What is a Surveillance Radar Approach?

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4 жыл бұрын

To help out an air traffic controller who was undergoing training, I flew a Surveillance Radar Approach at Southend.
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@adjo82 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see that control also get practice time in with GA pilots who are also practicing.

@TheMicroPilot 4 жыл бұрын

I just love your editing style, still trying to perfect my own. Nice live video the other day Jon!

@michaelsummers9579 4 жыл бұрын

I used to do my SRA’s into Stanstead back in the 70’s. Not a big international hub in those days. ILS’s were done at Luton £10 for three approaches, lot of money in those days. Great video & fond memories Jon. 👍

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Michael.

@richnash82 4 жыл бұрын

Loved this video. Brought back all the stresses of when I did my Instrument Rating.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

It's a fun approach to do.

@lugash4 4 жыл бұрын

SRA's the controller would have a dedicated frequency and would concentrate only on that one inbound a/c they would not be expected to control other a/c as well.......so contact would be initially with APP CTR then over to RADAR CTR (years ago it was called "Talk Down" procedure.......in the late 1960's and early 70'6 that was common at LUT in bad wx......the days of Court Line, Monarch, Dan-Air, Britannia, Aer Turas Ireland, Germanair ....memories. Thanks for the upload good practice and good flying.

@seanmcerlean 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video Jon, looks like you have really mastered the instrument stuff & ZR as well I particularly like the camera setup focussed real time on the instruments. I remember doing a couple of those approaches into RAF Benson when training with the lucky chance to have a NATS controller as my instructor in the right seat.Made for an excellent overview of how both sides think and work. We also got the chance to do the more precision PRA into Benson for controller training. Popping off the foggles at 1/4 mile bang on course and seeing the lights dead ahead was impressive to say the least. Stay safe in all this madness right now Jon and look forward to upcoming videos.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sean. And you stay safe too.

@NMcG111 4 жыл бұрын

Non compass non gyro approaches are done on a discrete frequency, I'll never forget my first one as a trainee ATCO ("aha....this'll be spectator sport" from some of the old hands) not easy to learn. Regular SRAs can be carried out on the main radar frequency (subject to traffic/workload and controller). Thank you for uploading this from the pilot perspective, very interesting to see and as mentioned previously, edited very nicely :) A big thumbs up :)

@flybe146 4 жыл бұрын

An SRA was always something I wanted to do when I was flying but never did so well done, you flew that approach on rails mate - awesome stuff looking forward the next week's episode.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

30 knot headwind helped!

@piealotflyer3731 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting Jon and really enjoyed that one. The cockpit shots were excellent and I felt as though I was actually doing it with you. Stay safe

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Keep safe.

@davidcartwright5591 4 жыл бұрын

I remember the days when SRA was commonplace . I used to listen on my trusty airband receiver to Birmingham Approach giving SRA instructions many years ago before the ILS was operational . I have to admit , I didn’t realise SRA was still available . I’m now living in Sydney where a similar system known as PRM approaches are carried out . I love your videos and the information and knowledge i gain is invaluable . Cheers John , stay safe and healthy , we are entering unknown territory .

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks David.

@GC987 4 жыл бұрын

Great upload again.... Really like it when you also show us the chart position (e.g. at 12:15) really help "get the picture" for the viewer. Brilliant stuff. Thanks.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Graeme.

@mikeclark6717 4 жыл бұрын

Yet again a fantastic video!

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike.

@paulwear1489 4 жыл бұрын

Good video, good to have two people learning at once. Well done, enjoyed it.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Henry is the Pro Paul. I'm the amateur! Thanks for watching.

@JoeRichardson02 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Jon, seems there's so much to think about when instrument flying, well handled.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Joe. Yes, it can be a bit much at times.

@JodelFlyer 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting and informative video Jon. Great that you and Henry were both in the learning zone!

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Henry is the pro! Thanks Tim. Hope you're keeping well.

@ForFunFlyer 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video, Jon! Very informative and entertaining! 👌🏻

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks pal.

@nicholas5826 4 жыл бұрын

Stay safe mate.

@togacontrol6153 3 жыл бұрын

Bet the No Compass No giro was even more fun. Could you do a video transitting the Stansted overhead and entering the CTA via the Epping VRP. Would love to see a transit with essex radar.

@BenAtkinsonVideos 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Jon. It’s a really high level of piloting and radio work going on there from everyone. Thanks for posting!

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ben. It was good fun - you should try it!

@gap9992 4 жыл бұрын

Another very interesting video Jon so thanks. I like SRAs as you just have to follow instructions! Wondering why you didn't stick the hood on?

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

I was still gaining confidence in the Arrow, and didn't feel comfortable doing this in IMC, or even simulated IMC, but you'll see that I'm focussing on instruments, rather than visual cues, so not a completely wasted opportunity,

@flyingkub 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, not something a lot of GA pilot do often.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@stewartwilkinsonsnr 4 жыл бұрын

Great to see two aspects of aviation helping each other very enjoyable video Jon ✈️

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

That's a good way to look at it Stewart. Hope you're keeping well.

@marsgal42 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting approach. Sort of PAR-meets-localizer. How do you like the Arrow? I learned to fly in Cherokees and flew an Arrow once. Nice plane.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Enjoying the arrow, but don't feel comfortable in it yet!

@joeledery2955 4 жыл бұрын

hi .. i am french , and i enjoy to see your videos , because , i learn english with you and flying ...like you i fly with a pa 28 ....Can you please show me how you put your tablette on the steering wheel ...best regards ...thanks

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Joel. I use a Ram yoke mount - most aviation stores sell them.

@zoozolplexOne Жыл бұрын

Interesting. It is the same as non gyro approach

@lisasargent9006 4 жыл бұрын

Did James mention to you that when he flies over me in Stanford, he does a orbit for me? I have a proper dedicated aircraft finding lens now.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

he's told me he has done this. We were under radar control, so had to go where we were told on this flight!

@CrayonboxAviationAdventures 4 жыл бұрын

Are you guys still allowed to fly 🛩 recreationally where you are during this current 🌏 global situation? We are for the time being - apparently to stay current and maintain our skills 🇦🇺🎥🎞

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Nope. It's all locked down...no non essential travel.

@speedbird737 4 жыл бұрын

Slight mistake at 05:35 - controller didn't abbreviate call sign ;-) Other than that a great flight!

@henryspurgeon385 4 жыл бұрын

Nigel in actual fact the full callsign shall be used when issuing a controlled airspace clearance, and you should read back with full callsign 👍

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

I think that was probably Nigel’s point. My bad!

@EuroAviators 4 жыл бұрын

Great work, this was very informative to watch. Never saw or flew SRA approaches before. It seems to be quite different from the (more common) PAR approach, where the controller keeps non-stop talking up to the touchdown point. Looking forward to the next part.

@TheFlyingReporter 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks.