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What is the difference between a sprinter and a climber in the TdF? The science

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@Fastfitnesstips
@Fastfitnesstips 5 жыл бұрын
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@sasquatchrosefarts
@sasquatchrosefarts 2 жыл бұрын
Your analysis didn't account for descent models. A climber descends nearly as fast as a sprinter. Within a couple percent, even if they weigh 20kg more. But the climber ascends easily ten percent faster. You can't normalize a stage at 2.5 percent grade. It's a bad model. But I hope you Got some sponsor money from making a video that's not very useful. 😅😅😅😅😅 In other words, descent times are about the same for sprinter groups as climber groups, but the uphill part, it's not even close. So the race model should look at mostly uphill, and ignore downhill, if you want to normalize the grade. And you forget another issue - sprinters are trying to save as much energy as possible, so they don't lose too much body mass that they need to win other races, later in the year. So they go as slow as possible. And if they account in their mind, for excess body mass loss, they may ride slow and get cut. And tell the sponsor they ate some spoiled food for breakfast. The grand tour rider can't win the other races, generally speaking. They have to give it everything in a grand tour, despite losses to body mass that harm their health. Also, electric motors affect outcomes 😅😅😅😅
@carlosroy7984
@carlosroy7984 5 жыл бұрын
The key factor is the Vo2max, climbers always are over 80, which means much sustainable power on long climbs for their weight. A Sprinter Vo2max is always lower, more around 70-74. Also higher weight and less training on their ftp and threshold power.
@kay19833
@kay19833 5 жыл бұрын
Lactate threshold is FTP.
@christopheralix8554
@christopheralix8554 3 жыл бұрын
"Those data"... finally someone who can talk stats. Bravo
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 5 жыл бұрын
I would rather be a little slower on the climbs and not look like a crackhead.
@connieback7577
@connieback7577 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard professional cyclists referred to as “genetic freaks.”
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 5 жыл бұрын
@@connieback7577 Not only in Cycling but in All sports.
@sasquatchrosefarts
@sasquatchrosefarts 2 жыл бұрын
@@connieback7577 they starve themselves for years to adapt to a machine ..... And most use electric motors in most races....
@arkmillworks
@arkmillworks 3 жыл бұрын
Although I enjoyed your video. I have a particular interest in the the physiological adaptation of sprinters and there ability to achieve simulate FTP’s to that of a climber. Although a pure sprinter can produce more power the sustained power is lower. That particular discussion does not seam to happen very well/often.
@cokebottles6919
@cokebottles6919 7 ай бұрын
Cycling is such a complex sport, it's one of the few sports where almost no one is consistently on top for more than a few years. Every course works best for a particular rider's physiology, and they're all so high revving that it only takes one small thing to trip them up. The sport is so hard on the human body that it only has so much time before it breaks down that .05% that makes the difference between winning and finishing middle pack. Then someone else takes their place.
@ljadf
@ljadf 5 жыл бұрын
People tend to think cycling is cycling, and to be a' good' cyclist is to win a number of races, but the fact is there are multiple disciplines in cycling, and winning a race has a lot to do with how well suited you are too the particular course. The question 'what's the difference between a sprinter and a climber' is fundamentally incorrect, it should be 'what's the difference between a particular sprinter and a particular climber on a particular course with particular conditions'. Less catchy, but more accurate a question. Sagan is a brilliant sprinter but also can climb,Thomas is an excellent climber but also has great TT ability. The answer to the far more complicated question is itself more complicated, sufficed to say it's watts per kilo, V02 max, altitude training, aero drag, anaerobic training, aerobic training, fitness and fatigue among many other things.
@n.h.6139
@n.h.6139 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent quality analysis! 👍🏽
@neo_geo_
@neo_geo_ 5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure they extended the time cut this year.
@allthingsTechrelated
@allthingsTechrelated 5 жыл бұрын
Great analysis as usual.
@timmills8521
@timmills8521 2 жыл бұрын
You can over analyse some of this i think, generally speaking the considered natural climbers live and train in the mountains, their bodies and efforts are physically and psychologically conditioned to the efforts required for stage races .. the great GC riders focus training blocks on similar efforts for a specific reason and target .. its why the world pro Road race is so much more interesting, rarely do you get an undeserved winner, its hard, long, generally lots of climbing and gets progressively faster through the race.. but on any one day most top riders (by that I mean the best) regardless of whether considered a climber, puncher or sprinter, if properly prepared and are in superb condition can depending on ultimate ability produce a performance.
@jaredfontaine2002
@jaredfontaine2002 5 жыл бұрын
Kittal got dropped just outside of Annecy. I was there. I was on the inside of the hairpin watching. Sky was on the front, GVA, Sagan and Julian was in the break flying. Kittal came by and he stood. He was suffering so bad tongue out. I will never forget it
@kay19833
@kay19833 5 жыл бұрын
And yo outside running around chasing KOM in your local area, what have you achieved in cycling? I guess so,....nothing! Has guts to be talking shit about Kittel being dropped.
@CHARLES-ch9zg
@CHARLES-ch9zg 3 жыл бұрын
@@kay19833 what are you crying about
@christopherYecoYoung
@christopherYecoYoung 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video thank you
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak 5 жыл бұрын
Makes sense but how do you explain Caleb Ewan? He suffers on the climbs too, and is very small, but he sprints his ass off on the flat stages. His physique suggests he'd be a great climber.
@danielm2058
@danielm2058 5 жыл бұрын
My BMI is 17 (181cm and 57Kg), how can I gain weight? I swear I eat all the food I possibly can. I'm 20y old
@hogdog567
@hogdog567 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel M You need to gain the right kind of weight, that means muscle and possibly bone density. Off season Olympic style weightlifting and associated exercises. Squats are king!
@thatsnumberwang7432
@thatsnumberwang7432 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah weight training will do the job, I'm the same as you, 183cm/61kg. But would it actually improve your power? Idk probably not much
@w4yland3r27
@w4yland3r27 5 жыл бұрын
Eat more. That's it. Take whatever you are yesterday and eat it again today plus an extra sandwich. Do that for a week. If you don't gain weight, add two sandwiches to the same diet every day. Do another week. Etc.
@thannwe3998
@thannwe3998 4 жыл бұрын
Are you eating the correct food? If you want a more accurate amount of nutritional intake use a calorie caculator.
@thannwe3998
@thannwe3998 4 жыл бұрын
Just saying most people think qaunity of food is key, yes quanity matters but quality does too.
@aacc8466
@aacc8466 5 жыл бұрын
can you do another video like this during the hey day of doping to compare the power to clean riders of today?
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed
@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 5 жыл бұрын
What clean riders?
@kay19833
@kay19833 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting on "clean riders of today". dumb.
@tastemysaucer
@tastemysaucer 3 жыл бұрын
Clean! Lol!
@jimjr4432
@jimjr4432 5 жыл бұрын
Why would any race want to disqualify any sprinter? They bring lots of action and interest to the races.
@Nealecomia
@Nealecomia 2 жыл бұрын
I always ride uphill everyday, Does that make me a climber?
@damon123jones
@damon123jones 4 жыл бұрын
on stages over 2000 m climbing cut the fieldextra time.. not against the fastest climbers but an average peed of previous times maybe
@kay19833
@kay19833 5 жыл бұрын
What's the difference between triangle and a circle? like it ain't obvious that it's even unfair there is no weight category in cycling. it's like staging a fight between Deontay Wilder and Manny Pacqiao.
@legrandempereurcosmique5142
@legrandempereurcosmique5142 4 жыл бұрын
Life’s unfair men, that’s part of the sport to loose as much weight as possible and still push some watts just as classical dancing requires being thin or sumo being fat
@320ifq
@320ifq 5 жыл бұрын
Great info as always ... Much of it too tech for me. I now know I need to loose another 15 kg to be quicker. Ummmm.
@mrreaper676
@mrreaper676 Жыл бұрын
how can someone be a climber or sprinter when starting on cycling
@UrbanFishing-MTB
@UrbanFishing-MTB 3 ай бұрын
Try both. Sprint in flat then do climb on the mountain. See which one your comfortable
@jenadagoy3621
@jenadagoy3621 2 жыл бұрын
im kinda courious cuz im like sprinter and climber idk why am i like btw does it fine?
@Alan_Hans__
@Alan_Hans__ 5 жыл бұрын
Who is this nibaly guy 13:55 ? The animations show the major problem with their riding. They are over straightening their knees :D The tour always caters for the climbers. Finishing the days at the top of steep rides means that it is always going to be the sprinters (heavier riders) who get knocked off. If the stages started and finished at approximately the same altitude then the advantage of lighter riders would be mitigated. Want to make it fair. Base the bike weight for a rider on the riders weight. A 6.3kg bike under a 56kg rider is a much bigger advantage than a 6.3kg bike under a 75kg rider.
@damon123jones
@damon123jones 4 жыл бұрын
in fact why even have a time cut ?
@raphaeltiziani7476
@raphaeltiziani7476 5 жыл бұрын
Nearly 5 W/kg for a whole stage.. Just insane.. I manage to hold that beraly just below 20 min and they do it for >3 hours...
@kay19833
@kay19833 5 жыл бұрын
Now you know they are on something right?
@raphaeltiziani7476
@raphaeltiziani7476 5 жыл бұрын
@@kay19833 Nah I dont know and tbh I dont care.
@kay19833
@kay19833 5 жыл бұрын
@@raphaeltiziani7476 You don't care about exactly what?
@raphaeltiziani7476
@raphaeltiziani7476 5 жыл бұрын
@@kay19833 if they dope or not. I would care to much I couldnt watch any sport.
@kay19833
@kay19833 5 жыл бұрын
@@raphaeltiziani7476 So, all athletes dope is that what you're saying?
@damon123jones
@damon123jones 4 жыл бұрын
alaphilipe was fantastic, who cares about bernal
@pedroafonso8384
@pedroafonso8384 5 жыл бұрын
When will we be able to acess that app?
@Fastfitnesstips
@Fastfitnesstips 5 жыл бұрын
We are going to discuss an app thats does all this and possibly more in a few weeks...it will analyse your CDA on the fly from you normal head unit ride data with no special equipment
@HeathyRoidz
@HeathyRoidz 5 жыл бұрын
I am 56kg my FTP is 255W and my max sprint ever was 731... so I don’t know if I am considered a sprinter or a climber... I think my sprint is pretty good for my weight and age
@cowyow4300
@cowyow4300 5 жыл бұрын
Great video but never completely sold on vegan cyclist logic
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