My God, what a tough man. What horror some people has seen?

Which did he say was worse?

@@one-re2ub The Gulag was worse. He was a big strong man with knowledge and experience in construction, and therefore worth something to the nazis. That's why he was sent to Germany to construct bunkers. He said he would get 2 and maybe 3 meals a day and was treated quite good in general. In gulag it was only 1 meal a day, sometime nothing. He was stuck in factory making different parts for trains, tanks and planes. People would get injured and die almost weekly. The only thing positive he ever said was that the work was at least inside.

@@vesleengen that's nuts. Thank you for sharing. What was the worst thing he saw in gulag if you don't mind me asking more?

@@one-re2ub The more day to day stories he never shared. Probably for a reason.

In my familly, my grand parents (especially my grand mother who stays really vague about it and quickly changes the topic of the conversation) don't talk about their past just like their parents didn't talk about their past. I tried to ask a few questions to my mother to see if she knew but they didn't tell her much as well. I guess their memories of the old Soviet Union will be taken to their graves.

I am glad he survived and you got to know him. Sorry he went through this atrocity. Let’s share those stories so history won’t repeat itself

That's simply amazing. I'm glad you were able to know him. That was his blessing.

@@jgallardo7344 Listening to him, changed my perspective on a lot of things. Like one time, we had pea soup, and I found a worm in it. I was like any other kid at the time, made a fuss. But my Papa calmly sayed... Oh, you are disgusted now, but when we were at the Gulag the food was often bad quality and from ingredients we also had the worse. Our pea many time had worms. We were really happy when it did, 'coz it meant we got at least a little meat... I ofcorse took the worm out, but had the rest of the food, no problem. It changes many things if you look at it like that. After the fall of the USSR, many people lost their jobs here too, the economy was in a bad shape. We were lucky, my dad kept his job, but he only made enough for the upkeep of our home, we didn't have money for food sometimes. So, we went to the forest, foraged, had what we could. It's in a big part due to my Papa that we survived those days. He showed us, how and what to pick, how to set traps, how to survive. And how to cook a full meal from almost nothing. I'm thankful for him, every day, for his lessons in many things, practical and also on how to see and manage. To me, he will always be a grate Hero.

@@Dracoofthevas wow….that was mind blowing. There is something poetic or metaphoric when I read about the worm in the pea and sensing meat. I would have never picked that up. What a knowledgeable man! My blood boils when classmates I know put on social media that the US should experiment with communism. Seriously! I have known people who fled Communist rule in China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Hungary, Cuba, and Vietnam and are grateful to be citizens of the United States. They are grateful they were not executed or starved to death. Our country is not perfect, but we have systems and liberties and great grassroots leaders who want to see equity, equality, and ensure Justice prevails. I have heard that Eastern Europe was in chaos after the fall of the Soviet Union. Plenty of poverty and some of my classmates in elementary school were adopted by American family in the 90s. I am grateful my friend Horia was born in the States while his parents - who left Romania after the execution of Ceaușescu - were attending the University of Maryland and raise him only for him to attend UMD and now lives in Austin, Texas. I love story telling and literature because it is humanities. It is the genuine emotions and experiences. We should not dismiss or disregard others experiences just because we didn’t. That’s not empathetic

Wow this is amazing. He could write a book. I cant even fathom the sheer willpower it took to keep on living through that hell

Meh, it’s better than being held in a prison in imperial Russia. Or America. The mortality rates were much higher.

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Yes I agree it seems that soviet crimes are forgotten by west. I also don't get it why communism and Soviet Union is kind of meme now. It's trulely horrible system. Same or maybe even worse than nazism. Fortunately noone in my family was in Gulag, my great-grandfather fought in WW1 tho, in Austria-Hungarian Army :p Cheers from Poland

Oh wow

Hungarians in general forgot what is USSR thats why support russia

Literally watching a ‘western’ media video .. it’s Russians who forgot

I haven't forgotten.

kind of like how some police in USA operate...

@@Whatever-mx3bt except they are not hunting for slave labor

@@Whatever-mx3bt Jesus to compare soviet union atrocities to usa police force "atrocities". How delusional and childish can you be?

@@kat8753 in California they kinda do

@@imyourdaddy5822 in what way, all the homeless people laying around they shouldn't have a labor shortage and shoplifting isn't a crime in California anymore.

Or how bad the war crimes of the Japanese were.

Don't go saying that on Twitter though they seem to have a fondness for evil Mario

The media doesn’t talk about Stalin because they’re a bunch of socialists. They always use Hitler as if he was the only pos in the 20th century.

Stalin was worse than Hitler. We should've allied with Germany to take out the USSR and then set Germany right.

But instead of horror, its met with applaud and heroism

@@CLairsoftFTW the person never specified whether his grandfather was a nazi or not, just a german soldier. There were many german soldiers forced to fight in the war even if they werent a nazi. So i think it might be a bit rude to be glad that another persons family member suffered horribly

@@CLairsoftFTW you’re exactly the type of person that a nazi/communist regime would love to have guard their prisons and interrogate their criminals. Worse, you sound like you might even enjoy that kind of job. Hide your edge. It’s not cool or badass, it’s just making people cringe.

@@ConfusedGeriatric as a mixed race young man who absolutely despises communism I think you’d find Nazi/communist regimes would most definitely not want me anywhere near their prisons, or rather, guarding them, I’m sure they’d happily put me in them, nice try though pal. Same as this persons grandfather, as a German fighting for Hitler I couldn’t give a fuck if he agreed with him or not, if you’re not actively resisting evil and instead you’re facilitating it to save your own skin you’re not only evil you’re an evil coward, which is why I’m more than happy about that Nazi’s fate in the gulags

@@CLairsoftFTW it’s a metaphor. I’m saying you seem like you’d gladly sign up as an interrogator/guard against those you deem to be deserving, which you’re still supporting with your reply. That parallel is the danger. Hatred is temptation/cause to commit acts of violence. It doesn’t matter what the core values of the regime are, oppression is oppression and it’s achieved through the same means. I’m not calling you a nazi or a communist. But the way those regimes coerce people to commit heinous acts are through the same process of taking advantage of their hatred or sense of justice. The world is unfair and there are many things wrong with it, but more hatred just makes it worse.

@@ConfusedGeriatric but I wouldn’t, I think evil people should be punished, I wouldn’t just be evil for the sake of it, or based on orders. That’s what cowards do, I’m a very moral person. If you’re a child rapist I would hunt you down and kill you, if you’re a commie but haven’t hurt anyone then I’d battle you with words. You see… morality. The Germans had none in WW2, so they deserved no mercy.

That's also my favorite part in Call of Duty.

How can they escape when there are so many other guards? Would love to hear the whole story.

Yeah ture ​@PWW-gi5ng

To communism, life is worthless so long as it serves the state. Cue China…

If you really are baffled by how they devalue human life, I would encourage you to read "The Naked Communist" by Cleon Skousen. He explains communist beliefs and their lack of religion and how it affects their world views. Long story short: if there is no god, life is nothing more than a reaction caused by opposing molecular forces (like yin and yang), that all life struggles to assert itself (like plants making seeds), and since humans are the highest form of life ever recognized, we should use our intellect to create what is essentially a paradise on earth, and although billions of people may disagree, we can just kill them because it's worth it to make a better world. Just like you might rip out all the weeds in order to set the right stage to plant a glorious, beautiful, thriving garden, you might have to murder one or a hundred million or a billion people in order to set the right stage for an idyllic communist society, that being one in which you own nothing, have no value of your own life (proven by your non-stop volunteer efforts to further glorify communism), and hold the government's views as superior to all, be them familial or religious or whatever.

@@bigm9228 Putin still kills journalists today. It seems this never ends.

It's even more unbelievable people are stupid enough to want to take another shot at it.

@@HomelessOnline W. Cleon Skousen ? What is this Mccarthyism 2.0 ?

Korolev. Finally, he died because of his old jaw trauma which he got from policemen when he was in jail.

@@ivarkich1543 he had no jaw trauma, just check his last photos, it's a propaganda fiction

​@@alexsamilo2204 are you ivans so brainwashed everytime you come across something that disputes your view you scream "propaganda"? That's a terrible way to actually learn stuff.

not just at SOME times but right from the start. terminate the unwanted and problematic elements while getting the most out of them.

The Soviets reused the German concentration camps...many things the ussr did, the soviet judges blamed the germans in the court, this came to the public with the exposition of documents in 1989, the katyn massacre and the most famous of them, ironically , the two Soviet judges who signed Soviet crimes linked to Germany, are the same judges who signed the German concentration camp massacre...

“Sometimes”

Why would any nation at war keep a male prisoner of war alive?

@@khamzatchimaev65 labor...? Killing a capable person is a waste if you could instead get them to work for you before they die. Plus if you work them to death you don't need to spend resources killing them

How old are you?

"Russians are the scariest white people"

@@snorlaxxin8875 32 years old.

How did you meet him ?

​@@Sky-ip6mh his first few words say he met him at work

TLDR: Communism turns out to be toxic AF and never ever ever works.

It's a fictional story that has nothing to do with the reality

Вы серьёзно это ахинею читаете, граждане иностранцы? Да ведь это художественная книга, не основанная ни на одном архивном документе! Это ведь даже на первой странице написано, чёрт возьми! Как вы её читали? Вас пугают ужасными Советскими трудовыми лагерями и злобными коммунистами уже век, а вы и рады пугаться, закрывая глаза на то, что аналоги трудовых лагерей были даже в США в годы Великой депрессии. Почему ваши авторы не запишут видео про интернирование Японцев в годы Второй Мировой? Это ведь то же самое, что было в Советском Союзе, только у нас это называлось "депортацией", а у вас про вообще не принято говорить. Или это только СССР был такой плохой, а в остальных демократических странах такого не было? Почему не расскажут про дефарминг, но непременно расскажут про ужасную практику раскулачивания в СССР? Почему не расскажут про пытки в ЦРУ, но обязательно расскажут про пытки в НКВД? Почему не расскажут про повсеместный голод 1930ых годов, но расскажут про "голодомор" на Украине, хотя тогда голодала вся Европа? Почему не расскажут про полицейский беспредел, но расскажут про беспощадные тройки тридцатых годов? Почему не расскажут про рабство в США, но расскажут про отсутствие паспортов у крестьян в Советском Союзе? Почему не расскажут про расовую сегрегацию, но расскажут про кошмарное Еврейское дело 1948? Почему не расскажут про Маккартизм, но расскажут про репрессии в стране Советов? Почему не расскажут про условия жизни заключенных в тюрьмах Европы 20 века, но расскажут про жизнь заключенных в Советских трудовых лагерях (которым - о ужас! - ещё и заработную плату платили и давали награды за перевыполнение нормы выработки, после чего транспортировали на малую Родину)? Почему не расскажут про пропаганду консьюмеризма в капстранах, но расскажут про пропаганду в соцстранах? Почему не расскажут про агрессивную экспансионистскую политику других стран, но первостепенно расскажут про агрессивную экспансионистскую политику СССР? Почему не расскажут про ужасы белого террора, но расскажут про ужасы красного террора в годы Гражданской войны в России? Почему не расскажут про договоры о ненападении с Нацистской Германией в предвоенное время, но обязательно расскажут про Пакт Молотового-Риббентропа, подписанный уже после Пакта четырёх, Мюнхенского сговора и ряда аналогичных договоров с другими странами? Почему не расскажут про реальные зверства Нацистов на территории СССР, но обязательно расскажут про придуманные антикоммунистами миллионы изнасилованных немок? Почему не расскажут про богатства политиков и олигархов, но расскажут про вымышленные богатства Советской номенклатуры? Почему не расскажут про жестокость Черчилля в отношении Бенгальцев, но расскажут про жестокость Сталина в отношении Татар? Почему вам не расскажут про то, что безработицу можно победить, а еды с достатком хватает на всех жителей Земли, хотя каждый день человечество теряет по 40 тысяч человек в день? Почему не расскажут про то, что с нынешними технологиями в космос может летать каждый, а не только люди с большими сумками, наполненными деньгами? Почему не расскажут про проблемы с экологией и исчерпание Земных ресурсов, которые можно решить уже сейчас? Почему не расскажут про детское, трудовое и сексуальное рабство в 21 веке? Почему не расскажут про выгоду войн и терроризма, ведь без спонсирования они не продержатся и дня? Почему не расскажут про то, почему директор фирмы, в которой вы работаете, живёт в несколько десятков раз лучше вас, хотя вы трудитесь по 6 дней в неделю? Ответы на эти вопросы вы никогда не услышите из экрана телевизора или монитора своего персонального компьютера. Бойтесь и дальше злобного здания Главного Управления Лагерей - единственного в Москве, пока на улицах умирают миллионы ваших сограждан от результата большой политики антикоммунистов. Страшитесь злобного ига коммунизма, ведь он придёт за вашими деньгами и разорит ваши добрые корпорации, дав взамен ужасный нормированный восьмичасовой рабочий день с всеобщим пенсионным обеспечением, злыми профсоюзами и страшной бесплатной медициной и образованием. Пугайтесь, Русские и коммунисты ведь такие ужасные, не то что остальные люди 20 и 21 веков. Поэтому продолжайте работать и умирать, ничего не оставляя после себя в этом мире, кроме детей и непогашенных кредитов. И не забывайте радоваться: вы ведь живёте не при коммунистах...

You’ve attracted some paid Kremlin trolls, it seems.

@@militustoica Мне платить не надо - я и за бесплатно вам скажу всё, что думаю о лицемерии политиков и СМИ, да и в Кремле у нас сидят такие же лжецы. Ни на один вопрос из моего комментария выше вы так и не ответили.

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Wow, just like in America today

@@jessehutchings so sick of you people making these false equivalencies none of you have even had a taste of the hell those people had to endure yet you cry like you're oppressed. Take a trip to North Korea and do something like give a picture of Kim Jong Un the middle finger then see if you're still crying about how bad the US is.

@@KAT-dg6el💯 or teach them false truths

@mrs mucha my ancestors are in the same region, maybe we had them cross paths together😇God Bless you🙏✨

Same

How exactly?

I would have died of exposure on the train

Same, when they said they only gave salted fish as food at the trains, I was like “yeah I would have died there” I hate fish lol

@@abrahamramirez5725 Just a few days without food and you would eat all the fish you could get.

💯one thing the authorities can't stop the ppl from is generational knowledge/stories, God Bless you🙏✨

And communism is praised still as fascist are hated

@@yukijames1321 definitely not but the way communism is favored so much when it is virtually the same in ways of harmfulness is kinda sick and wrong

@@michaelplace4754 bit conflicting. First off there's alot of one sided information in this video. (They only ate salted fish, didn't have toilets etc were regular occurances for alot of russia at the time.) The people were rallied up in the streets (NKVD is the secret police and there's ample evidence in regards to the leader of NKVD actively working with facists to create enough of a police state surrounding enemies of the state, trotskyists etc. That they intentionally inflated numbers and inflated the threat to stalin directly as a way to subvert public trust in the existing government). Also gulags typically had 10 year maximums and the intention was 1st punishment but secondly to reform offenders to reintegrate into society and offer something worthwhile once they are back in society. Hence the soviet scholarship.programs for ex inmates. They don't refer to the low security gulags in which people were sent to other collectivized agricultural districts and given their own homes while being monitored by locals. Or the fact that at the worst point of NKVD oppression they still had less police per capita than modern day America. Obviously some gulags were abh9rrent and they deserve no special privilege but historical context is important as well because the worst of these were in the time period of massive hostility from outside forces while simultaneously facing internal struggle against the state. The us the uk Italy Germany and many other countries resorted to "camps" when dealing with such large threats. Why not put this into perspective and ask yourself why dead nazis are considered victims of communism? Or the low birth rate during a famine? Or even the Jewish people in concentration camps? Why are the victims of nazis simultaneously considered victims of communism? Why not ask yourself about how America itself was founded on 100 million dead and locals were paid hefty sums by their own government to scalp families? None of this adds up and I think it shows most of you don't care your peddling inflated bullshit.

@@michaelplace4754 and yes fuck facists.

The Soviets didn't like anyone. But they did like Vodka.

"Educated" and "owned businesses" isn't the classification they looked for. It was "capitalists that were willing to exploit their own people like they had been doing for over 100 years prior to the revolution"

@@karlmarx7511 My mother in law's family owned some shops in Latvia. They were just your average working people, ffs, and she was a child. And yes, professors, authors like Aleksander S. were targeted, social critics.

@@karlmarx7511 thats a long way of saying your under the age of 14

Reminds me of the Cambodian genocide

Like how "Humanitarian aid" train wagons arrived to my city...just to take our food away.

@@BichaelStevens what's the context of this?

I heard there were widespread rumors of vampires in black Volgas that popped up in cities during the 60s-70s and ended up spread by the KGB, either to scare kids into coming home on time or to explain what happens to people who dissapeared. It also made people terrified of The Black Volga and started a superstition around the car iirc

Russians repeat itself. Now gulag has new forms on occupied Ukrainian territories. Because no one in world didn't judged russian commies then. Now world see Russians do same with Ukrainians now. As broadcast. And world almost "tired" from noisy Ukrainians and from ignoring their lovely Russians. Btw, about Solzhenitsyn. In the Gulag most of the prisoners were political, other nations, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Tatars and so on. There was Russian minority (for ex. like Kuznetsov group who betrayed Kengir uprising) but Russians in general justify USSR regime. Perhaps cause most of the prison wardens were Russians. However. Solzhenitsyn collected testimonies of many prisoners, published under his own authorship, and sprinkled it with his own reflections to justify this regime, monopolized the voice of rebels in the USSR, got the Nobel Prize for someone else's hard life experience. Some witnesses had questions whether he was in camps at all. Westerners has blind spot when looks at USSR, Russia and russians. Thats why it repeats again

Very interesting if you have much more knowledge and some papers information you should maybe publish this it's a very very interesting thank you.

I'd be fascinated to know more about your grandfather's experience.

My grandmother's dying words put emphasis on the horrors of Communism. For my Catholic, Ethnic European paternal family, the Hebrew founded Communist regime was worse for them than the National Socialist German Workers Party. Both regimes were, at their core socialist and both brought death and destruction... War without end.

@@skyedog24 some of my second cousins have formed a group. We are scattered between four different continents and are trying to share as much between each other as possible. One of my grandfathers older sisters did write as much as she could about their experiences and she had in her possession documents and photos. I did interview my grandfather for a paper that I wrote when I was twelve That was when I learned more about what happened. Coincidentally one of my cousins proposed starting a blog today regarding some of this family history. The passport photos after they were out of the "gulag” are hard to look at.

u met an SS? crazy

@@KAT-dg6el Idk, there arent that many SS especially in the 80s thats actually connected to the Nazis is crazy for me, who only connection to Nazi germany are these pretty silver Nazi coin with the Nazi swastika. Just look at today, there are not many alive today who experienced ww2, let alone remember

@@TheEnabledDisabled The 80's was 40 years ago.

@@Dana-ie2bh Yeah, I'm so old, and that man, of course, isn't alive anymore.

@@Dana-ie2bh yeah and I am 20 years old

The Gulag Archipelago was a harrowing book...

Yes!

Worst

They’re both equally as bad.

Nobody worse than Woodrow Wilson...

Very sad for your grandfather

Imagine living in a world where you cast all of these personal stories aside as some "grand conspiracy" by the west. The west has its issues but at least we can talk about them openly.

Source: trust me bro

Blyatiful

And in a general sense, it is true. Not in this case of course. Never too young to contribute to your country.

The word you want is you're, not your.

@@irinavasserman7599 More like *never too young to be state indoctrinated into a slave for the ruling elites who act as if they are descendants of Pharaoh.

You're

no matter what atheists say, without God you can't have morality

God isn't real tho, humans are just terrible creatures by nature

@@scootza1 God is undoubtably real, humans sins are one of the proofs of revelation, without transcendance, man is left to either worship himself or the void that is present where God isn't.

@@spiffygonzales5899 LOL!

@@leeboy2k1 Or not worship anything and just try to be a good person, abide by the Golden Rule and all . . .

Given the right circumstances.... We are all capable of horrible, vicious, murderous deeds... It's just the absolute relative bliss and abundance that Makes those things so hard to comprehend. I mean .. I feel the same way as you .... But I am human..... And humas are capable of unthinkable things... Therefore I am capable of unthinkable things if pushed far enough.

@@thomaslove6494 I'd like to think I'd choose suicide over being so evil to so many.

@@patdonnelly9392 choice is an illusion when your entire life is torture

@@thomaslove6494 suicide is easy. It says so in the 'M*A*S*H*' movie.

@@patdonnelly9392 you don't know what you'd be like or chose to do to others if you were raised by psychopaths who did nothing but lie to and abuse you as grew up and warped your view of the world into a hate filled nightmare. What makes you think you are Christ reincarnated? How are you able to say you would have the fortitude and moral righteousness to do no harm after enduring a lifetime of pain and suffering you can't begin to imagine? You're lying to yourself if you think you are any different than worst the human race has ever produced. "The line between good and evil runs right through the heart of every man." It's somewhat genetic of course.... But your mild mannered demeanor is mostly due to circumstance.... And the fact you avoid going to places on the planet where murderous aggression is needed to survive.

it's on KZfaq

The same author wrote "The Cancer Ward" which hits just as hard

Too bad, Solzhenitsyn is a fictional writer and was never in a gulag himself

@@KingAGBozz Actually, he was. He criticized Stalin during WWII and was arrested. He spent time in labor camps but was eventually released when Khruschev was trying to dial back all the Stalinist policies of repression. "Ivan Denisovich" is a novel but was inspired by his own time in the camps as well as that of other dissidents.

@@KingAGBozz - Not only was he real, he was banished from the Soviet Union and wrote the Gulag Archipelago. He had a photographic memory that was proven after years that he remembered an amazing amount of details correctly.

Nice anecdote. How about a reference or citation.

Likewise with the communist inclined after the Finnish civil war. They fled to Russia only to be enslaved as not to spread any western ideas.

@@SetTrippin82 just goggle it and I'm sure the book title will come up... It was a library book from awhile ago

@@SetTrippin82 oh I did it myself The Forsaken: An American Tragedy in Stalin's Russia by Tim Tzouliadis 4.34 · Rating details · 957 ratings · 161 reviews A remarkable piece of forgotten history- the never-before-told story of Americans lured to Soviet Russia by the promise of jobs and better lives, only to meet tragic ends In 1934, a photograph was taken of a baseball team. These two rows of young men look like any group of American ballplayers, except perhaps for the Russian lettering on their jerseys. The players have lef

He wasn't exactly trusting of other Russians either.

Jesus rough :/ When people truly are desperate .

Source?

@@nightpandas7178 Drawings from the Gulag by Danzig Baldaev (2005), pg 167

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Это правда советский союз был действительно таким жестоким даже хуже чем фашисты . От начала своего существование и до развала. Ничего хорошего и светлого не было. Кровь, смерть и дикая нечеловеческая жестокость.

@@liberty5405 по большей части при Сталине да.

It amazes me that the old timers over there right now STILL miss it! :O

@@SoapinTrucker Stockholm syndromes

@@SoapinTrucker yes!! I remember the bread lines on the news when I was younger and they want to go back to that? Wow

@@SoapinTrucker Guess what? Not only "old timers" but the population in general miss it, and over half of Russians view Stalin in a positive light.

Большие очереди начались под конец существования СССР

And those that blindly follow far right egocentric cult leaders that never accept wrongdoing are destined to end up like Nazi Germany. Those that call the free press the enemy of the people, those that use the judicial system to target political rivals, those that challenge the judicial system of their country, that call foul play if they don’t get their way. Those that scapegoat ethnic and religious minorities. Those that bring forth conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. Those that incite violent assaults on their nation’s Capitol in order to stop the people’s business.

@@darthjarjar5309 They wouldn't have to bring up new conspiracy theories all the time if the old ones weren't continually being proven right. For example "there won't be a vaccine mandate". Look where we are at now.

@@AbsyntheAndTears youd be a great yoga instructor with that stretch

@@darthjarjar5309 you are aware Obama jailed more journalists than Trump ever did, right?

"Vaccine passports are Stalinism." Hot take of the year

Most soldiers (who were lucky enough to survive that long) were only released in 1953.

И ведь жив остался...

And "One day in the life of Ivan Denisovich". I read it as a kid, and it made an impression on me.

Why you care about russian prisoners. Russians repeat itself. Now gulag has new forms on occupied Ukrainian territories. Because no one in world didn't judged russian commies then. Now world see Russians do same with Ukrainians now. As broadcast. And world almost "tired" from noisy Ukrainians and from ignoring their lovely Russians.

Pfft look at prisons in Norway

@@KatieDeGo she said in comparison to Russia. Anywhere in Northern Europe has really relaxed prison systems. 12 year maximum for murder is rediculous

@@KatieDeGo apparently the nicest prison in the world is in norway

You got from a movie lol West Coast, US, resident. Prisonns are not 5 star here.

Don't forget the kulaks, Ukrainians, jews, Muslims, the Cossacks, the middle class, Priests, Christians, Buddhists, basically every people group that didn't cow tow to the central authorities

Hmm, the Russians didnt have mass industrialized killing. Not an excuse but rather different

Death machine regardless of lack of assembly line and ovens

Really Stalin just wanted to get all the use out of the people before they died due to conditions

Badass

Does anyone know what happened to the Gulag prisoners when some of the camps were overrun by the German Forces ? Seems likely the Nazis would have either exterminated them used them as slave labor or maybe even as mercinaries against the Soviets ?

..or working poor at McDonalds

@Robert Thomas, right because making $15/hour for bagging fries is literally the same as a gulag.

@@smokingcrab2290 lol!

@@robertthomas4234 You fool

@@smokingcrab2290 y'all ain't no working poor, no sense of humour neither, there upon the high horse of faux empathy for the long dead, innit? You backing the falsehood offered by a sloganeer?

It was better than an American prison or an imperial Russian prison. Mortality rates were much higher.

Or we could've seen an Apollo/Soyuz test around the Moon rather than simply around Earth. Or joint US/USSR Salyut missions.

And outright horrifying. It is tragic how little these atrocities are discussed.

There's a reason the Nazis fought so ruthlessly at the end of the war, conscripting children and getting even more rabidly unhinged in their war propaganda. Because they knew the fate that would await them if they surrendered to the Red Army. (To be fair, if anyone deserved the absolute hell of Soviet gulags it'd be the Nazis.)

Agreed. Do u know of any memoirs that show the full horror of the camps in the stalin era ? Thanks I will read them

@@mango11119 Most is written documents that align with lots and LOTS of testimonials from people who've fled. Gulag Archipelago is just a start. You look at other countries it even gets worse than that.

It was a picnic for Brits and Americans compared to Gulag..but terrible for Soviet POWs.

Stalin: Satan incarnate

Why what happened in Oklahoma?

@@maxmetodiev641 Oklahoma happened

@Max Metodiev, tornadoes and bugs

@@smokingcrab2290 Yeah, pretty much.

Anyone who's trying to take ur guns away is only doing so because they're planning to do something you should shoot them for.