Hey man, great video. Could you do a video on the economic system of Catholic Distributism and will you finish the Seven Ages of America Series?

@@crusader2112 Did get a lot of interest for Distributism on our video on Corporatism, I'll definitely keep it in mind. And yes, the Seven Ages series will be completed.

@@MonsieurDean Yes, thanks. Keep up the great work and take care. Peace. ✌🏻

@@MonsieurDean I really hope that you reach 200k subscribers by the end of 2022!

@@MonsieurDean please make a video on what if russia wins ww3?

Much like hoi4 peacedeals, it's the good ending

Wilson still destroyed monarchy is Europe and pushed them towards globalism

Some kind of carrot would be needed to be given to Italy to reward them in the name of peace.

Only part of South Tyrol, the southern portion was Italian and the northern (which was also annexed) was Austrian

To me it would be yes but no. South tyrol would rather be divided between the german majority and italian majority to me

If we apply the same logic to Alsace-Lorraine, not all of it would go to France. Around 60 % of it’s population was German, even in 1870.

@@lennartherix6872 German speaking =/= German.

Based and nuance-pilled

I agree with you Achaean, even if I still don’t like Wilson and “the progressive era”.

I disagree, empires are based. Wilson was in a cynical campaign to weaken the European Empires so that the progressives could more effectively control the world without a strong nation capable of resisting it. If you believe that is not the case, explain why.

Wilson was still pretty bad and a horrific person

Good intentions? Stalin had good intentions as well! Hitler had good intentions! A lot of people in history had good intentions. That doesn't make them not terrible

Sad but true.

At least we don't live in the timeline where the Soviet Union and the US nuked each other.

@@mrbisshie still, if there’s only one timeline worse than ours than it must be very bad.

At least we don't live in a timeline where the Nazis and the Japanese empire won.

@@finlandball1939 What about a timeline where the Nazis won ?

Also the increase in color compared to the last video is nice.

14 points

@@MonsieurDean indeed 14 good points haha

Since I have your attention by the way how would the Belgians react to the transfer of the Congo?

Lol

Yes, but if the League of Nation was effective, the stopping of Japanese ambitions in China would stop any European nationalists from pursuing their territorial goals by the means of war. This would also make the Europe believe that the Bolshevik threat isn't an issue that could topple their governments. We could've very easily seen a long lasting peace.

Plus such a different outcome to WWI and geopolitical reorganization of the Western World makes the Great Depression hardly a inevitability It could happen still, but it could as well have been completely butterflied away, it's very hard to predict for sure because it could go either way

@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja How is the League going to be effective though? The UN certainly isn't so why would the League be any more effective?

@@LanMandragon1720 That isn't my job to solve. Perhaps they should be dictated by a vote of the majority, unlike the UN. No-one should have the right to veto.

@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja Right so it wouldn't have worked then it's pretty straightforward. Neither organization had the ability to stop anything whatsoever. What does the League do when Japan invades China and thier objections are laughed at by Tokyo? Sanctions won't work because they happened IRL and didn't. What does the League do if the Germans decide to retake thier territory? The UK and France sat on thier hands IRL why wouldn't they here? The US will not be politically able to enforce the Legaues will in any realistic timeline either. So who's going to enforce what the League demands be done? No enforcement means no power its fairly straightforward the timeline is absurd.

That’s why we shouldn’t try to change the Past but learn from it.

Bruh i highly HIGHLY doubt the 14 points would prevent another war

@QuantumMeme The only thing this scenario succeeds in is making Europeans pissed off at America for creating an "American" version of Europe, could probably expect to see a lot of nations rivaling of getting angrier at America for the 14 points

US not entering WW1 would've prevented WW2.

Considering that Germany would've still lost the Corridor and Alsace-Lorraine, the Nazis would still have risen to power so WW2 would've still happened...

Agreed.

Unfortunately the United States of 1918 would not accept or fellow any of the 14 points in the occupation of Haiti and South America intervention.

@@timcoffey1169 Haiti was the one who took out debts it couldn't pay.

14 points would still lead to a WW2. It really wasn't that good of a plan.

In that senario that ment that China would most likely be part of the Axis powers as they are already being aided by the germans, which meant Japan could keep its war against china going with the allies aiding it as it would be part of the allies. This would also mean Japan wouldn’t attack pearl harbor as the British and Soviets would aid em. The result of WW2 in this senario would be a cold war between communist bloc vs the greater east asia bloc led by the Japanese empire with its puppet states Manchukou, Inner Mongolia, and reorganized republic of china as the soviets did envisioned about spreading their influence in asia, them occupying/puppeting the west of china. I apologize for editing continuously cuz I struggles to keep this consistent with the original comment.

@@firemangan5024 and the allies would close the Burma road that was giving china supplies. I think japan attacking Russia would cause them not to attack the us keeping it neutral.

The Yamato and Musashi provides fire support on d-day. And after the war Admiral Yamamoto retires to gamble along the Mississippi River just as he wanted to. :)

Maybe Jinroh would have happened

@@CasualGamingDad187 officially Germanys reason for declaring war on US was simply cause USA had already destroyed a few German subs.

Thing is the Great Depression was part caused by the unsustainable systems set up that ruined Germany economically and left them dependent on loans from the US to repay their war debt who was in turn having the Entante members use that money to repay their debts to the US they acquired during the war. A depression probably occurs but nowhere near as severe, in this alternate timeline.

all that was because of Versailles. The "stab-in-the-back-myth" was used since the early 1920th by right wing propagandists. It said that the republicans, socialists and jews sold German land while the German army was winning. A unification with Austria and territorial integrity (dearmarment of the Rhineland, occupation of the Ruhr) would've counteracted that myth. Without Versailles, Germany could've diversified their economy and would've not the hyperinfaltion of 1923. The German republic (Weimar Republic) was instable from the beginning. Reparations, isolation and constant occupation were looming damocle swords for the German governments. If the Great Depression of 1929 would hit Germany as harsh or even harsher than in reality, National-Socialism wouldn't be that popular. I think, social democrats and communists would've been more succesful than in reality.

@@derorje2035 seems unlikely that Germany would of been so much better off, that mustache man never whipped up crowd for all those other regions.

@@danf7411 Austria, Sudeten and Poland were part of the "Lebenraum" region, mustache-man wanted for the German people. When the only difference for Germany were the borders of 1930, we probably would have had a socialist government, they got stronger as well during the recession.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Rome was the one that suffered from multiple civil wars but always reunited afterwards and China was the one that collapsed entirely into small nations until the 19th century.

It would’ve led to India being the only dominant power east Asia for centuries before being inevitably taken advantage of by britian (just as in real life) and Japan would see its self in a more competitive situation as most likely the smaller states that have risen since the fall china would’ve been colonize or the very least be under European sphere of influence (which would be alot greater than it was in real life.)

@@wargamesmaster Rome did break up a bunch of times and reformed. We just use another narrative, but there def. have been plenty of Roman Rumps states for several years that then reforged. Let's not forget that those Chines Kingdomes stem from Chines Warlords.

@@edrickhuge4637 But Rome as a civilization is gone while China is still around. That's what my wish was about, a what if video on if Rome was the one that survived despite civil wars and break ups into 3 or more kingdoms while China is the one that lose everything, fracture into small kingdoms and reunite into a new nation with a new culture & language.

@@firemangan5024 Britain's take over of India was far from inevitable. It was mostly happenstance and chance. Not a bring the military fight the helpless natives.... The indians were far from helpless. A long history of bad luck for the Indians, betrayals, wise moves by the British increasing their power incrementally

You are totally right about culture over ethnicity, judging by etchnicity only is liberal and nationalistic method that only inspired radicals. Although there are cultures that were neglected with efforts to replace it with culture of country elites. Like Germanisanition of slavs in Germany and Austria, Magyarisation in Hungary (Slovaks, Transilvanyans, Serbs), Italian speaking and slovenian socities in Austria, Bohemia also experienced Germanisation( btw they were protestant in catholic Austria). Borders should change and much, as situation in Europe 1914 was like "Big cats already eaten small ones, and want more". Bohemia, Poland, and other states subdued by force should be free, also Hungary wanted indepedence from Austria, while Transilvanyans would perefer to stay in the empire, but they cant as empire died. Austria after democratic revolution not wanted any returning to the, instead they wanted to be part of Germany. Alsace-Lorraine also was not unitary in terms of culture, like 70% should return to France, city of Metz may stay German (Independent Alsace -Lorraine is also a possibility). So the map of Europe would be hardly the same it was before 1914, more it should be like 18th century

Good points. As for Montenegro: Up to this time most Montenegrins (at least the orthodox ones) would have felt to be serbians, mostly even "better" serbians than those of Serbia proper. Only after the coup of 1918, instigated by the serbian king against his own brother in law (his grandson would later become king in 1921), the montenegrin king and the christmas uprising of 1919 where soldiers loyal to the montenegrin king rebelled, did a significant minority (mostly in the older core territories) start to feel significantly different to serbians. Had instead the montenegrin king become the new king of Yugoslavia this drift might never have happened.

I for the most part agree with you. But there is one thing I feel is very important that isnt really being discussed. The stability of the middle east and africa. I honestly think the 14 points did a decent job giving Africa and the middle east a chance for stability and for a far better future than what we see today. It's not perfect but it's defenetly better than whatever tf france and england did in our timeline. What the french and English government did all the way back at the end of ww1 to Africa and the Middle East sparked much of the instability that we still see to this day. Yes there were other outside factors before and after the end of ww1, but for the most part, they really screwed up with things like the Sykes-Picot agreement. The 14 points while not perfect could have given them a chance to in your words "practice their culture, and have options to socially climb." Defenetly far more of a chance than just letting France and Britain carve the cake or leaving the borders the same as they were before the war (leaving many of the middle eastern states under ottoman rule, the very same establishment who commited mass genocide against the armenians).

For me the Soviets will start ww2 probabily..however I don't think the germans may Italy may go fascist if they don't give to them like Dalmatia.

@@AshleyGravesreal Italy would go fascist thats for sure, it was more about social dissapointment and conuter-action agaist local communists, than about war. Soviets may go for Baltics or Poland lands, but i doubt that they would risk a full blown war.(definitely not in 1941)

That and Neckbeard atheists online who somehow managed to get a lot of views…

Hehe it would be funny if VTH reacts to this...

@@hawx00145 And the other Wilson video especially, and the Seven Ages of America as a whole.

I’m rooting for Mr. Z!!!

kzfaq.infop1vsNu05-v8

@@MonsieurDean LOL nice! Thank you for that!

The French emperor was Italian.

In his early childhood in Corsica, Napoleon disliked the French and saw them as mere occupiers of his homeland.

@@hawx00145he still was the French emperor, he fought for the French not the italians

@@MonsieurDean he wasn't italian, Corsica was from the republic of genoa, there wasn't anything like "Italy" yet

@@hawx00145 yeah. In his childhood. And then he proceded to do all of his éducation in France, learn how to command there, and without the révolution his génius wouldn't have been exploited at all, since he was only coming from a minor nobility

JFK would be remembered as the Joe Biden of that era for allowing it to deteriorate to that point by not assisting the Cuban rebels when he could have, and in the process, snatched unthinkable disaster from the jaws of an easy victory for no clear reason.

End of civilization as we know it WW3 last a single day

Two censored comments. KZfaq is communism. If we had sent nukes to Russia youtube wouldn't exist as it does today.

Simple: The west and the communist blocs will be a nuclear wasteland whilst countries that were neutral (the South American nations, and Switzerland for example) would be just be watching as the events unfold.

we die lol what else did you expect

Yeah, there's no way without more territorial gains in Africa that Britain would ever accept this.

France losing the home of Napoleon, Hungarians losing the borders of the kingdom of Hungary, the Germans losing Alsace-Lorraine (Especially the ethnically German bits), Britain losing pieces of its empire which were organically developed from important trade hubs held for centuries. The idea that this would make peace is insane Not to mention it looses the Self-Determination question out of Pandora's box which has arguably been the cause of more conflict and horrors than it has ever prevented. The Irish civil war would have Britain against the league had the league worked as intended, and I doubt any of the other great power losers would sit by and not air their own grievances. The peace would have been even shorter than the 20 year spurt of Versailles. Unlike Versailles which just pissed off the losers, this treaty would piss off everybody.

@@reviveempires As much as I agree that it would probably piss off everyone involved and even those who were not, it would still follwed be a better reality than the one of our own.

@@reviveempires The 14 points are also idiotically... optimistic for a lack of a better word. Or at least some of the interpretations here are. As an example: there is NO way Germany would get to keep any of its colonies. The "impartial adjustment" would consist of France and Britain to tell the Germans to suck it followed by them grabbing all the colonies like it happened OTL. Singled out the germans because I am unaware of other Central Powers having colonies. And this is just an example. The only reality, if this was ever actually enforced, I see coming is that the vast majority of nations begin to despise the USA. For good reasons too.

@@reviveempires the Home of Napoleon which he didn’t consider himself part of which he himself repressed and didn’t even identify as? Yes very bad how could the French accept such massive loss. Uh yes! By remembering them they’re not going to have any other war and that they already got Savoy and Nice which were The land of the Italian royal family and of Garibaldi so yeah France wouldn’t had much to complain as Corsica wasn’t worth much for them but a lot for Italy

If I was Wilson I wouldn't have joined the Entente during WW1 but instead would've given an ultimatum in 1916 that whoever does not agree with the points I would set would face war. It would include an immediate end to hostilities and restoring of pre war borders. Alsace-Lorraine becomes and independent buffer state between Germany and France with territorial and neutrality guarantees from the League of Nations countries. Luxemburg would be absorbed as new state into Germany as it was one of the only states of the German Confederation not to due to agreements for it to be a buffer, since Alsace-Lorraine would be a much bugger and better buffer now Luxemburg can join the union and it's extremely hard to fight a war through Luxemburg the logistics would be atrocious for the attacking army which is a good thing. Belgium would be restored with all it's territories intact and a territorial and neutrality guarantees from the league of nations. Poland which had gained independence with the help of Germany would cease to be a German puppet and gain full independence however they would not gain the territories of Danzig, Posen and the corridor to avoid any future border conflicts between Germany and Poland, likewise these will be the final Eastern border of Germany and no German eastward expansion would be allowed. The Baltic states would be independent and so would Finland, Lithuania would not gain Memel since the main ethnicity there wasn't Lithuanian and it would only harm Lithuania by making them a future target of border disputes. Italy would gain Trentino and all other Italian ethnic majority lands. Austro-Hungary would be dissolved, Croatia and Bosnia would gain independence, Austria would be reduced to Austria proper including Tyrol, Slovenia and the Sudetenland, Czechia and Slovakia would be formed as two separate states though on close union to each other and they would under the league of nations agreement have free or very cheapened port access to the sea through Germany and it's independence and neutrality aswell as territories to be guaranteed by the league of nations, breaking this agreement would result in war with all of the league of nations including a full on embargo. Serbia and Montenegro would unite and restore it's territories and have access to the sea. Bulgaria would have to give up Macedonia to Serbia and thrace to Greece. Germany would lose Tanzania and it would become a British colony to allow them to complete their cape-cairo rail. Germany would lose Togoland to France. Germany would lose Kameroon to France. Germany would lose Namibia which would become an Italian colony. German soldiers in Belgium would spend a year to fix any damage in Belgium as reparations. Germany would keep some of it's navy but would lose East Papua to the UK and it would be incorporated into Australia. 10% of the German navy would go to Belgium as reparations and another 10% to France as reparations. The Ottoman Empire would be dissolved, the Arab Republic of the Levant and Mesopotamia would be established, Kurdistan would be established as a democratic Republic, Turkey would be established and keep Eastern thrace aswell as Constantinople, Anatolia would remain a part of Turkey. The Dardanelles would be open for free passage of ships. Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan would be established as independent states. Ukraine would gain independence though Crimea would remain a part of Russia. Russia will be obligated to receive huge amounts of aid on food to help the starving population and both all the factions of the reds and the whites would be invited to attend a League of Nations meeting were they would negotiate peacefully if possible for a solution for the civil war and how things should be treated, there won't be any direct involvements in the civil war though., Kazakhstan and Belarus would remain a part of Russia, Turkmenistan would be an independent buffer state along with Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan and be called the Central Asian Republic or Central Asian Soviet Republic if the communists win the civil war there. Persia's independence would be restored and all British and Russian forces would have to evacuate. Brazil would receive industrial aid from the USA like promised. Germany would lose the port of Tsingtao and it would be ceded to China. Japan and the USA would gain all the German colonies in the Pacific. All countries must reduce their armed forces. Romania and Hungary divide Transylvania, Romania would also gain Bessarbia/Moldovia. Greece would gain Cyprus though it would keep it's British presence there including military bases and de facto control of foreign affairs, the internal affairs of it's citizens would remain Greece's. Germany would become a constitutional democratic monarchy and would unite with German-Austria. The League of Nations would include all countries and all members states must follow all the protocols including preserving all the guarantees of independence.

@@cqpp w except I would still the germans keep a colony or 2

Large areas of the middle east were Greek speaking. I include in this the south west corner of what is now Turkey... the 1919 Greek landing on Asia Minor was a disaster from which Greece has never recovered. I tried to find out just what happened, but information is minimal. It appears that the Greek army was doing well, liberating Greek regions from Turkish control, and then the generals fought amongst themselves. That led to a complete disaster, where the army was wiped out and vast numbers of Greek people killed. It is said that as recently as the 1970s, skeletons could still be seen on the ground in deserted villages of the former Greek inhabitants.

if the second Moroccan crisis triggered the Great War That would be much better for Germany, as Italy was not busy in Libya yet, so it would be much less of a problem if they join Germans as triple alliance supposed. Secondly Ottoman Empire still not suffered Balkan wars, Balkan League would be Encircled by Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, Romania and Greece (since Greek king was Pro-German and hated Bulgarians) . While Russia was licking wounds after Russo-Japanese war. Central powers victory?

Thanks, pal!

France pretty much still consider themselves a world power.

In south Tirol live austrians not german….🤦🏻🤦🏻

@@JusTCheap15 The concept of "austrians" was not present at that time. People in Austria were culturaly and liguistically germans. Also identified themselves as germans

@@romegon3942 what are you talking? Horse shit? Austria was long there before germany even unified😂😂😂😂😂

I second this, or Ramos maybe?

@@crusader2112 Ramiro Ledesma Ramos leading Spain? That's a wonderful idea.

Wouldn't happen the US public was extremely isolationist at the time. For example pre Pearl Harbor 70% of the public opposed intervention. You would need a POD in the 1870s minimum to get this done.

@@LanMandragon1720 The reason American sentiment was against the League of Nations, is the same reason NATO fears are stoked today: Article 5. In truth, Europe has used and abused American logistical hub capabilities. We essentially are a wild card for the European powers to wage their wars, whereas previously the European powers didn't have those capabilities. This is the same reason the European Powers have not invested in their security, meanwhile they claim it's a problem. In hindsight, the Marshall Plan and others were a mistake as we got the European Powers more and more addicted to US logistical and economic capabilities. In learning from our history, we need to decouple the Europeans from us, in order to achieve true international peace.

Grand Admiral Yi: Not in my Watch!

Will then Japan empire over Korea and China would if it did not choose to advance its civilization and kept trying to conquer china and beyond China, Japan would get picked apart by the European empires and replace China as the empire to get humiliated in the century of humiliation China suffered.

@@ObiJohnKenobi22 That's what I'm saying. There was a nascent national movement among Muslim speakers of Serbocroatian. It was big enough for king Aleksandar I to adopt a Muslim ward as a token gesture, but it wasn't mainstream, with many still self-identifying as Muslim Serbs or Croats and more importantly it wasn't really registered by the international community.

Doubt, the turks barely won, and only because the British and French had no stomach for extended conflict, the yanks are still fresh and the Arabs are highly motivated. Plus the Greeks, Armenians, and Georgians only accepted peace becuase the British and fench backed out with continued American support they would not, and possibly neither would France and Britian. Attaturk would have lost eventually, they would be vastly outnumbered by a determined enemy that also has international backing and the industrial might. But they might turn fascist in this timeline and be the caurse of ww2.

not really. The turks only really fought the greeks, and barely even won. They only won because france and britain stopped helping and because the bolsheviks provided the turks with guns. In this timeline where there is a united arabia that would sure fight like hell to preserve its independence while having american help as well, i just cant see how they would win. Dont forget as well that the soviets are friendly to the west in this timeline because they didnt intervene in the civil war. So turkey would be really isolated if they fought.

@@shanuz9886 The Bolsheviks would likely still be on bad terms (maybe slightly better) with the dirty capitalist pigs and would likely still funnel aid to Turkey. The US would likely also not intervene much in the war as they didn't intervene much in our timeline. The uk and french wouldn't get involved at all since they had no colonies to protect and were exhausted. Turkey could also just ignore Georgia and Armenia in this timeline which would free up more men and resources.

@@shanuz9886 Turks didn't only fight Greeks. Turkey fought Georgians in north, Armenia in west and France in south as well. And tides of war started to turn against Greece way before the Soviet aid. Whether Turkey wins in this timeline completely depends on US support. If US decides to stay out of it Turkey would probably make peace with Arabs and most likely win again against the rest of the nations. If US actually decides to put its weight than Turkey would probably lose.

Yup. Bei mir auch so gewesen.

@@weierlowe9891 welches Bundesland? Bei mir war's ne Berliner Privatschule

@@timteichmann6830 Es war tatsächlich auch Berlin. War allerdings eine öffentliche Schule (Man kann's kaum glauben). War dann auch wiederum Geschichte Leistungskurs in der gymnasialen Oberstufe.

I want it to be this month.

Thanks I love that series can’t wait

Thankfully that never happened in real timeline.

Wilson changed his mind and pushed for Austria Hungary to be dissolved

@@ImperiumMagistrate Well, that's unfortunate and also dumb. Sours my opinion of him. Actually, did he change his mind because of Allied pressure? France, especially, had interests in the Balkans, as was shown in their conduct with Yugoslavia in the interwar years. "The Little Entente," those nations were called.

@@Jacob-hx7kk Wilson seems to have allowed himself to be pushed around by France and Britain a lot in the ensuing post-war negotiations.

Perhaps...

It wasn't a proposal to make everybody immediately happy, but happy in the long term.

The Germanic Alsace-Lorratians wanted to stay with France, so that's a moot point. Though, the new borders with Poland should've been divided better and the German Austrians allowed their wish to unite with Germany, along with German Southern Tyrol and the Sudetenland.

I'm working on it right now. It is REALLY good, but taking much longer than expected.

Yes because the US would honour this and not use the Panama Canal against its enemies??

@@GG-ir1hw The whole thing US absurd the winning nations wouldn't give up land. Hell in the actual timeline it was a bitch to get the French to not demand Germany be broken up. The 14 points would never have been accepted by the Entente.

@@LanMandragon1720 well exactly. Woodrow Wilson kinda had no real right to press the terms he did. He wasn’t an original belligerent or had suffered like the major European powers had. Kinda joined last minute and got a prominent position.

@@GG-ir1hw from another point, Germany accepted armistice based on 14 points. Without it war could restart like in Turkey.

@@alexzero3736 Let them try and restart it. The real reason Germany went down the Nazi route was because of the American made Wall Street crash and the economic situation it created in Germany before that point under in Weimar period the political and economic situation had stabilised and radicalism subsided. It was this disaster that then caused the NSDAP to enjoy prominence.

Hehe