@TheSnowscar It's no _emulation_ stop saying that, read into what Wine (on which Proton is built on) is. The name says it all: Wine (Wine is Not an Emulator). Quote: "Wine is a compatibility layer that duplicates Windows functions by providing alternative implementations of DLLs that Windows programs call as well as a process to replace the Windows NT kernel. When running a Windows application under Wine, no code emulation or virtualization occurs; emulation refers to the execution of compiled code intended for one processor (such as x86) by interpreting/recompiling software running on a different processor (such as PowerPC)."

@TheSnowscar I see. people who play old single player games are fine though since they run on wine just fine. welp for me games are for fun, old or new doesn't matter much as long as you have fun to me.

@TheSnowscar to be honest though people got to stop using Microsoft office. Libre office might not be a 1:1 replacement but Microsoft sure as hell need to go away. I mean what is the difference? macros ? right? people just gotta get used to new things rather than sticking to old Microsoft tools in my opinion. Besides pdfs were created so that people don't have to worry about what word processor they are using because they were supposed to open the same on every computer. so Microsoft word or power point really aren't necessary. people can get used to other stuff, they just don't . Microsoft excel i am not sure. I mean expecting anyone to learn anything in this day and age is stupid where everyone has laptops but still some don't know what add or remove program is on windows or the fact that everyone has phones but not everyone is aware of file explorers.

@TheSnowscar Not really Stamina, Luna, Steam deck are linux. PS3,4,5 is base on BSD (another unix like os), MacOS is unix like, Linux is unix like. Android is based on linux kernel so unix like. Chromebook is basicall linux. Pretty much everything is either linux of unix like. Windows exist because it comes pre-installed on most systems.

@TheSnowscar I can play the majority of the games in my Steam library without issue or incovenience. Native games aren't viable but Proton is mature and Vulkan is cross-platform so native builds aren't required and gaming on Linux is viable. It even has some advantages as games loading faster due to EXT4 (and others) being superior to NTFS.

As a company with over 500 desktops/servers and with the majority of those being Linux, I can say that while I would prefer to have Linux everywhere, Windows still works best in the business world for one major reason. Their central management, and by that I mainly mean Active Directory and Group Policy. Linux, in general, does not have this. Sure there are many many options out there like Ansible, puppet, etc. that allow you to manage Linux computers from a more central system but there is really nothing like AD or GP for the Linux realm. Being able to sit down at any domain controlled computer that I've never used before and have my account immediately setup with all of the permissions, policies, mapped network drives, etc. is so extremely useful. I know some Linux distros can connect to AD and you can control some elements but its not as useful or feature rich as Windows' integration with AD/GP. Having said all that, Linux (Mint for desktop and Ubuntu for Server) is still my preferred OS and has been for over 13 years. I really would love to see more central management and business features in Linux as you do in Windows one day. Perhaps, with Microsoft embracing Linux and open source more and more, then one day maybe they'll go the same route as Apple and switch their OS over to a Linux/BSD core. If so then maybe we would see better integration with AD/GP in the general Linux realm.

Agreed. Linux, in general, requires the user to get their hands dirty however that is changing more and more each year. Looking at Ubuntu desktop for instance, in the last 13+ years I can say from my own professional experience and 5+ years personally experience before that, that it is so much more user friendly now then it was then. You still need to run commands a fair amount but that is slowly disappearing. Oft times you can just install a .deb file almost as easy as a .exe. Just download it, double click it and boom it installs. If anything, it's almost easier as the package manager will often automatically download any additional packages needed unlike a windows program that requires you to go manually download java or .net 4.5 and install it for instance. I still prefer "sudo dpkg -i package.deb" but that's just because it's what I am used to. Honestly, for someone that is looking to only use the browser and that's it? I think Linux would be perfect for them. Far less bloatware or overhead than it's Windows counterpart. Updates are typically less intrusive and aggressive which would mean they are more likely to be done unlike Windows which is universally hated for it's updates. You delay the updates as long as possible because it takes forever to run the update and you usually can't use the PC during the update. And with 7/8/8.1's upgrade to 10 and likewise 10 upgrading to 11, you're nagged and all but forced to upgrade the OS to the latest version even if you don't want to. So for many people (thinking elderly here for the most part but other less tech savvy too) wake up to a new, and totally different, desktop and are confused and frustrated by the experience.

The average user isn’t someone who just got their first computer, though.

good point. I mis-wrote. I was really thinking of "new" users, which is something all users either were, or will be

the fact that you said "last best" means you probably shouldn't be arguing about this complicated topic

@@luckytbda Eat my shorts.

Notice how you said blender and nothing else, while listing all the important stuff for windows. Because that’s the only decent high-end photo video software. I’d argue blender is not high end either. It’s great for even advanced small time users, but blender can’t match other paid software on windows for big studio level work

@@bignades1 Yeah, I could have talked about stuff like video editing software (Avid, Premier, etc), and some compositing software such as After Effects. But, in my day to day, the experience I have is with the software mentioned. You could have a studio completely in Windows for sure, but there's some cases (cost, performance, and ease of development/managing) that generally makes Linux come out on top. There are some cases where you have to have Windows (Photoshop and ZBrush), so yes it is impossible to have a fully Linux studio unless you replace Photoshop with something like Krita and ZBrush for something like Blender's sculpting. Also, I'd say the debate on whether Blender is better or worse than Maya is probably a debate that'll last forever. There's some cases where you'd probably want to reach for Maya, and some cases where you probably want to reach for Blender, but that's up to which software has better tools for what you need. Hopefully that clarifies my point a bit. But, to sum it up, I think that "Linux isn't for high-end photo/video software" isn't 100% accurate. If you're only focusing on editing photos or editing videos, then sure it is fairly accurate. But, if you are considering stuff like 3d content creation, then it isn't accurate.

I use Divinci resolve and love it on Linux. I use the mainconcept resolve plug in and it resolved (sorry😝) some of the native render profiles limited in Linux version of resolve.

Isn't Xbox on Windows?

@@Fytrzaczek21 It would be funny if Xbox was Linux.

CLI > GUI

@@isuckatthisgame totaly agree but not for below average users

@@TheRaphael0000 Agreed. I would rather be in CLI over GUI but I've been working with Linux personally and professionally for 15+ years. I noted in another comment that, if the user is primarily looking for a browser, Linux is a better option. Lower overhead, less bloat as EM noted. Bootup is typically faster, updates are less intrusive and are often nearly transparent. Typically you don't even know your Linux desktop has updated, and even if it does do an update requiring a reboot it doesn't decide to reboot for you. Not only that but when you do reboot it's almost as if the update didn't happen. The way it installs and stages kernels and other major updates that may require a reboot, the system just uses the new kernel and moves on with it's life. Non of this "please wait while we install updates (for the next several minutes or hours)" which typically leads to people not wanting to do updates for fear of having to wait forever for the computer to finish updating.

For sure Linux *can* do it, it's just not designed for it. In other words, if someone were to say "EM, I want to play PC games, what operating system should I get?" I would of course recommend Windows.

that is more then 3000 as the last numbers, so the next number in this month is ca. 5000, that this speed, the steam deck can run all the common to rare games people play at dec. for the salgs, so next will see most of the games release for Linux too.

@@EngineerMan at this point, many of the games run better on Linux then on Windows, so i would ask them if they play some of the multiplayer games that, a small list of games still don't enable Anti-cheat under Linux, because they make money of the user's data, and only Linux they can only see the wine bottle with no data. if they play any of this spyware then they need windows for now, but things is up in the air, they all want to be on the steam deck.

he has no idea what he is talking about

We all know the experience ones get playing games on windows vs linux. Yes there are ways to play games on linux but it doesn't always work.

.NET MAUI doesn't have support for Linux

@Watcher yup, you are much better off with Alvonia

The average user IS a MS Windows user, not even Mac OS puts a dent on the number of Windows users. That's why most desktop oriented distros model their GUI around that appearence.

@@alejandrinos The average user in today's world is an Android user. Many, especially in emerging economies, have little or no experience with traditional desktop operating systems. That aside (and I can see where you are coming from), if we are to believe the last point, we wouldn't consider Linux for an "average person" who hasn't used a modern desktop computer before. It's important that we don't make that mistake. I didn't, when introducing my father to the world of desktop computers, and he was just fine with Ubuntu. It also has implications for what we teach in schools, and what the next generation will use.

@` i've never seen discover on kubuntu apply a distro upgrade. that's what grammas will expect. i hold fast to my opinon that linux is just not gonna ever be for grammas. primarily based on the apps available on linux. which is severely limited due to the nightmare of app distribution on linux-ES.