What No One Tells You About Archie Sonic
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Күн бұрынThe age of men is over. The time of Archie Sonic has come.
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TIME STAMPS
00:00:00 - What I Saw that Day
00:03:13 - Part 1.1: The Premise
00:05:55 - Part 1.2: Just Another Saturday Morning
00:13:21 - Part 1.3: Do-It-Yourself Sonic
00:15:59 - Part 1.4: Do It For the Fans
00:17:40 - Part 1.5: The Art
00:19:07 - Part 1.6: This Comic is Called Sonic the Hedgehog, Right?
00:24:18 - Part 1.7: Knock, Knock. It's Knuckles.
00:29:28 - Part 1.8: Sally and Sonic
00:31:51 - Part 1.9: The Changed Coyote
00:37:22 - Part 1.10: Hop, Hop. It's Bunnie.
00:38:07 - Part 1.11: The Michael Jordan of the Freedom Fighters
00:41:40 - Part 1.12: Exceptionally Versatile Evolvanoid (E.V.E.)
00:44:04 - Part 1.13: You Can Bot My Spot, Robotnik.
00:47:05 - Part 1.14: Mecha Madness
00:59:21 - Part 1.15: In Conclusion... Continue!
01:02:36 - Part 2.0: Saturday's End
01:04:40 - Part 2.1: The Stench of Things to Come
01:13:06 - Part 2.2: You Killed the Woman I Loved!
01:15:02 - Part 2.3: Max - The King of Nothing
01:17:16 - Part 2.4: Drago - Nothing But a Simple Wiener
01:18:04 - Part 2.5: Ze Changed Coyote
01:21:56 - Part 2.6: Oh no! What'd they do to my son!?
01:24:10 - Part 2.7: A Low for the Art
01:27:08 - Part 2.8: Explain the Plot Already, Dummy!
01:30:29 - Part 2.9: As You Know, Dragons Cannot Tell Lies
01:33:37 - Part 2.10: This Comic IS Called SONIC the Hedgehog... RIGHT!?
01:35:36 - Part 2.11: We Were All Duped
01:37:25 - Part 2.12: The Potential of Endgame
01:38:42 - Part 2.13: The End of Endgame
01:40:36 - Part 2.14: Wait. Where's Robotnik?
01:42:39 - Part 2.15: You Saved the Woman I Loved!
01:44:52 - Part 2.16: Sonic Quest
01:47:39 - Part 2.17: In Conclusion... Game over.
01:48:32 - Part 3.0: After the End
01:49:20 - Part 3.1: How do you continue?
01:53:53 - Part 3.2: Max - A King Who's Nuts
01:55:11 - Part 3.3: Sonic - A Hero with No Villain
01:58:40 - Part 3.4: Ixis Naugus
02:01:12 - Part 3.5: Sonic - A Hero Again
02:02:23 - Part 3.6: Problems and Ambition
02:07:16 - Part 3.7: A New Beginning
02:09:18 - Part 3.8: The World Adventure
02:16:45 - Part 3.9: The World Adventure - B-side
02:20:45 - Part 3.10: Who is Nate Morgan?!?
02:24:18 - Part 3.11: The Final Fight (Seriously, WHO IS NATE MORGAN?!?)
02:27:22 - Part 3.12: The World Adventure is Over
02:31:11 - Part 4.1: Trying to Accept Archie "Sonic"
02:38:46 - Part 4.2: The Green Eyes Story
02:41:43 - Part 4.3: he's... back?
02:49:35 - Part 4.4: As You Know, Lowarts Can Tell Lies
02:52:49 - Part 4.5: A New Beginning... Again
Other Credits:
- Link to Sally Sega World Image archives: / segaworldsydney
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- IanWaffles interview with Ian Flynn: • BumbleKast for May 13t...
@valenciaga4059 Жыл бұрын
i am forever going to laugh at the “tails i don’t have a big enough word bubble”
@KirbySonicTeam Жыл бұрын
YEEES
@nomadspeed Жыл бұрын
That's equivalent exchange for ya!
@robertkovarna8294 Жыл бұрын
@@nomadspeed What's equivalent exchange?
@comixproviderftw_02 Жыл бұрын
That was like a Snapcube bit 😂
@Xarcert_Moreldon Жыл бұрын
@@robertkovarna8294 It's the best Minecraft mod. Also Fullmetal Alchemist.
@splattwig Жыл бұрын
laughing my ass off at the girl who attempted to “I can fix him” Robotnik
@poniko6034 9 ай бұрын
Honestly love to see it
@Ultra04channel 7 ай бұрын
Honestly she wasn't even trying to fix him. Seems like she enjoys the fact that he's a crazy megalomaniacal tyrant.
@traps-wg3gt 4 ай бұрын
which of the characters was it? what's her name? XDXDXD
@splattwig 4 ай бұрын
@@traps-wg3gt wasn’t a character. Was a reader sending in letters.
@Colddirector Жыл бұрын
That Tammy bit is wild. At first I was giggling at this wierd chick being into the fat robot cartoon man, but turned to straight up guffawing when they responded in character as Sonic offering to set her up with some guys at the office.
@DragonHead771 8 ай бұрын
Honestly though its pretty creepy
@alfalldoot6715 8 ай бұрын
@@DragonHead771Which part? The lady joking about being into Eggman or the editors joking about offering themselves up instead? It ain't that deep bro.
@doronaznible7298 5 ай бұрын
@@DragonHead771not really lol. Everyone there is clearly having a joke around there. I sincerely doubt this woman ever took any of them up on that offer. Besides what’s creepy about asking people on dates?
@TheRxtnNero 4 ай бұрын
@doronaznible7298 the fact that these were all three old men and the girl in question looked like a teenager would be the weird and creepy part, back then comic book artists were openly depraved people
@nicholassgobero 4 ай бұрын
@@TheRxtnNerotbf, It didn't seem like They actually gave her their numbers or any way to contact them personally, Just their First name, so there's that
@CapnJigglypuff Жыл бұрын
"Tails, I don't have a big enough word bubble!" is actually really good and on-brand for that point in the series. Excellent work!
@viaticaleye 2 ай бұрын
i agree
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@viaticaleyeI agree.
@cameronwyatt9467 Жыл бұрын
Robotnik is proof that villains don't need to be super deep or multilayered to be good and compelling. He's evil, he's a sadist, he's incredibly competent when you get right down to it, and he's hilarious. Sometimes that's all you need.
@jamalhartley5863 Жыл бұрын
Strangely even when he does have more nuance and layers as a character. You know deep down, he's still evil and he is total okay with that🤣. Honestly he's the first person I think of when I hear the word megalomaniac.
@forkempty Жыл бұрын
I imagine that he and a certain DreamWorks villain would get along fine, if not try to off each other immediately.
@hund7458 Жыл бұрын
tammy wouldn't like you saying that you know
@morningbowl3156 Жыл бұрын
“You wouldn’t shoot a hedgehog in the face would you Robotnik?” “Yeah in the face watch”
@calvinanderson4245 Жыл бұрын
@@forkempty"Y'know, Ivo. I can call you Ivo, right? I respect you." "Well, Jack, I happen to respect you as well! Perhaps you respect me enough to lower that crossbow?" "Only if you lower that gun first. Well, no, we both know you'd just raise it again immediately. And I would too, of course, but that's beside the point."
@DamashiTheKaotic Жыл бұрын
"As you know Dragons cannot tell lies" might be simultaneously the worst exposition, and funniest resolution to a multi issue conflict I have ever heard.
@Hugsloth Жыл бұрын
reminds me of the Face arc in Fairy Tail. the entire arc all the characters are struggling to stop a doomsday weapon and at the final hour, everyone fails so The Dragons return out of fucking nowhere and destroy the Face on their own, saving everybody. hated it, i dropped the show after that
@wildfire9280 Жыл бұрын
@@Hugsloth well at least this one was funny
@amesstarline5482 Жыл бұрын
With how redundant Endgame was, releasing around a year or less after the previous mini-arc of Sonic being falsely accused for something read as traitor-like, it was needed.
@maxentirunos Жыл бұрын
@@Hugsloth Did you drop it at that, or after you got the explanation of where the dragons had disappeared to and why they came back now ?
@Hugsloth Жыл бұрын
@@maxentirunos I know there are story reasons they were gone I just hate that the entire season was pointless because the dragons do everything at the last second
@hotdiggedydemon Жыл бұрын
Can't believe this ended right before you got to the part about Robotnik having WMDs
@jakespacepiratee3740 Жыл бұрын
Well it comes with the abreviation game: Eggman has ICBMS, Robotnik had WMDs and Rouge had STDs.
@shatteredscry Жыл бұрын
@@jakespacepiratee3740 and Sally has squaids. It's serious sh**
@iris_ofthestorm4260 Жыл бұрын
Oh hey Max
@sethisevilone02 Жыл бұрын
To be fair in sa1 eggman tried to nuke station square So I guess that the closest we got to that
@BungaUnga111 Жыл бұрын
What?!
@vice7107 Жыл бұрын
From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU, thank you for naming all the different writers, artists, and not just making dumb jokes of how crazy Ken Penders was, this kind of videos is what we need
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@nicksrandomreviews Жыл бұрын
The funniest thing about Archie Sonic, is how inconsistently consistent the quality is. The comic can go from some of the greatest sequential art of its time, to the kind of trash not fit for publication. In the same issue. Sometimes on the same page. Also, the time where Eggman actually causes Sonic to downright lose his shit, was hype as hell.
@beauwalker9820 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Archie Sonic oddly has some of the best and worst Sonic stories I've ever seen. I still prefer it over IDW Sonic though, which are mostly just "ok" stories.
@nicksrandomreviews Жыл бұрын
@@beauwalker9820 I would say IDW is more consistent. Most of it is good, some of it is great, but its also less interesting than Archie Sonic. Archie Sonic is like driving by a train wreck that was also somehow a plane crash. When its bad, it is fascinatingly bad. And usually its Penders' fault. Not always. But usually. He might even be the most interesting man in all of comics.
@SpaceManRD Жыл бұрын
@@nicksrandomreviews "Good to great" is generally a whole lot better than "interesting like a train wreck (because one of the head writers is insane)" as far as ongoing issue-to-issue stories go, unless I'm completely missing something. Feels like kind of a nebulous criticism to avoid just admitting that you don't like IDW that much.
@dianavespid937 Жыл бұрын
@@SpaceManRD I personally do not care about Sonic too much so I'm more attracted by Ken Penders's madness and unhinged stuff than "wanting to see a good Sonic story".
@moosesues8887 Жыл бұрын
@@dianavespid937 nah ur weird 🤨
@hannahpestell18 Жыл бұрын
does anyone else get a chill of fear whenever ken penders is mentioned
@WhinyB Жыл бұрын
I just “sigh” cause I know what’s coming.
@windows98alpha35 Жыл бұрын
I probably would if this community would shut up about the guy for more than a day. Hearing the name over and over again desensitizes you.
@fxailing1201 Жыл бұрын
@@windows98alpha35 I wouldn’t even care about him if he didn’t take Scourge, he can have all his off brand knuckles and weird self insert characters but Scourge was at least a cool and innovative way to put a spin on what essentially what metal sonic and Shadow already was.
@dtester Жыл бұрын
I don't get a chill but I get a thought, "What an idiot!" I learned about him more recently as I was never into the Sonic comics other than selling them since I worked at a comic store during that time. This is a guy who managed to win but also lose, BIG, because he actually just killed his own legacy and career.
@ladyibis580 Жыл бұрын
Nah, I just go 'welp, this is when the shit hits the fan'
@NYCOPYGUY 6 ай бұрын
Hi Lowart - Paul Castiglia here. Thank you so much for the kind shout-out to my story in SONIC #30. Curious what you thought of my more serious tale in issue #70. It was actually inspired by quotes (both written and verbalized) by fans. I won't be offended if you didn't care for it. Thanks again. Though the precise details have long since flown away like a bat out of my belfry, overall my time as an editor, promo guy, behind-the-scenes cog, and occasional writer on Sonic is a fond memory.
@KirbySonicTeam 6 ай бұрын
Hey Paul! this is IanWaffles the co writer for these videos. Thanks so much for commenting! Its so cool to see the people who worked on these comics so long ago still care about it in some small way. We actually did talk about that issue 70 story in part 2 of this retrospective series, "How Archie Sonic Lost is Mind" starting around 35:43. id love to hear your feedback or mindset for when writing it if you check out the video, and I hope you check out the rest of these videos if you find the time or interest. Take care!
@NYCOPYGUY 6 ай бұрын
Thank you - I will check it out!
@Chaosqueenngami 3 ай бұрын
Personally I loved that issue. I loved so many of the issues. I was actually reading the comic back when it was actually coming out and have the paper copy of that issue. I know that St John gets a lot of hate, but I liked the back and forth between him and Sonic.
@hunterwartabeager6380 Жыл бұрын
I think the last rave about how Robotnik seems to hold the entire comic up is a really great character study how every story with a villain secretly rotates around the villain and how the heroes respond to them. If your villain is unremarkable or lame, the story typically tends to follow suit
@CantusTropus 8 ай бұрын
Well, that's because good stories require conflict, and that conflict is usually provided by a villain (some stories can get away with not having one, but those are usually more grounded slice of life deals). Without conflict, there's no story.
@Godzilla00X 7 ай бұрын
Stan Lee has stated that a "hero is only as good as his villain"
@stevepensando2593 7 ай бұрын
Eh, it depends. The really great stories tend to have great villains in them, but good stories can also have the villain as its weakest part, while still being good. Zootopia is a good example
@mrbanks456 Жыл бұрын
This is exactly the kind of lengthy video essay Archie Sonic needed. It's refreshing to see this comic receive a big ol analysis and praising some merit it had as opposed to hearing about how crazy Ken Penders is for the 1000th time.
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Жыл бұрын
have you been on Twitter people talk all about arcs an rarely mention Ken also Ken is not nearly as bad as people say thou I beg to have my Saffron back Ken please I will pay you
@mrbanks456 Жыл бұрын
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 You're in different circles than me I guess. Penders never goes unmentioned.
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Жыл бұрын
@@mrbanks456 today a artist kept adding other users ocs on a couch via many drawings it was oddly precious
@kingofthegundam7974 Жыл бұрын
I mean, Penders IS crazy, but he wasn't the only writer on that comic, and plenty of other people like Karl Bollers deserve praise for their work.
@mattkugelman4369 Жыл бұрын
@@kingofthegundam7974 I think the problem is, penders was so influential on the comics, that he overshadows the rest of the writers, even the stuff that was considered good in the book
@aggressivelymediocre350 Жыл бұрын
Well I cannot say I expected Antoine character analysis in 2023, even just a 5 minute one
@erikbihari3625 Жыл бұрын
Niether am I all of this!
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Жыл бұрын
The early ‘20s have been full of surprises. This is luckily one of the better ones
@erikbihari3625 Жыл бұрын
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770. I wouldn't call it like that.
@hitbycars Жыл бұрын
What can be said in five minutes? Give me five hours. He was Usopp before Usopp.
@DoctorMario606 Жыл бұрын
@@hitbycars goated
@AzriusN Жыл бұрын
"Having to deal with a calculating dictator is better than dealing with a cataclysmic moron." Huh. I never realized Portal 2 cribbed its story from Archie Comics' Sonic.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@silversonome5360 16 күн бұрын
do NOT let Ken Penders find this comment, the last thing we need is that fucker trying to sue Valve for "stealing his story"
@Algahiem Жыл бұрын
In hindsight, I think it's fair to say that the moment Geoffrey St. John was introduced, It marked the subtle beginning of the the slow, subtle, gradual, rot of the Archie Sonic Universe.
@camerondalton1495 Жыл бұрын
Who?
@faeb.9618 Жыл бұрын
@@camerondalton1495 a skunk character that is widely known for being a creep preying on sally and desperately wanting to get with her. basically an incel that was only on the good side because writing said so. also he's in his late twenties iirc (definitely an adult) while sally is 16. penders created him so it makes sense, though, one of the most infamous parts of this is penders tweeting how if archie didn't stop him he would've liked to tell the story of how he took sally's virginity and thus was "faster" than sonic somewhere
@camerondalton1495 Жыл бұрын
@@faeb.9618 Dang, well that is pretty awful. Yeah, I can see why people don't look highly on Archie Sonic. Though I gotta ask does the community feel that the good outweighs the bad somewhat?
@faeb.9618 Жыл бұрын
@@camerondalton1495 oh definitely, the archie run is still looked back at fondly and people do still miss it a lot and wish it had gotten a better chance. personally while i did skip a lot of the early issues (a mix of hard to find online back when i was reading plus being extremely put off by the creepy stuff) i enjoyed it a lot post genesis wave and i still reread some of the issues that were big favorites of mine. the megaman crossovers in particular were great
@doomsdayrabbit4398 Жыл бұрын
@@faeb.9618 It was Penders getting too big for his britches that did it.
@CrimsonMoonM Жыл бұрын
I love the idea that OG Robotnik's legacy lived on as a result of him showing kindness and empathy for someone else. The fact that the one he showed such decency towards were a version of himself keeps it in-character, but it's still nutty that someone decided to pick up his legacy because he made an honest attempt at saving another egg-themed tyrant from depression.
@Azumith29 Жыл бұрын
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@bauz5565 8 ай бұрын
That’s beautiful man
@sintanan469 Жыл бұрын
The big problem with Geoffrey, from my understanding, is he was a pure creation and self-insert for Ken before he went unleashed on Knuckles' storyline.
@fightingmedialounge519 Жыл бұрын
Not exactly why he exist. He's more of a 007 homage.
@ExValeFor Жыл бұрын
@@fightingmedialounge519 Because that's Ken's self-insert (his ego is that massive)
@fightingmedialounge519 Жыл бұрын
@@ExValeFor knuckles is closer to being his self insert. He even gave knuckles problems with his father like him.
@Mephitinae Жыл бұрын
All writing requires a certain level of self-insertion. If a writer can't relate to his own characters, then readers can't either. It does look like Penders was hijacking the story with the side characters though.
@felixdaniels37 Жыл бұрын
@@Mephitinae There's a world of difference between connecting with your own characters, and self-inserting as them. Penders' writing falls squarely into the latter, and it ultimately does nothing but alienates readers.
@Purpie_Slurpie Жыл бұрын
Robotnik truly is the glue that holds the series together, huh? From an outsider's perspective you would never know it, but once you look a bit deeper it becomes quite clear. 10/10 I love video essays, this was a joy to watch through and through
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@Gohka Жыл бұрын
Whenever a character in a comic is just explaining what is happening in the panel it tells me one of two things usually, either they had no idea what to write and thought they wouldn't keep the reader's attention if there isn't at least one speech bubble on each panel. Or they thought the art was so bad that the reader would struggle to understand what was going on in the given scene.
@ketaminepoptarts Жыл бұрын
i think it also means that the writers are treating it as a novel instead of as a comic book, so they end up writing paragraphs explaining whats going on when you can literally see it
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@ketaminepoptarts I agree.
@mechadeka 22 күн бұрын
A R A K I
@darknessrising2453 Жыл бұрын
1:14:03 Friendly reminder to all Sally Acorn fans that this is how Kenders WANTED Sally's story to end, with her dying thinking her beloved Sonic had betrayed her (think about that the next time you want to claim Ian "hates her").
@SapphireKnight675 Жыл бұрын
Ian still took down a fan site that had all the Sonic comics, came up the "Sonic Mandates", and had sent his fans to silence people, know it's about Sally, but eh, he still has his crimes
@darknessrising2453 Жыл бұрын
@@SapphireKnight675 Ian follows the mandates specifically because that's how his higher-ups want the comics to be written, nothing less and nothing more. I don't know what "crimes" you're talking about, but Ian never sent his fans to silence people. If anyone would be behind taking down sites that had their Comics on it would be Sega. Unless you have actual evidence aside from second-hand information or out-of-context claims, don't bother spreading false info just because you hate the guy's work.
@SapphireKnight675 Жыл бұрын
@@darknessrising2453 Sonic ScanF had a letter why they took the comics section down mentioning Ian and a BumbleKing site, or check out lance jerkov, How one man's ego is killing Sonic, at 27-00 and 32-26, and now thinking about it, they're more petty than crimes
@darknessrising2453 Жыл бұрын
@@SapphireKnight675 And just like that, you killed off your argument. Lance, like many other Anti-Ian fans, outright despises anything and everything connected to Ian to the point where he'll spread out-of-context lies in a vain attempt to force him off the comics, just like that nonsensical U4S movement. If anyone's petty, it's him and anyone who supports his nonsense. Unlike those idiots, I do actual research on his history instead of just looking for excuses to pretend he's the worst thing to happen to the Sonic fandom. Unless you have some actual physical/visual evidence that isn't backed by biased haters or out-of-context info, don't bother me again.
@raikohzx4323 Жыл бұрын
@@SapphireKnight675 You've got absolutely no idea how any of that works and Sega came up with the mandates, not Ian.
@YouluC Жыл бұрын
Man, when I realized Sally was replaced by a robo-doppelgänger (and the stink, let’s be real) in her own series, I knew Sally was heading for trouble. Early Sally was very endearing, thanks for reminding me of that. Boy did I hate Geoffrey for being stitched onto Sally, ugh. And Max, ooh boy. The exposition dialogue from the characters got grating, that was what initially put me off of reading it all until I came back years later. I actually did love Elias the most out of all side characters, felt like he was the only Acorn that was taken care of the most.
@amesstarline5482 Жыл бұрын
Things like Sally's temporary replacement have me grateful for those like Tania Del Rio, giving Sally someone else (being Nicole becoming more than just a device) to talk with that isn't shoved as her love interest- which is interesting considering the buildup Sally had with Nicole in the reboot, being not forced at all and more another look at their dynamic. Sally deserved better than being sidelined by generic designs and Pedo Skunk.
@michaelbullen3104 Жыл бұрын
seeing footage of ken penders talking about people wanting to kill antoine caused me to absolutely die laughing for whatever reason
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@stevensmith1031 Жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up reading this series instead of anything remotely cool, I thoroughly enjoyed this. I said this on Cybershell's recent Penders video, but Archie Sonic is such a weirdly fascinating piece of pop culture. It went on for so long and deviated so much from its source material, to the point where for a while it was basically one of the lead writer's own weird sci-fi story with Sonic characters in the background. But then under Ian Flynn is actually got pretty damn good, even making those weird original elements compelling. It's a wild ride for a series.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@YungandRekless545 Жыл бұрын
The sad thing is, the comic did genuinely get better around the mid 2000's, but the series reputation is pretty much defined and remembered for all the bad issues that came before it
@beauwalker9820 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, though I think the series had more good then bad issues. I even enjoyed the early cheesy, goofy, kiddy, stories. (C'mon, Robotnik wearing an Elvis wig is comedy gold.)
@MGrey-qb5xz Жыл бұрын
i don't think many people even know this exists aside from "yeah there are sonic comics"
@rappingbeaniedog347 Жыл бұрын
yeah, I am so sad about that too, because around 160 is when it actually got pretty great. The stuff that came before was no longer actually needed, but it added context at least. But god, the love triangles and assassination of Sally's character was sooooo painful. Geoffrey St. John was the absolute worst if it wasn't the echidna comics.
@aggressivelymediocre350 Жыл бұрын
It is genuinely unfathomable that at the point in the series this video ends at it will be over 100 issues including spin-off material before this comic gets good again. I skimmed those issues so hard I cannot remember a thing about them so part 2 will definitely be a wild ride
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Жыл бұрын
I don't believe 98% of these deserve any real hate their fun but if adapted into animation be modified a bit hehe this goes for later arcs too
@Gloomdrake Жыл бұрын
I haven't read any of them, myself, but how can you be sure they're not good if you skimmed them?
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Жыл бұрын
@@Gloomdrake facts so many out of context post seem to be overly valued on Twitter
@anaveragegamingchannel1843 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say that. Bollers' run was pretty good, especially Return to Angel Island.
@aggressivelymediocre350 Жыл бұрын
@@anaveragegamingchannel1843 Yeah I may have been a bit too harsh. “Consistently good” probably would’ve been a better phrase. There’s plenty of good moments in there.
@sadglovem3678 Жыл бұрын
Archie Robotnik/Eggman is absolutely terrifying and despite how messy Endgame was that final fight between him and Sonic was amazingly climactic. Honestly his "return" has to be one of the most dread-inducing things I read as a child
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@codybaier Жыл бұрын
Archie Sonic is incredible; so many things came together to make a comic so crazy and out there that no other comic will ever come around like it again, for better or worse. All that narration actually has an explanation; the writers of Archie Sonic all came from superhero comics (DC mostly), and that kind of dramatic narration is omnipresent there, and a ton of old superhero comics would have characters describe what was happening because the sequential art medium was still pretty new. So the writers of Archie Sonic kept a lot of those old habits.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@FwendlyMushwoom Жыл бұрын
Every single character talking the same is the biggest problem with Ken Penders' writing. He's incapable of writing different characters, he only writes Ken Penders.
@DipperPines1986 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, Ken is good at creating concepts and characters, but he can't write them well.
@riahlexington Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@riahlexington Жыл бұрын
@@DipperPines1986 honestly he reminds me way too much of George Lucas
@Spectre-907 Жыл бұрын
It’s truly a shame that the span of the story that had, by a *massive* margin, the most intricate and detailed art had to also be plagued by PendersWriting™️
@riahlexington Жыл бұрын
@The Eye Creature it’s because they both do lots of world building and have good ideas but can’t write characters and especially dialogue for shit.
@sonicfoamyfan9805 Жыл бұрын
Gotta say, after finishing this video its better than I thought it would be. I've never heard so much praise for Archie outside of the stuff written by Ian Flynn, really just telling it how it is and finding the bright spots from the stuff people kinda stop thinking about because its not the weird stuff that became a meme
@tigerfestivals5137 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it always bothered me that the wider internet discourse about the comic seemed to be "wow the Archie Sonic comic was really weird and bad" when there were always actually genuinely interesting or good parts in the series from the start.
@cragl3yman343 Жыл бұрын
@@tigerfestivals5137 The issue is pretty much Ken Penders and his team causing a lot of meme mess spread throughout the fandom. And the Comic through Penders kinda became a Scapegoat of hate.
@tigerfestivals5137 Жыл бұрын
@@cragl3yman343 Ken isn't the only one who made dumb or meme worthy stories and art though
@cragl3yman343 Жыл бұрын
@@tigerfestivals5137 You misread what I typed. I meant that on the Internet Ken Penders and his team were memed to death on the internet. Lowart here is showing the real truth through this video and the future parts :P
@fightingmedialounge519 Жыл бұрын
@@tigerfestivals5137 I haven't really seen anyone say there wasn't anything good about archie sonic when it started. It just gets memed on so much because it has ideas that this franchise hasn't seen before,and hasn't seen since.
@Colddirector Жыл бұрын
Honestly, this video kinda gives me an appreciation for the incredibly tricky balancing act Sonic stories have to pull - they work best when there's serious stakes involved to make it more than just silly cartoon antics but with just the right balance of goofy to keep it from edgy grimdark BS. Some of the games strike that balance intentionally (S3&K, Sonic Mania, Sonic CD), some of them (sort of) unintentionally (Sonic Adventure), and some go way too far in either direction (Sonic 06, Shadow the Edgehog, Sonic Colours)
@whaleping Жыл бұрын
Shadow the Hedgehog using a Gun is inherently goofy, because he’s supposed to be way faster than a bullet.
@clawcakes2 Жыл бұрын
@@whaleping i always thought the goofiness appeal of shadow with a gun comes from him being a silly cartoon hedgehog wielding a deadly hyper-realistic weapon but that's also really great. huge fan
@Blanktester685 11 ай бұрын
tell me you haven't played any of those games without telling me lmao.
@Colddirector 11 ай бұрын
@@Blanktester685 Ive played s3&k, mania, cd, adventure, and colours. i haven't played 06 or edgy hedgy but i've seen a full lets play of the former and a decent chunk of the latter
@mcnaughty5387 9 ай бұрын
None of these are even remotely your own thoughts or opinions. You just got all that from other people who've said the same thing verbatim, instead of thinking for yourself.
@mushroomkaat2667 6 ай бұрын
"give me a break he was drawn in silhouette" that is honestly one of the best 4th wall breaks ever. I should read early archie sonic
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed ❤❤❤❤❤
@Rusty_Spy Жыл бұрын
I can't tell you how long I've wanted someone to do full retrospective of the entire comic rather than just go over the cliff-notes. Its such a fascinating and off the wall story that other videos only scratch the surface of.
@fightingmedialounge519 Жыл бұрын
There's the archie sonic digest. It's goes over the run from it's first issue to it's last.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@fightingmedialounge519 Ok.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@neasalcryovol6052 Жыл бұрын
Geoffrey St John being in any romance with Sally is even worse because Geoffrey has to be well into adulthood. For context, Sally is 17 and her brother is 21. In a flashback to when her brother was a baby and before Sally was born, Geoffrey is shown to be kid. Meaning he is way older than 21😬
@theapexsurvivor9538 Жыл бұрын
The skunk is a predator? Who woulda thunk it?
@FancyBreadSticks Жыл бұрын
Nah bro, you're telling me that this character is a pedophile? Naaaaaaaah 💀💀💀💀 but then again, I'm not surprised. 🦨= 👴🏻 " You killed the woman I love. "
@wantedbird55srandomchannel28 9 ай бұрын
Then Ken Penders tries to use squirrel years and Utah's age of consent to not look creepy yet only looks more creepy and petty.
@SeiferA2001 Жыл бұрын
Talking as someone who grew up reading the comedic first issues up until the metallic arc, I have to admit I appreciate this retrospective not just for covering stuff I didn’t read, but also to give me validation that there WAS actual charm in those early comics. Friends use to tell me those stories were way too childish and kiddy and weren’t worth reading, so again, kinda needed to see that. Can’t wait to see how much more batshit insane this gets from here
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@mitch_universe4058 Жыл бұрын
I actually unironically like the Eggman design in the center of the page at 2:49:32, I would love to see this design actually come to fruition at some point. That eggman looks like he would ride a motorcycle and have huge tattoos on his biceps.
@tylercoon1791 Жыл бұрын
Eggman Melee Build
@RaphielShiraha64 Жыл бұрын
The thing of "dragons can't tell lies" is actually something that exist in a lot of medias, is especially common in stuff like japanese media, i probably watch 5 or more animes with dragons saying some kind of stuff like that, a huge part of the media like making dragons be "royal" and "pure" wanting to have "honorable fights" and etc. Of course this don't apply to ALL media, but is a trope that actually does exist.
@christopherbravo1813 11 ай бұрын
funny how in certain media the Dragon does nothing *but* lie.
@snowballthepro2926 8 ай бұрын
It's not a bad concept for a dragon being completely honest and truthful. It would have worked if the story gave ANY attempts to tell us that nugget of an important fact before it came into play
@Fanatic_Foremem Жыл бұрын
The ammount of effort you took to not pile all the blame for this onto penders is really admirable, even people who KNOW he wasn't the only one responsible for the wreckage will usually hyperfocus on the pattern of the downwards spiral and him switching to a solo writer happening around the same time. Its super easy to look to the future and judge the past on the light that future casts, but you went the extra mile and stuck from the perspective of the comic at that time.
@daelen.cclark Жыл бұрын
There were a lot of people that brought down the book. (though I still think Penders took it way too far.)
@Fanatic_Foremem Жыл бұрын
@@daelen.cclark I would still personally point the finger at penders going solo as what shifted everything, the others had some stumbles but with one of the centerfolds of the series being what Kenders wrote, a lot of the other creators worst traits would mix with his to be even worse than before. But I do like that there's a perspective out there that tries to approach it with more fairness and objectivity than me.
@daelen.cclark Жыл бұрын
@@Fanatic_Foremem Agreed. But I’m still glad Flynn came on board, despite Sega’s restrictions. (Penders did kinda make everyone else worse, didn’t he?)
@eloujtimereaver4504 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that must have taken a lot of restraint, Penders is waaaaaay too easy to hate. While of course alot of his issues are widely visible, he is a red herring, none of the problems he produced would have happened without poor oversight and a myriad of other issues.
@TheZatharias Жыл бұрын
Lowart somehow getting Flynn and Penders replying in the same thread is an expert act of diplomacy
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@yendys6375 Жыл бұрын
Towards the end where it gets REEAALLY spicy it gets me thinking about how unsatisfied I was when Sonic SatAM ended. Snively was taking over, Robotic defeated, and we meet a mysterious creature with red eyes while Snively says "and I'm NOT ALOoNNE!" like ugh! I want closure on that ending so bad. It was a great series and same for Underground too --they never carried out the vow lol
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@dankwaifu2093 Жыл бұрын
Archie Sonic is my favorite Sonic continuity, pre-reboot especially, massive warts and all. It was so incredible as a kid, sometime in 2008, to find a comic doing what I'd always done in my head, blend all these characters and concepts from across Sonic media together. It's really refreshing to hear someone talk about it, to talk about the Gallagher era, surprisingly, with such thoroughness and sincerity for what you loved and hated. I feel that discussion about Archie Sonic in the larger fandom has deteriorated almost entirely in recent years, particularly for anything pre-Ian. The series gets treated like it's some bizarre footnote in Sonic's history, one that's only really brought up through tired Penders memes and misinformation. There's a huge barrier to entry, and a lot of people are more interested in a Sonic that's more on-brand to what's current nowadays, but I'm glad there are still some folks out there taking The Ride and finding stuff to enjoy.
@papagarchomp6326 Жыл бұрын
What's the misinformation? I don't mean to be rude, I'm just curious.
@amesstarline5482 Жыл бұрын
@@papagarchomp6326Things like Penders suing Archie (Archie sued him- over contract disputes and Penders wanting to be paid for all of his characters), those who think every pre-Flynn character is Penders-made (Mina was Bollers, Athair was by Gallagher and Holo-Lynx form Nicole was Tania Del Rio), etc. As someone who will defend the Reboot, I kind of wish IDW was more integrated with game-comic synergy, instead of "games canon move on". There's a chance because Sally and the SatAM cast is owned by DiC, they could be bought, but this isn't likely. Spinball returning to canon does make you wonder however.
@dankwaifu2093 Жыл бұрын
@@papagarchomp6326 More misinformation than I care to list, really. It's not just one thing, it's a bunch of little things that spread and mutate. Generally, I'll say there's a lot of fans, those who have never touched the series, who pull up material from Archie out of context and fill in the blinks themselves with false information and half-truths. This can extend past the comic itself to the people who worked on it, or the various behind-the-scenes details and drama.
@beauwalker9820 Жыл бұрын
@@amesstarline5482 I think Ken made Sega too paranoid to use Sally & Co. as they probably fear getting into legal battles over them too, with whomever their creators are... And Ken did kinda try to copyright his characters behind their backs, (and flat out admitted this on his website) and got very upset over "Sonic Chronicles" kinda referencing his stories, (particularly how the echidna brotherhood being a little similar to his Dark Echidna Legion, which according to Bioware was an intentional harmless homage to Archie Sonic, but Ken took it as "ripping him off") so he's not entirely innocent either. The Penders incidents also lead to the reboots of the comics. So it's a little understandable why he's become a bit disliked by Sonic fans. I've even heard stories of fans whom had bad experiences with him... Regardless, I do think it's unfair when people say "all" his stories and characters were bad, when honestly they weren't. In fact, he made some pretty good ones, and he helped expand the comic's world building. Even writer Ian Flynn was a huge fan of Ken's works, and build on his stories/characters. So even Ian fans owe some of Ian's best stories to Ken.
@amesstarline5482 Жыл бұрын
@@beauwalker9820 Despite how Sally wasn't even introduced by him.. I'm more willing to bet the Sally situation is a delayed side effect of the Depiction Merger, where some Western Elements (like the surname Robotnik, Chili Dogs, and the brotherly dynamic of Sonic and Tails) carried over, but Western-formed characters like Sally, Tekno from Fleetway, and Alucion from the French Adventures book are no-goes. This may be a similar reason as to why we don't have the TV Show Caveman from Mario World in later games, or any allusion to Captain N in Smash Bros.
@TurtleDoodle1 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad someone is finally dissecting the entirety of Archie Sonic this way! Please continue making these!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@sonictoast Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the effort and thoughtful analysis put into this video. I grew up reading this comic every month for a straight 24 years. I love the comic greatly, but yeah, I know it has lots of flaws. I'm happy that you read it and can acknowledge its merit while while still administering a fair critique. I hope you do a continuation video. The later issues are really weird and a lot of fun.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Me too
@DoritoGOD2811 Жыл бұрын
All the stuff about needing to read the Knuckles spin-off to make sense of anything is funny because this is standard stuff in comic books. As a person familiar with comic books, this stuff is expected. But when you take a step back and look at it you realize how absolutely psychotic the practice is.
@Haze01Smash 8 ай бұрын
The spin-offs with required reading, the overdone narration, and the ever-changing roster of writers and artists certainly all have been and continue to be problems in Marvel and DC comics. They're some of the problems that made reading manga feel so much better because of their absence.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@Haze01SmashI agree.
@rocky-my5ck Жыл бұрын
Dude, you perfectly portrait how it felt reading most of the middle chapters
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@cadis4257 Жыл бұрын
Sigh, I truly miss the Archie Sonic run. For all its faults, I loved it wholeheartedly. I loved how unique it was and how it really did do things you never saw anywhere else. I miss the family that the characters were given. I miss Jules and Locke. I miss Julie-Su and her relationship with Knuckles. I miss the freedom fighters. I miss how vast the world was and how there was so many unique things yoy never saw anywhere else. The cool villains like Dr. Finitevus and Enerjak too the sympathetic but still evil Snively. Sadly, all these things and so much more are now lost and it is depressing to think about. Losing well over a decade of such writing is a true lose. Espacially when it was in an era that was still going strong and had a healthy fan base. Yet now it the story was abruptly ended and that's heartbreaking. I wish things were different. That it hadn't ended like this. Sigh, I wish things were able to at least conclude. Part of me hopes one day it could come back, but sadly we all know that's lower then winning the lotto.
@fightingmedialounge519 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t exactly say the fanabse was healthy back then. Archie went through multiple stages of the sonic fandom.
@macuma5533 Жыл бұрын
Well the problem is that many of those things you've mentioned were genuinely expanded after Ian Flynn took over (not all, but many), and that's after issue 160, I think, that's a lot of issues without a lot of substance
@LikaLaruku Жыл бұрын
Julie-Su had become my favorite female character, until she was latter dumbed-down & made more girly.
@Ghostguy693 Жыл бұрын
Man, I miss Shard...
@Kwizzy8406 9 ай бұрын
“Tammy would be proud” Tammy! My guy Tammy must be bowling her eyes out, since Eggman was dead for two years, and now was brought back, but not actually.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@415-k1ub 9 ай бұрын
The awfulness of the overnarration really shows why the "Show Don't Tell" rule is so important, especially in a visual media like a comic book.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed ❤❤❤❤❤
@sonicfoamyfan9805 Жыл бұрын
Theres never enough love or promotion for Archie Sonic.
@erikbihari3625 Жыл бұрын
Maybe because the detailing that happened because the writers been given too mutch freedom and archie's court failure against pender!
@supersonicfan7514 Жыл бұрын
I don’t love the pre-reboot comics. There’s way too many karma houdinis and the heroes suffer too much. Mostly Sonic. I definitely prefer the post-reboot comics.
@SilverSphereSorcerer Жыл бұрын
Mega Collection was pretty generous to make sure they squeezed at least SOME into the extras though. SEGA, whether or not they will openly admit it with frequency, considers the Archie comics to be important part of Sonic history
@beauwalker9820 Жыл бұрын
@@supersonicfan7514 I disagree, alot of bad guys eventually got what they deserved, and if nothing bad ever happened to the good guys there would be no conflicts, story arcs, or adventures. Things always worked out if you read more of them.
@beauwalker9820 Жыл бұрын
@@erikbihari3625 granted, now it feels like IDW hardly has any freedom. Heck, they aren't even allowed to use old pre-Sonic Adventure characters, (like Mighty, Ray, or Nack) except in "Classic Sonic" style anniversary one shots that aren't part of the IDW-verse...
@joadarium9605 Жыл бұрын
Although the Archie comic’s undeniably went down under at some point till it’s bitter end in 2017, it is nice to appreciate the charm and good qualities it had in the early comics even after Endgame. Also if you think the Archie Comic’s were crazy, I suggest you take a look at the UK Fleetway Sonic Comic’s sometime. They’re so absurd it makes the Archie Universe look like a cakewalk lmao. Also CANNOT WAIT FOR PART 2!!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@l33machine 5 ай бұрын
I want you to know that this Archie Series is my go to listen when I need to work now
@KirbySonicTeam 5 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! IM glad you enjoy it
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@KirbySonicTeam hi Mr . waffles
@mr.presidentman3198 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it’s hard to believe that Ken Penders wasn’t always “so we have these hyper sexualized echidnas that I really like *sniffs painting of Juilie Sue* (I forgot how to spell her name and I’m not looking it up) and we’re gonna give the characters sex lives to make them more “mature””
@woobgamer5210 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget Tails finally getting a girlfriend but Nah, CHAD BIG BROTHER SONIC IS HERE TO... steal the girlfriend of his... probably by now 10 year old best friend...
@josephchambers2000 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he went off the deep end a bit. It’s like what Chris Chibnall did to Doctor Who only much less forgivable.
@MLESoup Жыл бұрын
I've always been curious as to what exactly *happens* in the Archie comics, and this is satisfying that curiosity. What a ride!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@sirwolfy9372 Жыл бұрын
I love Antoine... his voice actors (english and pt-br) and his expressions and stories OMG! I LOVE ALL THE CARE THAT THEY MADE DRAWING HIM! IT'S AMAZING! They sure had fun.
@sirwolfy9372 Жыл бұрын
Also... he is that snob rich boy from Planet Survival... is that a Sonic reference or the other way around?
@uninexo215 Жыл бұрын
Siiim eu tbm
@ohmethiasknight5009 7 ай бұрын
I’d love to see on the UK’s Sonic the Comic. It often gets misrepresented by a lot of Archie fans, but it has a real charm all of it’s own.
@AD-en5dq 7 ай бұрын
I have started with the UK version and after issue like 100 it gets really good the stuff beforehand is slow and unfocused also since I am in exactly issue 125 I really enjoyed How Sonic said the Zones should have their own representation in the democratic issue and that was my headcanon and what I saw with the forces game like 2 nations Eggman v Sonic but not exactly because also Sonic in my mind is above the conflict so Sally was needed but anyway I am rambling
@spiral_senshi Жыл бұрын
This is the best video about Archie Sonic I think anyone will ever make
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed
@PepperoniMage Жыл бұрын
I'm not even much of a sonic fan but I'm I find the insane storytelling surrounding these characters incredibly interesting. THIS VIDEO though, took it to a completely new level. What an insane ride going through your experience with these comics. Thank you so much for making this; I can't wait for the next one!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@SpiderandMosquito Жыл бұрын
I still have a lot of love for Endgame. I agree that it's contrived and unfocused and full of Penders' ideocentricies that haven't aged well, but I appreciate it as a grand finale. The fact is that, as you brought up, it was very likely that Archie was going to get canceled. They didn't know if there would be anything after the milestone, so it only makes sense that it would end up feeling a little rushed. The fact that it's as good as it is is an accomplishment in and of itself. And that ending, woo that ending. The perfect fight.
@beauwalker9820 Жыл бұрын
I think the longer "Director's Cut" featured in "Sonic Super Special," and "Sonic Archives" was much better. I think if more people saw that, they might like Endgame better. Though, of course it still has flaws like the Dulcy bit, and such.
@riahlexington Жыл бұрын
Same here
@landen2k7 11 ай бұрын
I just watched a 2 hour, 56 minute, and 50 second retrospective about Sonic comics with no breaks. I feel great!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@fi-fi- Жыл бұрын
My favourite thing about the comics (especially being an artist myself was that they had a fan art page! I always bought the comics and looked forward to the fanart page! Sonic was also super supportive about all the art. I loved it so much.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@melophobia0504 Жыл бұрын
I grew up reading the Archie comics from 2008 onwards and I was a small child, single digits, but as someone who is now an adult I can look back and see not only the flaws but the charm of the series. It means a lot to see someone cover something that was such a large part of my childhood with such depth and love for a series people often find insufferable! Plus, this video is an amazing recap and great listen! Thank you for this video! You just gained a subscriber :)
@drifter402 Жыл бұрын
Damn you got in during the peak
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@drifter402 I agree.
@melophobia0504 Ай бұрын
@@drifter402 ohhh yeah I got to miss a lot of the early shenanigans and confusing plots where it felt like they didn’t know what they were doing lol. I believe the first one I picked up was actually the jailbreak arc of scrouge!
@jacobottesen5279 Жыл бұрын
Bravo! This is the first time I've seen a video cover Archie Sonic beyond Ken Penders and memeable images. Can't wait for part 2! On a side note, I'm a big fan of Archie Sonic, but I think a big part of that is because I started out by keeping up on the Mobius Encyclopedia (its fan wiki) while Ian Flynn was getting his feet wet as lead writer. You hit nail on the head when you said that a bunch of the ideas are great conceptually, and it took me a while to realize how wild and insane the comic was at times before Ian took over.
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Жыл бұрын
wait so you never went of Twitter people are always talking about all the arcs
@amesstarline5482 Жыл бұрын
It's something I appreciate about what Flynn helped with Archie- understanding Sonic as a game franchise and toning down on the constant adding of characters (until they had to in the Reboot). I mean, the Secret Freedom Fighters helped Elias become something other than a male Sally replacement "heir" and brought back both Larry Lynx and Harvey Who from their one-off roles. Almost reinventing and revising the Substitute Freedom Fighters. While I don't know much for others, Penders didn't play any Sonic and Jon Gray seemingly did, considering the appearance of Marble Garden.
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Жыл бұрын
@@amesstarline5482 I like their work more for how out their thing could get all the art styles an more moody atmosphere at times hehe
@Rex13013 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's great to finally see someone cover the entire thing instead of specific controversies. And I can't wait for part 2
@unclemiguel4221 3 ай бұрын
your videos got me into the Archie sonic comics and i got to say, they are a WILD RIDE AND I ABSOLUTLY LOVE IT, thank you for that.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed
@Star.6739 Жыл бұрын
3:52 I find Tails going to court and almost going to jail (or in this case juvie) so funny because of how nonchalaunt it brushes over that fact
@Tch356 Жыл бұрын
You have no idea how i've been yearning to see someone do an entire retrospective of the archie series. as much it's fun to poke at the out of context panels, bizarre artwork, and penders. reading them through and through brings an entire interesting ride in it's own right, and in fact it shows the series has quite a ton of fun concepts we may never get to see again, for better or worse. and honestly that's what brings it's charm to me growing up with those comics and why it took some time to read into idw as funny it sounds. After watching this retrospective i'm severely Looking forward to part 2! you've captured everything about archie's run during the early years, a fantastic run through while giving it a completely fair shot as most people would resort to dismiss it for simply just being wacky, definitely a good recommend for anyone wanting to know what Archie's run and why people enjoyed it among a good reason why it felt sorrowing when the entire comic series ended in 2017. for anything to mention, people who've read archie sonic's stories for the longest of time, the next set of issues all the way up to 159 considered the dark age and to be quite honest, it's a fireworks festival of insanity that amazes me how the comics run survived through that period
@fightingmedialounge519 Жыл бұрын
There's actually been a couple channels that have done a full archie sonic retrospective.
@mcmistle9892 Жыл бұрын
So I just finished the video, and I gotta say…this is the best retrospective on Archie Sonic I’ve seen in a long time. It feels like any discussion or video about Archie Sonic gets overshadowed by nothing but Ken Penders’ contributions and the bad that it’s basically all anyone ever talks about anymore. It makes me really happy that you gave it a fair chance, and ESPECIALLY listing off artist/writer’s names to show that it wasn’t just one guy. My only complaint is that I wish you talked about Karl Bollers, but still. Really can’t wait for your other videos on Archie Sonic!
@KirbySonicTeam Жыл бұрын
As the co writer for this video I can tell you that was intentional. We are saving a discussion for him next video
@Lowart Жыл бұрын
We originally had a section on Karl Bollers here - but we decided it was could come across as mean-spirited following a lot of purposefully extreme complaining. As such, we moved it to later, where bringing him up will hopefully feel nicer. I'm happy you enjoyed the video though! :)
@higueraft571 Жыл бұрын
@@Lowart I'm curious (and want to torment you with content to read through)... Have you considered doing a video on Homestuck (in particular running from 4/13/09-10/25/16) before? Is there any dread at the thought of tackling it, or would it just be a breeze after the 290 Sonic Archie Comics? :V
@StinkTerios Жыл бұрын
@@higueraft571 Christ, are you trying to kill the man???
@higueraft571 Жыл бұрын
@@StinkTerios Yes. And then kill his 3 Doomed Timeline Selves, and Prospit/Derse self, then at least a few Dream Bubble Ghosts, then just do it again. Then make a poorly recieved sequel to THEN kill him again a few more times :V
@jonathangarcia5279 Жыл бұрын
9:44 Sonic really just said 1 mile in the longest way possible.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
True
@squidge477 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing is, the paneling and expressions in Nate's backstory and the comic in general are strong enough to the point where I can make out 90% of the story without dialogue. When I can tell exactly what's happening without paragraph of text you don't need those paragraphs of text.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Good point
@SentinelHirsc Жыл бұрын
Using the old OVA soundtrack during the Mecha Madness section was a beautiful touch. Couldn't have chosen a better backing track list.
@ExaltedUriel 9 ай бұрын
Same for Final Fever from Sonic CD when Robo-Robotnik's "autobiography" broadcast plays, really sells the weight of the moment.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed ❤
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@ExaltedUriel Agreed ❤❤❤❤
@NoRegs30 Жыл бұрын
I love how Ken Penders goes from just a writer to the start of the corruption that really messed the characters up (with Geoffrey and Knuckles being the best examples)
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree 👍
@BazztheBazz Жыл бұрын
While I look back at the 'Endgame' era of Sonic and cringe, it's important to remember that the target audience for that book was kids ages 8 to 12 in 1997. Having turned 12 in 1997, I was *exactly* this book's target audience, and that overblown, cringey, self-serious dialogue was the coolest thing in the world to me at the time. That may have been just the fact that I was dumb and had terrible taste, but "way too serious Sonic" was exactly what 12-year-old me wanted. That said, you're spot-on about the merits and the problems this book had in its early days. It got way more invested in its OCs than in the main characters, most of the concepts were half-baked, it got overly complicated, frustrating, annoying, and worst of all, boring. It's honestly amazing the comic survived long enough for Ian Flynn, Tracey Yardley, and the rest of the crew to turn it around in the back half of its run.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@ashasalany 6 ай бұрын
That early Spaziante art still fills me with joy. As a JP Sonic fan I loved all the little references to Saturn and such in his art.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Me too
@HeroesRiseUp Жыл бұрын
As someone who wants to be the master of all Sonic knowledge, this is the PERFECT video for me. I don’t know how I stumbled upon it, but I’m glad I did. Reminds me of Game Apologist. :)
@whaleping Жыл бұрын
This 3 hour video is a great “summary” of Part 1/4 of Archie Sonic.
@ndalum75 Жыл бұрын
Don't have the time to watch this right now, but I already know this going to be good.
@erikbihari3625 Жыл бұрын
If you say so. But that makes one of us!
@KirbySonicTeam Жыл бұрын
Hey dude! Did you ever get to finish the video? If so what are your thoughts?
@ndalum75 Жыл бұрын
@@KirbySonicTeam I did. As context, I briefly read some of the Archie sonic comics in the mid to late 2000s, and had no idea what was going on most of the time with all the non-game characters. This video was a pretty excellent rundown of the peaks and valleys of the early comic, which I'd simply never seen before. A lot of the background, from what I can remember, makes a lot more sense knowing what came before. The early tone caught me a bit by surprise, so much more comedic then what I remember the comic being in my generation. Lowart's breakdown of what made this characters and situations likable was quite excellent. It seems like a quite fun serial, and a miracle in a way that it went on as long as it did. I am avidly anticipating further installments, as the breakdown of the comic gets closer to what I personally know.
@Avatarbee Жыл бұрын
Robotnik canonically being friends with Darth Vader is something I can get behind.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Me too
@AkuTenshiiZero Жыл бұрын
Man, words cannot describe how important this comic was to my childhood. I used to draw Sonic and Knuckles all the time when I was a kid, copying the cover art from these comics. I still think Spaz's artwork is some of the best I've ever seen, there's this uncanny sense of dimension to everything he draws. And it's because of this comic that Knuckles is my favorite character. I love the Super Sonic vs. Hyper Knuckles special, and when he got his own mini-series it was the coolest thing I ever saw (And seriously, I still want to see Enerjak show up as a villain in a game someday).
@ashasalany 6 ай бұрын
Seeing those Spaz covers has me hyped up again like I was when I was a kid. I used to buy two issues when he did the art, then cut it out and paste it to my room's walls.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
I agree.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
@@ashasalany I agree.
@andrewmanchiraju8005 Жыл бұрын
I get the feeling that it was no coincidence that Robotnik was reintroduced in 1999 a few months after the release of Sonic Adventure. It’s safe to say that Sonic Adventure injected some life into the franchise and generated some renewed interest, thus meaning that some higher up likely wanted Robotnik to be brought back but for him to be in his Adventure design (the same likely happened for Sonic). Honestly I’m here for that as I am a huge fan of the adventure era designs of all the characters and Sega likely wanted to keep the designs consistent across media platforms.
@EnemyToad Жыл бұрын
This is literally what happened, yeah, I had the issues and I believe they stated as much in the back of the book.
@andrewmanchiraju8005 Жыл бұрын
You know when playing the games I never really thought about Sonic having green eyes or new shoes. I guess I assumed that he just got new shoes and his eyes were always green (maybe he just got contacts). Never would I assume that Sonic ran around the world into a time beam and did something incomprehensible that eventually led to his eyes becoming green and getting new shoes. I understand that Comics often change designs when the character changes design in a more popular media, but why not just have Sonic get a new pair of shoes and just start coloring his eyes green? I wouldn’t even question that!
@whaleping Жыл бұрын
I’ve come to find this way more interesting. It’s creative, not retcon lazy.
@tiagobecerrapaolini3812 Жыл бұрын
I used to be into Archie Sonic, but nowadays I had almost forgotten any of the storylines. The video was a cool trip down the memory lane for me. Seeing again the good, the bad, and the ugly 😃
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Àgreed
@mixiekins Жыл бұрын
Thank you for going through all these back issues. I was reading them as they were released, and having been a kid at that time, I've since been looking back on my confusion with disappointment. It's a bit validating to see a grown adult struggling to keep the messy weave of plots together, and to see that it wasn't just my young hyperactivity getting in the way of digesting aff of those walls of text. You did a lot of great work and I personally want to say thank you for scratching that annoying itch of self doubt.
@solaranimations9062 Жыл бұрын
God I wish I saw this sooner. I just binged this whole video in one night and I don’t regret it. The Archie comics played a massive role in my childhood growing up, so this video was a treat for me. I remember my first experience with this story being an old KZfaq video paying tribute to this green Sonic lookalike in a black jacket (that being Scourge), and I remember thinking he looked cool… because I was a dumb kid and an evil Sonic fighting a good Sonic was all I needed to feel happy. Afterwards, I didn’t think too much of it, but I did want to read those comics having found out that they existed, and one day my luck turned round as my school recently acquired a collection of a bunch of the old gag issues (starting all the way at issue 0). And I loved every moment of them. The absurdity, the campiness, the characters, I enjoyed every minute. For awhile, I hadn’t even noticed that the series was getting more serialised and serious, I was just having fun. Then Endgame came along… and at the time I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Sonic’s been framed, everyone has turned against him, he has a cool prison escape and fights Robotnik to the death. It was exiting, it was tense, it was… SO DUMB. But it was also just so damn ridiculous I couldn’t help but love it. It made me think the comic had ended and this was the last story, so I stopped following it. But in the back of my mind, I remembered him, Scourge. I never DID get to see him? Sure, I saw evil Sonic, but I never got to see how he wound up turning green. I then looked through to see if I had missed anything online, and low and behold… hundreds of issues awaited me. I believe I started the series back up again once Sonic had gotten his more modern design (with the green eyes), meaning I experienced the glory of Robotnik’s return and I just went on from there. This video was a treat through and through and awakened so much nostalgia within me. It also helped shine light on all the stuff I ended up skipping, which was really interesting to see. Also, just watching the insanity as you tried to comprehend everything was so damn funny yet also relatable as I went back a few years later to reread a lot of the older Archie comics like Endgame and Sonic Quest again, and I truly felt similar levels of bewilderment. I’m so glad I watched all of this. I had already been a follower of your stuff for a bit, but somehow I ended up missing this upon release. I’m grateful I still ended up finding it regardless. I can’t wait to see you talk about everything that goes down in the next part.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@OwlChild Жыл бұрын
Tammy is the og tumblr fangirl, eggman was her tumblr sexyman💅🤣
@boscorafelio Жыл бұрын
This video was insane as it is, here I was naively thinking almost 3 hours would cover up everything, but a PART2?! This is hands down gonna be the best retrospectives I've ever watched. Great work, man, and keep it up!
@mrrd2600 Жыл бұрын
During the accepting Archie sonic part, while listening to you trying desperately to find who the main character was, something clicked in my head. The main character wasn’t sonic, or tails, or sally, or any of the freedom fighters, hell, not even the new characters. The main character all along Was Robotnik. He was a lot of the humour, present in nearly every issue, and was always connected to the main plot, even in death. So it makes sense when Dr Eggman came, he would only take back the place of main character.
@jdbliska Жыл бұрын
The editing throughout this is amazing! Great job to you and the collaborators!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@supersonicfan7514 Жыл бұрын
58:46 he DESERVED an apology. And it’s stupid that he just immediately forgives her after she called him a traitor.
@nicholasbodo4327 Жыл бұрын
This might be your finest work to date. Can’t wait to see you cover the rest of Archie & maybe even the IBW comics
@reecemysocksoff Жыл бұрын
Good god I can’t wait for part 2 of this. Incredible work!
@lovingfool2060 Жыл бұрын
I've always been a archie comic defender, its dumb and cheesy, and a lot of it is SO bad, but theres also so much good. I remember myself, my first exposure to it was my first issue I picked up was... I want to say scourge bringing in his team and taking over freedom fighters HQ and I thought that was the craziest shit, then sonic universe dropped shortly after and made me really fall for shadow as a character. This was of couse around when Ian took over as writer, and though I have a lot of issues with how he handles things occasionally, I still really enjoy that era to the end of the og timeline pre genisis wave.
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Жыл бұрын
nah all the stuff people call bad is not really that bad its sorta messy yes but many DC an Marvel comics have been more weird
@theexecutorz5413 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU SO MUCH FINALLY SOMEONE CAN GO IN DEPTH ABOUT THESE COMICS. I can't wait for part 2
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@solodecade Жыл бұрын
As someone who decided to read the entire comic run last year, I've been waiting for a video like this. I don't think there will ever be a comic that can replicate the Archie Sonic comics, and while yeah sometimes it was batshit insane or shockingly bad and yeah some of the writers were nutjobs, the amount of dedication was no joke. I mean, they had to adapt Sonic Adventure into the comics with no other resources outside of a Japanese copy! I dunno where I'm going with this, I just really love the Archie Sonic comics. Edit: Okay so now that I'm finally getting around to actually watching this video, I have to say one extra thing. Most of the comic's multi-part events were super awesome in isolation. Except for Sonic Quest and Endgame, they suck regardless. Oh and Geoffrey sucks. Fullstop.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@spookyfungus Жыл бұрын
thank you for having a music doc in your description! i feel like not enough youtubers make it easily accessible to find the banger music they use
@CharemTheShadox Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video! I had no idea that Antoine had better moments in the comic. Indeed, he kinda sucked in SatAM, but I like how the comic stories you mentioned didn't change his inherent character while still making him likable. His cowardice never made him unlikable; it was how he never rose above it in the show that made him lame. In fiction, some of my favorite characters are those with cowardice that rise above it to do the right thing, because being scared of a situation is...very relatable, to be honest. Bravery is overcoming the fears you have, and so such bravery is all the more satisfying coming from a character who has many fears.
@robinfumo Жыл бұрын
I first came across you through your videos about Promised Neverland, and I've only seen a few others since then. This video finally maked me realize that I have yet to find one I didn't thoroughly enjoy, and that I should catch up with what I've missed so far. I'll start recommending your channel instead of the videos to my friends from now on. Thank you for making great content!!
@tigerisland3966 Жыл бұрын
The way you presented this made me incredibly interested in watching this all the way through! Great vid!
@mauhi2318 Жыл бұрын
More people need to watch this. Its informative and hilarious. The personal worded comic segment and Geoffrey st. John coming in at the fire place talk had me dying. Keep up the great work!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@StarGaleSky7 Жыл бұрын
I watched this in one sitting. Bravo on putting together an S-tier production that was long but effortless to watch.
@Lenachan3ko Жыл бұрын
This is a genuine piece of art Lowart. I'm such a big fan of Sonic and watching this has really got me wanting to finally read these comics! Can't wait for the next part!
@yellowstarproductions6743 Ай бұрын
Agreed.
@wreday720 Жыл бұрын
All I can say is I'm jealous. I always wanted to make a video like this because almost no one back in the day covered these comics with this much detail. You just blew anything I could have ever made out of the water. This is fucking amazing. Ever since I heard about the Archie Sonic comics they interested me, but back then in the 2000s it was harder for me to get access to scans or info because my internet was so terrible (and had dial up too). These comics were a mystery to me, hearing about Sonic getting married, Knuckles discovering his ancestors, Tails being a chosen one, all of it sounded insane but all I could do is flick through those covers on Mega Collection. When I finally discovered KZfaq, i'd search for info about them but all that was there was bad scans, and the ones that were there were long story arcs that were like 12 issues deep, so i couldnt understand half the shit that was going on. Last year, I finally decided to make a totally normal decision that any functioning adult would make - read Archie Sonic from Issue 0 to 'the end'. From the mini comics to the Super specials to spin offs. Bro, i spent a whole 6 hour marathon just pushing through the entire Knuckles comic... It was awesome but so weird, and after a 12 months of on and off reading, I finally made it to the Ian Flynn era, the very same day you posted this. This was a long time coming and these comics need more of this kind of coverage on KZfaq. Not even mad, just impressed how good this is man. Looking forward to the next one!
@mrbanks456 Жыл бұрын
Im slightly jealous as well. But at least I don't have to do any work now.
@shatteredscry Жыл бұрын
I relate when I was young. We had dial up internet but I'd sneak to Wiki to snag some info on the comic characters I never read stories about. Me and my sister would be inspired and create stories based on the universe we knew half about, so that mixed in with our vague interpretations and our own personal OC's, we created our own universe.
@bounty_hunter101 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. It was delightful to see you develop an appreciation for these characters. At the same time, your critical was essential for establishing the reality of the comic as a reading experience.
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