I like to think Soul Palace Ichigo was stronger just because of the idea that "knowing the name increases the power". Ichigo finally knows himself, his origin, and his ability.

The one thing Aizen lacked, despite his genius, was real desperation and understanding of mortality. Ichigo being born on mortal earth, seeing the spirits of the dead knew how painful mortality can be, he had his mom die before him. The feeling a mortal man can have that a shinigami doesn't is the desperation to fight for existence. The Hogyoku could manipulate death, but it can't replicate life.

The Final Getsuga technique that Isshin knew and taught to Ichigo was purely a Shinigami technique. It probably was used to fuse the Zanpakuto with the Shinigami. So Ichigo using it also *accidentally* fused his Hollow and Quincy powers with him because of his nature.

Ichigo being a walking hogyoku actually makes sense. He's a human, a quincy, a shinigami, a hollow and a fullbring. He's literally the world before the Soul King. I also think that Dangai is Ichigo reaching the Bleach equivalent to Nirvana.

In CFYOW it's confirmed that the Hogyoku is made of Soul King parts, and what Aizen was grabbing were his nails out of Rukon citizens. The universe prior to the one we see is explained by Ichibe to have been a state of fluid existence, and that life and death were melded as one, with souls existing, fading away, and fading back in, with hollows eating souls only for them to return into existence. The Dangai form was Ichigo after training for a few months, and what Kubo was going for with it was Aizen, the false god, being brought to his knees by a humans effort

8:30 Not reiatsu, Aizen was feeding very small fragments of the Soul King to his Hougyoku, the Hougyoku might actually be just a conglomerate of the Soul King's fragments, aka a transcendent being even in the age of the Original World. The Hogyouku might be something akin to Mimihagi or Pernida, just made of smaller pieces. Don't know about Kisuke's version though.

This theory makes even more sense when you factor in the reason ywach saw ichigo as a threat was his “unlimited potential”

Tekking talking Bleach? Dangai Ichigo? Damn, that's one cool post Christmas gift. Nobody talks enough about this form. People always talks about Final Getsuga and not the Dangai with merged Zangetsu.

For me, dangai ichigo is basically ichigo at full power. Kind of like how your jaw has enough power to bite off your own tongue, but your brain doesn’t allow it to do so, the dangai form is like this, using all of ichigo’s power, regardless of consequence. The way i see it, quincy zangetsu didn’t limit his power in this form because he knows ichigo will lose them, so there was no point to suppress it. In my opinion, Ichigo at the end of the series reached this power, but still had “limits” in order not to harm himself, like the brain telling you not to bite off your own tongue.

14:16 just to put it out there in cfyow orihime is referred to by ginjo as a fullbringer. Cfyow also talk about what fullbringers really are and where their powers come from. Essentially the pregnant mothers attacked by hollows isn't what causes fulbring. The novels explain that each fullbringer has a fragment of the soul king inside of them essentially. While the hollow attacks do cause them to have the ability to activate their powers it is essentially just a trigger to activate the fragments. Although it isn't stated it's possible the reason that Chad and orhime are both different is because it is implied their powers were activated by the hyogoku or their exposure to ichigos related which was constantly spilling out. One final thing in the novels it also states that the part aizen took from rangiku was a very large fragment of the soul king and that's what really boosted his version of the Holyoke power wise. With that I imagine that uraharas also had a fragment of the soul king. That being said that goes a long way in explaining ywhachs reaction to the hyogoku. P.S sorry for the rambling 😅

I remember reading a fan manga which said that Final Getsuga Tensho was the ultimate technique of the Shiba clan in the same way that Nanao Ise used her family’s weapon to kill Lille

Ichigo’s Dangai looks a more complete transcendent form of his Bankai. But his Mugetsu form is a foreshadowing of his Quincy heritage & Ywhach/Zangetsu relation. Plus the Black reiatsu just like Ywhach’s/Soul King’s reiatsu later on in the TYBW arc

I've always liked to call it "Final Bankai" since it's the final time he uses bankai (until he gets his powers back) and because it looks like a more complete form of his Bankai

Dangai Ichigo=Chad Ichigo. Despite the BS of this only happening for Plot it was still cool. A shame that the new Bankai lasted a single page and got broke, just plain stupid.

So my theory (since Kenpachi was reveled to have a Shikai and Byskuya question the existence the always released Zanpakto) is that Mugetsu is Ichigo’s true Bankai. In a lot of major fights they make is clear that Ichigo’s own power is so overwhelming it damages his own soul, like when he fight Renji and Byakuya and gets slower as the fight goes on. Mugetsu, his true Bankai, holds such power that it crushes his own soul to the point where it destroys his own power.

7:59 The way I see it, Aizen became that strong because the Hogyuku followed his desire to break down the limits of a shinigami/ hollow, thus allowing him to become a being that transcends both shinigami and hollow. Meanwhile, Ichigo is a natural born hybrid, he didnt need the hogyoku because he already naturally has a transcendent nature, he just couldnt use those powers because he hadnt accepted them as a part of him yet, which is why he could sense Aizen´s reiatsu before despite not being at his level of power. It is also why I think that TYBW Ichigo is as strong, if not stronger, than Dangai Ichigo, because he finally accepted them as a part of him in "the blade is me".

Actually tekking ichigo during TYBW is on par with mugetsu ichigo, they both had reiatsu just physically coming off of them. Although if at this point ichigo trained in the dangai again, or used mugetsu again, it'd be way stronger than the original.

Call it what it is... *AIZEN's WORST NIGHTMARE*

I think it's more with Ichigo been a being who sits on all four boundaries he is closer to being a Soul King entity. Because they were considering putting Ichigo on the throne hence the tickets from Shunsui Kyōraku were given to his friends. The central 46 and the now Captain Commander considered the Soul King dying and were prepping an appropriate replacement.

Dangai Ichigo is my absolute favorite shounen moment--that facepalm against Aizen was the best thing since sliced bread.

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If you think end of series ichigo is weaker than deicide aizen you should probably rethink your base understanding of story structure

I always saw it as the same way as Gon's deal with his nen. Like the Getsuga is a big explosion of uncontrolled power. Kind of like how when you're a teenager your emotions just burst out of you. Ichigo's Bankai lets him actually WEAR that power as his shihakusho (i think that's the getup's name). So it stands to reason that "becoming the Getsuga" means wearing all the power he'd ever have, and then releasing it like a Getsuga. Still I don't see how Isshin knew about it, but that's how I saw the Dangai form. (this is when im 8 mins in the video so if he brings this up im not copying him)

Tekking my dude just read the CFYW novel, it explains what the hogyouku is, also what the original realm was like and pretty much the origins of Quincys, Soul society/soul reapers and fullbrings

I view it like every race has a hard cap of "10", and no matter how much they train or are gifted, they can only ever top out at that hard 10. But if another race is added, that's a new scale. Aizen had shinigami and hollow, so he could achieve 10s on two scales for a total of 20 - much higher than the perceived "max" of those with only one race. Ergo, Ichigo with 4 races could achieve 40, a feat Aizen with two races could scarcely comprehend.

Pretty sure Ywach has a statement that when Ichigo turns up in his new Shikai that he's the strongest he's ever been in that moment. So that statement from him seems to imply that TYBW Ichigo in Shikai is stronger than Mugetsu. So that's a fun fact if you want to buy into Ywach's words as gospel

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This right here. Videos like this is why I love your channel

I think you're on the right track, and I actually got to your conclusion before you even straight up said it. So nice work explaining it! I think this recent video(linked at the bottom) by Rebirth, that goes into how the different types of beings in bleach balance each other out, will help this theory make more sense. And as far as what the Hougyoku is actually made out of, I believe it's at least partly made up of pieces of the Reio. Which seem to be distributed at random to certain humans & shinigami. (and presumably hollows & quincies, as well) I believe this is what was stolen from Rangiku and why she was targeted specifically. (This could also be what helps to keep the world's balanced & separated) This also makes sense in ichigo's case because (spoilers for CFYOW) that's what fullbringers are, humans with a piece of the Reiō embedded in them. This is also why their mothers are often attacked by hollows when pregnant, because it's basically pure concentrated reiastu (and/or possibly the primordial matter you hypothesized) that acts like a beacon calling to hollows. Which ties back into your theory because the Reiō was probably made up of that same primordial matter, which is most likely equal parts Quincy, human, shinigami, and hollow, or at least the Reiastu that makes up those beings' souls/rei. Which would make sense for why it's able to break down the barriers put up by the original heads of the five noble families and the Reiō. But now I'm just rambling, lol Whatever the case, it's interesting stuff, and I'm just glad that we actually have more Bleach (and Tekking bleach reviews) to look forward to : ) Edit: one knock on Rebirth's video is that it doesn't take into consideration the animal realm or hell, but I still think he's fundamentally on to something kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e59kg5Ver7_Qn4E.html

Dangai just bonded all of them before Ichigo was really ready. Ultimate power to win then and there with the price of losing it. Soul Palace Ichigo he fully realized the truth of his past and powers. Fuses them all with no price to pay.

Tekking coming back with the bleach uploads and I’m here for it

bro im so happy to get more content from you. thousand year blood war arc ... here we go !!

It was his hyperbolic time chamber. Remember when byakuya told him mastering takes 10 years. Well he learned it quickly so he mastered it and unlocked the alternative form. Senbonsakura had Shuukei Hakuteiken. Zangetsu had Final Getsuga Tensho.

The way I always thought it had worked was Ichigo is at a point of self realization of his own nature similar to how insanely strong he was after realizing the truth to zangetsu and his power. I also always thought that there were always different natures to individual existence similar to hollows and shinigami just without the name. We don't have a whole lot of information about the presplit of existence but I thought it was implied Ichibei was older than that. Also, quincies were only made after Ywach by his nature of power as a split piece of the soul king like his hands and heart. I have not read the full light novels but the noble houses are said to exist before as well if you count those as cannon.

ABSOLUTELY LOVE These types of videos

That pop you did at 10:25 was pretty good, ya should be popping more often :D

I would like to believe, Ichigo's power is to rewrite his own destiny. More theory videos please.

Love it Tekking! Shows use how advanced Tite Kobi is with his writing and storytelling which opens discussion for so many things.

This is an excellent video! Keep it up, loved your theory

Your videos are hella long man, but they fly by so quick bc you bring such good points and I’m almost sad when the vid finishes. It would be so cool if kubo could hear it and give his opinions on these points. Anyway, another great video, I really enjoyed it!

I always just took it as a foreshadow of him having Quincy heritage by using Letzt Stil without calling it that because (a) Isshin knew he had quincy blood, (b) the Mugetsu form had similar posture/shape to Uryu using Letz Stil against Mayuri, and (c) like Uryu he lost his powers after using it. We found out later that Zangetsu was the personification of his Quincy powers, not a zanpakto, so having to sacrifice those powers lines up with Litz Stil.

Well first the hygoukou was stated in the novels that the hygoukou is made out of fragments of the soul king that's what they were taking out of rangikou 2nd dangia is your zanpaktou returning to it's origin merging with your right hand and mugetsu is you fully becoming the zanpaktou which explains why aizen will never go ban Kai he has already gone to a form beyond bankai he has fully merged with the zanpaktou

Definitely nice to see more Bleach content in general. Hopefully some of these questions get answered in the future. I personally like this idea that it's matter/energy from before the realms split.

I hope we get more videos like this, I'd appreciate more bleach content of course but just this felt like hanging out with a friend at 3am and having a deep ass discussion about an anime and the inner, non-canon, workings. It brings some sense of weird nostalgia

In the Can’t Fear Your Own World novel Ichibe does say that although it would have upset him he would have sacrificed Ichigo to become the new lynchpin if Yhwach ended up not being a viable option.

I believe that Tensa Zangetsu lied about the final getsuga tensho. He granted Ichigo the ability to use Mugetsu but what if Mugetsu is a quincy/ywach technique and not really a Shinigami one ? The only dimension that Aizen forgot about Ichigo's power is Quincy. He didn't know that his mother was directly link to Ywach bloodline. Hell, I also believe that black reiatsu is quincy. To me it makes sense that Aizen was overpowered by Ichigo at that moment. Also, when Tensa Zangetsu merge with Hollow Ichigo - HE merge. The only thing remaining about his shinigami power is the fur and the horn on Tensa Zangetsu, but the main guy here is STILL the embodiment of his quincy powers. Hollow Ichigo did not teach Mugetsu to Ichigo - Quicy Zangetsu did. Mugetsu character design has also strong resemblance with Ywach powers more than his hollow/shinigami ones (did we ever saw hollow ichigo in the inner Ichigo world use a black getsuga? Or a black cero from Vasto Lorde?). He even has red eyes like Ywach and no black sclera. (and also "My son born in darkness" & all of that stuff...) Maybe Aizen was beaten by a technique that comes directly from Ywach very own powers after all.

Love the video keep up the great work

Tekking talking about Bleach is always a great Christmas gift!

Dangai is the 3rd step in the evolution of a zanpakuto where the sword fuses with the body and Mugetsu is the final form where the user and the zanpakto become one. The same thing can be seen in aizen transformations. This is why aizen didn't use bankai because he was 2 stage above bankai.

I still remember how the anime made the scene when mugetau happened as more hype in the anime while the manga felt more somber with tensa zangetsu looks sad seeing ichigo use it.

Another great one Tekking!

This is why I love this Channel. His theories make actual deep sense.

I always headcanoned that Dangai-Ichigo is a "limit burst" of sorts for him. It uses every power he has at his deposal to an apocalyptic degree of damage he can put out. It's also why, when using Final Getsuga Tensho, he is the closest to resembling Yhwach than he is any other time.

Honestly this theory makes a lot of sense. Plus it’s so subtle that it would actually fit into Kubo’s writing style

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Nice theory, I’m actually feeling it. Thanks Tekking!

I’m surprised that people actually think that Dangai Ichigo is on the same level as true shikai Ichigo.

tekking you really need to start brushing up on your bleach lore and read the novels. Dangi ichigo is basically ichigo with 3 month of training. the reason this would make sense is that during fake karakura he was the only who was able to sense cocoon azine spiritual power making him relative to cocoon azine, and when he told his father that he can sense azine power and ishine couldn't that when ishine suggested for him to learn final getsuga.

glad to see you making more bleach videos tekking

17:50 my brain exploded when you made the connection that Ichigo is the closest being to a hogyoku, which as you stated embodies existence from when all beings were one entity. Everything makes sense now

I think its similar to Toshiro's "mature Bankai" form

I would very much like to have seen Dangai Ichigo make an appearance in the final arc.

Love the occasional bleach video, keep it up tekking!

Awesome episode definitely got me thinking I need to re watch and read the bleach series again

The final getsuga doesn´t actually have any draw backs. The only reason ichigo lost his power was because the zampakutou he had at the time was not his true one because it was not made wiht an asaushi ( that´s why the form doesn´t change to the true banaki form dispete it representing ichigos 100% power), so, the blade itself was not able to cointain such a powerfull attack, that´s why when ichigo uses mugetsu the blade is not even a blade anymore cause it can´t maintain it´s form so it´s just pure reatsu. ichigo could actually use mugetsu as many times as he wants with no draw backs after he achived his true bankai, he just needed to do some trainning with it like all other people with bankai in order to master it. It´s like Rukias bankai, Rukia changes her form and can´t move at all, after she masters it 10 years later she can now move freely in bankai mode, same would apply for the black hair mugetsu form, Ichigo activates it while in bankai and, after mastery of it, could move around and performe normal getsugas or even mugetsu without any draw back. He just lost his powers cause the zampakuto he had at the time was fake, that´s why it was not able to contain such a powerfull attack. Kubo just didn´t have time to use this in the final figth of the series, the guy was basicly slowly dying and had to end it, that´s why the anime is so important cause there´s a chance Kubo will be able to use the mugetsu form without any draw backs like it was always suppose to. Everytime Kubo gets asked on Klub outside about ichigos powers/dangai/true bankai ability he never responds and says it´s something that should be revealed in the story and not on a SBS type site, Oda does the same he can´t just tell the people on an SBS what the One Piece is for example or the will of D, those are important parts of the story that should be revealed in it. If you remmember issihn also has the final getsuga and it was never said that if he used his, he would lose his shinigami powers, why? cause isshin went to the academy and shit he was given a proper asaushi. The only thing he said was that his zampakuto doesn´t like to tech those tecnichs because they are so dangerous, possibly not even to the user but the world itself ( ichigos was erasing mountains just by moving his blade), possibly because the technics is just way 2 hard to control or master. Also the dangai form doesn´t just represent ichigo with 100% of his power, he was there trainning for 3 months nonstop for sleep eat or anything just 24/7 trainning for 3 months, so basic stuff like speed, strength, reaction, etc all those basic aspects of battle were also improved that´s why he can bitch slap aizen so easily he has so much more basic physical strength from the nonstop 3 months of trainning. A couple points on some of the things you said tekking. you were not sure if yhwach was related to the soul king, yhwach is the son of the soul king Even inside of ichigo the quincy reatsu and the hollow one don´t mix, the rigth side of ichigos body is the hollow/shinigami reatsu and the left part of his body is the quincy one they don´t actually mix together, what can happen is, parts of the reatsu from one side can try to go a bit into the opposite side thats wha t ahppened in his figth vs yhwach that gave us the Horn of Salvation, the overflowing quincy reatsu from constantly attacking yhwach overloads the shinigami/hollow part and it started going into the left side of ichigo body ( the quincy part) that´s why the Horn and most of the marks on the Horn of Salvation form are on Ichigos left side of his body. Also i belive the Dangai and Final arc ichigo do have basicly equal power, it´s jsut that ichigo had better control of it on the war arc. Why doesn´t he erased mountains in the final arc like in dangai form? well the human world mountains are much less resistant then the buildings made of reatsu of the soul society/vanderrich/soul palace. The reason why sunshui went to the human world to give the soul tickets to ichigos friends to visit him was because he was making a precaution of ichigo obtainning the dangai level of power or even higher and not being able to control it, forcing him to stay in the soul society. Finaly yhwach ideia was indeed to return the world to that inital point before the soul king creation without life and death and the reason was mainly because even yhwach fears death, fear is a very commoun theme in bleach so it´s fitting that the final villain himself despite being so op and able to revive after 999 years still doesn´t actually want to die and fears death.

First- Dangai ichigo isnt Completey out of nowhere. Second- If kubo foreshadowed the "Final" it wouldn't make us understand. Probably more annoyed than it has. Third- Bleach power scaling isnt the Typical power system. 1- kubo has talked about the Dangai in the substitute arc before th eery left for Soul society. I haven't Seen any soul reaper practice all there techniques. They don't have the technique, they use the technique within the Zanpaktô, which is the soul of the shinigami. Kubo has shown regular shikai training, but I haven't seen anyone practice Bankai unless its with kisuke tool to draw our the soul of a zanpakto in the SS arc. And we didn't see ichigo training with it either. 3- spiritual pressure isn't like devil fruits,Dragonball. It closer to chakra but not even it. The zanpakto knows its power and technique *NOT* the reaper wielding it

Wow Tekking, interesting to see you dive into the Hogyoku stuff and how that could influence the manifestation of Chad, Orihime and even Ichigo's powers and their paths through the series

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I am repeatedly surprised at how you can speak so freely about a topic and still be able to spin a great common thread to follow along, where you don't contradict yourself and your audience doesn't get confused by a chaotic mess ( somthing I would produce when talking about a topic without a strict script ). In this video I was easily able to follow your thinking and understood, what your message was. Your whole video was built up to lead to the finale point that Ichigo was essentially like a Hogyoku himself and that's why he could evolve so much during the 2-month Dangai training with Isshin. Great Theory as always!

Great theory, loved hearing your thoughts on it! It makes alot sense, especially given the statement by Ichibe in CFYOW of how Ichigo is a potential soul king candidate. If Ichigo is in fact the closest thing in existence to what existed prior to the current Bleach world, then it makes sense that he would be a viable replacement to Reio (a being that came from the pre-current Bleach world). Appreciate you sharing, very cool stuff to ponder. Thanks for all you do!

💜 absolutely love your enthusiasm

You know what always amazes me whenever I watch any of his videos? It's his grammar and his vernacular they never cease to amaze me

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I have read and heard a lot of explanations on orihime and Chad‘s powers and I have to admit that by far your explanation makes the most sense.

I am french and i liked a lot your video, i understood all you said, you spoke well :) i was also wondering all you said, happy to se i am not the only one to asking same questions lol

I really like this theory you've crafted Tekking; it explains a lot, ties up a good amount of loose ends, and in general makes a lot of sense. I think that the parallels you drew between Bleach and the Samsara make a lot of sense as well based on what you spoke of it, because it feels like it fits a lot with Kubo's style of writing. The only thing I'd say you forgot to mention (at least, the only thing I noticed) is that Ichigo is also a Fullbringer; specifically, you forgot to mention it while calculating all of Ichigo's combined abilities when you were nearing the result of your comparison between him and the Hogyoku, but even so the essence of what you were going for was still there so not really a big deal. But yeah, great video here dude!

everything u said was pretty much wad ive been wondering forever ,good shid

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Great video tekking

You definitely helped make some of those things make sense.

For me, a little head canon of mine is to think of dangai ichigo's as like the totality of something in bleach brave souls of the beyond bankai stuff they are throwing around. And is something all captains can do in accepting the blade of the zanpakto to perform the act of completely fusing with the sword. As the line "the sword is me" is a strong quote of that.

Interesting concept Tekking

It makes sense, i really like your videos

Loved this video. Only issue I had was it's way too short.

Mind. Blown. Well-explained!

man i miss bleach theory PLEASE do more, tekking

It took me a while to come up with this, but I think Final Getsuga is like a rare but similar method to how the Sanrei glove works for Quincy. Both allow for the user to use as much power as possible within a short time, but also costs the user their power. Both have the user fusing with their weapon (aside from the Sanrei glove's bow being part of the glove itself). But what I think both do is open the pathways of spiritual energy to the maximum amount of power the user has, as those are located around the wrists (and could be around the ankles too, would explain how people can move fast or fly). Choking these same pathways causes the user's spirit energy to violently detonate, like what happened with Aizen when Urahara tried it. It'd be like a fast-tracked version of the Eight Gates technique in Naruto but with no physical ramifications beyond exhaustion. Since Isshin knows his zanpakuto can do it, I could assume it's related to the Shiba lineage. Only a few members of the Shiba family have zanpakuto, and only two out of three know the technique exists. I'd like to think that the technique is specific to members of the Shiba family, but it's incredibly rare AND requires the development to reach the point of learning it. Maybe it's so rare that Isshin and Ichigo are the first in several generations to even have the potential for it, much less be able to reach the point of knowing it exists.

When you started talking about the hogyoku granting wishes and having a sense of mentality on its own it resembled a lot to the secret jewel from inuyasha.

Nice theory. I'd be interested in hearing your take on Soul Palace Ichigo vs Dangai ichigo.

Love your breakdown

Holy fuck what a change of setting Tekkin :D Good for You! :)

Going into the metaphysical sense of the story, you could extend this video into pondering what the “Soul King” even is.

This is such a nice perspective i hope the new hell stuff touches on it.

Really liking all the comments and ofc this video too talking about different theories and most of them are different and plausable. That's why Bleach is my most re-read manga cause I find new things everytime

Hello Tekking, good to see you talking bleach again. According to me, dangai Ichigo is the most powerful form that he had and i think you are right too. But i will had that aizen let ichigo achieve this form, even if he didn't think to loose to ichigo, he knew that ichigo will come up with power up that's why he let him train in the dangai. Then, it was explained in the manga why ichigo is the only one who has the ability of all beings, it is because the shinigami power neutralised his holow power which make it possible to be with his quincy power.

I loved this video so much.

I believe you're on right track with Dankai Ichigo resembling the primordial universe. Given that in CFYOW it was mentioned that Ichigo might have been placed as new Soul King, maybe Dankai Ichigo was close to what a new Soul King would had been, and how original Soul King was. It might had been that Ichigo was however unable to hold that power within him, which was why it was temporary form. Isshin might had known of this form because he was head of Shiba family and knew that inside Ichigo there were shinigami, hollow, human and quincy forms, making him a Soul King candidate.

Its good to see a bleach video again