DEBIAN 12: more relevant than ever as a Linux desktop
Рет қаралды 191,944
Күн бұрынCheck out TuxCare's newsletter for news about Linux security: bit.ly/3N2POWc
Grab a brand new laptop or desktop running Linux: www.tuxedocomputers.com/en#
👏 SUPPORT THE CHANNEL:
Get access to a weekly podcast, vote on the next topics I cover, and get your name in the credits:
KZfaq: www.youtube.com/@thelinuxexp/...
Patreon: / thelinuxexperiment
Liberapay: liberapay.com/TheLinuxExperim...
Or, you can donate whatever you want: paypal.me/thelinuxexp
👕 GET TLE MERCH
Support the channel AND get cool new gear: the-linux-experiment.creator-...
🎙️ LINUX AND OPEN SOURCE NEWS PODCAST:
Listen to the latest Linux and open source news, with more in depth coverage, and ad-free! podcast.thelinuxexp.com
🏆 FOLLOW ME ELSEWHERE:
Website: thelinuxexp.com
Mastodon: mastodon.social/web/@thelinuxEXP
Pixelfed: pixelfed.social/TLENick
PeerTube: tilvids.com/c/thelinuxexperim...
Matrix: matrix.to/#/#the-linux-experiment:mozilla.org
Discord: / discord
#Debian #Linux #bookworm
00:00 Intro
00:38 Sponsor: Check out TuxCare's newsletter for news about Linux security
01:24 Debian 12 Stable
02:17 Not completely FOSS anymore
04:24 Desktops: not that outdated
09:16 Apps and packages
11:14 Who it's NOT for
13:02 Debian 12 is a great desktop
14:33 Sponsor: Get a PC that runs Linux perfectly
15:25 Support the channel
KDE Plasma 5.27 video: • KDE PLASMA 5.27: the b...
GNOME 43 video: • GNOME 43: building a b...
GNOME 44 video: • GNOME 44 Review: the o...
So, to begin with, Debian 12 moves away from its pure "FOSS" roots. Debian 12 now enables the non-free firmware repo by default IF Debian detects you'll need it on your computer. Just know it's possible to disable this during the boot process.
Debian 12 actually splits non free software into 2 different repos: non-free, which is for packages and apps that don't conform to Debian's guidelines on free and open source software, and non free firmware, which is the same thing, but specifically for drivers and firmware.
Debian isn't generally known for shipping the very latest and greatest desktop environments, but Debian 12 isn't far off. For Plasma users, you get the very latest, KDE 5.27, with all its bug fixes and updates, which means you're not missing out on anything.
If you were using Debian 11, you were using KDE 5.20, so you're jumping a full 7 versions ahead, which means your experience will be drastically better, whatever your use case.
If you're a GNOME user, you'll get GNOME 43, which isn't the latest, but GNOME 44 wasn't a huge update by any means. If you were using Debian 11, you were on GNOME 3.38, which means you'll get a whole 4 new versions worth of features, support, performance improvements.
Of course, Debian 12 also updates virtually every single package and app they ship. You get the LTS kernel version 6.1, and you get the Mesa drivers 22.3, and the nvidia drivers 525.
All in all, 67% of packages were updated from Debian 11, and the repos now include 11000 new packages as well, for a total of more than 64 000.
Of course, Debian 12 isn't a desktop for everyone. If your use case is "I like using the very latest thing", then obviously, it's not for you. If you want the most beginner friendly distro, while Debian isn't a bad choice; it's also not the easiest. If you want to game on Linux, Debian will also not be your first choice.
In the past, I would never have recommended Debian Stable as a desktop for most users. It was too old, too outdated, the older applications in its repos were just not a great experience, and Flatpak wasn't super well supported. Older desktop environments were also lackluster, as each new release brought some crucial improvements that you really couldn't do without.
With the maturity of formats like Flatpak, snaps or AppImages, you don't have to care about what versions of apps are in your repos. If you need something newer, you can get it, without adding a third party repo that might mess up your system's dependencies and shared libraries.
And desktop environments on Linux are now very mature, which means using a 6 month to 2 year old desktop isn't a dealbreaker anymore.
And of course, Debian stable won't be for everyone. Tinkerers, enthusiasts, hobbyists, and people who like to game won't find what they want in Debian 12. But for anyone who just wants a computer that works reliably, day after day, without failed updates or stuff that randomly breaks, Debian 12 is an obvious choice. In terms of combining stability, software availability, and now, hardware support, nothing comes close.
@TheLinuxEXP 11 ай бұрын
Check out TuxCare's newsletter for news about Linux security: bit.ly/3N2POWc
@nomadhgnis9425 11 ай бұрын
they disabled the transparent slider in the debian 12 mate panel settings. I am doing my own spinoff for christians with customization. This modification is causing problems for my theme. I hope the fix it before they release the final thing.
@fredashay 10 ай бұрын
Why am I not allowed to so much as mention M1nt in your comment section?
@Little-bird-told-me 10 ай бұрын
As a POPos user I have been facing some issues lately like bluetooth disconnecting intermittently and mouse(wireless) not connecting during startup. So I decided to give Arch-Gnome a try and I love it. I find Debian too dated for my use case for eg I use nvim and it still runs on version 0.6 (in Debian) which doesn't have lua support like in 0.9. These minor issue can be fixed through Flatpaks but I guess for very basic softwares like vim I should not rely on Flatpak (imho) as it is hard to figure out the XDG path in flatpak builds(i am a noob) . Debian is Great but Arch seems to be more focused on home use and Debian on server use. I may be wrong as I am most often.
@user-rw2tw8yl4l 8 ай бұрын
HEY DUDE i have this exact computer and i already removed the spinning disk hdd for a similar sized SSD. BUT when i tried installing debian i had problems logging in SO i installed elementry os instead and now similar log in problems. I STILL get the apple ON SOUND so i suspect some firmware is borking my linux log ins. i was able to use both linux installs for several log ins and ownloaded browsers , updated both systems BUT now a week later it keeps asking me for my root or username login while still in terminal and then it just leaves me hanging at a terminal bash flashing cursor and i have no idea what to do? AM i supposed to modify the firmware to use linux w/o any problems? i honestly have no insterest in ever using mac os as we have a ten yr newer mac thats actually already slower than this one since my bro just reinstalled mac os on here before i started this.
@a_nicegaming 7 ай бұрын
Can someone help me when i install debian 12 on my hp all-in-one it just stops in configuring apt
@piusbird 11 ай бұрын
Former Debian contributer here.The installer moves very slowly in terms of graphics. This is because the iso can't ship a display server for technical reasons related to memory usage limits, basically the installer wants to run in as little ram as possible. 64MB or less was the target last i looked. So all the graphics are being drawn on the kernel framebuffer in vesa mode iirc. Part of being the Universal Operating System involves not breaking the experience for users on older hardware if we don't have too
@TheLinuxEXP 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation!
@pylotlight 11 ай бұрын
There should be a spin/iso separate for a better graphical installer or something :P
@qdaniele97 11 ай бұрын
@@pylotlight the best graphic is that of the non-graphical installer 😎
@piusbird 11 ай бұрын
@@pylotlight The Debian people are always open to new volunteers, and new proposals, but keep in mind almost nothing gets done in Debian with out a working prototype. The entire distro is managed with less then 1000 volunteers most of whom aren't paid. jamming a display server on the netinst and first iso, is no easy feat. The early Ubuntu devs tried it back in 05-06 range, couldn't do it, and ended up forking off some code from an outfit called morphos to create the livecd environment and then writing a new installer completely. It might be doable with wayland nowadays, but you ain't getting X11 on there I can tell you that. Sorry for the long winded war story. Wasn't even my war i just watched it happen on irc.
@patrik5123 11 ай бұрын
@@pylotlight Oh god... no. Silly fragmentation like that is not a good dev experience.
@maikeru6158 11 ай бұрын
Pretty funny that debian stable now has a newer kernel than mint
@edmundt.buckley6858 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it is funny. Clem was asked about whether 6.1 would be offered in the upcoming 21.2 release on the blog, but I never saw any answer made.
@alanctomy 11 ай бұрын
@@edmundt.buckley6858 ❤
11 ай бұрын
Debian +xfce will always have a special place in my heart.
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked 11 ай бұрын
I prefer the full version, but to each their own. Ubuntu is great, without the Snapd, and add Bleachbit, Preload, TLS, and Stacer. (;
@2001DavidBowman 11 ай бұрын
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunkedAre you implying that Ubuntu is the "full version" of Debian? Come on man, Ubuntu is the lamest Linux distribution ever
@Nixdigo 11 ай бұрын
Like Arch and i3
@orca_ball 10 ай бұрын
what is the difference between choosing multiple DEs in Debian and only 1? which is better and why?
@trueriver1950 10 ай бұрын
Mine also
@pw1187 11 ай бұрын
The hardest part about Debian is trying to find the right iso😅
@TheLinuxEXP 11 ай бұрын
Their website is… not great
@alex84632 11 ай бұрын
Now that the official ISO includes non-free firmware, it should be a lot easier
@1pcfred 11 ай бұрын
I use the net install.
@ominoussage 11 ай бұрын
@@1pcfred used it too before but it failed to detect my wifi. Wasn't a great experience
@guillermoch 11 ай бұрын
@@alex84632 there were (there are) (un)official isos with non free firmware... Not that easy to find in the site. I always googled "debian iso non free firmware" to get there.
@user-ps5up3og2h 11 ай бұрын
It's important to note that updated versions of some of the software, including the Linux kernel, are available in the official Debian backports repository. I'm currently running kernel 6.1 on Debian 11 which came with 5.10 out of the box. New flatpak, libreoffice and such are also available there if needed. So using Debian stable with the availability of flatpak *and* backports is way easier than it used to be: you still have a rock solid base which doesn't suddenly break on you because some GRUB or systemd stuff got an update, but selected apps can be updated to their newest versions if needed. It's also worth mentioning that if one wants something close to latest and greatest then there's Debian unstable branch which contrary to its name is no less stable than e.g. Arch. Great for enthusiasts and Linux youtubers :).
@DavidCoutinhoCG 11 ай бұрын
im in the same condition as you, LMDE 5 based on Debian 11 with kernel 6.1
@raandomplayer8589 11 ай бұрын
anything is more stable than arch
@ybenax 11 ай бұрын
There's also Debian Testing (named "Trixie" once Bookworm stable is officially released), which would be like running something akin semi-rolling, similar to Fedora. Debian defaults to stable, but you really have a lot of options in terms of how on edge you want to run it; that's what I love about Debian- you always have all the choices available for you within the same system. -edit: typo
@benign4823 11 ай бұрын
Stable means software versions don't change much, that is what makes Arch "unstable". By that definition Debian Sid is just as unstable. If we're talking about "unstable" in the sense that the system might break on you then Sid is way more unstable than Arch from experience. Not only that but on Arch you can check their mainpage in case something requires manual intervention, Debian doesn't have that.
@user-ps5up3og2h 11 ай бұрын
@@benign4823 > If we're talking about "unstable" in the sense that the system might break on you then Sid is way more unstable than Arch from experience. One person's experience is too small of a sample size to matter in a grand scheme of things. So let's put personal experience aside and concentrate on technical factual data. Arch doesn't support partial upgrades: you are supposed to upgrade everything at once or not upgrade at all, otherwise you should expect breakages. And that's a problem because new software versions may have grave bugs, and the only supported way of keeping the old working version is not upgrading at all meaning that _everything else_ doesn't receive bug and security fixes. Debian practices allow holding packages back without breaking other stuff thanks to automatic versioned dependencies against shared libraries. Arch kernel upgrades overwrite currently running kernel wiping its modules which make the running system half-borked until a reboot. For example, inserting a USB drive may not work as it requires a kernel module to be loaded and the only one available is from a different kernel version and therefor fails to load. Also, if new kernel doesn't boot then you don't have a backup unless you prepared one in advance yourself, and the only way of fixing will be booting from a live media and manually reinstalling the kernel from there. Most other distributions, including Debian, save a few previous kernels installed in case you have an issue with the new one, so you always have a working backup kernel available. Debian also has apt-listbugs. It integrates into apt and checks the bugtracker for serious bugs for all packages which are being installed or upgraded. User has a choice of ignoring specific bugs (and they will not be nagged about again), or _dodging_ them: that package is held back and pinned at its current working version, and only when that bug is fixed and the fixed version is uploaded to repository then the pin is automatically removed and that package is allowed to be upgraded. Such an easy way of not having to deal with like 80% of serious issues appearing in new software versions! AFAIK Arch doesn't have anything similar. The list goes on and on. I get that you're using Arch BTW, but there's a reason Debian turns 30 later this year and is still going strong.
@think3rofficial 11 ай бұрын
Debian 12 user here: It’s amazing! Truly, it’s actually so much better than Ubuntu and it’s super easy to use
@archpenguin6646 11 ай бұрын
I concur!
@1pcfred 11 ай бұрын
Debian is always the best. If there was something better I'd be running that.
@DavidCoutinhoCG 11 ай бұрын
im waiting the release day after tomorrow in June 10, im anxious.
@ShadoMoosess 11 ай бұрын
@@1pcfred Fedora is pretty good, but DNF can be sooo slow, even if you modify how many concurrent downloads are going on, etc.
@pw1187 11 ай бұрын
Yep I agree IMO just choose the big 3....Debian, Arch or Fedora And go from there all the other distros are just noise Right now I am running Debian 12 and its not bad at all
@collectorguy3919 11 ай бұрын
Debian's motto is "The Universal Operating System", so the installer has to work on every sort of system out there, assuming as little as possible about the hardware. They have their priorities right. Fashion trends are not important immediately, but a good installer will give users options to get there. They have live images too.
@toma.cnc1 11 ай бұрын
Debian 12 also officially supports LinuxCNC, the open source software for CNC machine control, be it a laser, mill, lathe, and even 6 DOF robots, well anything up to 9 axis, and about a gazillion inputs and outputs! 😃
@arnox4554 10 ай бұрын
Oh cool! Are you guys using LinuxCNC more in industry now?
@alternatuber6698 11 ай бұрын
Debian gets better!
@reubenralph 11 ай бұрын
Tell me how I should encourage my family to switch to Linux after Windows 10 Support ends in 2025. I can't throw all hardware in the garbage 🤔
@TheBunnyMan 11 ай бұрын
@@reubenralph If they won't switch make it into servers, give the hardware a new use!
@Vancha112 11 ай бұрын
@@reubenralph tell them it's windows 11
@reubenralph 11 ай бұрын
@@Vancha112 😂👍
@ceterfo 11 ай бұрын
@@reubenralph "hey let's not spend another 1-10k we don't need to."
@Captain_Rimmer 11 ай бұрын
As a Debian user, I found this overview of Debian 12 to be very thorough and informative. It is one of the best I have seen. Great job.
@moistness482 11 ай бұрын
I was already strongly considering going to Debian 12 after it finally got released, and this video solidifies that decision. It was the first distro I was running and the distro I ran for the longest before starting to distrohop like crazy. But looking back, I can value some of the simplicity Debian gave me. Outdated packages were never a problem, maybe they couldn't do all the fancy sh*t that I never ended up using anyway on my rolling release desktops, but they did the job, and did it well.
@orca_ball 10 ай бұрын
what is the difference between choosing multiple DEs in Debian and only 1? which is better and why?
@user-sm5ey8mf8v 7 ай бұрын
@@orca_ballkde and gnome is goat. For old pc I would recommend lxqt
@Winston_Payne 11 ай бұрын
I've been using Bookworm with KDE for a few weeks and have been loving it. Wayland on KDE isn't quite where I need it to be yet, so I'm still using X11 (and will need to through Debian 13, at least). Otherwise, no complaints! Debian is fantastic when you just need a system that works the same way every time you turn it on. You're locked into certain bugs through each release, but you can at least rest easy knowing that you won't see any new bugs pop up at the worst possible moment (especially and including bugs which could potentially render your system unusable).
@alexstone691 11 ай бұрын
What in particular is not working for you on kde wayland? I found it a pretty pleasant experience
@Winston_Payne 11 ай бұрын
@@alexstone691 The biggest issue was that I was getting random kwin crashes from time to time; I don't think X11 has crashed once on me with extensive usage. There were also just a bunch of weird, little things that make quality of life worse. Just 2 examples: - If I launch LibreOffice while it's a pinned icon on the task manager, it opens up a new icon instead of remaining under the active icon (the same goes for Chromium progressive web apps). - If you tile two windows side by side (left/right sides of screen) and the left window is active, there's a huge unclickable area for the right window near the shadow of the left window. Because of my peculiar workflow, this in particular is a deal-breaker.
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked 11 ай бұрын
Flatpak doesn't work for me. However, Nala is better anyways.
@eddieoconnor4466 11 ай бұрын
True story: I was assisting someone who wanted to move away from Windows since their Windows XP computer was long in the tooth....I showed this person Linux Mint.....ZorinOS....Pop-OS....Fedora....Ubuntu....OpenSuse...and KDE Neon....and when they kept asking me "what else ya got"?...I finally just showed them Debian 11....I then showed him the LXqT....LxDE....Cinnamon......Gnome......XFCE desktops....and when I showed him MATE?...he chose THAT running Debian 11. Sometimes it doesn't have to be flashy?....it has to be comprehensible to the user. He had no problem using LibreOffice...Firefox..and eVince PDF reader...now?...he calls me almost every few months to thank me profusely for making his PC "a joy to use" again! So while I happen to be a "Fedoran" for LIFE?...there are some folks out there who don't need the bright, flashy stuff....they just need an OS that makes them productive again without getting in the way.
@Linux_ASMR 11 ай бұрын
Being able to pick your desktop environment when installing debian is very convenient. I wish more mainstream distros did so.
@1pcfred 11 ай бұрын
I install the Window Manager I use after the initial install. I console boot. I don't run a Display Manager. On initial reboot my PC comes up in the console. Then I install a temporary Window Manager and work in that to setup my system. It is more involved but I like the finer control.
@aleclowry7654 9 ай бұрын
@@1pcfredreal chads use tmux as their wm
@balala4641 9 ай бұрын
@@aleclowry7654 gigachads use Twin
@thejonte 11 ай бұрын
Wow! Looking forward to watching this new Linux Experiment video!
@RobotoSkunk 11 ай бұрын
I've installed Debian 12 a few weeks ago and it has been the best choice for me. Even I've used Fedora for a time, but I had a lot of issues with Nvidia and some packages I needed. Obviously I have switched the APT repostories from bookworm to testing to get the lastest packages after installing it
@peacemekka 11 ай бұрын
Someone somewhere had warned me from directly using the testing repo. I guess thats why I used the codename for the next version instead of the 'testing' repository. I think the reason for it was constant updates flooding in or something. If using testing is good enough long term then I might switch too! :)
@ApeironTsuka 11 ай бұрын
@@peacemekka The 'testing' (as well as testing-updates and testing-security) repo is just a link to whatever the next codename version repo is as far as I can recall, so in this case+time of posting, 'testing' is the same as Bookworm until 'stable' gets pointed there when it releases and 'testing' gets pointed to the new codename and the cycle repeats. Edit: Also add non-free-firmware for Bookworm and beyond if you're using eg firmware-realtek, firmware-iwlwifi, or other firmware that was in non-free. The firmware has been split out into a separate non-free-firmware repo starting with Bookworm.
@jeefonyoutube 11 ай бұрын
Been running debian sid for years. Highly recommend
@peacemekka 11 ай бұрын
Is that the unstable repo?
@aintnochange 11 ай бұрын
@@peacemekka it is
@bitfy1461 11 ай бұрын
same here, I can't glorify it enough
@Stevos-Corner 3 ай бұрын
@jeefonyoutube Gday mate. Are you running Nvidia driver on Sid? Do you recommend it. I’ve got a thinkpad Workstation P50 with dual graphics. I’m not a gamer though.
@fly1ngsh33p7 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! _Finally_ the release is in sight ^^ and thank you for showing me the Synaptic Package Manager. It had a three-clicks-solution for my "held back package"-problem :D
@skirnir393 11 ай бұрын
A cool feature added in gnome 42 is the ability to extend your monitor as a virtual display via RDP, so you can use a tablet as a secondary screen.
@BiserAngelov1 11 ай бұрын
Just upgraded from Bullseye, everything went smoothly.
@DrathVader 11 ай бұрын
I had this idea for a while now - rock stable and slow-moving Debian base with flatpaks for user applications, but I never could be bothered to actually format my SSD and test it. Thanks for checking it out!
@alexstone691 11 ай бұрын
Same idea but i am thinking of going even older with almalinux, ive been using silverblue with basically everythinf in a container or a flatpak and i had no issues except few apps
@KnightRiderOfVoid 11 ай бұрын
Been using that for years, 98% jas worked without issue. Only my old wifi module had formware issues but got it manually and it's been rock solid
@peacemekka 11 ай бұрын
Flatpaks eat a shit ton of space though.
@alexstone691 11 ай бұрын
@@peacemekka i have a 120gb ssd and honestly have not noticed
@peacemekka 11 ай бұрын
@@alexstone691 if you've got the storage to spare then cool. But me personally I feel paranoid when I see flatpak dependencies installing(the size of each! especially when I see an app that is a few megabytes by itself but pulling a ~400mb gnome dependency!). Sure a few apps are cool but it quickly escalates when you have a lot of apps. I do use flatpaks, but I always prefer a distro native package over them.
@natanielfarzan 11 ай бұрын
Perfect timing! I was just considering switching to Debian for more stability compared to a rolling release distro. I'm still on the fence, because I have gotten used to always having the latest packages, but this video certainly helps!
@michaelgautier 11 ай бұрын
Truly enjoyed this video. I think Debian and the team that builds it represents the high bar in technology collaboration and impact. Open source and free software continues to drive innovation and your excellent presentation has made Linux a more relatable concept.
@eclipse2445 11 ай бұрын
honestly it’s great to see debian get an upgrade, even though I don’t use debian at all. I personally go to arch, but watch fedora changes- if a new technology is good enough for fedora, I’m adopting it
@Jp-ml3jo 11 ай бұрын
Tu as nommé un chapitre "Debian 21 is a great desktop" I was looking for this video, using debian unstable since january and didn't have any problem until now! My favorite distro by far. Stable vanilla experience, up to date desktops and deb ecosystem. Thanks for the video
@TheLinuxEXP 11 ай бұрын
Woops, I’ll fix that!
@noerlol 11 ай бұрын
@@TheLinuxEXP lol
@xfgdf 11 ай бұрын
wen dabion 22 eta?
@alessandrooliveira497 11 ай бұрын
I was distrohopping much more than the usual this whole year. Decided to come back to Debian since Debian 9 and to give it a try to Debian 12 Testing and oh god, I'm feeling like I came back home after travelling for a long time
@1pcfred 11 ай бұрын
Debian is where old Linux users go to retire.
@LaczPro 11 ай бұрын
It's good to see some love to the base of basically all the distros I've used. I don't even remember when it was the last time I used Debian and, because of that, I saw some things in the video that got me like "Wow, they seriously didn't change that one". But everything else looks kinda current.
@cobaltsashu 11 ай бұрын
Great to see Nick showcasing this amazing Linux distro! Debian 12 looks like a great release, and I'll probably try LMDE 6 when it comes out (based on Debian 12). Having the non-free firmware included in the official ISO means that people new to Debian won't accidentally download a free software-only ISO, and have missing drivers. To make Debian a bit more beginner-friendly, they just need a driver manager (for Nvidia graphics), localisation manager, and a graphical upgrade tool (assuming Gnome Software and KDE Discover can't already do distro upgrades for Debian). Hopefully we'll see these things in the future. The Debian live ISOs have the Calamares installer, which you can use instead of the classic Debian installer. You can launch Calamares after booting into the live environment. Calamares doesn't have as many features compared to the Debian installer, but it's easier to use I guess.
@ricardog.s2505 10 ай бұрын
LMDE is amazing, I will switch back to LMDE 6 to it when it does comes out
@legojenn 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review, I've been using Linux since 1999. While I was studying computer science, I used Slackware. Debian was the other one that I was willing to consider, but I never did. Slackware did everything I needed. After finishing college , I worked in a Microsoft shop and used Macs at home. Now, I'm using Mint and love it and regret not using Debian all those years ago. The learning back then would have helped me now. That being said, I have and old MacBook Air with Slackware 15. I love going to the command line doomby-doombing out changes to config file and keeping on going.
@kbhasi 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video! I've been testing pre-release builds of Debian 12 on their testing branch on a secondary PC, but with it being officially released on the stable branch, I have a 'GO' signal to go ahead and update my servers, all of which currently run Debian 10! (I usually stick to even-numbered Debian and Devuan releases)
@neilsmith9473 10 ай бұрын
I'm absolutely loving Debian 12 with Gnome and backports. My ideal distro; the one I've been dreaming of for years. Stable, good looking and it's easy to use the latest versions of apps by way of Backports and Flatpak. I really couldn't ask for more.
@AdamS-lo9mr 11 ай бұрын
I'm actually considering switching because the sheer update frequency on fedora and the fact that it forces you to restart if you do it through the app center is pretty annoying. I also mostly use flatpaks now with a few exceptions.
@Cptnbond 11 ай бұрын
Thanks, Nick, for an honest and balanced review. After I started my Linux journey, almost two decades ago, I constantly switched between Ubuntu and Debian releases. However, when the latter resolved enough number of manual 'fixes', I have never been disappointed with any new Debian releases. It's perfect on the server, or on the desktop. Cheers.
@noerlol 11 ай бұрын
Ok
@sandrodellisanti1139 11 ай бұрын
Debian was my first Linux experience in late 1998, i've used windowmaker at first, then enlightenment.. and right now i'm using Debian 12 since 3 months or so.. many greetings from Brunswick in Germany 🙂
@lcoudeur 11 ай бұрын
I have been on debian since 10 and moved to testing a few month back as I needed better camera support. I use cinamon from my mint days. Happy with this release (as I am using it for a few month. I have a laptop with fedora 38 which is fine for the little use I have for it.
@Sg2hck 11 ай бұрын
Use debian stable for servers and debian testing for desktops, nothing better than this if you just wanna get your work done and not think about your operating system, both are solid once you set it up according to your needs.
@alexstone691 11 ай бұрын
This is a bad advice as testing while its stable it sometimes introduces broken packages and may require user intervention and probably following mailing lists for such problems
@Ironpants57 11 ай бұрын
@@alexstone691 I would even say debian testing is less stable than Manjaro Arch.. And that's saying something lol. No hate toward Manjaro, it's just that manjaro is not as stable as vanilla arch.
@alexstone691 11 ай бұрын
@@Ironpants57 never used manjaro long enough for it to break as it was broken since it was always broken on install
@Sg2hck 11 ай бұрын
@@alexstone691 the packages are introduced to unstable first then if and when no RC-bugs are reported it moves to testing.Before adding a package to unstable repos it is vetted throughly and if it is found to be broken its not gonna be added even to the unstable repos. so this is how it moves unstable>testing>stable. ive tried to include the official document links here too for your ease but its keep getting deleted because of the comment filters.
@lawrencedoliveiro9104 11 ай бұрын
I run Debian Unstable on my own workstations. I could upgrade every day, but I keep it down to a bit less than that. ;) Yes, that can be a lot of fun when things break. Keeps you on your toes.
@elEd0 11 ай бұрын
This comes in clutch for me as I've been planning on moving away from Arch and my first option was debian. Stability is important for me. On arch I went for months (maybe even a year) without updating cause I dont really like things changing all the time and that ended up breaking things and causing dependency hells over and over again. Happy to see debian will be an even better option now!
@Revenant483 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for showcasing Debian 12 Nick! Good to see Debian getting closer to being a modern desktop experience.
@adispenser 11 ай бұрын
i use arch btw
@SApcProSergijAleksovski 11 ай бұрын
Nice video. Thanks for the news!
@IGqy 11 ай бұрын
Great video as always! I feel like gnome on fedora is the best experience i have ever had. It tooj me a lojg time and a lot of distrohopping, since i wanted to stay debian based, but since i started usinh fedora i have not missed the experience of pop, mint, ubuntu or other options. I do however use debian for my server setup
@styromaniac6967 10 ай бұрын
It appears that GNOME 43 is the mobile-friendly environment I always wanted, and it is quite valuable as a desktop environment too. Not to mention that it's also the most gorgeous of the bunch.
@rchandraonline 11 ай бұрын
I don't care if it has an "old look." Old very often works, and works well at that. How something functions is my litmus test, not colors, or fonts, or the shape of buttons, or anything like that.
@userperson5259 11 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks for breaking down the details for us. I've been running my home and business on Debian stable for years. I run Linux Mint on laptops because it 'just works' but for work and main workstation, the Debian stable philosophy and software suits perfectly. We're not cutting edge anything here. After all, my main workstation is still HASWELL in 2023. :)
@nialldaly7108 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Nick, I'll try Deb 12 on an older laptop i use for trying new Versions of Linux, Right now it is on Mint 21. Zorin 16 before that and zorin 15 before that with xfce.
@ptzzz 11 ай бұрын
I was testing Debian 12 the other night and it was fine. I started using Crunchbang++ 11 as the base then installed the bullseye-backports then updated to testing (Bookworm 12) and nothing gone wrong. I might go to sid next when I have time just to see how Debian's rolling release branch feels like.
@wusaby-ush 11 ай бұрын
For me I just use kernel from stable branch and all packages from testing, this give me great experience with stability
@gwgux 11 ай бұрын
Love Debian. It's the rock solid foundation from which so many other distros and projects are built up from. It's good that the desktop is now for accessible for being used as a solid workstation with less hoops to jump through. Who knows what people will come up with for the desktop with a more accessible solid foundation to stand on? I'm looking forward to seeing what creative minds will do to it.
@sylviam6535 11 ай бұрын
I have been using it since Sarge in 2005.
@thisweblabvideos 11 ай бұрын
I use debian as my only OS for years. It has always been nearly perfect to me. It is nice to hear about news comming up with 12. :)
@LazyProgrammer 10 ай бұрын
My first and current os is Ubuntu. And it's so much annoying the fans suddenly starts running so fast (as much as possible), heating issue, laggy. Now I decided to switch to debian. But I am in confusion should I choose debian or mint. My laptop configuration Core i3 5th gen Intel processor, 8 gb ram, 120gb ssd
@thisweblabvideos 10 ай бұрын
@@LazyProgrammer when i started with linuc Iwas also having these condierations. I realised, it is all debian anyhow, I just get to choose what goes in and what not. It is super stable, like incredibly stable ... I had no issues with it all these years. One thing, I am not big in shiny new stuff, so that may be a thing. But All the tools i actually need I have them and all works really well.
@scifino1 11 ай бұрын
I'll probably upgrade my Debian 11 desktop I use for work to this. Looking forward to it.
@user-xu3so2ug1f 11 ай бұрын
i love the look of kde on any distro :)
@jesse7631 11 ай бұрын
I am currently running Debian 12 with GNOME 43, 6.1 kernel, and it is running super great. I am very happy with it.
@Vlad_a450 11 ай бұрын
Using it for two month! Really good expirience!
@mylinuxgr5050 11 ай бұрын
Always excited about new Debian version!
@launchpending 11 ай бұрын
10:26 the accidental usage of sudo followed by su adds a realistic feel
@cjuk81 11 ай бұрын
I always run Debian on my servers, SID on a newer laptop too which is always very stable for me. I have deb stable on an older machine too and all versions have been very stable over the years.
@Shikogo 11 ай бұрын
I've been using Debian Testing as my first "everyday" use of Linux on my laptop (I still use Windows on Desktop since I've not been happy with hardware compatiblity.) I've been really happy with it and will probably follow Bookworm into stable and stay there, using backports as needed.
@KM-sv4dh 11 ай бұрын
Another great video, thank you for putting some light on Debian, I hope you review Debian testing after the freeze ends, it is a pretty reliable with updated packages than the debian stable.
@foss_sound 11 ай бұрын
Debian Sid user for 2 years now. It stopped my hopping and runs perfectly. Not a single issue so far on my T480 (with unfree drivers). Looking forward to the upcoming versions of Debian. Good video tho.
@alvaroamestegui5836 11 ай бұрын
Awesome! Gonna give it a try right now. Let’s see if my Wi-Fi comes right up.
@MrJasonLG 10 ай бұрын
I already run Debian on my home server and I maintain a project that targets Debian Stable. Really tempted to run it on my desktop now.
@tejasraman6913 9 ай бұрын
Hi. I wanted to point out that the live ISOs for Debian Stable include a more user-friendly installer (Calamares) out of the box. This might make Debian more user-friendly for new users. I recommend Debian or Fedora to most people (as there are no snaps and software support is good on both)
@benderbg 11 ай бұрын
Thanks Nick. Last time I used Debian was Woody so I'm looking forward to trying Bookworm.
@linuxrant 11 ай бұрын
Debian rocks it's like the best all rounder os for me. Runs great on old stuff and runs great on modern stuff. when you get debian you have the most stable linux experience which is also very customizable. If you are a debloat nerd like me, follow an online guide for installing raw debian-minimal with some window manager. you will get a system running at 250 mbs of ram used on cold boot.
@joruffin 10 ай бұрын
I've always recommended Debian for desktop because of the rock solid stability and the truly extensive documentation and wide compatibility for when you need to install a 3rd party package.
@lpl8900 4 ай бұрын
Salut, thanks for your videos! I switched from Ubuntu to the testing version of Debian 12, and it really does have everything I need as a developer. I face less bugs and issues than before and the user experience is really smooth depending on which desktop environment we use. Greetings from Normandy :)
@autohmae 11 ай бұрын
I can vouch for both Debian and Tuxedo. Have had great experience with both
@tassoskalides1293 2 ай бұрын
I just love Debian 12 with Cinnamon desktop. The first I do is installing the liquorix kernel and wine, because I use it mainly for music production. My main Daws are Bitwig, Reaper and Ardour, and now Live 12, the latter will run under wine.
@moldysponge0831 11 ай бұрын
Great video! It's exactly why I use Debian. I enthusiastically recommend Debian over Ubuntu usually, simply because of stability and it's "good enough" even for gaming. However, you are right about Linux moving fast in that area. Been using Debian 12 (latest) at work and home since December 2022, it's been ROCK SOLID. My last PC at work is using Debian 10... which has also been rock solid, going to upgrade it next week.
@690_5 10 ай бұрын
I've been so out of the loop on Linux for years now. I didn't realise 12 was that new when I downloaded it last week, been pretty happy with it so far.
@nonsolorasatura9093 11 ай бұрын
Good and I noticed that will be present even a LTS support, in future, so even better, but remain the issue that with distro different from Ubuntu is difficult obtain help in case of problems.
@4Vanyek 11 ай бұрын
about the installer: i actually like debian's installer, because it's so much faster than the others (for example: it does not take a whole 2 minutes to just manage partitions), and ability to choose desktop environment in installer is just great!
@filefilip4117 11 ай бұрын
Nice, just jumped back to debian from Fedora (I kinda have mixed feeling on F38)
@plebisMaximus 11 ай бұрын
I've been a Debian fanboy for years, don't care about old packages if it means that trademark Debian stability. Sadly I had to go with Manjaro on this PC because Debian 11 doesn't support my 6600. Might be moving back home soon though, Debian's the best.
@1pcfred 11 ай бұрын
It is your 6600 so you support it.
@natekmbowie 11 ай бұрын
Great to see Debian get some love. As somebody who checked out Linux because Win 8 was a mess I really appreciate it's stability. Like others pointed out here, though the stable release does have a reputation for being a bit old, there is both a "testing" branch which keeps things more up to date, and a "sid" branch which resembles a rolling release. But for me personally, I haven't had any issues with a delay in packages. Browsers are always up to date (including Firefox, Firefox-esr and Chromium); and as mentioned above flatpaks, snaps, or app images can remedy those issues regardless of the repos. Certainly a distro I'd wholeheartedly recommend for anybody with similar preferences to me.
@OcteractSG 11 ай бұрын
I’m hyped for when MX Linux updates to the Debian Bookworm base. Easy distro for beginners, and completely sane for gaming on older hardware.
@8times8 10 ай бұрын
I put Debian 12 on a Ventoy USB along with Pop_OS, Ubuntu 23.04, and Mint Vera. After live booting each I landed on Debian 12 Gnome after comparing them for the umpteenth time that night. I will say that I accidentally installed a boot partition to the nvme and hdd. That led to Grub issues and I ended up using MX Workbench to live boot the laptop again and used the Boot Repair utility to reinstall Grub. After a reboot it was great to have a 12 year old HP laptop feel similar to when it was new. I feel like I can do anything with those ISOs nearby now. I’m glad Debian is the backbone for them all. I left Windows 10 in 2017 and haven’t looked back. I feel like I graduated from the beginner distros to intermediate by using Debian. Here’s to learning Linux and moving toward advanced in the future.
@rolandovillcaarias5112 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this information for only end users. Now, could you please make another video of Debian 12 for software developers?
@tsulkalu4589 11 ай бұрын
You can also enable backports and get packages from debian testing.
@JuusoAlasuutari 11 ай бұрын
I've been a Debian Sid (unstable) user since forever ago. It's ironic that Debian's so-called unstable is far more stable than most other distros out there. It's basically a high-quality rolling release.
@ceremus 11 ай бұрын
I've been running MX Linux on a home theater PC for well over a year now, which uses Debian Stable as its base. It uses a best of both worlds approach for that kind of system, of course using Debian it's extremely solid, but also came with extra refinements like newer driver support and flatpak out of the box. Looks as though Debian has caught up in that regard, which is nice all around. MX still has some curation and QoL improvements so I'd say they're still worth checking out.
@RafaCoringaProducoes 11 ай бұрын
For non systemD uses, i like mx and devuan. Mx worked well for an use case: usb 2.0 live with persistence
@Your_Degenerate 11 ай бұрын
Ah, even though they don't change much I'll be looking forward to seeing the updated Crunch Bang Plus Plus and Bunsen Labs.
@magburner 11 ай бұрын
I have been running LMDE for a while now. I like the subtle Mint additions, but I want to go pure Debian with my next OS install. Debian for life.
@nexxterra 8 ай бұрын
"I can't get stuck behind a year old desktop..." I am here researching what I am going to use to upgrade my 2007 PCs...
@TravisTennies 11 ай бұрын
I love Debian. For more than a decade actually. ❤❤❤ Super happy about the driver too. Finally! Awesome
@Plueschtroll 11 ай бұрын
Debian was my first Linux OS. Debian 3.0 "Woody". But of course, that wasn't really productive, used "Sarge" (3.1) in Testing. Nice to see that the OS is still doing strong, will always have a soft spot for it.
@NorbiPeti 11 ай бұрын
Hm, I might give it a try. I switched to Pop OS almost a year ago but I've encountered some bugs and annoyances, and that new Gnome look looks great and I couldn't find an easy way to have that here. Although I do game sometimes. But I like stability.
@TheCogitech 5 ай бұрын
Great video. Thanks, man! Linux user since late 90s. Tried basically every distro except for the really obscure ones. Recently disillusioned with Manjaro, tried OpenSuSE for 3 months and it wasn't for me. Haven't looked at Debian for a long time (except as a server). I like what I see here. Going to go for it.
@Rouhalla 8 ай бұрын
I love how stable and so smooth and easy for beginners and power users as well. Can't live without Linux ❤
@CristobalWatsonHernandez 11 ай бұрын
I am currently using Debian 11 with a backport upgrade to get Linux kernel 6. Can confirm, it is awesome!
@lpnonamegame6468 11 ай бұрын
I am using siduction linux, a small distro based on debian SID with a small own overlay repo with the latest kernels and more. as of june 9 kernel 6.3.6 is available
@awetisimgaming7473 10 ай бұрын
It's funny, without noticing that the update happened, I just installed Debian 12 32 bit on a core 2 duo laptop, and I got everything but steam working pretty good already, and I even got the GOG version of pod gold running pretty decent, so I'm elated with this new distro. I will need to try to enable flatpak like you mentioned, to see how well that'll run on 32 bit, but that's always the fun of messing around with weird and random stuff
@lvill3633 11 ай бұрын
You got me at "bookworm" ☺️
@LtSich 11 ай бұрын
On my side I use debian testing, very stable, no problem at all. But I suggest that you know how to run debian, because, sometimes (very rare times) you can get in trouble with some updates... But most of the times, upgrade are ok and you are on a "rolling release"...
@StevieRayLou 9 ай бұрын
A Canonical update hosed my Dell XPS-13 Plus, after less than a year. I tried to recover from the recovery partition, failed with a "shim error" Tried using media from Dell web-site. That didn't work either. I installed debian12 and have been happy since.
@c8__ 11 ай бұрын
Excellente vidéo encore une fois à tout point de vue. Merci une fois de plus. 🤣Debian money!
@XanTheXanadul 11 ай бұрын
My NAS is running Arch with zfs, huge mistake, especially since zfs often breaks for a few days whenever the Kernel updates... Since the first time it broke, I knew I should have used Debian or something like Rocky or Alma. This release seems like a good opportunity to switch.
@_BeastRein 11 ай бұрын
Debian works great for my old Chromebook, glad to see the gnome updates
@waydegutman7339 11 ай бұрын
Looks like I will head back to Debian again. I have used it in the past.
@sillyness3456 11 ай бұрын
I only ever saw the graphical installer once, installing Debian. Most often, there was only the ncurses installer. Did they include the graphical installer now for every iso?
The Linux Experiment
Рет қаралды 165 М.
The Linux Experiment
Рет қаралды 111 М.
Tips Workshop
Рет қаралды 24 МЛН
Осторожно: Собчак
Рет қаралды 9 МЛН
The Linux Experiment
Рет қаралды 157 М.
The Linux Experiment
Рет қаралды 119 М.
The Linux Experiment
Рет қаралды 292 М.
The Linux Experiment
Рет қаралды 373 М.
Thebox - о технике и гаджетах
Рет қаралды 63 М.