What Makes Dark and Darker SO Good! (And Why You Should Play It) | Asmongold Reacts

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Жыл бұрын

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@user-fv5qn6rz9s
@user-fv5qn6rz9s Жыл бұрын
Bald and Balder
@Slawsers
@Slawsers Жыл бұрын
Great sequel
@kuikyroje
@kuikyroje Жыл бұрын
@@supermercerbros ... okay?
@YaBoyReiner
@YaBoyReiner Жыл бұрын
"... okay?" 🤓
@laxen__
@laxen__ Жыл бұрын
Good comment
@seanrodrigues8184
@seanrodrigues8184 Жыл бұрын
@@YaBoyReiner - 🤓
@PrejTik
@PrejTik Жыл бұрын
I started playing on the last 2 days of the test #2 and I played solo barb, oh boy I cried like a baby. The 1v3 just sucked. Then the test #3 happened, I picked up some friends and it was a lot more fun. But I relized someting about playing with 2 other people was kinda off, I had to split the loot, help them fight mobs and stuff. AND THEN I WENT SOLO ROGUEE BRRRRRRR and that was the most fun I ever had. In most cases (only if u have balls) You can take the 1v2 or even 1v3. I figured as a solo played the Dark in Dark and Darker is my friend. I always extinguished every torch and played around my invisibility cd. Simply Invis, w8 for two of them to pass you, stab the 3rd guy to death, run to the dark w8 for invis cd and repeat. Had a great time 10/10 and no friends = more loot for myself
@fortomorrowwehunt8449
@fortomorrowwehunt8449 Жыл бұрын
ranger best class especially when you got a fighter and wizard with you. wiped so many high roller and normal lobby's with that team comp
@0ihatetrolls01
@0ihatetrolls01 Жыл бұрын
@@fortomorrowwehunt8449 3 rangers best comp
@Frankie_Sinatra
@Frankie_Sinatra Жыл бұрын
We Rogue mains are something else 💀
@Inebriation100
@Inebriation100 Жыл бұрын
​@@Frankie_Sinatra Someone told me that wizard is the better rogue and it stuck, I watched a killer wizard stream and got off my rogue main to become a wizard main solo, and it was the most fun I had. It takes restraint to slow your roll like a proper rogue but the wizard kit is so freaking good.
@biliboyjenkins9064
@biliboyjenkins9064 Жыл бұрын
I played solo on all the characters a lot, and enjoyed barb the most. Have 2 1v3's under my belt, and almost all pve is easily soloable with your damage and especially the fear ability
@TheBrockwellBroadcastNetwork
@TheBrockwellBroadcastNetwork Жыл бұрын
The game loop is addictive, and the constant promise of better loot is what makes the game so compelling. Can't wait for release. I managed to unlock the skeleton skin during the last play test. As a solo player, I still survived a lot.
@tabletalk5277
@tabletalk5277 Ай бұрын
This aged like sour milk
@HannahBurris-rc3tc
@HannahBurris-rc3tc 21 күн бұрын
@@tabletalk5277how? Games fire. Literally got to lvl 30 in a couple hours today, first day playing.
@offspringfan100
@offspringfan100 8 күн бұрын
​@@tabletalk5277How so? The game is better than ever right now, especially for new players, core gameplay loop is still compelling, fairly balanced class variety, skins are kept through wipes(always have been), and extracting is pretty easy as a solo. If you're talking about release, they are constantly adding new content, improving the game and listening to the community. At this point (especially post-steam release) an official release would merely be a formality. This game already has a lot of replay value. A game like this is going to constantly evolve and have zero regrets in my purchase. It's the go-to game to play with my friends. You kinda just seem like a hater, ngl. There are legitimate things to criticize the game for and rarely do comments like yours carry weight or merit. The game really doesn't deserve it, nor do the devs 🫤
@nom6758
@nom6758 Жыл бұрын
The key thing when asmon was mentioning the "inconveniences" is that they make sense. There are choices you make, and while some of them are required (like time gated door opening, picking chests, putting loot on, etc.), they make sense and alot of times its a trade off for a tactical advantage. Nearly every inconvenience can be taken advantage of with the right class, and because of this, each class feels fresh and unique to play with.
@GikamesShadow
@GikamesShadow Жыл бұрын
If a single player finds a problem with that which "makes sense" then you have the issue of either: A. Of it not being explained properly or more likely B. It not making sense. I havent had a chance yet to get into a playtest to play the game so you tell me which one it is.
@gabe9045
@gabe9045 Жыл бұрын
Its cool when your playing actual D&D but this game's gameplay looks sooooooooo slow, clunky and Boring...
@imtoxicAF
@imtoxicAF Жыл бұрын
@@gabe9045 trust me its not. The reason why you think that is because your not the one using your mouse and keyboard me and a million users on that 2 week playtest would tell you otherwise give it a shot bro this game is going to start WWIII ask anybody whos got more than 10 hours in the game
@drooskie9525
@drooskie9525 Жыл бұрын
@@imtoxicAF It is and people point it out frequently. Anyone with the slightest understanding of how combat in games should work (and has a bit of experience being competitive), knows that this game is completely dead in the water if it remains that slow and clunky style - and last i remember the devs aren't too keen on overhauling it (hope I am wrong though). It's a damn shame because the game concept is pretty cool.
@guaracho1999
@guaracho1999 Жыл бұрын
​@@imtoxicAF Dude, The game is not just slow, it's slow AF. I understand the casting time of a 2-h weapon may be slower than the 1-h weapon but... THE TIME that is takes to SWING the weapon, looks like you're caressing the opponent with it. The block mechanic is bugged but it can be fixed easily. They should add parry with shield, 1h and 2h weapons (claking swords is real so... why not include it to the game? that's a flaw). They should adopt the Chivalry combat-style IMO. Also, Stabbing someone IN THE FACE with a poisoned dagger should not deal 19 dmg and like 24 from the back of the head, lol. Headshots with daggers should deal atleast 3x or more (but 3x is OK given the attack speed of the weapon) .
@freezingcicada6852
@freezingcicada6852 Жыл бұрын
Dark and Darker really makes feel like I'm playing Oblivion again. Great game
@D3cadent1
@D3cadent1 Жыл бұрын
Well, that tells me all I need to know to stay away from it.
@heimdur477
@heimdur477 Жыл бұрын
try Mortal Online 2
@XnathOW
@XnathOW Жыл бұрын
@@D3cadent1 Wouldnt say it resembles Oblivion in anything else aside from dungeon tiles, and you swing swords.-
@freezingcicada6852
@freezingcicada6852 Жыл бұрын
@@D3cadent1 I think your missing out. Theres some primal synapses of slapping some enemies till they ragdoll. My only complaint. Nerf Ranger Traps, make it where you can throw your torch at it to trigger it. That way your not hugging the fuck out of it hitbox to avoid it.
@ivansalamon7028
@ivansalamon7028 Жыл бұрын
@@D3cadent1 What do you mean? Oblivion is an amazing game.
@xplpex
@xplpex Жыл бұрын
The most fun I had with the game was being a solo player and out classing trios most new players don't know yet but the game gives a lot of tools to solo players to one of the biggest its the darkness , I think this is something that with time and no changes will make the player base adjust and enjoy the tense moments . My biggest hate against solo q will be the rushers and lack of tense moments in the game turning out like a slow mordhau for those good with movement that just run and shred every thing
@gamax1376
@gamax1376 Жыл бұрын
@@ayoCC I think they will never do actual random gen maps cuz ir will bring infinity bugs bro, but the maps already are semi random gen, so they could Just add a bit more randomness
@Bob_Cratchit
@Bob_Cratchit Жыл бұрын
The solo play aspect was one of the major reasons Everquest players flocked to Warcraft. Actually being able to accomplish something in game beyond lvl 10 by yourself after your friends logged off for the night was a vast difference between WoW and EQ. While a few classes in EQ could solo to some extent, that left out the majority of the player base.
@dbaxter604
@dbaxter604 Жыл бұрын
100%
@Bob_Cratchit
@Bob_Cratchit Жыл бұрын
@@rekrn12345 The genre is irrelevant. That being said, the information is old, so old in fact, I wouldn't have bothered to reply in it. I'm sure you meant well, so thank you for the very late PSA and have a good evening.
@zerabii108
@zerabii108 Жыл бұрын
Dark and Darker is a masterpiece
@Prushka
@Prushka Жыл бұрын
I'm addicted to dark and darker aswell, or was, can't wait for the next playtest
@cruant
@cruant Жыл бұрын
it’s PC only, so the game is ass
@nzoththecorruptor2230
@nzoththecorruptor2230 Жыл бұрын
@@cruant That's exactly what makes the game good
@weedmantrudeau5783
@weedmantrudeau5783 Жыл бұрын
@@cruant least blatant sour grapes andy
@cole9058
@cole9058 Жыл бұрын
@@cruant just say you're afraid of technology and move on kid. Been building pcs since I was 14 and my first console was a genesis, get with the times. If you can afford a console, you can afford a pc, but you just made the wrong choice and are now mad.
@cruant
@cruant Жыл бұрын
@@cole9058 nah I'll be playing God of War Ragnarok
@idontevengame1
@idontevengame1 Жыл бұрын
Might be the most fun i've had gaming all year. Just playing a rogue and stabbing people to death
@MatheusRebelo
@MatheusRebelo Жыл бұрын
same, but barb in my case.
@idontevengame1
@idontevengame1 Жыл бұрын
Also if youre good you can easily play solo. This game is 100% meant to be played in a group. I can already see the tournaments happening
@v.m.6549
@v.m.6549 Жыл бұрын
Average british people:
@xFirtewx
@xFirtewx Жыл бұрын
@@v.m.6549 Average immigrant on london be like:
@czsup8967
@czsup8967 Жыл бұрын
It was so fun
@jaypg101
@jaypg101 Жыл бұрын
As a solo and team player, I don't want to see a solo que. However, I would love that if you que solo, it would prioritize solo players first, duo's second and lastly trio's, but not a full prioritization if that makes sense. I still want to see duo's and trio's, just slightly less of them if I que solo. I don't want a separate que button at all though, just for the game to recognize there's only 1 of me, so it takes a few extra seconds to fill some parameters to start my match. Also, a solo only que I think would be detrimental. I witnessed and high amount of teaming from solo players. Players give a small tbag, then explore the dungeon together. And since they were together, less players wanted to fight them, so they just got fully looted and left safely. I think it's way too easy to take advantage of unfortunately, that's why I prefer the method I listed above.
@stillnolife4984
@stillnolife4984 Жыл бұрын
To answer the question on what the argument against solo queue is. IMO solo queue would be a place for the best players to freely farm loot with little competition compared to fighting even a "decent 3 man" and potentially losing. It would cause market changes since solo play would be easier to farm than normal queue. The game is balanced around team play stated by the devs so some players will complain about solo balancing. Bossing would be near impossible for majority solo queue. Likely what would happen is they add solo queue it it becomes a 16 rouge rat off whoever can rat the hardest and stuff the pockets the most wins. Solo queue just seems like a cop out for players who arent willing to adjust to difficulty. The games 1vX factor is the main thing that keeps you on your toes, you hear foot steps u then have to think about everything before you make a choice. How many are there? How geared? Wheres my escape? ETC but in solo queue u hear foot steps u run at them bc its 1v1 and thats that. I think solo takes away alot of the core that makes the game fun. Its your choice to meet people and play in a 3 man if u want or to queue in solo knowing u can be against multiple players. When someone says "get good" its not just a matter of winning a 1v3 its game sense, knowing ur escapes, knowing when to run knowing when to fight. Its like do you think a wow raid would have the same effect if they just let you solo it? Just my thoughts on that topic.
@kingscroach
@kingscroach Жыл бұрын
Having too many queue types can really slow matchmaking down, but if there are enough people playing then I can't see it being an issue, but it's an argument against solo queue. I played mostly solo, and I actually had the best luck as a barbarian because I could drop monsters quick only wizards and rangers were really an issue. I played every class up to 15 so I could check out all the skills/perks/spells
@feetenthusiast1015
@feetenthusiast1015 Жыл бұрын
Fun game, every thing played well together and I can't wait to play next test or full release. Both playing with friends and without was fun but since most lobbies had 3 stacks and you can't search for solo games, I tried getting a full team when possible
@LaughterIsDeadly
@LaughterIsDeadly Жыл бұрын
In Dungesons and Dragons small increases like +1 stat or to attack actually means A LOT and the same is true in this game
@interessiertermatheschuler8405
@interessiertermatheschuler8405 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I love the +0.8% increase to magic cast time on my barb axe
@LaughterIsDeadly
@LaughterIsDeadly Жыл бұрын
@@interessiertermatheschuler8405 they clearly have a loot table that randomly assigns modifiers to weapons. This increases the rarity of useful items. If every barb axe that dropped has good or useful stats it would devalue all of them. Maybe they'll remove modifiers like this from the loot table for barb weapons or w/e but this isn't even really relevant to the comment i made so *shrug*
@RedCoward
@RedCoward Жыл бұрын
As a solo Rouge: Don't you dare touch the queue system.
@aplix747
@aplix747 Жыл бұрын
The Solo queue debate is one that really interests me. I've personally been playing solo as barbarian and having a blast running around smashing open chests. What people don't understand is that looting a big treasure room solo will give you 3x the loot of a trio (assuming loot is shared equally), allowing you to obtain gear that is much more powerful than that of an individual group member at early game (however groups that manage to fight bosses or big rooms uninterrupted often become very rich). Barbarian also has a perk that gives him a decent chunk of health when he kills a player, meaning he can get up to 40% of his large health back during a 3v1 fight and still be in a decent state if he wins, as well as a perk that gives him a quick health/damage boost for 4 seconds after killing any enemy. When you look at other classes, you will actually find a lot of perks or abilities that can give you a fighting chance against groups, not to mention the fact you can interrupt a group that is busy fighting enemies, using them to your advantage. Solo play WILL reward patience and intelligence, unlike group play. Altars are also designed specifically to benefit solo players. There is an area with a damage and damage resistance altar beside eachother. With these both activated, I almost managed to wipe out a trio on my own simply by rushing in and yelling, no tactics required. The effect also seemed to have wore off shortly after the fight started.
@Rizzerio1
@Rizzerio1 Жыл бұрын
There probably needs to be more things to benefit solo players, since the only loot protection in the game is having a full squad. Solo players don't get the same luxery so they often don't use their good items till they are grouped. It feels very bad to have on really good gear when your playing solo because the odds are greatly stacked against you.
@slimEeEeeeeEeeeeeeeee
@slimEeEeeeeEeeeeeeeee Жыл бұрын
These are really good points
@slimEeEeeeeEeeeeeeeee
@slimEeEeeeeEeeeeeeeee Жыл бұрын
@@Rizzerio1 it actually feels great to have good gear as a solo, most players don't even go in with greens or consumables. You can demolish these players as most classes even if they are groups of 3. As long as it's not 3 crackhead rangers that don't miss shots.
@Rizzerio1
@Rizzerio1 Жыл бұрын
@@slimEeEeeeeEeeeeeeeee Personally, I find it better to economy most runs w/ bad gear when playing solo because you have no loot protection unless in a group. Sure I can 1 tap people with no gear, but will always lose to a decked out 3 man squad zerging me down/camping zone on me. The risk isn't worth the reward, and I can come out just as much ahead with sub par gear, and avoid the heavy losses to douche bag 3 mans W keying for minutes on end.
@americantaco5344
@americantaco5344 Жыл бұрын
Me a month later after finishing playtest 4 and looking for dark and darker videos because I thirst for more dark and darker. Also I love knowing what the 3rd playtest was like. The 4th was so much fun can't wait for the 5th. It's funny how people thought solo q was gonna be bad. I personally like the solo q the goblins were annoying but it was fun
@Area-jr5zm
@Area-jr5zm Жыл бұрын
Having solo que for the main map would actually make it harder, because people will STILL group up but it would be more random... which means they are also more likely to turn on your near the extraction.
@vazzaroth
@vazzaroth Жыл бұрын
EVE Online's combat was an amazing excersize in combat game design because of microadjustments. It was basically turn based and you tweaked things on and off, boosts, move position, adjust orbit, expand orbit, stop, line up warp, run away... etc. I have never quite found another game that replicated that feeling in any way but deeply hunger for it.
@gabaghoul2589
@gabaghoul2589 Жыл бұрын
Ironmace has said that the game is designed for a mix of players per match. For solos they are aiming for what they call "Rat Gameplay" with hiding and using the darkness to do sneak attacks. you are not meant to fight a 3v1 if you do not want to (use your ears), duos are there to shake up on both ends where trios have way more of a challenge to fight then a solo but a solo could still take out the duo. The portals at the end were another point they made that the 3 person exit and deep portals do not show up until the end so the party is made to split to get out/down or having to fight everyone on the path to the 3 person portal. Again this is not my opinion this is what Ironmace has said in post when asked about solo queue.
@gabaghoul2589
@gabaghoul2589 Жыл бұрын
My opinion on the matter is that it does suck to not have a solo queue while having to play scared anytime you see a person that 2 others could be right behind them but in this game there is so much you can do to set yourself up for success when faced with 3 players solo, leaving multiple doors open so you can run into one to mislead them while you go the other way. getting your first exit is super big as having money changes the way you can play. Bringing in potions makes a 1v3 feel like a 2v3 or even a 3v3 if you have better gear as well. I also believe High roller is a great way to keep really good players away from newer players of cores they will still overlap but most people with a group that is even half good should be going to high roller for the better chance at gear and more fun fights. They have stated that they want to encourage rat gameplay more but I don't know how they would do that without making the people that are taking 1v3s as often as possible even stronger. Maybe giving you an extra heal or two for free or even a invis potion as that would help with the rat like part of it. Sucks to not have solo queue but they are making one hell of a game out of it imma just let them cook.
@afriibi2932
@afriibi2932 Жыл бұрын
I feel like its balanced just because if u play solo u get all of the loot instead of splitting it, as dumb as that sounds
@styxzero1675
@styxzero1675 Жыл бұрын
A duo and a trio is simple multiple soloplayers collaborating to get an unfair advantage over the soloplayer. A trio can also use "rat gameplay" to a much more effective degree because they can combo someone out from the darkness. They also have 6 ears rather than 2 so can make out sounds better. There is literally no point of playing this game solo so it is going to die a horrible death in the longterm unless they release soloqueue because group focused games may have worked in the early 2000 but not in the current year.
@mike8386
@mike8386 Жыл бұрын
@@afriibi2932 its not dumb, thats the idea, going in solo has potential for x3 loot for yourself but youre taking the risk of facing a group of 3.
@Torufu
@Torufu Жыл бұрын
In my opinion solo queue is not necessary because in the current state of the game playing solo just means having a different playstyle than group players. The objective of the game is to get loot and escape, not to kill everyone you encounter, so while playing solo you should be more aware of your surroundings and make decisions whether to take some fights where you are at a disadvantage or not to do it. If you are seeing yourself as a solo killing machine attacking everyone you see you are guaranteed to encounter unwinnable fight, but sometimes the decision to attack a group of 3 as a solo player is akin to attacking Fel Reaver when you are leveling in Hellfire Peninsula. If you play solo you should avoid groups and attacks them only when you have a factor of surprise on ur side, for example, when the party is fighting with monsters or with another group of players and i think that goes for every class.
@sm3ghe4d22
@sm3ghe4d22 Жыл бұрын
Idk i feel like solo que was actually less aggressive then the other cuz the thing is when 3 player see a solo they will pretty much always try to go and chase them down cuz they know they have an advantage unless the solo player has really good gear or beyond skillful. But when a solo bumps into another solo its lot more riskier for them to take eachother on so either try avoid eachother or they team up at least that has been my experience with it so far.
@tyisamess
@tyisamess Жыл бұрын
Sucks that the play test ended I need more of this game.
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
Happens once a month dont worry about it
@jeffet5828
@jeffet5828 Жыл бұрын
Be me: Find out about the existence of the game really hyped to play it, find out the playtest ended a few hours ago. A few days go by and I keep seeing content of the game pop up on youtube wondering how people still have so much content about the game when the playtest ended 2-3 days ago but not thinking any further into it. Finally decide to check if the game is playable: The extended playtest ended today. FUCK ME HHAAHAH I wish I had the chance to play it. Hoping for another playtest soon.
@standalone2235
@standalone2235 Жыл бұрын
No worries guys, next one comes out in February.
@marioauditore2859
@marioauditore2859 Жыл бұрын
It's ending again, when will we have another one? 😰 Btw, do we know if this game gonna be free or not?
@NiceTryAmigo
@NiceTryAmigo Жыл бұрын
@@marioauditore2859 They extended end to February 16
@herbert-kenumera960
@herbert-kenumera960 Жыл бұрын
I played Barbarian. THere was one rogue who ran away from me, but I had an axe and destroyed the doors between me and him. It was fun just smashing through every door he closed in front of me and him just giving up when he had nowhere to run. Or when another rogue shanked me 4 times, i screamed for help from my team, one shotted the rogue and went: "Or maybe I dont need help. Nevermind." 33:19: YOu just hear " I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING!" very loudly when youre close.
@HalfbreedTrini
@HalfbreedTrini Жыл бұрын
HEEEERES HERBERT😈
@roymoosthong
@roymoosthong Жыл бұрын
Had so much fun playing Dark and Darker, honestly bummed out I missed out on the last few playtests (I only got to play the last four days of playtest #3) but those 30 hours I got to put in was some of the most excruciating yet addicting time I've had with a game for quite awhile. Really excited for the next playtest!
@markmitchell153
@markmitchell153 Жыл бұрын
It's in February
@roymoosthong
@roymoosthong Жыл бұрын
@@markmitchell153 oh dope! wake me up in a month lol
@nltiro3387
@nltiro3387 Жыл бұрын
@@roymoosthong 39days
@6zaab001
@6zaab001 Жыл бұрын
i think it should just have both option to solo que and play multiple groups. When i first saw this game i immediately thought i want to play this with my friends as group going through a dungeon. kind of like DnD campaign
@Olixer109
@Olixer109 Жыл бұрын
Dark and Darker is a brilliant game imo I'm having so much fun playing, even when I'm dying I'm having fun and laughing at stuff, it's great.
@-grizzly-7862
@-grizzly-7862 Жыл бұрын
i would love a custom ui that gave me the the same hud as something like diablo 2 and hopefully they open up the world so you are in troll tunnels and caves and all sorts of other scenes not jus a stone dungeon but from the two playtests i have played i have loved every second of it and its nice to see the devs are so transparent on what is goin on.
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
There's going to be a forest level before the dungeon level, with more space and up to 33 players, so that'll be exciting.
@Sethir
@Sethir Жыл бұрын
I knew this game was going to go hard, from the first playtest.
@cmoney163
@cmoney163 Жыл бұрын
Ok
@Blink-gi4nv
@Blink-gi4nv Жыл бұрын
@@cmoney163 ok
@imtoxicAF
@imtoxicAF Жыл бұрын
i had 80 hours in 2 weeks on my steam profile from game history and 71 hours of them were from Dark -_- it slapppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppps
@-Blackberry
@-Blackberry Жыл бұрын
I missed the play test but I can't wait to get a chance to play this. I never got into Escape from Tarkov but I love the idea of Tarkov in a classic fantasy dungeon delve, it also reminds me of Ultima Underworld which is great.
@deathsaidhello
@deathsaidhello Жыл бұрын
played tarkov for a year, played Dark and Darker for only 2 days and while i love tarkov for the gun-porn part, ive got to say Dark and Darker with my older brother was an amazing time and the time of match, que time and overall play time was quick and simple to engage in, that made the experience Very smooth. idk if thats just the hype of the game, but every raid was a blast in Dark and Darker, even when my brother split my head with his battle axe on accident I was excited to see it happen LOL as a duo que we would come across solo barbs or solo rouges and helped them escape, even if we ended up dying for our effort by the storm or mobs while we protected the solo... i think we helped at least 15 people get out in our only 2 days of playing and every time it felt like we were heros in someones story. I never went into a down Red portal, but GOD i wish i did. I cant wait to experience that...
@markmitchell153
@markmitchell153 Жыл бұрын
Next test is february just fyi
@-Blackberry
@-Blackberry Жыл бұрын
@@markmitchell153 Thanks
@Chipz12900
@Chipz12900 Жыл бұрын
I don't really mind solo how it is currently but would like a solo mode as well, but i've had some really fun moments killing 1v2 or slowly hunting down a trio as a rogue taking one out at a time and then dipping
@GiodyneSTG
@GiodyneSTG Жыл бұрын
i liked playing the cleric alot and my friend played ranger , it was really fun. I personally think in the right hands the Ranger is literally the best class
@CelestialDesign
@CelestialDesign Жыл бұрын
I think the only issue with solo que is it splits the diversity of interactions up. Probably more benefits than negatives though
@imtoxicAF
@imtoxicAF Жыл бұрын
it would kill the game. I legit would not even play anymore if it was like solos only cause there are other BR's that have that option. Dark and Darker is special and I hope the devs don't change that much it was a really good playtest #3 and they have to be careful. What everyone wants is not for the long run. Most people just want a quick and easy way out and changing a mechanic could chisel cracks into the game that would eventually collapse
@spatha08
@spatha08 Жыл бұрын
@@imtoxicAF I wonder would they gain more players by adding a solo mode or lose them due to adding a solo mode. I think adding it would get more people playing.
@imtoxicAF
@imtoxicAF Жыл бұрын
@@spatha08 brother ive been playing BR's for the 10 years they been out. They would gain more pro players yes but all the normal players will leave. Then when I kill all the pros they would leave too resulting in everyone leaving the game but me so its a quick fix to death mark my words
@Frost640
@Frost640 Жыл бұрын
For the 80s crowd, this game reminds me strongly of Ultima Underworld, I wonder if it was an inspiration for this project.
@agathor350
@agathor350 Жыл бұрын
Not having a solo queue or any kind of separate queue is that it helps the matchmaking be as fast as it is. They mentioned this on an interview over a month ago. But the dev did say they are debating a solo queue
@nolangeary3993
@nolangeary3993 Жыл бұрын
Maxed out the cleric in this alpha and the one on October cannot wait for February!! Some of the best laughs iv gotten from a game in awhile! Just the boys rollin deeeep
@GiRR007
@GiRR007 Жыл бұрын
Id like them to either have a solo que option, or simply just have some kind of match maker so you can que up with 3 random people
@biliboyjenkins9064
@biliboyjenkins9064 Жыл бұрын
Queuing with randoms has so much grief potential though.
@Rizzerio1
@Rizzerio1 Жыл бұрын
@@biliboyjenkins9064 Sometimes it's the only potential way to meet other players to immediately/later group up with them. It's hard to make a 3 man in dark n darker if you don't have friends who also play it.
@GiRR007
@GiRR007 Жыл бұрын
@@biliboyjenkins9064 Play games in general has grief potential, if someone doesnt want to they can just opt out.
@Obsidianen
@Obsidianen Жыл бұрын
Just two words: Friendlyfire. Fireball. Yes, I was the Wizard. >:^D How to make a team of three work: 1. Make a rotation in which you establish who escapes first. P1 goes the first round, next round P2, etc. Have a rogue or ranger open the portal for the wizard etc. 2. You can just press shift and you walk slowly. That muffels nearly all your steps, and if you crouch additionally then no one can actually hear you.
@LaughingDepressed
@LaughingDepressed Жыл бұрын
So as a guy that has had over 110+ hours in the playtests as solo and duo and trio I can say that the game is as fun as all get out. Now I do have to state something. The extraction shooter genre is known for not really having solo ques and it most of the time for not only the challenge but for que times as well since it's not the most popular genre. The devs stated that their willing to try many different things besides solo ques as it's not in the game plan. I would suggest making going solo more rewarding with having a increased drop rate of some form or making it so after escaping the vendors buy everything on your body that you escaped with for double the amount to help mitigate the grind as much (even though I was personally doing fine with gold). It would be to help the new players trying it solo to build a stash and feel more rewarding as a result. Quick tip is to play like a rat and around 6 out of 10 runs you make it out trust me. Also if you took the time to read this your a legend thank you.
@one_drag1502
@one_drag1502 Жыл бұрын
As someone who only played solo during the play test I would hate to see a solo que. The game is balanced for team play and anybody who chooses to go alone should accept the reality that it’s gonna be more difficult
@gamax1376
@gamax1376 Жыл бұрын
Me too bro, these casuals cry too much
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
Well even if apex (as an example) was designed with teams of 3 in mind, the people that want to play alone shouldn't be punished. And they aren't, because the game allows solos to kill squads just as easily as vice versa. Dark and darker needs to do the same, having more tools for solo players to win at a disadvantage. I mean even the games the combat system is closely related to (chivalry and mordhau) is very possible to win against multiple opponents, why cant this one do the same?
@one_drag1502
@one_drag1502 Жыл бұрын
@@dooddoingstuff well these are very different games, this one has wizards and rouges along with generally being slower pace. Another problem with what u recommend is the size of the development team. With their relatively small size they need to focus on certain aspects of the game and I as well as many others have solo que low on that list. Unlike apex this development team is small. Also adding different ques splits the player base which is a bigger deal on an indie game.
@ChabuTwo
@ChabuTwo Жыл бұрын
Also, logically, Cleric should be the single most OP character in Dark and Darker to deal with the PVE enemies since they're all undead.
@gamax1376
@gamax1376 Жыл бұрын
He already is, and for pvp too since he can 1vs3 easily with bare hands
@gamax1376
@gamax1376 Жыл бұрын
@@wilkic2 of course, clerics have a skill that deal 100(or close) dmg on any undead in area, so he already is the most in pve, and in pvp he can buff himself to deal more dmg and lower the dmg taken and also use a protection pot, so he can 1vs3 with bare hands and tank any hit
@gamax1376
@gamax1376 Жыл бұрын
@@wilkic2 btw I think this skill can also kill players, I remember isnta dying for the judgment skill by a cleric and I was half live
@SrLupinotuum
@SrLupinotuum Жыл бұрын
@@gamax1376 also, their brew master perk allows them to only have the benefits of drinking beer, boosting their speed and damage on top of all the other buffs they can have on top; basically, if you are looking to make damage, you can build your cleric into a paladin
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
Yep, cleric is the best class against mobs, having a perk that deals extra damage to undead, a spell that deals burst damage to monsters in a large area and just having healing to sustain pve damage.
@AWPProductions
@AWPProductions Жыл бұрын
Best way to describe the combat would be slow but super intense and you can go from wiping teams to just pure chaos in seconds i love it never know whats gonna kill you next but its most likely gonna be something stupid or just bad luck even when you get good at it but that just makes me love it all the more.
@heikocaiko7035
@heikocaiko7035 Жыл бұрын
They need to add more stuff that you want to keep on extraction, what exactly no clue, maybe some kind of tokens that you need for training? Or just spell scrolls and more other consumables, maybe even add some kind of perma-loot that can give you slightly better starting gear?
@RPRsChannel
@RPRsChannel Жыл бұрын
"Thanks to the over 1 million testers who joined us during this playtest." "We collected a ton of data over this period that we will putting to good use to help improve the game for the next playtest."
@sethrusso45
@sethrusso45 Жыл бұрын
I love this game dude, I wish I could pay to keep playing it while supporting the devs. Cya next year bois
@ShimoKuma
@ShimoKuma Жыл бұрын
Should just have Solo que and then also have an option for team a team que where you can go in solo if you really want. IMO seems like a win/win for players who want it purely solo or players who like the thrill of fighting teams solo.
@paulm.7967
@paulm.7967 Жыл бұрын
Y'all seriously sleeping on the cleric. The prayer skill can literally wipe an entire room of zombies and mummies and bats with enough magical power. Bats just die with a naked loadout. I was swimming in gear and cash as cleric because I never died, kept finding good melee gear, and PvE was essentially nullified until I went down a level. It was only High Roller and going down a level that gave me any challenge as cleric. It's basically McConnels version of a paladin.
@s3thjcks0n14
@s3thjcks0n14 Жыл бұрын
I'm 19 years old, and this game reignited my passion for games. Growing growing up on basically 3 to 4 main games like modern warfare 2 and 3, minecraft, and more recently Sekiro, compared to countless less played games (a few months top spent in them) this game has rekindled the dampened fire that I have had for video games in general over the past 4-5 years. For anyone like me who usually just watches other people play games because we don't want to bother, or we think we are already so behind in skill development, please give this game a chance next playtest as I have.
@IndicatedGoodLife
@IndicatedGoodLife Жыл бұрын
Totaly agree. The hype is real. The game is awesome!
@s3thjcks0n14
@s3thjcks0n14 Жыл бұрын
@@Glane6339 incorrect
@GrrillaFinger
@GrrillaFinger Жыл бұрын
That's a mistake
@chadhardt6136
@chadhardt6136 Жыл бұрын
with that age and that list... it seems that what you really need is to explore stuff outside of the triple a market.
@VigilanteMike
@VigilanteMike Жыл бұрын
You can throw your torch at the traps to set them off!!! I never knew about it but it's a very useful thing to know
@lordgohan5907
@lordgohan5907 Жыл бұрын
I tried it out the other day but I was getting horrible frame rate issues for some reason even on low settings. Kept dropping to 10fps for seconds at a time. Going to have to reinstall and try again in the future but I like the premise of the game
@vandomacts4566
@vandomacts4566 Жыл бұрын
Most fun I've had gaming in awhile, and it has only been play tests so far. I'm excited for this game's development!
@fruitcakes7412
@fruitcakes7412 Жыл бұрын
Personally loved this game, played mostly as a solo and would still prefer having the chance of going into a party of 3, The developers clearly want the game to be close to what D&D could be. If you dont have friends to play with maybe they could add a party finder instead of pushing solo content?
@fourjhin_cookies
@fourjhin_cookies Жыл бұрын
I don't mind not having "solo queue", but they need to put in some sort of group fill mechanic like Apex has. Just group you with 2 other random people. But still give people the option to go in by themselves if they want. If they do wanna add solo queue where everyone is just by themselves, they should cut the hp of monsters down a decent bit because right now it's pretty damn tough to clear any room by yourself.
@MaeseVan
@MaeseVan Жыл бұрын
Having solo and party ques will work when the game comes out because everyone is playing but as soon as the matchmaking takes more than 2 minutes everyone will be force to play with random at party to get a game fast, so I don't like the idea of solos and party ques
@dn9418
@dn9418 Жыл бұрын
They should have a solo game and a team game where solo could join and be placed into groups.
@deathsaidhello
@deathsaidhello Жыл бұрын
i tried to group with randoms and they killed me for my crystal sword because the wizard on their team decided it was his, wizard hit me with a fireball and his barb friend noticed his friends plan and decided to slice my noggin in half, from behind :c i was a cleric, i just wanted to help XD didnt try to join a group after that, but i mean, it sounds like it should be a good option for people who dont have friends interested in the game, especially since solo que wasnt added (yet)
@euoplo1007
@euoplo1007 Жыл бұрын
i honestly would want a pve mode simply to learn the map too, of course items from pve cant be used in pvp and vice versa
@TheBrockwellBroadcastNetwork
@TheBrockwellBroadcastNetwork Жыл бұрын
I think the main point of floor traps is less about hurting the player, and more about memorizing their locations to use that to your advantage. Lure NPCs into it, lead players into them, etc.
@sm3ghe4d22
@sm3ghe4d22 Жыл бұрын
Yah as rogue they are useful for those reason cuz with trap detection I have lead both like you said into them. Although I think they need to make wall spikes more noticeable IMO
@BalancedEarth
@BalancedEarth Жыл бұрын
This game recently reminded me of that one cancelled Sega game that wanted to be like the new Dark Souls. They had a really cool trailer where they animated a dragon spewing fire as this dude is holding a shield and you can see how it melts. Now this game captures so well that mystique of dungeon delving. Like seeing and playing through the game and fighting monsters and the whole drama of meeting a group or another solo is so cool. I wish there was Voip or better ways to interact. But if anything It captures that dungeon delving itch i've had. It doesn't have to be extremely graphically impressive, its fun in its own right.
@FreedomAndPeaceOnly
@FreedomAndPeaceOnly Жыл бұрын
As someone *'who played it'* I can only say... they need to add + only solo groups against other solo's + dou's vs dou's and the usual three-party meta. But if they keep it up that everyone is always getting thrown in with three-er's, this will not take off as much as it could. 😎
@Gronnthabomb
@Gronnthabomb Жыл бұрын
dude cant even spell duo
@cole9058
@cole9058 Жыл бұрын
@@Gronnthabomb gj being reductive to the conversation. You knew what he meant and for all you know this person may speak more than one language. Chill pampers... lol h3 sub too. BIG L
@FreedomAndPeaceOnly
@FreedomAndPeaceOnly Жыл бұрын
​@@cole9058 Thank you for putting these children in their place. It is as you guessed. I'm not a native english speaker.
@Richard-tj1yh
@Richard-tj1yh Жыл бұрын
How you gonna solo bosses
@FreedomAndPeaceOnly
@FreedomAndPeaceOnly Жыл бұрын
@@Monnisti In hindsight, I could have written _" only solo teams "_ , _" only teams of two "_ , _" only teams of three. "_ But I didn't. A pity. What a tragedy. Probably even worse than the war this year. This was the worst thing in 2022. 😏 Horrible. Now we are lost. How can humanity survive? All this joking asside; So "three-ers" is really not giving your any idea I meant "teams of three"?
@just_dont_do_it2883
@just_dont_do_it2883 Жыл бұрын
solo is kinda torture, thats the only thing they need to fix, like a solo only playlist
@Frixon_
@Frixon_ Жыл бұрын
I definitely loved playing this alpha test. Had a group of 3 and it was really great. My only gripes was that my fighter's shield didn't really help him in pvp because people were able to attack through it so that was a bummer a bit, and I personally feel like the zone is a bit too fast, don't get me wrong I'm fine with it as is but I feel like making the match as a whole last a little longer would be nice, like 10-15% longer nothing big. A friend actually suggested making the zone be more of an urgency by making it consistently collapsing after so many minutes. Almost like more of a cave in than a zone with it summoning the portals every so often after the zone begins collapsing.
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
The shield hit box is pretty bad, but as a reminder the shield has to be aimed at the direction of the attack to actually block it, most of the time the shield still wont block but that will be temporary as it is going to be fixed in the future.
@Frixon_
@Frixon_ Жыл бұрын
@@dooddoingstuff I mean it might be more simple to have it block the attacks that collide with the player from that side instead. Obviously attacks from behind make sense but sometimes having it rely on collision with the shield itself to block is hard to get right.
@austinprice2883
@austinprice2883 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it was because I solo'd as ranger, but I frequently found myself easily managing most confrontations with both monsters and players. Sometimes While I solo I would get caught out by a team, but the majority of the time I found that I had a much higher escape rate while playing the game solo verses with a team. On top of this, YOU GET WAY MORE LOOT. Like, literally 3 times the loot because you don't have to share. Also, the spear was disgusting late game. Barbs go down in 3 hits and you are faster on top of having a range advantage even in melee. Poking heads over shields was fun. I don't see why people can't have their solo player lobbies, but I myself would likely never que for it because the feeling of team wiping as a solo is next to nothing else in the game. Fundamentally I prefer if the game is balanced for teams because that is what I think would make for a more interesting experience myself. The best part of this game though? Definitely being a filthy rat who's only mission is to make others have a bad time and not making survival a priority.
@andrewadams530
@andrewadams530 Жыл бұрын
The reason why most people don't want a solo queue added is two fold: 1. They only play with friends, 2. they're average gamers at best. This means that the majority of the time when they run into other parties of equal size they're going to sustain heavy losses if not get wiped. Where as if they run into a solo they have the best chance at getting free lot. The majority of the ' average' player base doesn't want to take away the chance for them to get lucky and stumble across someone who they can actually kill because they don't win pvp in any other situation.
@IndicatedGoodLife
@IndicatedGoodLife Жыл бұрын
Solo que could lead to a death spiral where only the best get all the loot, while other people just get frustraited and leave. Parties have more of a randomness element in fights. Although I would try to implement a solo que (with lesser loot) and see what happens
@andrewadams530
@andrewadams530 Жыл бұрын
@@IndicatedGoodLife Solo queue is literally exactly the same as parties. If there is potential for only the best to get loot with solo queue its amplified with parties, because the more good players you have on your team the LESS RNG there is. Even if you're amazing if you're solo and you make one mistake you can still die, but if you're in a party with a nutty cleric also for instance then they can easily bail you out. Soloqueue adds more RNG to individual fights not less.
@IndicatedGoodLife
@IndicatedGoodLife Жыл бұрын
@@andrewadams530 there is always more rng the more people ate involved because every person makes individual decisions that interact with each other. Thats just how statistics work.
@andrewadams530
@andrewadams530 Жыл бұрын
​@@IndicatedGoodLife We're talking about consistency when it comes to teamwork. If we were just talking about queueing into a team of 3 or 5 random players or whatever I would agree with you, but that's not what we're talking about. And it's just a fact that if you have 3 high level players that minor mistakes that would be emphasized in a solo environment can be easily covered by the other players.
@Wolfyowns
@Wolfyowns Жыл бұрын
Fact is solo ques arent ever a bad thing. Not everyone has 2 other friends, most people play alone. Hell after dying to a group of 3 as a solo your gonna quit playing. I like the guy who said "its boring" then dont play solo LOL. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to play it. Hell i dont have friends and I like to play sometime so I'll have to 1v3 which sucks or not play
@brendanmystery
@brendanmystery Жыл бұрын
or just avoid the 1v3's and stick to 1v2's or 1v1's. Become the rat, that's how you survive solo play and get better.
@biliboyjenkins9064
@biliboyjenkins9064 Жыл бұрын
I died to groups of 3 and kept playing, it was just a danger of the dungeon. I also managed to kill a couple of 3 stacks while solo or duo. It added to the thrill.
@styxzero1675
@styxzero1675 Жыл бұрын
@@brendanmystery So literally adapt to the fact that you are always at an unfair advantage? Yea I love playing at a handicap sure makes me happy and want to play more...
@brendanmystery
@brendanmystery Жыл бұрын
@@styxzero1675 if you have no friends then yes. You wouldn't get it until you solo an entire trio group by outmaneuvering and playing better. The thrill is pretty exhilarating. As the Dark Souls community loves saying "git gud"
@bushiido8494
@bushiido8494 Жыл бұрын
they just need to add matchmaking to fix the solo issue, the whole game is engineered around having a team, bosses and hell etc, if they have to reblanace the whole game for solo thats so much work for a small studio.
@Ajh1314
@Ajh1314 Жыл бұрын
I started playing on the final day of the first play test they had and I’ve been hooked since.
@grimmliberty7447
@grimmliberty7447 Жыл бұрын
The argument get good on 3v1 is that those are three v players who like ganking one player and know that if they have to fight three players all the time they would lose. And technically they think of 1V players is loot pinatas so they have easier time collecting loot.
@rockyterman6904
@rockyterman6904 Жыл бұрын
@@hereticmantra yeah so every player should play one of those three lol. Let's be honest unless every team of 3 you fight are made of trash you would simply lose a 1v3. Solo q would be a net positive for the game and I say this as someone who would still queue in the group q as a solo.
@rockyterman6904
@rockyterman6904 Жыл бұрын
@@hereticmantra the game is inspired by DnD but still aims to be playable. That's like saying that everytime you attempt to do something there should be a roll of dice to determine whether you can or cannot do it. Or even worse a bad roll gets you in an even worse position. It gates solo players and makes the experience worse for literally 0 reason.
@rockyterman6904
@rockyterman6904 Жыл бұрын
@@hereticmantra solo queue is the best and easiest solution when the main complaint is getting killed in an unwinnable battle by three stacks (and please don't use bad three stacks as a counter argument.) If it was just about getting killed at all you would make some sense. But it clearly isn't. A solo q map would be the best solution while also making good party finding systems and adding incentives to queuing in the main queue even as a solo.
@rockyterman6904
@rockyterman6904 Жыл бұрын
@@hereticmantra the queues would barely change with the numbers they pull and likely more potential players with solo queue. Maybe a few seconds but it is fast enough that it hardly matters. Again better or more frequent rewards for the multi queue in comparison to solo q incentives going to multi q even as a solo. Balancing pve for solo isn't that hard. Maybe reduce health and damage a little, or simply less monsters which also means less loot. All of these mean the game spreads and stays with a wider audience. Maybe if they had more variance to the combat then solo q would not need to be made, but as it stands it is a big requirement if they want to retain players over a longer period of time.
@styxzero1675
@styxzero1675 Жыл бұрын
@@hereticmantra The game will die horribly unless they release soloqueue, that is a simple fact in the current year. Imagine LoL without soloqueue. Games needs to be tailored around solo player with optional group play or it will not retain players in the longterm. Group focused games may have worked in the late 90's and early 2000 but not nowadays.
@alistorforgot2918
@alistorforgot2918 Жыл бұрын
i havent played this yet but watching this i feel like if they had a solo mode itd be all rouges all the time and 40 min matches of hiders
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
Each round has a time limit of 12 - 14 minutes, after the time is over, everyone that hasn't extracted will die immediately. So while it would be unwise to spend time camping, i do agree rogues would take over and anyone who wasn't playing rogue would be playing at a disadvantage.
@alistorforgot2918
@alistorforgot2918 Жыл бұрын
@@dooddoingstuff yeah i saw that later on i listen to the video more than see them. game seems real fun but after midnight suns being soo laggy im kinda eh on pc games rn
@AKRGR375
@AKRGR375 Жыл бұрын
I started playing solo cleric and had good fun. Obviously going to be steam rolled vs a group. Though 1v1 not so bad, and they’re strong pve.
@Sn4keIc3
@Sn4keIc3 Жыл бұрын
i played in a team and much solo and as I played rogue in solo teams teamed up to two or sometimes 3 I can kill. It is very very hard but very fun and if you win this fight your heartrate is over9000 but you happy af. the thrill in fighting against more players and thinking twice of what u r doing next is so satisfying. If you make up a solo mode you split up most players and if u keep go in 1-3 mode you get much more 3 people teams. I like it how it is. Kind of telling developers of Escape from Tarkov they should make a solo queue that would be absolute nonsense.
@SplitPushLoL
@SplitPushLoL Жыл бұрын
i wish there was more players on a map + healing loot drops, i played a lot of darker matches and there were many times where i spent the entire match moving forward without fighting mobs, looking for players, and i would go the entire match without finding a single player, half the players die to pve in the first 2 minutes, it would be cool if they 2x the map size and 4 x the player count
@dylanderechter3279
@dylanderechter3279 Жыл бұрын
Bro did you play another game? :D
@SplitPushLoL
@SplitPushLoL Жыл бұрын
@@dylanderechter3279 no? i never tried high roller but i played many matches, the pvp was very fun but as i said, it felt like i would usually only get 1 good fight sometimes 2 in a single match, just looking at the kill feed you see in the first 3 minutes half the lobby dies to pve, but it should be the opposite, more people should be dying near the end of the match, not the beginning
@Dragoncro0wn
@Dragoncro0wn Жыл бұрын
This is just the new game syndrome. Eventually players will learn how to pve and you will get more players alive at the end. It's just a matter of time the pve just becomes irrelevant to everyone.
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
There is a forest map planned for the future with 30+ players
@DunningofKruger
@DunningofKruger Жыл бұрын
You have to know the rooms that healing drops. Also, buy healing potions and bandages you poor bastard and don't take damage to PvE.
@archangel3591
@archangel3591 Жыл бұрын
People misunderstand that 1v3 case. It's not 1v3. It's 1 v potential 15. And the team of 3 is playing 3 v potential 13.
@team4star1
@team4star1 Жыл бұрын
I think the storm would be better if it wasn’t a circle. And instead was rooms collapsing over time. Paths and places would get cut off while you’re exploring, it can kill you, and it physically stops you from going into those rooms, feel like that would be cool.
@biliboyjenkins9064
@biliboyjenkins9064 Жыл бұрын
Nah, playing the storm should be a viable strategy. Solo player/survivor sees two teams fighting 10 mobs for the last 3 blue portals? Wander back into the storm and find your own out if you brought some healing.
@bh6066
@bh6066 Жыл бұрын
The only extracts are towards the end where the circle is small. You're pretty much guaranteed to run into a group of 3 who steamrolled their way through every solo they encountered along the way at this point. It does feel great to get out as a solo but there is a clear disparity between how often/easy you can extract as a party of 3 compared to doing it solo. That's not balance.
@calebcooksey4390
@calebcooksey4390 Жыл бұрын
I'm already facing MAJOR withdrawals...
@IndicatedGoodLife
@IndicatedGoodLife Жыл бұрын
Right? I can't get rid of this feeling. Its like a hard breakup.
@tbtlhart
@tbtlhart Жыл бұрын
Best solo is definitely rogue. Best duo is definitely fighter and cleric. Fighter has ranged and melee options. Cleric is busted with a good fighter on your team. Then barbarian is a good addition to that duo.
@weenewsboy
@weenewsboy Жыл бұрын
Clerics will surprise you. They are one of the best rat strat classes. Hide away in the storm and never really need to worry about coming out.
@Rizzerio1
@Rizzerio1 Жыл бұрын
The people that defend 3 man squads are the same type of people that would despise only ever fighting against 3 man squads. I think the issue with 3 man squads is it disincentives solo players to wear cool/powerful gear they find. Solo players have a higher chance of dying because power by numbers can dictate unwinnable circumstances. If I get a super awesome purp wep, I want to wear it right away, but then I'm taken back by the thought that a 3 man squad can screw me out of this cool item more than anything else can. Unless I'm saturated in gold/items if I die, I'm basically always forced to run away from 3 man squads. Where as, in a group of 3 you are far more loot protected because you have teammates to power in numbers smaller groups, and they can grab your gear/rez you. I'm just spit balling ideas, but it might be more fair for solo/duo's to have their game mode, and something a little spicier for group play with friends, like a 3's or 5's on larger more dangerous maps. A solo player can at least potentially quick kill someone in a 2 man squad and be left in a 1v1, making it far more fair than a 2v1 if it were a party of 3. 3 mans is my tipping point of fairness, otherwise they might as well make the entire thing forced groups imo. We can agree to disagree on this. I don't need to argue hate comments saying this is a terrible idea.
@NOFOCKYOU
@NOFOCKYOU Жыл бұрын
The argument that makes most sense on why no solo queue in this game is that solo queue would just end up being mostly rogues hiding in the dark waiting for other rogues. Yes there would be outliers but it wouldnt change what the majority of people would pick what ever the best class is at the time making the game stale quickly. I play solo so I'm not saying this from a perspective of a person who teams.
@r3de3m74
@r3de3m74 Жыл бұрын
It would ruin the game having a solo queue...
@Dpol85
@Dpol85 Жыл бұрын
I wish they gave you a choice of melee weapons for characters. So you can spawn with 2 single hand weapons for free with the barb for example.
@dylangreen192
@dylangreen192 Жыл бұрын
Hunt: Showdown has a decent solo queue system. You can't stop yourself from playing against duos, but playing solo puts you in a lower MMR game, which should give you a bit of an edge. Also, you won't be matched against trios by default, but you can opt into it for extra rewards.
@NPCGetsFilthy
@NPCGetsFilthy Жыл бұрын
This game is so amazing. I’ve put in like 200 hours within the past two play tests. There’s work that needs to be done but it’s all such surface level stuff. The potential this game has is insane. Till February bois
@bill5742
@bill5742 Жыл бұрын
I play games for years and this is the most fun game I ve ever played. I already miss it.
@tiz7244
@tiz7244 Жыл бұрын
I believe that the best way they can cater to players who want to limit the 1v3s they run into will be to design new maps that cater to the solo playstyle, maybe not fully discouraging the groups from queuing those but making it much less appealing would be staying true to the game vision while giving breathing room for those solos.
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
Recently in the newest playtest they removed one of the advantages trios had, by removing the 3 escape portals that spawn together. So now, teams have to eventually split up, giving more opportunity for solo play. If they keep doing small changes like this, solo queue will not be needed.
@tiz7244
@tiz7244 Жыл бұрын
@@dooddoingstuff That sounds like a good way of shifting balance
@codykeane6107
@codykeane6107 Жыл бұрын
Turns out even with solo queue the queue times are still ridiculously fast, other than when the party bugged/servers went down the games were instant
@quanchis2880
@quanchis2880 Жыл бұрын
There is Solo Que... Goblin map with lesser items. there is the Up to trio que for the better loot, with better mobs & possibility to go further (red portal) for even more amazing loot and it requires teamwork. and even then the trio has to split loot & sometimes there isn't enough portal for the whole group. so acquiring items there is much harder. hence more valuable & rewarding. So if they make solo queue for the better map & have easier time acquiring what others work hard to do as a group would mean that the loot economy ruined slightly and higher gear less valuable.
@harpenoir7561
@harpenoir7561 Жыл бұрын
put a spellbook on a cleric, fast cast buffs and heals to my two barb friends, brought 2 campfires in dungeon. Fantastic time, we were killing between 8-13 players a session it was honestly a blast. Who needs to open doors when you got two barbs breaking everything open
@Omegawhofah
@Omegawhofah Жыл бұрын
I can agree with the concept of the solo queue being annoying from bumping into a 1v3 perspective, but I fear that if folks get a solo queue mode, it'll restrict a lot play styles for means of handling the dungeon. Some classes are very clearly meant to be able to handle players, and some monsters are much more difficult to handle alone as other classes, so they'll just be avoided. One such example would be if a rogue can easily wipe out a player with an ambush quickly, then a solo queue rogue may think twice about ambushing a party of 3. Leaving the game mode of "good luck" as is seems the best learning and potential bonding experience when trying to keep the immersion It's got a lot of room for growth. I just hope changes aren't for appeasing the folks that want to "even it out" that just forces a play style to be less annoying, let alone effective
@zst0rme700
@zst0rme700 Жыл бұрын
The map could use fog of war. Show the details of areas you've explored and leaving everything else as black or whatever color until explored with red for the storm
@aethil
@aethil Жыл бұрын
Probably one of the biggest problems with the solo queue is that almost everyone is going to play with rogue and it will get frustrating to deal with the amount of ambushes since it's almost always a insta kill
@dooddoingstuff
@dooddoingstuff Жыл бұрын
Exactly, solo queue, just like with most other team games with classes, heros, champions (whatever they're called), will always have massive discrepancy in pick rates. DnD would be rogue city, apex was octane/pathfinder mania, overwatch in free for all is just dps characters, and its not really the greatest thing to have classes that are just not picked at all in certain game modes.
@sm3ghe4d22
@sm3ghe4d22 Жыл бұрын
@@dooddoingstuff Idk ive played decent chunk of the goblin caves from the new playtest and I haven't noticed any extreme discrepancy myself. The only class that I felt like I didn't see much was wizard but that's because most seem to off themselves in the killfeed with a fireball xD
@buburbasi3983
@buburbasi3983 Жыл бұрын
Played all 3 playtest and been having a blast. And now I'm having withdrawals from it. Next playtest will on February.
@zulain6213
@zulain6213 Жыл бұрын
i wish they add solo queue but if you play normal and the least players you get a percentage added in profit when you escape
@shadowandpain7855
@shadowandpain7855 Жыл бұрын
For me, in some ways it's similar to Outward. It's just the Outward doesn't have classes.
@brandontucker1898
@brandontucker1898 Жыл бұрын
No
@erastal
@erastal Жыл бұрын
As a Dungeon and Dragon and Path of Exile player, I didn't really play Tarkov cause my aim is shit. Dark and Darker just scratch that loot goblin and dungeon delving, adventuring itch that I have. It check all the boxes
@imtoxicAF
@imtoxicAF Жыл бұрын
Asmond your question on "what the reason to not have a 1v1's only option is because it would kill the game. There are a lot of great battle royale's (aka h1z1) that were destroyed by this option. People would forget about groups and do solo only because they think its cool "The Fad" and get bored with the game entirely resulting in you not getting your moneys worth when you do buy the game????? REASONS TO KEEP 3v3- 1: as a solo player, groups of 3 in your lobby clear rooms faster making mobs eaiser to go through the map after even if you're solo. 2: Solo only would change ppl into campers, *resulting in less fights*. 3: More players would die to mobs resulting in my previous statement. 4: Less groups would excape the map because the group helps each other get all blue portals, if not take red. 5: As a solo it is impossible to finish the 2nd stage (red portal) and there would 100% be less blues resulting in your loot being lossed. I could think of more reasons those are the main reasons why for me. It's a different game from other BR's and I think the devs took most of the things that ruined other games thats why this one is so addictive..
@saizozeke2173
@saizozeke2173 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason of not having solo in game like this, it's because it will have the problem that Apex Legends had in the solo queue mode, is about if a character become broken that's the only character most player will use making other obsolete so they have to balance the character in that mode and probably will affect the trio queue and vice versa, most team games like this are easy to balance in team of 3 or team of 2 cause mage can be OP in solo but can be weak in trios knight can be OP in trios but weak in solo etc its all come to evade the balancing nightmare imagine only having seasons where in solo the only thing you see is berserker only every match and when he's nerf you see mage only and so on that's why teams of 3 its the way to go the only thing I believe they can do for solo players is the same Hunt Showdown (a game kinda like this but is a shooter) is have duo queue so solo players can at least fight vs 2 player that's at least is manageable. (My bad if my writing is not great)
@essadis
@essadis Жыл бұрын
I just love that asmond watches force videos on stream. Go Force go!
@zhanibek8384
@zhanibek8384 Жыл бұрын
I am against solo q because the player base isn't split into skill brackets. So even if the argument of 1v3 of equal skill being unfair is true that would rarely be the case in the actual game. And sometimes going against an unfair odds is just fun. I would however like to see solo players receive additional bonuses to stack the scales so to speak. Maybe solo players upon spawning have a chest in their room with potions, bandages or something else. Or groups would be guaranteed to encounter a mob heavy rooms outside of their spawn points. Or reducing the number or spell casts for groups. Or a myriad of other things of that nature.
@centemochente6922
@centemochente6922 Жыл бұрын
This game makes me feel like I'm 13 and just discovered rpgs, its so good.
@Mainimi
@Mainimi Жыл бұрын
Rogue has insane burst damage (I was running the ambush perk with def down skill on my Rogue) and the game is just clunky enough that circle strafing is strong even against mobs. It's more of a design and balance issue than skill level imo, at least 1v1, hell even 1v2 as a rogue is not that bad depending on the class combo. At least it's kinda bad at solo PvE due to not having a shield against archers.
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