"You can have the Gucciest stuff on your AR but still get clapped by a Hi Point" - Sun Tzu

“People get shot with buckshot and don’t say anything” -Alek This might be the funniest fight yet haha

This guy's shotgun enthusiasm has enough energy to power a city for a day

Please, do not let the shotgun guy go. Ever. This guy is a freaking comedy genius.

When he popped up with that shotgun:" That's all you need right there man" I lost it 🤣🤣🤣

My home defense firearm really depends on what part of the house I’m in. 🤣😂

you guys had me laughing this entire video, I laughed the most when Alek said he had 45 round capacity in the shotgun. keep up the great content guys

The best home defense weapon is the one you can afford and practice with. Fear the person that shot one gun a 1,000 times vs. a person that shot a 1,000 guns one time.

"People get shot with Buckshot and don't say anything!" I would have hit the floor laughing too!

Shotgun = Home Defense AR = Home Offense

So, coming from an AR guy, in cqc, you cannot refute how incredible a shotgun is as a fight stopper. Most of the time, in typical self-defense ranges (7 to 10 yards or less) a handgun cartridge (even out of an sp5) takes roughly 2.2 rounds, so in reality 3 to incapacitate one threat. 5.56 is still about 2 but a shotgun with buck or slug simply STOPS FIGHTS. Landing one shot of buck at 7 yards is going to be extremely devastating. One and done. Its very hard for someone to keep fighting after some 12 gauge just because of the tissue damage inflicted.

Paul Harrell has done great work on wall penetration with shotguns. Also, he's made a good case for using birdshot, if your home defense ranges are 15-20yrds tops.

Can the next video be about what's best for "World Defense"??

Shot gun in close quarters. AR for more rural areas. 9 millimeter. For concealed carry. Buy all three.

Best choice not mentioned: .22 LR Mark IV with silencer, all black onesie, and 3 pairs of socks for ultimate stealth. Sneak up on intruder unload 2-3 rounds (or a whole clip) without blowing out your ears. No over-penetration and can keep the small piece under your pillow. One handed to open doors and compact to maneuver.

“I will not limit myself when it comes to my life or anyone I care about. I wish it was full auto” well said 🤣🤣🤣

It is amazing how we cleared rooms with a 20" ar when I was in the army.

Alek makes some good points. Not always coherent points, but they are points.

I’m a Marine Corps veteran myself. You guys are great! I loved watching this video. In my opinion, for home defense/tight quarters I’d want the MP5!

“Defending your farm is different then defending your apartment!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Personally I think this is probably one of your better shows love the commentary between you guys keep up the good work

Not gonna lie these dudes had me laughing most the video, they must be good friends lol

Penetration comparisons through walls have been done extensively. 5.56 wins over both, hands down. It fragments and doesn't keep truckin like a higher mass projectile. 55 gr. FMJ does its thing and peels apart. Defense and varmint rounds like hollow or ballistic tip even moreso. Suppressed AR FTW.

"We're past home defense. We're talkin' WORLD DEFENSE!" 🤣🤣🤣

Alek is literally Clint’s devil advocate 🤣🤣

I used my Mossberg 500 to defend my home against 4 ex~cons. One of them made it to the back but all took off faster than they came when that one guy saw my shogun directly pointed at the rear doors. In retrospect, an AR~15 would have been a better choice for multiple attackers and easier follow up shots if necessary. In an indoor penetration test using a real home, rifles and guns were used with the most popular calibers. To my surprise, the AR~15 penetrated the least. I suspect it shot .223, not 5.56. But it penetrated even less than the 9mm. Since I live behind enemy lines, I have to be careful what I use. I have my .40 pistol on my bed beside me and my 94 Winchester lever action between the bed and wall also beside me. If I should have to use it, that'll diminish my chances of being targeted as an evil black rifle owner. But an AK~47 and AK~74 are also good to have for back up and more serious issues.

Awesome vid, would have loved to a cost factor category. And completely agree on the training aspect. No amount of gear can replace good solid training. "Beware the person with just one gun, they probably know how to use it."

When these three get together for a debate, man is it the most entertaining and hilarious thing on the internet

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Japanese Admiral Yamamoto

I lost it when he said “math for marines”

I've watched this video several times now, just because I love the interaction, and it occurred to me that this is what Usenet was like in the early days of the internet. Circular arguments to make you dizzy. Love it!!! More more more! YEET!!!

Apartment/CQ housing- PCC House with no homes around you- MK18 Shotgun- Sitting behind the bed waiting for the enemy to walk through the door

When he said, "im a whole category" I died 😂 PCC ftw

LMFAO!! 🤣 🤣 That opening tho! "Ay main." 😂 😂 😂

Quite honestly love the informational conversation they have with themselves, funny too 😂

I like the 300 blackout idea 💡

Personally I would use every weapon depending on which one I got my hands on first

My favorite thing about yalls videos is that it feels like y'all have a genuinely good time making them!

This conversation was dope. I always have it in my head and loved hearing three guys beefing it out.

one of my fav videos by far! you guys are hilarious!

Speaking from experience, a 9mm goes through interior and exterior walls and into the next door house (it was abandoned). Buckshot will not "bounce around off the walls". It will go through walls until it cant then it will either embed in the wall or plop on the ground.

“What’s the be-“ Clint interruptly “MK18!”

Love the comedy you bring to the Firearms channels!!👏🤣😅😉

Usually with home defense the main issue that not everyone will ever get one (and it is good), but you must be ready for it. It could be so that you prepared everything ready, passed a training and the case is not coming a year, two, three. If you are an intuziast - no problem. When you are a casual, you need to maintain your motivation. Sport is a key here, but it could be bo longer casual enough, or alternatively the device must be so cheap simple an robust (no battaries, life long living amo, very maintains forgiving mechanics). For the second solution first that came in my mind is either break barrel or pomp shotgun stored without amo (because tube mags are known to damage amo). The scenario will be: 1. Pickup the gun and load it (quite fast for a doublebarrel, a bit slower for a pomp, but who said that you should load more than 1-3) 2. Take a defencive position pointing the shotgun at the door. 3. Call the police. In the meantime you can shoot clays with your shotgun. It could be in fact any gun that you are familiar with (granddad's .38 special revolver or 10/22 you shoot soda cans from time to time are both ok) and can use it in your real life circumstances (Which ranges are available around? Where do you want to go?)

If you want to truly intimidate anyone who breaks into your home with just a sound, get a Ma Duece. That will have them running guaranteed. Plus, who doesn't want a home defense Ma Duece?

I'm pretty sure Alek's job is purely devil's advocate at this point.

I had 2 hairy situations at 2 different residencies. Both were resolved with shoving and the confidence that comes from an lcp2 in my pocket.

In defense of the shotgun, use an AK-based magazine-fed shotgun with frangible mini-slugs. One thing is sure. An assailant hit by a slug, even a frangible mini-slug, is stopped for good. You can use a minimum length, 18.5" barrel with a folding stock and still be legal. With the 9mm, you could use something like Glaser Safety Slugs for inside a home to avoid over penetration. I used same on a burgler to amazing effect, disintegrating 3" of bone in his leg.

You want a good home defence weapon? Practice with one and become reliable with it, there you go.

Team 50! The Barrett CQB no scope wins everything. 😆 This was an absolutely awesome video. Lots of fun.

Penetration is a matter of ammo choices. I had read FBI reports saying frangible/hollow-point .223 would break up in a wood/drywall wall whereas buckshot would keep going and was more of a problem than the other two.

The AR plattform has the absolute best ergonomics of them all(AR-15's, AR-9's and AR style shotguns). The only other type of long firearm I can think of for those ergonomics is a bullpup (rifle, PCC or shotgun). Now, AR wins in ergonomics, bullpups win on balance and overall size to barrel lenght ratio. Having that said, AR plattform vs bullpup will come to your main range or sporting weapon and your particular needs. If you train, shoot at the range and hunt with an AR-15, just stick to it... if you dont hunt or compete and you have a very tiny house/apartment where maneuvrability is the top priority and/or you have someone in the house that is not fisically able to run a bigger weapon (like a 5ft/90lbs wife or a person with arthitis) you might be better to stick to a bullpup plattform and adopt it for the range and training too. Now, having picked up a plattform, you run into the new question...PCC vs Rifle vs Shotgun. For me it frames on: 9mm/45acp vs 556/300 blackout vs 12/16 gauge. A shotgun might be out of the table due to capacity and recoil. If you are running a PCC, the cal should match the one on the gun you carry on you. In the case of the rifle, I would rather have 300 blackout unless you are a die hard prepper or you come from a military background and you are married to the 556 round. So... for me it would be 9mm vs 300 Blackout in a short AR plattform or a bullpup. Maybe it makes more sense to have a 9mm round in that home defense firearm just because I would only have to worry about 1 type of mag and 1 type of round. So every bullet in my house will go into any mag in my house and both will go into any firearm in my house. Now, granted I would like a hunting round for that purpose, but it is out of this debate. The winner? 9mm pcc on an AR-9 pistol or AR like bullpup.

Took a defensive shotgun course today with my 1301. I would be happy with a shotgun for home defense. A PCC is my 1st choice

Great video. Love the back and forth ideas. All are great options but comes down to individual preferences and circumstances. For me, I live in an apartment complex so the PCC 9 is my go-to choice.

A REALLY FANTASTIC CONVO AND VIDEO...LOVE U GUYS TOO

😂😂 these guys are dope and insightful, love this channel

20:05 Clint: “Look.. Alright.. So!” Good rebuttal, buddy 😂🤣

Oh I absolutely love this channel. You guys are awesome all three of you and the crew because I know it takes more people to make the videos. You guys put out awesome content and you also have fun with it that’s priceless!

I use a Mossberg 500 Cruiser with front and rear pistol grips, and no stock. It has a flashlight with a pressure switch on the grip. I use 2 3/4 00 buck. I have put thousands of rounds through it and am extremely proficient. Now, that said, I'm currently building a 300 blk AR pistol for home defense because I like the idea of the versatility.

I live for the Alek/Clint debates 😆 also, when are we gonna acknowledge that the MK18 is an official cast member? 😂

I would give over-penetration to the shotgun, because one can use #4 buckshot which doesn't penetrate as much as the more commonly mentioned double-aught. I would love to see Classic Firearms do a test of some sort though, using the three choices in this video.

I use #4 buck (21 pellets) for my home defense shotgun

I love it “yea people get shot with a 9 and gets interrupted yeah but people can shot with a shotgun and don’t say nothing” 😂😂😂😂

I love Alex - hands down he won when he throws shotgun on table answering firepower!! I’d have to agree - my Vepr 12 solves your concerns regarding load time - Haha

The Best home defense is what you have in your hands at the time.

Do more like this, this was fun and informative.

These guys make it so easy to watch a long video.

My first gun was a Weatherby semi auto and i learned ever inch of that gun and ever detail about guns and ammo i can have another wepon and use it thoroughly

Good ole Clint any gun topic he does his answer will be MK18 lol.

The best home defence gun is the one you have and you are able to use it.

I like the bullpup 12 ga for self defense. It has the rails for the optic as well as the light.

Great Vid. You all had me laughing the whole way. All three are needed. Shotty is King

Hipoint cause its the only one I can find on shelves rn 🙂

Birdshot at close range is devastating. My challenge to them to try it on ballistic jell at 5’

I laughed so much. Great job at dealing with a serious subject.

This topic with you 3 needs to be done yearly!

Maneuverability? Shotgun unwieldy? Too long? Guess they forgot about all those bullpups out there, both semi-auto and pump, e.g., the KSG, KS7, etc., and all the non-NFA "not shotguns" shotguns.

Stopping Power is 100% Shotty

While I'm tryna defend my home, Alek out here defending the world. "All I need to say." -Alek 2022

These are the best half drunk arguments with the boys 😂

I wonder how many people are sitting at home screaming at the screen, 147 subsonic HP!!

5.56 does not over penetrate because it goes so fast and when it hits it's target it basically explodes. Most of the time.

I feel like the arguments for bad ergonomics on the shot gun are fixed by getting a mag fed shotgun. Great video really enjoyed it.

Different guns for different purposes. My home defense gunS are #1 10.5 AR Pistol with Sig Romeo MSR (always on) red dot with a small laser/flashlight combo. VERY Light and simple #2 Sig Sauer P220 45 (original German one) with 10rd mag. #3 Standard 12 Pump Shotgun with extended mag tub and flashlight mounted under the barrel on a rail. 3" Turkey Shot #5. My favorite, is the one I can get to first if needed!

The best self defense gun is the one you will actually practice with. I love shooting sporting clays with my shotgun so I would much rather have my self defense shotgun than a pistol in my hand. But I recognize I am not everyone. If you love shooting pistols, there you go. If you love ARs, run with it. Just get trigger time with whatever you are going to depend on. All that said, for a newbie I would recommend the PCC. It is fun and easier to hit what you aim at when your skills are still developing, so it is more likely to drawing them in and get them out practicing.

Put a slug in the shotgun for home defense. Lmao atleast you wouldn’t have to worry about where 9 pellets went lol

matt made a comment about "force = mass * velocity", but the equation is really "force = mass * acceleration", and "acceleration = change in velocity, over change in time" - which is what opens up the whole discussion about mass and velocity of a hollow-point, that is trying to dump all of it's velocity to zero in the smallest amount of time. It is that change in velocity over time (in this case going to zero) * the mass of the bullet that creates that force.

These are hilarious and informative keep it up. PCC FTW

Never heard guys fight about who's tool is smaller lol

Im glad he learned something useful in one of his MCIs.

I howled laughing... and yet all of you made excellent "intellectual points".... Well done!!

.300 blackout CMMG Banshee subsonic, silenced, any type of AR attachments you want/need, grips/handstops, etc. All of the power you need, the compact nature of a PCC, the ergo/customization of the AR, and capacity over the shotguns. Man these videos with the three of you guys are my absolute favorite. Have a good one guys!

You can get some really great lightweight hollow points or frangible 223 rounds, and sometimes the speed can help to break up those rounds.

Honesty guys. Each one of your firearms have there own situations to cater to. All three of you have incredible home defense firearms.

An Ar-15 just feels comfortable in my hands, it feels like it was made for me. I first time I shot one it was love at first sight. A shot gun is probably more practical for home defense, but the AR-15 carbine is my comfort zone. I feel confident with a steel CZ75B or an AR-15 in my hands. I know that there are better choices, but I stick with what feels right to me.

I like the shotgun. One of the most versatile weapons in use with a wide range of lethal shoot to even using a wide range of non-lethal rounds. And I agree with him, sometimes less is best.

9mm will exit some exterior walls. Locally a few years ago a man in my county had a ND in his home, the round traveled through his walls across the yard into a neighbor's home and struck the neighbor in the back. The neighbor didnt realize he was shot, but the pain was enough he went to the hospital and was hospitalized.

2:25 - That's some Bo Jiden math right there 😂🤣🤣

We need more of this! Hilarious!

The bull pup 12 ga wins bc it's maneuverable, grate knockdown power, its magazine fed, and it's short. Also you can put any accessories you want on it just like an AR