What's the Real Problem Here? Blackfishing? or Black Women's Jealousy?
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Hi everyone welcome back! In today's video we're discussing the internet's favorite topic as of late: blackfishing. This is not a new issue, but outrage resurfaced after singer Jesy Nelson's new video, 'Boyz' came out and Nicki Minaj defended her by saying those who are upset are "just jealous."
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VIDEOS:
'Nicki Minaj slams Leigh Anne (Little Mix) and defends Jesy Nelson | Little Mix feuding w/ Jesy' by Empressive
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'Ariana Grande really, really wants to be mixed' by Kim Foster
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Blackfishing Twitter Thread by Wanna Thompson:
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'What is 'blackfishing' by Woman's Hour:
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0:00-3:12: Intro
3:12- 4:14: Shout out to Wren Co
4:13-23:38: Interracial Jealousy
23:38-27:41: White Monopoly on Beauty
27:41-29:38: Signing Off
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@Asterix_Angel33 2 жыл бұрын
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@florice9036 2 жыл бұрын
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@LoveLaRieXO 2 жыл бұрын
Weaponizing. That is what Nikki, and the likes, does. They weponize and further encourage the mistreatment and minimalizatiom of Black women. Jackie Aina just spoke about this the other day. That whole video is🔥🔥🔥, check it if you haven’t already. LOVED THIIIIIS. THANK YOU
@jaydenwilliams4172 2 жыл бұрын
you should do a collab with thee mademoiselle
@lookhowshegobbledthat 2 жыл бұрын
Let's be real. These women don't want to look black, they want to look mixed with black/biracial or just racially ambiguous. They definitely want to sound black though.
@NIKO-gr7vc 2 жыл бұрын
Thissss. They want the all the exoticism and none of the hardship
@PrincessYonna1 2 жыл бұрын
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black
@froyokid 2 жыл бұрын
Yea but they wanna look mixed with BLACK specifically
@layacharmion 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!!!!!
@kaytee789 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@amandalopes3048 2 жыл бұрын
Jesy is the classic white woman that loves black culture, specially when it comes to music and style, but stays quiet in front of prejudice, Leigh Anne has been suffering with racist comments since day one and she said that she never talked about that with her, so black people's culture is amazing until you have to actually to support a sister
@layacharmion 2 жыл бұрын
Leigh Anne is biracial so let’s be honest she has privilege to 🤷🏽♀️
@amandalopes3048 2 жыл бұрын
@@layacharmion she has privilege but that doesn't exclude the amount of racists comments she recieves to this day
@sugarpearl9781 2 жыл бұрын
@@layacharmion Yes but she’s the only unambiguously black woman in that group (despite being mixed) and has suffered from anti black racism as a result. Jesy is a white woman, has always received love and support from the fandom and has way more privilege than Leigh.
@k.d3983 2 жыл бұрын
@@sugarpearl9781 shes not unambigously because she straight up looked mixed! Black people need to seriously let go of the one-drop rule and stop seeing mixed women like her as racially black. How are we gonna complain about racism, but some of us *still* continue to use white supremacy tacts like the one-drop rule??
@angietoonz6605 2 жыл бұрын
@@layacharmion She stands out as the darkest of the group, which will lead to targeted hate. I remember when i was a fan of Little Mix and One Direction and how much hate Leigh and Zayn got cause she's black and he's the only poc. It doesn't matter how mixed you are, if you're standing out amongst your peers, you'll be targeted.
@mylifeasanadult8792 2 жыл бұрын
Black women are the only group of women who are expected to cheer and support our own demise.
@idiasweet8191 2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone said it
@landresking3988 2 жыл бұрын
Daaamn
@mentalwealth6454 2 жыл бұрын
THISSSSSS
@Beatriz-kj9up 2 жыл бұрын
damn
@gypsyqueen1203 2 жыл бұрын
my god that's not even blackfishing, americans have no other topics just race and blackfishing but she doesn't even look black so what's your problem leave her alone, she can do what she wants
@nonah7675 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing that for white women "costuming blackness is costuming desireability" helped everything click into place. The women who are blackfishing can't live up to white standards of beauty. Jesy Nelson will never be a Taylor Swift, a Bella Hadid. If a black woman looked like Jesy Nelson, she would not be deemed "beautiful" either. She's average-looking (and there is nothing wrong with an average face!). But a white woman costuming blackness? Attractive. That's a loophole they are ready to exploit.
@Yuri-tq4oc 2 жыл бұрын
That makes sense
@hubrisbrutus6805 2 жыл бұрын
THISSS
@alexbennet4195 2 жыл бұрын
I think you're being way too nice in calling her "average-looking"
@kitchensinkchronicles3272 2 жыл бұрын
you’ve cracked it.
@goddesscomic4285 2 жыл бұрын
Jesse is not attractive tho sooo....🤔
@crimson4066 2 жыл бұрын
“Jealousy is used as an accusation for doing something bad when it’s really just a valid emotion when someone is being treated better than you” is on point
@mel818 2 жыл бұрын
that whole part of the video… omg.
@chironaimes 2 жыл бұрын
then yeah they have every right to be jealous.
@shenequareid1157 2 жыл бұрын
That part was well said...💯
@squeakumsthehottie 2 жыл бұрын
She is ALWAYS spot on! I swear I love her!!!!
@jennifer7685 2 жыл бұрын
Such a potent insight. Caught me making that mistake, and now I have learned something that I can be better
@ForeignManinaForeignLand 2 жыл бұрын
It's like everyone can benefit and commoditize Black women's culture but Black women 😮💨
@lizzie7219 2 жыл бұрын
Box braids on black girls are "ghetto" but box braids on white girls is "trendy".
@adlibsbytimi7357 2 жыл бұрын
wordddd. the way people keep hush about their faves “acting black” or portraying themselves as phenotypically racially ambiguous - it’s getting out of hand now ngl. funny how black women are responsible for most things profitable in society but bear no fruit from it. I’ve had enough…
@AverageBaraEnjoyer 2 жыл бұрын
@@lizzie7219 they're hip and urbannnn
@ForeignManinaForeignLand 2 жыл бұрын
@@adlibsbytimi7357 say di tings dem 👏🏾
@ForeignManinaForeignLand 2 жыл бұрын
@@lizzie7219 lawd don't get me started bout the police Brutality of Black hair... Wait i like that title. I might torn that into a vid if Tee hasn't already lol
@EayuProuxm 2 жыл бұрын
"We use jealousy as a silencing tactic" Michelle spit some truth bars right there
@kla6046 2 жыл бұрын
For sure she hit that nail right on the head !
@leahmadalyn Жыл бұрын
Right.
@AUGHHHHHBBG 9 ай бұрын
YES
@shebo693 2 жыл бұрын
I hate when people call it jealousy. It’s not about looking like nobody it’s about receiving the bare minimum of respect from other people.
@Onepieceistheworstfuckinganime 2 жыл бұрын
Is that a mustache?
@squidwardsclarinet 2 жыл бұрын
@@Onepieceistheworstfuckinganime you tryna be funny? 😐
@Onepieceistheworstfuckinganime 2 жыл бұрын
@@squidwardsclarinet No, I asked a simple question.
@squidwardsclarinet 2 жыл бұрын
@@Onepieceistheworstfuckinganime Ok say it was a mustache, what does it have to do with their point? Clearly you was tryna be funny. 😃
@stellawilliamson1693 2 жыл бұрын
Sheboygan. I agree with you please blacks stop talking jealous. We all want to be treated equally who cares about color . I think it gets next to crissy
@WhiteRaven696 2 жыл бұрын
Nicki did what she always does: cause unnecessary controversy to distract from the predatory men in her life. Last time, she was distracting for her brother. This time, she’s distracting for her husband. 🤷🏽♂️
@Iconique888 2 жыл бұрын
🤭 no lies here whatsoever
@c45177 2 жыл бұрын
She actually disowned her brother. But yeah ur right about petty
@CINNAGYALL 2 жыл бұрын
No because we rlly need to talk abt it
@layacharmion 2 жыл бұрын
Ur still talking about it tho 😭😭
@khaliyahliyah6444 2 жыл бұрын
@@c45177 lie again
@aliciabeamon5518 2 жыл бұрын
"Maturing is realizing that Nicki Minaj is a goofy." 💀 Girl. I seen that quote on Facebook and it keeps haunting me.
@honeybee5170 2 жыл бұрын
Whew a word 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@mel818 2 жыл бұрын
Girl, yes!
@stupidass69420 2 жыл бұрын
This quote is so accurate
@flawedchicklogic4385 2 жыл бұрын
She is that loud and dense Karlie Redd ditzy.
@saralenagriffith6509 2 жыл бұрын
Nicki is not even black either she is Trinidadian not African.
@DelovelyD 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is a conversation that I’d like to see older black women have. How can one be jealous of something you already have? The word they’re looking for is righteous indignation.
@kaya214 2 жыл бұрын
Well done. I felt uncomfortable with that “jealous” reference. Very intuitive, thank you for identifying this. It’s not a question of “jealousy” but the validity of us expressing ourselves an that equates to righteous indignation in its entirety.
@grenalien 2 жыл бұрын
AMEN
@meonly6454 Жыл бұрын
BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT FOR EVER THATS WHAT I SAY ALL THE TIME WE BLAQ WOMEN ARE THE CULTURE HOW TF CAN WE BE JEALOUS IF ANYTHING THEY ARE OF US THEY'RE IMITATING US TF
@makayla1374 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@neutronneuron5582 Жыл бұрын
💯🎯
@tadmira127dreamuvtadmir2 2 жыл бұрын
the excuse that "you're jealous" is up to the artists, you can't like Ariana Grande, you can't say anything about Blackpink or other people, the fans automatically "no, what happens is that you're jealous of them because you'll never get to be who they are ”like what ?!
@tifzu_ 2 жыл бұрын
This! Fans immediately take opinions and say they’re hate comments when they aren’t. Opinions and hate comments are 2 different things.
@Ri57490 2 жыл бұрын
These fans bend over backwards to defend random celebs from 'jealous haters'. Celebrity worshippers.
@kelseymii921 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s projection, they look up and idolize these celebrities and want to be them, thus any criticism is taken as “you’re saying something bad about someone **I** want to be.”
@whatreallymatters571 Жыл бұрын
You named two people or one persona and a group that comes to my mind right away. It's definitely like the other person who commented, they want to be like them and so any slight against the artists is a slight against them when in reality it shows that they can't take accountability over their own actions.
@theekatspajamas Жыл бұрын
And that's why I despise stan culture. It just removes any accountability from the person/people being stanned
@Maya-vo8br 2 жыл бұрын
As an Asian woman, seeing the beauty standards change over the years like you were saying I’ve mostly seen centered on white women and even more recently when black or Asian features are in style it’s still black and Asian features on white people that’s really “in style” rather than actual people of color themselves. I also definitely think sexualization and fetishization are such a major player in the conversation. I have to say most times when I see people black fishing or Asian baiting it is most often women and the traits they steal are often most associated with sexualization like curvier figure or darker skin or slanted “foxy” eyes being exotic and indicating sensuality and sexy ness. Physical features should not be indicators of a certain type of person yet people still see them as such.
@jayncoclassic 2 жыл бұрын
Having big boobs and ass isn't black features, I grew up thinking I was fat for my natural body shape. Insta lips on white women tho is shady af. White women also don't fit the standard of beauty, no one can The entire point is to be exclusive, elitist and rich.
@ginihall1234 2 жыл бұрын
How insightful and a first for me.👏🏾👏🏾
@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 жыл бұрын
@@jayncoclassic Having a big butt can happen in any race, of course, but the shape IS very different. More often (but not always) white women have a big butt, it's big because it's wide (but still flatter), but black women's tend to "bubble" outwards (I'm sitting on one now), so that's the difference. So, they don't look/move the same, and because of social media and the like, the focus on big albeit round butts has increased. But not just any big butt is considered attractive. The pronounced roundness is something black women are known for, and that's the goal. So, it's drastically changed from the days when white women were trying to make it as small as possible to now where they're exercising to enhance what they have and make them rounder.
@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 жыл бұрын
Part of the problem with the "foxy eyes" thing is that a TON of black women naturally have that eye shape (and, no, not in that vague, blonde-haired "black" children pic kind of way) and have been accused of copying Asian features. A ton of influencers and celebrities have those eyes naturally; Kennie JD looks like a whole half-Asian woman but she's fully black. Then you have Asian Doll, Tokyo Jets, Brandy Norwood, etc. If what scientists say is true, everyone came from Africa, so that's gonna happen. So I'm not talking about people who are simulating that; I'm making zero excuses for that, but I'm talking about people accusing black women who have those features naturally being accused of it. And as a side point, I know East Asians will be pressed to hear it, but black features are closer to Asian features than white ones are...but that's another story.
@Maya-vo8br 2 жыл бұрын
@@LadyAstarionAncunin oh yeah I definitely agree with your point. I know other races even a lot of latinx people can also have that eye shape for sure. I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet accusing poc for features they naturally have and I think just going around and accusing everyone randomly takes away from the actual conversation on why imitating certain features for certain reasons has negative effects. Like having slimmer and more slanted eyes is seen as sultry and seductive when it’s literally just an eye shape. Personally I just see it more in the Asian community affecting the over sexualization of Asian women probably because that’s the community I hang out most in but definitely it does affect anyone with that eye shape to be perceived as more sexual.
@hannerz777 2 жыл бұрын
"you're not supposed to start looking like us-you're supposed to start dismantling white supremacy."
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
Teanna was on it!
@Monii.s.n 2 жыл бұрын
As a black women, I don't what happened to me but I really don't care about blackfacing and culture appropriation anymore. I'm done like I'm experiencing a burnout. I don't care. I'm just living my life man. I'm tired of explaining my culture.
@anak5880 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly same I used to be very radical about these topics, but I experienced like a burn out too. I felt like I was being too serious about my own culture, which is something I've always liked to share in a fun way and to everyone. In the end, I came to the conclusion that people can make whatever they want with my culture, as long as they're not straight up mocking it. It's actually very simple, and is just a matter of respect.
@ziora0 2 жыл бұрын
Yea girl I’m leveling up and thinking about myself . It’s getting time for bw to stop explaining themselves, everyone knows they don’t care , it’s time we embrace and enjoy life .
@tadmira127dreamuvtadmir2 2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you, How do I keep giving my opinion on that but I honestly do it knowing that nothing is going to change, nothing! all this is going to continue to happen and people are tired of hearing the same thing all the time and that nothing happens. The same happens when, for example, in the world of kpop, a white person making cultural appropriation and saying the N-word and well, white fans are always like “they have apologized, what else do you want” that is, and they go on and on doing the same and then they apologize and people are tired of it because they know that every time they are going to screw up just an apology and that's it they don't care anymore because they know that most of their fans are white and if they ever disrespect the black community does not care much, they make an apology and everything is forgotten.
@VagueGirl 2 жыл бұрын
Good! Cuz I got tired of explaining to people like you why culture appropriation is not a thing and was never gonna be taken serious. And time proved me right
@izabellapollock 2 жыл бұрын
I see what you mean. I definitely care though. But I do want to care less. It’s very draining to care about something that you can’t really fix or change especially with people blindly defending it..
@ThatGenXvirgo 2 жыл бұрын
Just a thought I had as I listened to you...sometimes I think Nicki's wealth and position gives her a proximity to whiteness that makes her forget herself. I don't think she can relate to the average black woman anymore in a real human way because she might think she's superior to the average black woman. Thus, ABW are her adoring fans or annoying jealous bitches. Just a thought I had because when she goes up for someone, it's not usually an ABW (dark skin, not rich, etc.). Great discourse as usual.
@tadmira127dreamuvtadmir2 2 жыл бұрын
I think it is a type of trauma or something, for example if whenever you have tried to have a relationship with some black person you have been treated badly or you feel that you are always in a competition with them, it is normal that you unconsciously create a barrier where your Bad experiences with those black women have left her. I do not know, it is my opinion.
@saralenagriffith6509 2 жыл бұрын
Nicki is not even black, she was born in Trinidad, so she is Trinidadian, thats more of a Latina decent. She moved to Queens New York at age 9, thats why she da Queen😍
@lanadelrat9016 2 жыл бұрын
@@saralenagriffith6509 she's half black i think
@lanadelrat9016 2 жыл бұрын
@@saralenagriffith6509 and just bc u have latino descent doesnt mean u can't be black
@saralenagriffith6509 2 жыл бұрын
@@lanadelrat9016 what makes you think she wants to be black?? Most Latinas dont want to be considered black, its insulting to their culture , she is Trinidadian, she dont even have any black features except maybe her butt
@Shanspeare 2 жыл бұрын
The little laugh after you said Nicki-FELT 😭
@babyxblue 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Shanspeare
@vocalygiftd 2 жыл бұрын
Felt deep, especially when the patois came in cuz whew 😅
@misslaurynhill 2 жыл бұрын
SHANSPEARE HELLO DARLING !!! PLEASE THE COMMENTARY QUEENS.
@misslaurynhill 2 жыл бұрын
but on a real note, nicki stans gatekeep criticism way too much.
@literaIIyshy 2 жыл бұрын
@@misslaurynhill true but "gatekeep criticism" ?y'all truly just be throwing words together nowdays😭😭
@capricoxo234 2 жыл бұрын
Nicki Minaj is cognitive dissonance walking on two high heeled feet. She uses the protect and accept black women thing when it is convenient for her but she carries so many anti-black sentiments at the same time. She’s too talented to be so inconsistent in her views toward black women 😭😭😭.
@gdjwarren2 2 жыл бұрын
👀
@vixensiren248 2 жыл бұрын
I agree she absolutely does this, i think shes also losing her mind too😂
@capricoxo234 2 жыл бұрын
@@vixensiren248 girl yes! She’s been in the game too long and she needs to seriously retire this time and enjoy her time away. But she doesn’t wanna give up that crown! 😭👑
@zoebird978 2 жыл бұрын
I think a major part of this issues comes from white women’s fear of becoming anything other than the beauty standard and the peak of desirability within society. Because, as you all said, it is completely valid to be jealous of the ease in life that other people can experience, but that does not equal a lack of self love and does definitely does not equal malice. In reality, much of the issue comes from white insecurity and how white women project that onto black women.
@cc90351 2 жыл бұрын
this this this
@myfeminineperspective6889 2 жыл бұрын
Zoe I'm glad you can be honest about this. You're so correct. It came to me recently that the reason white women have a problem with crediting Black features like they have in the past, is because Black features are now more desirable than their own...even in their own community big lips and butts are "trendy." So it hurts someone ego who thinks they're Supreme, to have to admit that someone else's features are more desirable now. I even saw a white woman comment that big lips are just a woman's features. Like um...no big lips are predominantly in the Black race and it has nothing to do with gender lol. Both black men and women have that feature often. So it's just amazing to me how some people like to move the bar once it's no longer in their favor.
@queenbbeaute2654 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@user-rq4bf3om1q 2 жыл бұрын
@M eh not really, maybe a few but looking like a “brown Latina” is not uplifted at all
@theonef570 Жыл бұрын
In most parts of the world White women are not the beauty standard.
@yeeyee6723 2 жыл бұрын
Jealousy pins women against each other. It's sad that women can only gain respect from men if we're attractive to them. Imagine a world where a women's life wasn't just about how attractive she is. Where opinions are heard. Where colors aren't favored at all. Men saw women as people and not something to obtain, and women seeing other women as a friend and not a threat. Jealousy holds us back. But it's not anyone fault in being jealous, our social status relies on being attractive and everyone is trying to one up each other, choosing and picking which parts are desired to put on themselves. And beauty is selling more and more and becoming more and more outragous with surgery, filters, and makeup
@woefulwarlock6381 2 жыл бұрын
True sizt
@tadmira127dreamuvtadmir2 2 жыл бұрын
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
@3ortune 2 жыл бұрын
True
@itssoulfr836 2 жыл бұрын
To add on to what you said, the media portrays women as such jealous backstabbing people, especially when it comes to men. In reality most women want to feel beautiful & help other women feel beautiful but men always want to insert themselves into the picture.
@3ortune 2 жыл бұрын
@@itssoulfr836 THISSS
@TrangPakbaby 2 жыл бұрын
Another thing that makes calling out black fishing so detrimental to black women is the fact that we have our own black brothers who aid our oppressors in gaslighting our claims and gleefully assist in throwing black women under the bus. It’s sad.
@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 жыл бұрын
That's really the problem. They know we don't have any backup because the men are approving of it. Not enough black men have a problem with it, and a lot of them like it. It's disgusting.
@elizabethdalgliesh6085 2 жыл бұрын
Birthing the enemy 👀
@IcedLipGloss 2 жыл бұрын
They will literally type essays and dissertations to defend the white womans right to black fish smdh. Just embarrassing
@babyg7796 2 жыл бұрын
@@elizabethdalgliesh6085 definitely has been a major convo going on of black women should start making the decision to stop birthing them…honey I’m childless and I can’t say I haven’t thought about it bc at this point, most of the guys out here subscribe to that colorist, Sickening mentality so why would I want to contribute to that..
@babyg7796 2 жыл бұрын
And that’s on period! 💯 but ppl are truly not ready for that convo
@snoopster7066 2 жыл бұрын
i just hope leigh-anne is doing alright, she's just had twins and i can't imagine what the online hate must have felt like, especially since it was so sudden (i just dont believe she sent messages to a random ass """fan""" suddenly talking shit)
@layacharmion 2 жыл бұрын
He has receipts 🧾 😭😭🤷🏽♀️
@kaylalaufeyson8828 2 жыл бұрын
@@layacharmion facts but then again they may be fake and made up for clout.
@yahainHotPink 2 жыл бұрын
Hope she is literally Ignoring social media. So unimportant in the long run!
@sugarpearl9781 2 жыл бұрын
@@layacharmion Does he have screen recordings? Cuz screen shots are easy af to fake
@snoopster7066 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaylalaufeyson8828 my thoughts exactly. if, IF, she were to talk about this, why wouldn't she talk to a big drama journalist and make some money over it? like, why would she rant to a random person online and risk getting exposed... we are in 2021, receipts can be faked
@BlueberryStem 2 жыл бұрын
“We don’t have to wait a couple decades to be examined by the future generation, we can go ahead and talk amongst ourselves right now.” Say thattt.
@Cakes01 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I don’t know how to feel seeing the features I was bullied for as a kid become a “trend”
@lukesguywalker 2 жыл бұрын
that statement about walking into a room and knowing men might treat you like less because they're not attracted to you is so powerful. it really is so painful to see the way some men treat you if they're not interested. it's like they won't even make eye contact or talk to me like a person, like they're afraid of giving me ideas.
@NinaNeko4 2 жыл бұрын
I hear this but also men can smell insecurity a mile a way. And They’ll either take advantage of it or be repulsed by it.
@emmaganta2545 2 жыл бұрын
this gave me a pang and i agree. bro i just wanted to know where the bus stop is....i don't live my life to serve and worship men.
@lukesguywalker 2 жыл бұрын
To clarify, it's not like im so worried about their attention all the time, it's about basic respect. What if I'm just asking you about good food to eat in town? You don't have to avoid me like I'm diseased just because you don't want to fuck. It's frustrating and dehumanizing.
@IONov990 2 жыл бұрын
@@lukesguywalker How old are these guys? I thought only high school boys acted that immature.
@sarahg2653 2 жыл бұрын
And its weird too bc I feel the same but am also uncomfortable with male attention. Like leering and whatnot. Granted, the latter doesn't happen as often to me lmao!
@coffeebeans5137 2 жыл бұрын
I did a paper in my women's studies class in college explaining favoritism towards the white race in marketing underwear and how "nude" is not nude to me. The trio of basic colors are beige, white and black. It was over 10 years since I wrote the paper so I don't remember all the details, but I remember watching the faces of the students and it was if the thought never crossed their minds. I was introducing an idea that they never had to think about. Like an "ah-ha" moment. Videos like this are important for not just black women for validation, but all races because they are truly blinded in their world. Thank you beautiful ❤️
@bubblegumbxtch9544 2 жыл бұрын
Nude isn't nude to many people. They need to get rid of that word. I'm too white to wear nude it looks bright pink, it only works with some white people, it's dumb and exclusive.
@marriejames01 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah too bad you didn’t take that as an opportunity to create a company. 🤷🏾♀️ The key to creating a company is finding a problem and creating the solution.
@coffeebeans5137 2 жыл бұрын
@@marriejames01 I did own a company at that time that I started when I was 18 getting people without insurance their medications for free. I had to close it once the Affordable Healthcare Act was established by my market was the uninsured. I was able to keep it open for 10 years and help a lot of people 😄
@essendossev362 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's true these videos are educational for white folks such as myself. It is exactly as you say, an 'ah-ha' of when perceiving something for the first time that I was just too deep into to have such a vantage point - like a fish doesn't know it's swimming in water sort of thing. She's really skilled at what she does. Much credit to her.
@patb2582 2 жыл бұрын
I had a white co worker compliment me on my brown shoes that were in my office. She said it was an interesting colour. Like bitch they are nude
@SheJustLeft 2 жыл бұрын
Tee, you just always get it. It’s the gaslighting that’s tiring for me. I made a comment once that I’ve never seen so many white women rocking ponytails like they do now. Of course people started talking about them wearing ponytails as children. I’m referring to the now more urban look of ponytails, including defined baby hair. It seems pretty obvious to most Black girls what I meant. White girls today don’t look like the American Eagle wearing, straight laced white girls I went to school with. I see so much Black esthetic in white women now, it’s weird. As sis said, I know I personally don’t feel jealous of white women for their looks, like at all, but the simple ease of being white would be great to know how that feels for just a day. Even me saying that tho, doesn’t feel right, I’m not jealous of them, just tired. Tired of them continually getting to take, rebrand, colonize, and profit off of what comes naturally to us. All while acting obtuse to what is going on. Wonderful video.
@jamilajohnson7460 2 жыл бұрын
To tell black women that they are jealous when it is a natural emotion. We see the unfairness and it is downright inhumane of people to not allow us to do just that. If you have a tree and do not water it it will die, so how are we going to tell a living being not to react to the stimuli which are hate towards us. Unuh wicked!Thank you for this breakdown Tee.
@FDSignifire 2 жыл бұрын
I recognize that look when you talked about Nicki lol. I know exactly how you feel
@tomasallende9583 2 жыл бұрын
She and Kanye would make a fun couple. I can imagine both of them appearing on Fox news explaining how the real slavery is vaccination.
@michelleokafor1268 2 жыл бұрын
I love your Channel
@agnusredel3709 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomasallende9583 y'all are dYING to frame people as republican, first Lana Del Rey, then Taylor Swift, Rihanna and now Nicki Minaj. It's getting weird.
@xxBlueCinnamonxx 2 жыл бұрын
@@pvssology Was that a trigger for you? You wanna unpack that?
@tomasallende9583 2 жыл бұрын
@@agnusredel3709 But I never said that, I said appearing on Fox news. Which is pretty close to reality. Don't y'all me... lol
@antoinettebennett1407 2 жыл бұрын
Black women tried for years to conform to European beauty standards. We tried. We still got invalidated, discriminated, and called ugly. Ugly. We have now embraced ourselves as we are. Our people are recognizing our own beauty. And the world sees it. And now they’re looking over the fence into our yard and want to take this too. Can we have anything of our own? If not can they at least credit their inspiration and break off some of the bread they earned on generations of our tears? Thats all. Girl want to look like us? Pay. Nothing is free.
@ladybluelotus 2 жыл бұрын
All Facts! However, the one thing that I didn't hear mentioned is that often the inclusion and diversification of spaces and ideas are done so with the intent to destroy the idea or space.
@nicossbots 2 жыл бұрын
you should go back to school and learn that europe is a continent that consists of multiple countries with more or less similar cultures and thus they also have different views on beauty standards..............................................................
@nicossbots 2 жыл бұрын
@Myllena Silva what type??? i guarantee you the blonde blue eyes fair skin type is not the same beauty standard in the entire fucking continent.
@ladybluelotus 2 жыл бұрын
@@nicossbots Why are you cursing at folks over someone else's beauty standards? Bye girl.
@nicossbots 2 жыл бұрын
@@ladybluelotus someone missed my point willingly. bye u too
@boobooismine1 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like it’s important to point out that even if it is jealousy, it’s exactly that. Jealousy, not envy. Black women aren’t mad that white women have something they don’t, they’re mad they’re taking something from our culture that isn’t theirs and getting something from it that you struggle to get when you’re not white.
@Julia-um4rv 2 жыл бұрын
This was so eye opening for me as a white woman. I continue to educate myself but it is hard to see my power since I've always had it without realizing I've had it. I love that you included other women in the conversation. This conversation has been needed for so long and I'm glad you're willing to have it.
@izabellapollock 2 жыл бұрын
I’m very happy you’re educating yourself and actively listening to these issues from other people even if you don’t relate. She really does have a way of articulating and explaining issues very well and is great with talking about multiple diversity issues while discussing such topics with different women!
@Julia-um4rv 2 жыл бұрын
@@izabellapollock definitely!
@svalerie98 Жыл бұрын
As soon as I heard the word educating that's when I knew nothing you say is credible
@lj0727 Жыл бұрын
@Ms. Val I have been seeing all your comments on here, and im just going to say this as nice as possible. You have issues, girl. I don't think you know what the word "educate" means if you have an issue with her using it in the context she did here. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@svalerie98 Жыл бұрын
@lj0727 as soon as I saw the facepalm emoji I knew nothing you say is credible
@mel1723 2 жыл бұрын
Calling someone jealous highlights the fact that there is something to be jealous of. If black women aren't treated as less than, they wouldn't need to be jealous right? there'd be nothing to be jealous of. So calling black women jealous is basically admitting that black women are stepped on and hypersexualized for certain features they are known to possess, while non black women and specifically white women are placed on a pedestal almost regardless what features they possess.
@mel1723 2 жыл бұрын
and YASSS give us that sex ed video!!
@monovatherealest 2 жыл бұрын
Hit the nail on the head!
@userbeyou 2 жыл бұрын
It's weird and ridiculous when peeps say bw are jealous. Y would we be jealous about features we naturally have that others are trying to imitate thru surgeries, makeup, fillers, etc.
@userbeyou 2 жыл бұрын
@KCJYeah, I do get the treatment part. Quite unfair and that could bring jealousy every now and then. But then, If men desire non bw regardless, y get those black features then?
@stepahead5944 2 жыл бұрын
@KCJ To an extent..yes. But it's moreso a mislabeling of the true issues as hand. It's truly about a (lack of) accountability, blatant disrespect, the violence of entitlement.
@gabi-kl3rx 2 жыл бұрын
When I saw the music video I said "how come this yt woman looks darker than Nicki??" And Nicki flew in caping hard for her... just embarrassing
@sourpatchkiiddoo1582 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute RESPECT for the time an effort that everyone put into this. Tee taking the time to find insightful creators with unique opinions that all seem to shine a light on the importance of the topic, the way the questions are formatted to make the creators being interviewed really think about them was intriguing, and how each creator who was interviewed was asked a different open ended question. The way Tee put it all together in a way that was comprehensive and easy to follow is actually impressive considering the complexity of the topic itself. Watching Tee’s videos has given me an insight into my own white privilege, and society as a whole, that I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Im genuinely grateful to Tee for opening my world up to maturity and growth.
@Rivergirl2878 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you including a white woman in the conversation. It’s very validating to know that white women can at least attempt to understand what we’re going through and it’s not just us talking to ourselves.
@Me-ss2gq 2 жыл бұрын
'Whiteness knows no other position than at the forefront of what is considered beautiful' Girl you better PREACH 👏👏
@KristenKras 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, I don't personally think only white is beautiful, I like to see different forms of beauty, colour, culture, size, etc. Its all beauty to me but perhaps I am more open minded in that way...
@mynameisuju 2 жыл бұрын
@@KristenKras this doesn't really mean much in the conversation about whiteness unfortunately. Being an individual who does your best to see beauty in everyone under a system that works very hard to only promote images of white or white adjacent beauty doesn't really challenge the standard. Whiteness is an invented construct, socialised into being seen as the norm through violence, colonial and imperial. It has only ever existed as an imposed standard unto other humans .
@Imxel21 2 жыл бұрын
@@KristenKras individualism doesn’t apply to this situation
@chalantis3341 2 жыл бұрын
@@helloagain6243 Have you looked at media? It’s pretty obvious in commercials/ads, tv tropes. It’s gotten better but history never lies
@justsaying8358 2 жыл бұрын
@TampaDoll sometimes I have the feeling that Black Americans actually forget that they are A Minority in the USA, and that the world doesn't mirror their reality or issues.
@ChrisBrooks34 2 жыл бұрын
I think Tee really encapsulates why don't really find the black fishing or even sometimes the cultural appropriation conversations all that fascinating. Sometimes it just feels like either these people are just real tacky or they're trolls and they pretending that they don't know.
@PrincessYonna1 2 жыл бұрын
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black
@thisismyname8735 2 жыл бұрын
@@PrincessYonna1 No, bm were the gate openers to the cultural appropriation of black culture. Y'all are grasping at straws here. Just let it go. The ones in the industry gladly give women like this jobs over bw. It is what it is. They were called A List in that Straight Out of Compton casting call.
@layacharmion 2 жыл бұрын
@@thisismyname8735 exactly!!!
@Siredgey 2 жыл бұрын
@@thisismyname8735 THANK YOU although it isn’t just men THE BLACK AESTHETIC is being sold for a profit BY US! Y’all mad at the white women but they’re just doing what their told. remember Rita Ora ?! We all thought she was black. And her label (Roc Nation) was ok with getting us to think that. We need to hold our OWN accountable that’s the only way to provoke some kind of change
@brib6046 2 жыл бұрын
@@Siredgey you right and she even went on the Breakfast club saying she liked the privileges it awards her with people thinking she’s Black
@LatriceDiane 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I am jealous. The way I’ve been treated personally, seen my mom treated, seen and heard other black women be treated juxtaposed to how the ww in my proximity are treated is TRIGGERING. It’s also exhausting and low key depressing but we do what we do…press on. I’m also pissed about it. So I guess I’m angry as well.
@cierramala7390 2 жыл бұрын
i really feel like this is just america. in other countries like mexico for example we wear trencitas to like go to the beach or something, and just in general all cultures are shared and appreciated ! america has really made culture less about appreciation and more about who’s better than who which is understandable bc of america’s past, but it’s just a toxic cycle we need to break out of.
@Uyangauya 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree and agree in some ways. I disagree that this is just America, it happens throughout the world, because inequalities in one’s look and hierarchies that still come with it still exist. For example, I’m am Asian American and I see so many people in Asia (keyword, in Asia not Asian Americans) wearing Black protective hairstyles and speaking in AAVE, full well knowing the English they were taught were by white men (because white men are preferred as English teachers in Asia than any other races or genders, a whole another topic in its own). They will say they appreciate hip hop culture and want to be like them, and in same breath be macroaggressively racist towards Black expats they see on the street. They also know that by having dreads and Black protective styles in Asia as an Asian and most importantly Black people, would NOT be hired. I would give another example of many Asians living in Central and South Americas as second generation immigrants and be made fun of for their eyes, yet here we are with many influencers in S and C Americas doing fox eye trends. It happens across all countries in the world, it’s just not talked about as much and dissected as well in the US.
@archive2500 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like it is too. It is insane. In Brazil, light-skinned people have no problem tanning so dark and doing their own thing. But since America is the biggest part of the mainstream industry these ridiculous concepts of division and segregation ("cultural appropriation", "black-fishing", and "n-word concept") are heavily applied and relevant. While in Asia, majority of people bleach their skin and do cosmetic surgery to achieve eurocentric / white look.
@feyernightblade2050 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love that the video includes the opinions of multiple women alongside your own
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
They were so good!
@randomuserwitharandomname6183 2 жыл бұрын
And one non binary, I think.
@welikelethabo 2 жыл бұрын
Agreeeed
@jackieaina 2 жыл бұрын
as usual I am TUNED IN!!! Love seeing new uploads from you
@blessed4565 2 жыл бұрын
love you jackie!!! you deserve all the success you have !!!! xoox
@yerination8531 2 жыл бұрын
hey jackie, didnt expect to see you here haha.
@mercury6284 2 жыл бұрын
Nice seeing you here girl
@theunitedkingdom 2 жыл бұрын
omg queens
@O.SugarHoneyIceTea 2 жыл бұрын
A Queen supporting another queen. Love to see it. 🥰
@marielovelygold8337 Жыл бұрын
TBH I'm jealous af.. jealous that other women that are not black can have a baby at the hospital without worrying about dying. I'm jealous white men can jog without getting shot I'm jealous that the white girl in the video can say the same thing I have been saying for decades but when I say it I'm just jealous
@mayamendoza9577 Жыл бұрын
Amen!!!!! Like it’s not jealousy , we’re tired of being stepped on. We’re stepped on by each other, by our men, by other races, by the fucking world.
@StayHome4Them 2 жыл бұрын
As a mixed race woman, married to a full black man I have soooo many feelings on a lot of the videos that you make. #1. I have definitely experienced the privilege of racial ambiguity and still do to this day, up until my husband is standing next to me 😢 then the entire dynamic of conversations seems to change and there is an undertone of "oh you are one of them". You are 100% right about wanting wanting the reward but also wanting the protection. And that's a hard thing for even me to admit. #2. These women are not mixed race, those of us who are already have a hard enough time trying to find our place in the black community. I know other mixed women who feel as though we have to choose a side. These women black fishing make it more difficult for us to be accepted into the culture that we are actually a part of. #3. Someone else wrote a comment about this... It invalidates those of us who are mixed race/ racially ambiguous. They are creating a narrative of what our culture should be... As a mixed person I have a lot to offer the world but now not only am I being compared to the standard of black women (which I don't meet) I'm also being compared to the standard of women of are ripping off the beauty and culture of women of other races... Its makes it seem as though who I am is invalid by almost forcing us to pick a culture to cling to rather than being allowed to embrace all the cultures I was born into. I hope this comes across well...
@sierrareynolds9291 2 жыл бұрын
felt
@Kelly-jg3if 2 жыл бұрын
I hear you ❤️
@nova4476 2 жыл бұрын
was waiting for someone to say it. it’s so frustrating being forced to ‘’pick a side’’.
@BettyToldyouuu 2 жыл бұрын
I’m enjoying mixed ppl starting to speak up and claim their space for themselves instead of letting white ppl make such a horrible representation and black ppl use y’all as pawns.
@Chilly9058 2 жыл бұрын
Well said. These white women that are trying to look racially ambiguous is invalidating. It almost makes it seems like us mixed race people are “one of them”. Seems as if it’s taking away my ability to be from the cultures I am actually a part of and enjoy about myself. I don’t like the feeling. I know no one can take that away from me but it’s just invalidating and unfortunate to see.
@raynajcarter 2 жыл бұрын
as one of many black women who were relentlessly bullied for cornrows, big lips, and dark skin at a young age...this was very enlightening and a great conversation. looking forward to developing friendships in which i can discuss topics like this! love your work tee, you're like a sociological-concept-questioning big sister!
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this comment so much!
@lesbiangoddess290 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly felt this too.
@NeishaLoving_ 2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail ..right on the head. love it .
@yolonniekmp 2 жыл бұрын
Very very true and I am brown skin girl and I was bullied for my features and it weird to see them try to use filters and tans for our features, also looking at your pfp your very beautiful and you look like you have a nice personality
@raynajcarter 2 жыл бұрын
@@yolonniekmp aaah thank you! it is totally weird to see stuff like that to me. funny how trends and ideals change.
@noseyandneutral 2 жыл бұрын
See, that’s the problem. Everyone is too hesitant to call Nicki out as if it’s “complex”. It’s not. I wish we can just call celebrities out with our chest without the forceful empathy that they 1) don’t deserve 2) won’t reciprocate to you vice versa. It’s not about scolding, it’s about not enabling the bullshit, labeling it as “complicated”. It’s really not
@rin6435 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!! People need to be able to call out Nicki unless they’re just going to enable it.
@noseyandneutral 2 жыл бұрын
@@rin6435 Thank you. I just don’t know what’s a sticky situation about Nicky boldly enabling pedophilia and r*pe, going on her podcast stating “it was a white girl” as if that lessens the blow of him being a rapist.
@boredasf4856 2 жыл бұрын
@@rin6435 nicki has her fans that follow her around and you know what’s funny her fans are mostly black and white man.
@Imxel21 2 жыл бұрын
@@boredasf4856 yep both who really don’t like black women ironically
@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 жыл бұрын
Nicki has a history of colorist comments herself, so she's good for it. People fear the fandoms brigading, but that's weak. Who cares about some dislikes? Aren't these channels supposed to be trying to get engagement?
@ronnievinsmoke 2 жыл бұрын
17:45 her talking about walking into a room and not expecting anyone to desire you hit so hard as a fat woman. Obviously I know that's completely not what the video is about but I really relate to that feeling of not looking like the people that have been deemed "pretty." Great video as always 💖
@jde8532 2 жыл бұрын
If that’s your cute little face in your profile picture, then I think you’re beautiful.
@hunter-lilyflores4951 Жыл бұрын
God, same here. That really hit home for me.
@JayMorenoHair 2 жыл бұрын
As a white gay I see black women as powerful and inspirational. Like Most of my feed in everything is usually black creators. Because yall are creative and smart and funny and make good content. Alot of times also, yall are the original creator's and dont credit. Like in the art community it is practically a cardinal sin to not credit other artists, why cant the rest of the world do that when it comes to black women. Like we need to credit black women because they truely created popular culture and dont get their credit. Tee you keep creating your content and doing this Important work. Love your content.
@desiscarletblack6993 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for acknowledging what black woman go through. I appreciate honestly and truth.
@gianna526 Жыл бұрын
Why should we credit only black women? Some of them are incredibly talented, and some of them are terrible. Let's appreciate them as individuals, they've done much better things than have more melanin than most people.
@mayamendoza9577 Жыл бұрын
@@gianna526they wasn’t saying credit only black women. They’re saying we need credit for our contributions to the community.
@svalerie98 Жыл бұрын
Self loathing is gay so makes sense
@sm1purplmurderedme583 10 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️
@blackgirlmagic732 2 жыл бұрын
It becomes a problem for me when people want to look and sound black but don't speak up against racism and racial injustice. It becomes a problem for me when people wanna say black people are stealing trends (that are from black culture) from them (Nikita Trashgun and her statements) It become a problem for me when I and my black community are discriminated against and demonized for expressing our culture and pride in our hair, but other people are praised for it. I just think it's incredibly hypocritical and that's it
@rin6435 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly 👌🏾
@prxncess6463 2 жыл бұрын
"Nikita Trashgun" bumboclaat💀💀💀💀
@igualdad5505 2 жыл бұрын
@@prxncess6463 🤭😂
@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 жыл бұрын
It's one reason why I'm irritated about K-pop. When are these channels gonna start tackling that en masse. I live in East Asia, and they really think that Koreans thought that stuff up themselves, even though they have black choreographers (or Koreans who spent time in the U.S.) teaching them everything and having them literally study us. It's all fake. For a buck. I don't care what their music says. They don't even know, like, or trust us. It's all surface level. I don't have a problem with Asian people succeeding, obviously, but stop using our culture to do it.
@julianharris6698 2 жыл бұрын
What do you want her to do? She already spoke against racism
@Richard-lh3te 2 жыл бұрын
White women are realizing there a benefits to being seen as “exotic” the Kardashian’s are a great example, they tout their Armenian ancestry as a way to blur the lines of their whiteness. Armenians are white, they are Caucasian and their mother has Anglo ancestry. They use this to justify the intensity of their tans and the loose curls which aren’t ethnic markers of Armenian heritage.
@shaina8947 2 жыл бұрын
very true, but aren't armenians considered middle eastern? it's in west asia, not europe so i think technically the kardashians are only half white, while the jenners are fully white
@PrincessYonna1 2 жыл бұрын
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black Also them being so fascinated with erasing black women, that’s racism in it self.
@Zvwry 2 жыл бұрын
@@PrincessYonna1 yup yup yup leads to the eraser of 100% mono racial black women.
@DotRD12 2 жыл бұрын
@@shaina8947 Armenians are literally from the Caucuses, they’re Caucasian. Race isn’t a factor of geography and Middle-Eastern isn’t a race.
@ultimatesportsmedicine4395 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of them are attracted to black men who are colorist so they make efforts to fit the "mixed/ exotic" look. It's disgusting af on both sides :(
@twinkle231979 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if some of it is motivated by a weird kind of ‘white shame’, like, white women wanting to dissociate from being fully white, because there’s a kind of shame about white supremacy etc. Maybe. It’s hard for me because as an autistic person I don’t see race and skin colour like others do, I literally see the world differently to neurotypicals, to me people are just people , and so I’ve always really struggled to understand why or how anyone could be racist, while at the same time experiencing racism myself and being absolutely baffled by it ( I’m not black, I’m part Indian and also Jewish so a double whammy of nonsense from people, white and black. Comments of ‘what are you’ are my favourite) so I guess my point is I’ve tried really hard to understand the issues, and while doing so, I did get the feeling that a kind of ‘white shame’ may be, subconsciously, a motivator for blackfishing, although definitely not the only one, as the video pointed out so well. I do remember, as an aside, a period of time 20 odd years ago when white men would simulate black men’s style, music , music videos, dance and so on, which was always cringe. At the same time though, if you listen to and admire forms of black music as a white person, it might seem normal to also emulate the clothes, style, beauty and perhaps not really think about how that might make others feel. I dunno. Humans are strange
@aclstudios 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, that's exactly it. We (white) get shamed non-stop, but whenever we bring this up as a reason for blackfishers, Asianfishers, etc., we get silenced and shut down. Nobody wants to hear thoughts on race coming from a white person, even though it affects us too! I was threatened violently and nearly doxxed for commenting about a white girl who was essentially blackfishing (her DNA test had like 0.9% African DNA on it and she claimed to be black lmao). I was told I wasn't allowed to comment on someone who was... the same race as me. Was told I was whitemansplaining, that term is so overused and means nothing now. So thank you for understanding! I'm autistic too btw. And I guarantee many viewers of the channel, maybe even Tee herself, would shun my view as well but remember, it takes all colors to make a rainbow.
@plutopian9059 2 жыл бұрын
@@aclstudios may i please ask you how your race affects you? in what way, as well? negatively or positively? because for you, being white is a positive thing as you get to experience certain privileges, advantages and opportunities that poc do not benefit from since you are not disregarded for your race. complaining about not being able to share your views on matters that don’t concern you (other than you being the main oppresser) is victim mentality. instead, why not utilize your privilege and use it as a way to shed light on the oppression that many poc go through.
@gloriatisnanga5925 2 жыл бұрын
@@aclstudios white people can have opinions on race but to be more objective it would be fair to acknowledge some of the privilege whiteness accords you.
@aclstudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@plutopian9059 How about you people stop feeling entitled to white people's words, bodies, and actions? Because the exact same drivel you typed here is all I've been seeing in online spaces for years now. Online spaces that, FYI, do not belong to you people. But your entitlement makes you think they do. Maybe you can brainwash all the other left leaning whites, but your bullshit will not get me. Mark my words. To answer your questions: grew up in a diverse area. Enough said. Lots of bullying, lots of it from black people and their admirers. Everyone loves black people way more than you can imagine, you just choose not to see it. I didn't stand a chance having friends and being respected. What privileges do I have? Very few. Admittedly maybe a few, but not nearly as many as PoC seem to think. Now I get to be silenced in online spaces, have my spaces taken from me, as well as be banned from many universities. Some of these matters very much do concern me when it does affect my well being and mental health. Forcing me to be around PoC who do nothing but bully and attack me. I'm not utilizing shit for you people. Not at all. Everyone else is already doing that. Go fuck yourself and all the upvotes you got.
@aclstudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@gloriatisnanga5925 I can barely think of any. Other than maybe not being followed in stores? But that's not exclusively a white thing.
@lp2033 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciated deeply but also struggled deeply with Michele - sidestepped all the questions and truly just emphasized that white people are not only not having these conversations with each other but avoiding the conversations with themselves.
@locsoluv94 2 жыл бұрын
I have a theory. She's experienced relentless body-shaming. maybe she's observed that being plus sized is celebrated among black women more than white women. So she's tried to adapt traits of black women to hopefully lessen some of the abuse. I'm not making excuses for her, though. She's fully wrong for this. People shouldn't be body-shaming her, and she shouldn't be appropriating blackness to make her life easier.
@mynameisuju 2 жыл бұрын
But then that speaks to how black men will body shame their own especially dark skin women, but embrace it in anyone non black. I mean I still remember that plus size model Ashley Graham talking about how black men just loooove her and even though she got dragged, she still married a black man! Plus size white women will feel undesired by white men then use black men as the reliable source for their validation. Its even become a joke in media that black men love "fat" white women.
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
Jemmar made a similar part in the extended version of this video (on Patreon)
@orls9068 2 жыл бұрын
She just followed the Kardashian formula
@jiwonverse 2 жыл бұрын
@@mynameisuju exactly. as a black girl whos still young and insecure when a guy doesn’t like me (especially since im not skinny) its like all the black men only like white girls and white men like white girls. i often feel like we get no love
@vivixeyl5380 2 жыл бұрын
@@jiwonverse But even if some of us gets love they will go for the light-skin ones.
@deeksharao836 2 жыл бұрын
Hey!! I'm an Indian, and I'm pretty tuned into understanding cultural appropriation and black fetishism, and I just want to say that THIS IS SO INFORMATIVE AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND RESONANT WITH UR THOUGHTS! Like, it's sickening to see how on a global scale, black beauty is being comodified and sold as an "aesthetic" yet there's blatant and rampant racism whether on the internet or in physical reality. And it's super frustrating just witnessing it as an outsider (not part directly as part of the community, more involved as growing (in terms of educating myself) anti-racist). Even here in India, looking at beauty standards and making a parallel of colourism here, the growing trend of using black beauty (specific make-up styles and techniques, big lips, etc.) but yet being ignorant on the importance of it, and not self reflecting, that's what frustrates me, I can't imagine how black women are so so tired and angry with this ignorance and appropriation! Using a skin colour as an aesthetic, it's just plain disgusting! And people need to start realising what their individual contribution to racism is and start making changes in their lives!
@happyblacklegends 2 жыл бұрын
Love your comment
@Stacy_G 2 жыл бұрын
This comment right here💯💯💯
@latreciaherring1229 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic and insightful comment. Thank you.
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing comment! But in India, cultural appropriating black culture is growing!?
@theotherthing1853 2 жыл бұрын
im sri lankan and i feel the EXACT same way!
@ashleydeluca1185 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how you translate everything with such poise, clarity & respect towards everyone involved even though some don’t deserve the respect… 💜
@yoursidebitchsorrynotsorry8632 2 жыл бұрын
im offically OBSESSED with this content! you sparked a conversation with actual other people to vocalize their stories. as a fellow black woman in a university/ scholarly space having these conversations are sometimes hard, so thank you fo providing me with a shoulder to lean on
@bizarrebunny5579 2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the main issues is that people mistake her for another band member Jade (who is a woman of colour)... when it gets to the point where people can’t tell the difference between you and a person of colour, it’s been taken way too far
@DreamsAreMakeBelieve 2 жыл бұрын
I really saw someone say Jade was trying to look like Jesy.... liek if anything it's the other way round 🙃
@babygirla5717 2 жыл бұрын
@@DreamsAreMakeBelieve Right how can a black women try to look like a white women trying to be black?? This world is going to waste.
@theetherealshaye 2 жыл бұрын
@@babygirla5717 Jade isn’t black, she’s part Egyptian and Yemeni, but the issue still stands of course. I’ve been a fan of Little Mix since they were formed on X Factor and to see the girls like this is sad. Really sad.
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 жыл бұрын
@@theetherealshaye Egyptian and Yemen isn't a race, so let me stop you right there. And her mama is a dark skin Black Egyptian or Yemen (IDK which one) woman. Pls, learn the difference between race and ethnicity, and distinct ethnic groups.
@theetherealshaye 2 жыл бұрын
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 okay, fair comment. My response was in assumption of the commenter talking about full, unambiguous blackness, but thank you for clarifying and correcting my response, I appreciate it. And I didn’t know the exact skin tone of her mother, so thanks for that additional information!
@MichellaneousMe 2 жыл бұрын
I think the thing that bothers me so much about this “ambiguous looking” trend (yes, trend) is 10ish years ago I had a classmate who used to make fun of my hairstyle and braids for almost my middle/high school life. Nowadays when I get friend suggestions on social media she pops up and is now rocking the same hairstyles she used to make fun of me for 🙃
@mzgreenjeansapproves 2 жыл бұрын
This
@babygirla5717 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that’s crazy and please don’t ever accept her friend request.
@shaytaylormade5244 2 жыл бұрын
Facts I have similar situation happen to me as well
@929er13 2 жыл бұрын
honestly all the fully white people were mocking thick lips and full brows and nowadays they're all the rage people are weirdos
@LadyAstarionAncunin 2 жыл бұрын
@@babygirla5717 Right? 😆
@erincrittendon8269 2 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this after going to a party last night, and just feeling how looked over i was compared to my lightskinned friends by guys. I actually cried because I just feel this pit of jealousy in my stomach and I hate feeling this way sometimes 🙃
@tessy28 2 жыл бұрын
Abegg fuck that party. You are the party baby girl.
@Sahnequeen Жыл бұрын
Please don't. You got a wonderful skin colour.! I am white and sometimes I wish to have black or darker skin, because mine is verry sensitive 😑🤣 Love from Germany🥰
@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139 Жыл бұрын
I understand. Ur not alone in ur feelings. Something I heard recently that I think can help this situation I think was from Tupac “the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice” remember, we’re priceless 😍
@helenacummings2745 Жыл бұрын
Dont be jealous or resentful of anyone, God made you You. You' re beautiful God made you in his image and you dont need to change a thing, what people need is to change their heart, lifestyle and attitude and look for God, Not change their skin color, not change their body parts Not change their culture God Bless🙏
@kiyawilson3520 2 жыл бұрын
Your breaks and pauses are EXACTLY how I am when trying to tell people some "controversial " topics. I've never been one to shy away from uncomfortable topics, I think we NEED to have conversations to better understand each other. But when I'm ranting I constantly have to stop and be like," alright... so... hm how can I best..."
@javierolivares6549 2 жыл бұрын
I really feel a connection w/ this vid, cos bein’ latino/hispanic, as a kid I’d be called monkey and Tarzan cos of my hair and facial features. I’d been made fun of cos my culture’s aesthetics/trends we’re concerned “ghetto” or “ratchet”. But now it’s okay when white guys dress up like us, perm they’re hair, tan their skin, learn our language/dialects/vernaculars and try an call it “street/urban/edgy style”, or even go as far as to claim to be “1% Cuban” too try to pass as us. So now I truly comprehend and understand, that it’s not that we’re jealous or angry. We’re just irritated and upset of being criticized/made fun of, then robbed and given absolutely no credit of what we created. Without us and all of our cultures, pop culture won’t exist.
@zebb9528 2 жыл бұрын
i didnt realize that this affects guys beauty standards too in a similar way until now. i mean ive seen guys w the curly perms and thought they look goofy, but i just realized it also elicits the same feelings wow
@maxcan5612 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly its like putting in all the work while someone else takes credit. They wanna look like us, cool but why do we have to be labeled "ghetto" and "ratchet". They are taking human beings and our culture and pretending it's a trend. Doing the same stuff but getting praised for it, only we created it.
@garf1906 2 жыл бұрын
YES THIS!! this is so disrespectful!! im mexican and i see it happen with cholo culture so much and like everyone makes so much fun of them and treats their culture like delinquents (note they come from a harsh enviroment of everyday violence so theyre a product of their surroundings) but the moment a white passing pretty boy uses their mannerisms as an "aesthetic", just like you said its deemed as "urban" and now its cool like what in the actual fuck??
@sediman1662 2 жыл бұрын
@Khadijah Scurvin my heart goes to y'all
@BF-bb5us 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing from a male perspective as often this thought of solely as a female discussion. Totally agree with your comment
@user-rt8hl4rp4k 2 жыл бұрын
When talking about the jealousy, the way I would describe it is like answering a question but the teacher doesn't hear you and then a classmate says the same answer as you and gets rewarded for it. Of course you'd feel jealous. That was YOUR answer, it was yours to begin with, someone stealing it and then saying they were just "appreciating" it would obviously make you mad.
@cassie3125 2 жыл бұрын
Then you call out that person right then and there for directly stealing your answer. I feel like this is more like being jealous because someone has the same answer as you but they have never met you in their life 😅
@saralenagriffith6509 2 жыл бұрын
Ok you are an adult now, get over it! Dont be like the teacher then. But to carry on a grudge and hold an entire race responsible isnt fair. I was robbed at gun point and got my jaw broke by a black man twice my size when i was 17 so should i hold that against all the rest? Or just the ones that look like him??
@iceek1778 2 жыл бұрын
@@saralenagriffith6509 this have absolutely nothing to do with the subject. you should go check if you still have a trauma from that punch cus it’s worrying
@saralenagriffith6509 2 жыл бұрын
@@iceek1778 i dont still have trama about it any more at all, but when my jaw was wired i was for the first couple weeks, but i got over it and i dont hold it against everybody else and it happend to me not my ancestors that ive never even met.
@dwaynesilva9203 2 жыл бұрын
@@saralenagriffith6509 OK you missed the point. Is that guy now making money of the fact that he broke your jaw? That money he stole? was it more then a million?and was it more then 30 million black man that did this to you? are they now walking around with a jaw that looks like yours and cashing in on it? Do they get recognition now for what was your look? And do you get left in the dust by it? You we're unlucky to meet 1 bad black guy out of dozens of bad apples just like in any other race. I'm sure it's not all white people who do this with beauty (other subjects maybe?) It's usually people with money, power and influence that set the narrative and those who follow. Are you one that follows? then you don't need to feel like you fit the bill. But you can help by not being biased!
@jadesmith7983 2 жыл бұрын
I'm HERE for how well you put this video together and how intellectually thought out this conversation was.👏👏🙌!!
@queen_j1422 2 жыл бұрын
All day...I appreciate you! It's a tiring thing, cuz folks seem to choose ignorance instead of listening and understanding. I can imagine this being a Course in Undergrad. Been a LONG TIME since my undergrad days (there maybe some classes like this already), but keep being awesome sis!
@LoveeYourselff404 2 жыл бұрын
Just something real quick, how can Nicki call anyone insecure and her whole look..you know what let me just mind my business 🐸☕️
@affionge 2 жыл бұрын
👀.... I meeeeaan! Everything you did and didn't say was facts 💯
@LoveeYourselff404 2 жыл бұрын
@@affionge 😂😂😂😂😂 I meaaaannnnnnnnnnn
@MsElizaRae 2 жыл бұрын
Woo! Sure is shadey out here 😎🤣
@melanatedcyb3rst4r 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh no girl now you HAVE to finish that sentence na 😂🔥
@butterflyera765 2 жыл бұрын
can you elaborate?
@lockheart619 2 жыл бұрын
“It wasn’t that I was jealous of their whiteness, but the ease that came with whiteness” This sums up everything I ever felt about white people.
@Lunalla 2 жыл бұрын
That’s concerning you feel that way towards an entire group of ppl, seems like it’d be racist if it was the other way around.
@persephone2706 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lunalla Exactly.
@mauve9266 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lunalla i think that’s kinda the point like it is concerning but it also points to the larger issue of how prevalent this sort of thing is. Also, could be wrong, but I don’t think it’d be inherently racist were a white person to express this view although it’d be a little weird/complex as to the reason for said jealousy, at least as it pertains to beauty standards but I don’t think the view itself would be racist.
@jinaenae2285 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lunalla unless you're black, you'll never understand.
@DarkAngel2512 2 жыл бұрын
It was easy for every race back in the day. It's just Gen Z want to start race wars again for some reason.
@lilpeanut9985 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making the videos that you make❤️! The work that you put in is so incredibly important. I've learned so much about the community and it's made me feel more empowered than I ever have before. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@hanaflowery 2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad I've found your channel! Love your content, it's so informative and it is perfect to understand.
@Minnie-yi8ki 2 жыл бұрын
When black women speak up about this people say the same thing “we’re just jealous” like honestly what is it to be jealous of? Why be jealous of someone who wants to portray me? Meee!!!!🤨
@lisaoziel3574 2 жыл бұрын
she became a solo artist they kicked her out of the group, the 'group' is totally jealous. Her management got Nicki and P Diddy in the video like their management took forever to get Nicki.
@Minnie-yi8ki 2 жыл бұрын
@@lisaoziel3574 or maybe they just spoke up on something that obviously controversial and that’s a problem
@lisaoziel3574 2 жыл бұрын
@@Minnie-yi8ki true the media also spin things way out of line for ratings. I love Jesy but parts of the video was cringey like the way the men were dressed and the teeth. Folks can't say anything anymore everyone is uptight.
@Minnie-yi8ki 2 жыл бұрын
@@lisaoziel3574 what do you mean “people can’t say anything”?
@lisaoziel3574 2 жыл бұрын
@@Minnie-yi8ki because alot people get offensive over criticism
@marvelineous 2 жыл бұрын
a lot of nonblack folks treat black culture the way most of us treat flowers. they see the parts that they think are pretty, but they don’t actually know what makes it pretty or where it came from. then they pick it and they use it to decorate themselves and their space until it becomes a withered, distorted mess of what it once was.the Jesy situation pisses me off even more because there are no black celebrities are bleaching their skin and wearing traditional european styles to emulate whiteness. there are no famous brown people trying to emulate whiteness period and there won’t be for the foreseeable future because it’s very very very easy for white people to see how that’s wrong, but many act like it’s extremely hard for them to see how the opposite is wrong.
@tigs6639 2 жыл бұрын
Why do things need to be separated by race? Yes, different cultures have their own traditions/hairstyles/food/music/dance/language/films/literature/festivals/religious holidays/i.e.CULTURE.....and yes we should acknowledge the history of culture. But I believe we should be open to sharing cultures, otherwise we are all living in separate bubbles determined by what body you happened to be born into... That's a step backwards, not forwards, surely..? 'White' culture isn't one thing, in the same way that 'black' culture isn't. It's mixed, it varies from country to country. History is complex and nuanced. Humans have migrated and shared their culture all around the world. And culture doesn't stay the same, it adapts over time, new things get integrated, things which are no longer relevant get dropped. Where do you draw the line? It's ok to cook and eat food from other cultures. But not clothes? Not hairstyles? What about learning and speaking other languages? The human experience should be shared as widely as possible, the more we understand eachother, the less people fear the unknown, fear the 'other'. We are all one. Yes we have differences, but we have more in common than not, and I would rather live in a world where people aren't told what they CAN and CAN'T do based on race. Yes, I am aware of the difficulties re:appearance/race in the beauty/music industry etc. I know that these issues stem from injustice, but I don't think we'll overcome this by separating culture into black/white. It breeds further division. When we share culture, more people learn about it, it breaks down barriers and negative stereotypes. For example, I've heard of children being sent home because they have dreadlocks/box braids. Clearly that is WRONG, but the the thing that makes it wrong is the *discrimination based on race* .You don't fix it by saying 'white people can't wear dreads/box braids'....all that does is make the hairstyle even more divisive. When we share culture, we can be free to learn about others and express ourselves better. When we decide who can use certain parts of culture depending on their race, you're playing the same game the racists are playing, and we don't need to be playing that game. We should be proving to them that culture doesn't have to be limited by what body you happened to be born into. We need to rise above this binary system of black vs. white, it does all of humanity a disservice and injustice. Peace💕🕊🌿
@dont_harsh_my_mellow 2 жыл бұрын
@@tigs6639 I think it might be offensive in that these white people are taking away from black culture while not crediting the culture or even respecting the people of the culture they're taking from. Imagine if it is a person saying they love sushi and kimonos but not fully owning up to that those are Japanese things and also being racist to Japanese people. Now imagine that a person like that made a fashion line of kimonos and warped their original purpose to where the history and culture of them is discarded and made a significant amount of profit over what any Japanese person has made. IT. IS. INFURIATING. Like okay. Kumbaya. Love and peace and all things sunshine and rainbows. But give credit like where it's due! Black people aren't so mad just because they are selfish and don't want to share their culture. They're mad bc they go work so hard to build a culture and then have it be used by white people without really giving credit as well as how white people can take part in the culture yet not get the stigma of it like black people do (i.e. called ghetto, ratchet, dirty, explicit, dangerous, violent).
@btscracks7913 2 жыл бұрын
this video was so well put. I always used to say "well there's nothing wrong with them appreciating my culture", but its not appreciation if they get more love than I do, a member of my ACTUAL culture.
@user-kj8yj5en6g 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't tune in with what is happening on social media but I always learn so much from your videos. The way u explain things amd analyse things is a gem. Thank you.🙏🏿
@madisonc6928 2 жыл бұрын
You know that feeling when you’re a kid and you quietly make a joke under your breath and the more popular kid hears it, then repeats it louder and has the whole class laughing? I think it’s that kind of feeling. Very valid jealousy feeling even if it’s over something as minuscule as a joke. It’s not like you need credit or validation for it but it sucks to watch someone else get it in that moment. As soon as I hit puberty as a little black girl I was very jealous of the amount of desirability that white girls had. When straight guys interact with other straight guys that they obviously don’t desire they were very rough with eachother physically so I was always in fear that because most guys didn’t desire me that they would more likely be mean to me or violent. It was sort of irrational but also unfortunately somethings did happen and I had to physically protect myself on many occasions by people that didn’t see me as feminine enough to be respectful. I was never just jealous because white women had naturally straight hair or lighter skin etc. It was never a vanity thing but I was jealous of the benefits and privileges that they were awarded because of these features. I never wanted them because I thought I would look better I wanted them to fit it and to survive. As an adult I grew out of most of those feelings except for the trauma. I just love myself differently than I did as a kid I hope to be a positive role model for younger black girls. It’s a scary world out there.
@Kzzhzzk 2 жыл бұрын
What you mention about the need to protect yourself because you feared that it people that didn't seem to desired you will treat you violently is quite an important topic that nobody talks about. I'm from the middle east, and I fell jealousy of the amount of protection white women/people receive. They use to come to our country to show us how "empowered" they were, but in reality they were "protected" if something happened to them the military would've been mobilized and the media wouldn't stop talking about it. On the other hand, I knew for a fact that if the west saw me dying on the street they wouldn't care less, despite claiming they are in the country to "save" Muslim women. I was also jealous of white women being related to not only beauty but pureness which makes people more prone to help them. But us, Muslim women or any woman of color, we are seen as a threat, sadly.
@monsieurfrancoise 2 жыл бұрын
💚💚
@tingzbedjum 2 жыл бұрын
Yknow as a minor here I can tell you that all of my poc friends hate white people, or are critical of them because of the privileges and ease they have with being white, which prevents them to see how other people have lesser privileges. I'm really glad that there's a lot of awareness, especially on the internet because if it weren't for that I would not be educated on this topic at all
@saintnicole3209 2 жыл бұрын
i'm white so obviously i can't relate to your expeiriences as a black woman but i relate to what you said ab being scared bc men weren't attracted to you. in my middle and high school it was pretty much assumed that guys bullying girls was just not okay, but i as a girl still got bullied by dudes and i always felt like it was bc ppl didn't see me as pretty or feminine enough to deserve respect. stay strong girl sending love your way 💕
@mileycrwilliams1637 2 жыл бұрын
@@saintnicole3209 Same, I'm black though but I think a lot of girls can relate to that. When guys don't find you attractive they would treat you with less respect and bully you and see you as one of the guys so they wouldn't hesitate to beat you up. it sucks tbh
@CrystalOkonkwo99 2 жыл бұрын
Non-black people at times see blackness as an accessory and not a culture and a fabulous race. That’s why they argue with us when we call out their appropriation of our cultures.
@nylahw9348 2 жыл бұрын
What exactly is blackness? A white persons interest in black culture is not affecting you whatsoever, you just been emotionally conditioned to see modern white people as racists. She’s not hurting “us” whatsoever and she can express herself. Race doesn’t determine you interests as a person and shouldn’t limit you self expression.
@_mjxkenshin 2 жыл бұрын
@@nylahw9348 You don't get to tell her that it doesn't affect her- or gas light her into believing that this isn't important if you have to ask questions like "What exactly is blackness". Interest and appropriation/fetishization are two entirely different things. Educate yourself.
@nylahw9348 2 жыл бұрын
@@_mjxkenshin Educate yourself on the harms the culture your trying to gatekeep does to your community. Nobody is gaslighting anyone, simply asking the question. Blackness isn’t a personality trait and is a relative description of black people influenced by the culture. Get your fact from books, not tabloids using your emotions as commerce.
@_mjxkenshin 2 жыл бұрын
@@nylahw9348 It’s pretty clear that the point of the video went right over your head. Anywayyy- you don’t get to decide what is and isn’t important to people, especially in terms of their cultural identity i.e. Blackness since you claimed you don’t even know what that is.
@nylahw9348 2 жыл бұрын
@@_mjxkenshin I don’t actually, because there is no such thing. Being black isn’t a personality trait and isn’t an excuse or attachment of myself. Black culture can be for black and non black people depending on their environment. Nobody’s silencing her but as a person Jesy deserves to express herself and her interest in the culture comes from interests as a person. Plus she’s not hurting anyone. Nothing went over my head. I’m just not thinking with my emotions.
@gabby5413 2 жыл бұрын
The "jealousy" is akin to being mad about someone saying the joke you said louder and everyone laughing. 😒 It's crazy how many people choose to miss the point an make you feel weird when everybody knows the feeling jus because it happens to be a black issue.
@lolaalexander695 2 жыл бұрын
Bruv… I’m 4 mins in and SUBSCRIBED because atp I’ll follow you off a cliff. I’ve never seen myself in a person so barefaced before. I can’t wait to see what points of contention we have. I’m ready for the challenge, binging every single thing you make. 💕
@TheAyisyenne 2 жыл бұрын
You know whose voice is truly missing from this conversation? Mixed women. Because are these yties blackfishing or mixedfishing? Because as mediocre as opportunities are for black women in media, when a casting director is looking to hire a Lupita or a Viola, they know exactly who to look for and the impostors could never. So why are mixed women silent about The Unseasoned cosplaying their existence?
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
an interesting point
@brittanytiera3299 2 жыл бұрын
I think it makes them feel good that another race want to look like them lol
@lorelange 2 жыл бұрын
Because they are not frightened by that. Those black fishers could never seriously claim black, by biracial can, black men and and many women accept them as such, for different reasons of course. Even though these biracial cannot go to white communities and claim white, they are still worshiped in blk communities, despite all the anti blk comments they spew.
@Missgsussis 2 жыл бұрын
So you think it's fair to put a societal problem on mixed women? I mean, of course mixed women could add to the conversation. But it's not like them talking about it will fixed the problem.
@lorelange 2 жыл бұрын
@@Missgsussis so much confusion and contradiction in one comment...😒
@erik7647 2 жыл бұрын
I have also felt wildly uneasy with people saying black women are "just jealous." For someone to think a demographic would be just jealous you have to think you are superior in some way for them to be jealous. To make that claim that without any nuance or empathy you are making a claim of supremacy over others in a slightly more subtle way. It just lacks empathy, it's a natural emotion for people to feel. As said in the video most people feel jealous when others are treated better. We need to introspect on why we might be treated better as white people and why thats unfair. Calling someone jealous to put them down simply just says I don't care about your feelings enough to acknowledge what I'm even doing, which is gross. If your going to be tacky and weird by blackfishing just admit that's what your doing, not just ignore other people's feelings and thoughts about it. Or even better just be respectful in the first place but I think we are past the point of hope of people will ever be less entitled.
@nerdgurl402 2 жыл бұрын
Well said
@LaLa_856 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@dejstoney 2 жыл бұрын
“We need to introspect on why we might be treated better as white people and why that’s unfair”. I totally agree. Even bringing up too many trigger words around wypippo in youtube thread comments YT moderators will delete. KZfaq hates any free speech talk around social justice and critical race theory. It’s disgusting how they try to shut minorities up on this app. Smh.
@_prettybrownbrown7729 2 жыл бұрын
I refuse to be jealous of these women because they want to be like me and nobody can convince me otherwise ! If anything I’m more confident around them . Lol tf .
@aliii9777 2 жыл бұрын
You actually make the best videos on KZfaq hands down… I learn so much and am so thankful for your personality and the effort you put into your videos ❤️
@aweatherington1 2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing and nuanced conversation because I think what has been happening on social media from their conversational Standpoint has been VERY surface and superficial but we don’t seem to be getting to the crux of the issue …and you ladies did it beautifully . Thank you for facilitating this
@Me-ss2gq 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve only read the title and yet I already know you did not miss ONCE this entire video
@melodyhaviland9393 2 жыл бұрын
tee NEVER misses
@Nyma6000 2 жыл бұрын
FR shes one of my fav ytbers
@catherinep.2838 2 жыл бұрын
SAME!
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
Except I may have! Watch & lmk
@Me-ss2gq 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeeNoir Just watched the whole thing and I was right!! I love that you included the opinions of other intelligent people so this video really feels like a conversation. You're hands down one of my favorite KZfaqrs and I hope you keep doing what you're doing :) P.S. girl PLEASE give us the Sex Education video. I have THOUGHTS
@Lorena-eh5cl 2 жыл бұрын
100% was jealous of white women when I was younger. Blonde hair, blue eyes, skinny... that’s what everyone desired. I had my Barbies and I wanted to be JUST like my Barbies, and would always complain to my mom about how people didn’t like me as much as the white girls. It really affected me growing up.
@fan5697 2 жыл бұрын
Not all white women skinny, have blonde hair and blue eyes but many
@fan5697 2 жыл бұрын
Not all white women skinny ,have blonde hair and blue eyes but many
@fan5697 2 жыл бұрын
Not all white women skinny ,have blonde hair and blue eyes but many
@fan5697 2 жыл бұрын
Not all white women skinny, have blonde hair and blue eyes
@sixk8333 2 жыл бұрын
@@fan5697 yeah but their still white being white IS the beauty standard now shut up
@alaniso8716 2 жыл бұрын
On the jealousy bit, I felt that! It’s not that I’m jealous of the entire person, it’s that I’m jealous of my people’s traits (you know? The ones that they’ve been made fun of and abused for having) being surgically given to women who have been the beauty standard for a long time and they’re being PRAISED for it as if we weren’t born with them or aren’t a part of our culture. It’s like- of course I’m jealous! You’re taking a feature that we have naturally and gaining clout and fame for claiming it as yours- AND EVERYONE JUST LETS IT HAPPEN 🙃🙃🙃
@cjj3229 2 жыл бұрын
This was such an amazing conversation. I appreciate the nuances. Thank you for the hard work and having the conversation.
@kate-lynnmotloung3985 2 жыл бұрын
"see Nicki...*laughs*" Tee, I felt it
@TeeNoir 2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@jessicascorpio1 2 жыл бұрын
The laugh said it all!!
@emmie1176 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't followed her a lot and don't get it :'( can someone explain?
@cookietough30 2 жыл бұрын
It just the way Nikki is acting you can't help but laugh
@imani0nline 2 жыл бұрын
The outrage or pain that black women feel when seeing yt people benefiting from cosplaying as racially ambiguous, enjoying proximity to blackness however never being able to understand and experience the other side of the systemic issues that allow them to move like that. To reduce black voices feelings to JUST jealousy … imagine how tired we are 😐
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 2 жыл бұрын
I think the pain needs a new word.
@Strangerz-R-Us 2 жыл бұрын
Mutha f-in tired love😖😤
@westley5735 2 жыл бұрын
Love the format! Speaking with other young people about that this is something that we NEED!
@clarence5211 2 жыл бұрын
the part about being jealous of the ease that comes with being white is really insightful! i don’t want to derail but i think that concept is also very applicable to other kinds of marginalization
@kellis9346 2 жыл бұрын
That girl really went from 👩🏼 to 👩🏽
@marytc2714 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@hahaok9972 2 жыл бұрын
I really do think that blackfishing is so profitable because “looking” black or racially ambiguous is what “pop culture” today is. You can LOOK black, you just can’t BE black. If you are, you have to be ✨black✨ I’m so tired of getting asked what I am…. I am black. Not ✨black✨, just black.
@92enpuissance 2 жыл бұрын
I think I see what you mean but can you give me characteristics/examples of ✨black✨ people or women?
@hahaok9972 2 жыл бұрын
@@92enpuissance Now some of this could be because I am lighter skinned with a looser curl pattern, so I may have just been annoyed my entire life because of this 😭😭but I think women who look more racially ambiguous or who are a very light black person are glorified in media today. They all have features that are closer to the European standard of beauty. They often look “mixed” or “exotic,” and normally have a style that is glorified by pop culture. That is why I think white women make money off of looking racially ambiguous, because they ARE the European beauty standard, and they can profit off of that. Especially during the aftermath of the Floyd protests, they find that they can “double dip” so to speak. I hope that answered your question, love ❤️
@evangeliar.7600 2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of black celebrities even more than Asian, or from the Balkans etc..
@lj0727 Жыл бұрын
I was talking about this exact thing with my beautiful friend the other day.. we were talking about the whole "racially ambiguous" thing and how there seems to be soooo many white women trying to look ethnically ambiguous on Instagram lately. Especially like influencers who are using that "aesthetic" to sell shit and make money. And after she says in a jokingly dejected way "well... I'm just plain old black.. nobody is going to pay me for my boring look" and I was like "yep.. black without the benefits" and we started laughing so hard lol she was like that's such a good way to describe it! Haha But it all seriousness there does seem to be a very large increase in the amount of women like this I seen on my for you page. A lot of them you honestly think they are black until you see the comments calling them out. It's so wrong. I don't think it's jealousy at all... I think it's anger and it's completely justifiable.
@tommy_bedward 2 жыл бұрын
Your personality is great for this sort of discussion, really appreciate agreeing and learning from you x
@SJB0919 Жыл бұрын
I needed to hear the part about giving things too much negative attention!! Your channel is such a breath of relief!❤
@EE-hw6cm 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked the conversation about jealousy. It’s interesting that in a world where person A is treated better than person B for arbitrary reasons, person B having any negative feelings about that is actually the evil/offensive/pathetic act. Instead of questioning hierarchies and how our perceptions of “beauty” and “goodness” clouds the way we treat other humans.
@sarahbarabe8470 2 жыл бұрын
I love the way you worded that, and this idea boils my blood.
@cremepuffle 2 жыл бұрын
Muah ik i love having these conversations it’s extremely thought provoking. It’s one of those things that once u see it you cant stop seeing it.
@deemae9188 2 жыл бұрын
You worded this so well.
@dont_harsh_my_mellow 2 жыл бұрын
It stems from how we're told stories and lessons of not being jealous or hurt that someone else has it better and that you should be grateful for what you do have. Like how we get told fairytales of a kind maiden who has an evil sibling and despite being given less quality gifts and given less love and attention she is not ever bitter and doesn't feel offended and oh if you want to be seen as the fair maiden and not the ugly selfish sibling then you'll do good to stop complaining at unfair treatment. And I mean I don't think I've seen anyone talk about the impact of lessons like this and how they shape views and expressions of emotions now.
@dinahmyte3749 2 жыл бұрын
As a mixed woman: Blackfishing directly invalidates my existence and makes it harder for me and people like me to talk about our lives. You don't LOOK Black, you wanna looked MIXED with Black. You want the sexy parts and not the systemic racism, otherism, and constantly justifying your existence in Black and brown spheres. It's exhausting as a brown woman to have people "guess" my race or ethnic background. They're going for a very specific "vibe" of Black and that's what makes it racist. Pretending to be brown adds diversity to their portfolio. They want the rewards and "started from the bottom" class of brownness but none of the historical, generational, and social traumas. Beyond just that, it's weird? IDK. I've never wanted to "look" not mixed. My dad made me and my sibs watch Good Hair the MOMENT my sister wanted to straighten her hair. I saw my white and brown friends "pretend" to be Asian growing up, that was weird too. This fetishization of "other" races is just weird to me, as a mixed race person. BTW, my mom's family isn't just white white, she grew up thinking she had some vague distant "native American princess" ancestor but we're actually mostly Irish, Scandinavian, and German-Eastern European. My grandmother looked Jewish and they blamed "native Americans" for our noses and thick hair. Like... no, we know why our German ancestors showed up between 1911 and 1920... like... it's PRETTY obvious what happened, bruv, and that "I'm 1/299 Cherokee princess" mentality STARTS this wave of Black and brownfishing from a very young age. We literally have pictures of every ancestor we had, because we didn't arrive in America until 1850/60s... My mom's American side is only 4 to 5 generations old. Where is this "Native American Princess" that everyone white person is related too?
@rin6435 2 жыл бұрын
Yes preach !! It seems like white people are always trying to search for some distant race to try and justify their fetishization of other races. I also agree with you that black fishing and colorism can definitely make mixed people feel out of bounds in regards to being black and their issues as well.
@cremepuffle 2 жыл бұрын
THIS im mixed black and white and am white passing and i get sshhhiiiitttt for my race all the time. Ppl love playing guessys w what im mixed with and wanna act surprised or even straight up deny my black side. Men fetishize the heck out of me, especially black men, it’s uncomfortable seeing people wanting to be with another race bc they put my “beauty” on a pedestal. It is demonizing biracial women or atleast women who look like us whether it’s faked or not, as well as making it EVEN more confusing for our racial identities , my skin gets tan in the summer am i blackfishing? I swoop my baby hairs am i blackfishing? How am i supposed to live with my coily hair, thick lips, and tanning skin without feeling guilty or like im reaching to be a black woman?
@Bv3276 2 жыл бұрын
@@cremepuffle 🤦🏽♀️
@shankeduu 2 жыл бұрын
Yep I feel this so hard
@alisathemushroom9923 2 жыл бұрын
I am grateful for the perspectives channels like this give. I would never have heard all of these discussions and learned about all these issues without the internet
@dianabernier3543 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Tee for all your work and all the wonderful people you brought into this video 💖
@sramas757 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the definition for blackfishing as "a racial masquerade that operates as a form of racial fetishism" will attribute to the Leslie Bow and use for any upcoming DEI discussion and/or webinars. Love your channel! Keep up the great work!
@lesbiangoddess290 2 жыл бұрын
Now that is a great definition
@g5g566 2 жыл бұрын
The discussion of jealousy being a neutral emotion was so insightful, I'd never thought of it that way before. Amazing vid as always Tee 👏
@Tabbyomwenga 2 жыл бұрын
Jealousy is a neutral natural feeling..but the way people react as a result of that neutral feeling is what gives it that negative tone..
@denisewest3858 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Jealousy is a natural reaction....but a very negative one. And one that we should not support or encourage. Deadly sin. 😔
@calebk9111 2 жыл бұрын
With that framework, every emotion is neutral. What becomes negative or positive is the way you deal with each instance of feeling emotion.
@denisewest3858 2 жыл бұрын
@What's Kpopping? Err....Yes I did. What is it with people that do not understand others may have a different opinion to theirs. Its WEIRD. 🤷🏽♀️
@calebk9111 2 жыл бұрын
@@denisewest3858 Okay but the video explains how jealousy is only bad if people deal with it in harmful ways. People can deal with jealousy in healthy ways, and that prevents the badness from happening.
@rachelreine 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this conversation. It is incredibly important that we recognize the unfortunate boxes society and its culture seem to place around black women. I found it particularly interesting when you discuss how black women aren't allowed to- or even punished for- their natural emotions and feelings towards certain subjects. Why must we place such burdens on them, and hold them accountable for basic human expressions? It's honestly baffling.