for Rhaenys it just follows the male preference law. Ex. Bran is heir after Robb but if Robb even just has a daughter she is heir over Bran now. The line now follows Robb's offspring and not Ned's according to westerosi law. Just in case that was confusing to anyone
@MadManManderly
@MadManManderly 5 күн бұрын
In the main book, this happens with Alys Karstark inheriting from Harrion (her brother ) instead of Arnolf (I believe Jon says something to this effect) and Cersei becomes Lady of Casterly Rock instead of Kevan after Tywin dies (Kevan tries to use this to strip her of the regency and said her away)
@kleailia6332
@kleailia6332 2 ай бұрын
What if Aegon succeed in his escape after the death of Viserys?
@maryssaflynn3208
@maryssaflynn3208 2 ай бұрын
I want to see that one too
@lasloapollo4312
@lasloapollo4312 2 ай бұрын
Than Aemond takes his place or becomes regent with Helaena for Aegons eldest son.
@browniebear
@browniebear 2 ай бұрын
​@@lasloapollo4312Or Aemond takes the throne given that he's an adult and can immediately produce heirs which is more stable for the realm. It did happen later in the timeline where the younger son of the king inherited instead of the King's grandson via his elder son (Aegon V ascended over Maegor, the son of his elder brother Aerion).
@jjosifovic
@jjosifovic 2 ай бұрын
Rhaenys my favorite female Targaryen show wise and easily the best choice to rule the seven kingdoms compared to Rhaenyra and Aegon
@lgp5116
@lgp5116 2 ай бұрын
How about a video where instead of a boy being born in episode 1 Aemma gives birth to a girl (Visenya) Aemma she still passes, but would the king still remarry right away? How would the dance of the dragon's be different if it was the Dragon sisters vs the Hightower brothers? Would Visenya side with her sister for the crown or would she be by her husband (Aegon II) side? Would the green kids even be alive now that the king has two heirs?
@maikenlsten
@maikenlsten 2 ай бұрын
The one true queen.
@Dr.SwanPHD_MD_Esquire_the3rd
@Dr.SwanPHD_MD_Esquire_the3rd 2 ай бұрын
It bothers me how in HotD they call the king/queen the king of the Rhoynar even though Dorne isnt part of the kingdom yet…
@maishaahmed915
@maishaahmed915 25 күн бұрын
Kings in real life also did the same thing. The kings of England called themselves king of France until the French Revolution.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul 2 ай бұрын
Given the ratio of people supporting Rhaenys and Viserys, I highly doubt the lords of Westeros would ever choose her to be queen. The only way aI see this happening would be if Jahaerys himself chose her to be heir.
@mandoslore
@mandoslore Ай бұрын
What-if Rhaenys and Viserys were wed? Aemon (Rhaenys's dad) didn't like Corlys a lot in fire & blood, so I could see him choosing someone else for his daughter to marry. You would have Aemon and Baelon's lines united which could make up for the great council of 92 AC (I am aware that it most likely didn't happen in the show). Rhaenys doesn't become Queen but she becomes Queen Consort. How much would things change? If Rhaenyra is still born, would Rhaenys advocate for her claim to the IT?
@martinspacil5100
@martinspacil5100 2 ай бұрын
What if Daemon eas Viserys sucesor ( Viserys never married after Aemas dead)
@carastone3473
@carastone3473 2 ай бұрын
Daemon WAS considered his heir at one time. He set Daemon aside when he finally admitted to himself that daemon would be a terrible king.
@martinspacil5100
@martinspacil5100 2 ай бұрын
What if Viserys maried Rhaenys and Corlys matried Aemma
@tanoshiofm3852
@tanoshiofm3852 2 ай бұрын
There is one thing. Gender does matter. In this scenario, Rhaenys becomes Queen due to Andal Law. The effect would be that the Andal law is more respected. The line of succession would be sons, then daughters, then brothers, then sisters. I don't think it would have a lot of difference.
@MarkStorey-dc4tm
@MarkStorey-dc4tm 2 ай бұрын
This did not go the way I expected, but it was awesome!
@VANIT_E
@VANIT_E 2 ай бұрын
I keep hearing "President" lol
@VersieKilgannon
@VersieKilgannon 2 ай бұрын
God, when you recited all of Rhaenys' titles as queen, I honestly teared up a little... Rhaenys is one of my favorite characters in the show
@KaiHung-wv3ul
@KaiHung-wv3ul 2 ай бұрын
Otto and Daemon becomes bffs lol.
@dellavonta187
@dellavonta187 2 ай бұрын
Bro come own we need part 2 of what if she killed the greens I need daerons revenge
@finikama
@finikama 2 ай бұрын
The happiest person in this scenario is Corlys. Dude will kill himself with joy 😂. People tend to forget that Corlys was far more ambitious than Otto Hightower, he just wasn't lucky like Otto.
@user-wm1zi7mk6p
@user-wm1zi7mk6p 2 ай бұрын
Dude give me the part two of what if the Strong’s were actually Velaryons?😊
@tobyorcutt8500
@tobyorcutt8500 2 ай бұрын
Describing Raineys, as “decisive“ is Ludacris. If you were actually decisive, she would have torched the usurper in the dragon pit instead of just flying off 🤷
@bushmaster195
@bushmaster195 2 ай бұрын
Just looked at the new Posters they put on Twitter for Season 2 and they still have Aegon in the background behind Alicent like isn't this Aegon vs Rhaenyra for the throne or am I missing something?
@paxmundiabolition
@paxmundiabolition 2 ай бұрын
In the political sense yes but in terms of who the fight is really about he is a relative pawn as an offspring of Alicent and Rhaenyras conflict spurred on by House Hightower and Daemon. This season he is just starting as ruler so the beginning of the war will likely focus more on how Alicent and Rhaenyra are more at war eachother then woth Aegon because he would NOT be king without his mother and grandfathers coup. The next seasons though as the war gets darker and bloodier he will eventually be more of a centerpiece for sure especially after certain characters who have played a pivotal role in preparing the war or in trying to stop it die in the war. Season 2 will likely be 129 AC and mabye some of the big early battles whole season 3 will be the later more bloodier part when there are less and less Targaryens and Hightowers left so naturally he will gain more centerpiece and screen time
@literairydragonfly
@literairydragonfly Ай бұрын
Okay your video seems to be based on a faulty premise. Its not turning to absolute primogeniture. Its actually enforcing male preference, women already can inherit. Basically passing over Rhaenys imposed agnatic succession
@madambutterfly1997
@madambutterfly1997 2 ай бұрын
Their dragons change gender well when the circumstances demanded, would it be so wrong if the Targaryens had their line of succession follow suit and possess mirroring flexibility
@anbuookami13
@anbuookami13 2 ай бұрын
As it should be. One of the better Targaryens. Can't wait for se02ep4
@chrisanderson7258
@chrisanderson7258 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, that bar isn't that high. She did just kill a lot of people in the dragonpit just to look badass in the show, at least.
@liketheshowmoesha700
@liketheshowmoesha700 2 ай бұрын
Also it would’ve been a long line of women as queens because on of leanas daughters had 6 daughters🤭
@amorojaz27
@amorojaz27 2 ай бұрын
Given the incident in the Dragon pit, I don't think she'd make such a great queen.
@amaracrow0501
@amaracrow0501 2 ай бұрын
I'm relatively positive that in the book Laenore and Laena were twins and he was the elder. As you mentioned Rhaenys was never put before the great counsel, it was basically down to Viserys and Laenore. Also at that time, Daemon was missing from the counsel (notice his absence in the show during the win for his brother)because he had amassed soldiers to fight for his brother if he had not won. I don't think even he would be so presumptuous to pull a move amassing a army to pull a que without his brothers approval.
@chrisanderson7258
@chrisanderson7258 2 ай бұрын
They're not twins in the books. Laena was actually the eldest, and Laenor was the youngest. They switched it up in the show
@notyourproblem474
@notyourproblem474 2 ай бұрын
Laena was born in 92 AC, and Laenor in 95 AC
@carastone3473
@carastone3473 2 ай бұрын
In Fire & Blood, they’re not twins; she’s one year older than him.
@madambutterfly1997
@madambutterfly1997 2 ай бұрын
The queen who should’ve been
@deankirkby8047
@deankirkby8047 2 ай бұрын
I think they’d move the heirs title to Prince of Driftmark, with Vissy, Aema and Daemon becoming House Targaryen of Dragon stone.
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