Back in the day I owned a 909. Now I own a Behringer RD-9. The RD-9 sounds like a 909, it has better MIDI implementation and the small buttons don't fall off, but haters gonna hate. I also own a Behringer System 2500. Somebody put one of the wing cases from an ARP 2500 on Reverb today for over $60,000. That's only about 30% of a 2500! We should be thanking Behringer for putting creative tools like these into our hands.

I do mixing with analog gear for a hobby and almost everything I bought is used gear. I simply don’t have the money for expensive equipment. For me it comes to only one thing, if it works it works. I was saving up some money for a bus compressor and an equalizer. These would cost me minimum 2000 bucks. Then Behringer came with the 369 for 500 bucks and I decided to take my chance with it and pre-ordered it straight away. It’s an excellent sounding unit and I liked it so much that I pre-ordered their 1273 also. That one is expected this week and I’m pretty sure I will be happy with it. So now I have a dual pre-amp with eq and a nice compressor for 1140 bucks. If I were to buy the original units it would cost me 6800 bucks, which I would never to be able to afford. So thank you very much Behringer for making these great affordable pieces of gear 👌🏼

I'm New in the synthesizer world and ordered a td 3 and a rd 6. And all i can say is that i have fun making some sounds. Would it be more fun if have bought the original for a lot more money? Possibly not. So im glad that behringer make nice gear for affordable prices😊

Composer, audio engineer here. Personally, I find the hate towards Behringer a bit embarrassing. What gives ANYONE the right to think their views are the most important, therefore, you must not use their gear. Doing so, means you're a sell-out and using inferior equipment. I have been mixing/mastering/recording music for 30years - this isn't a person on this earth who would be able to tell me the difference between a Moog Model D, a reissue Moog Model D, and a Behringer Model D. Just because YOU have a Moog, doesn't mean your music is going to be better. It's not WHAT you use, its who is using it and how it's being used. If you hate Behringer, then don't buy it - but please, enough with the childish rants and hate. Grow up and go make music - not drama.

The problem people usually have with Behringer is not their emulations of the old classics. Nobody really hates Behringer WASP. Electronic Dream Plant doesn't exist anymore. The original hardware is hard to come by and is probably on its last legs anyway, so why not. There is a bit more controversy when they clone something like Model D, since Moog is still around and technically it is their IP and Moog is selling their own version of Model D. But OK, Model D is an old classic, and Moog's version is kind of also a clone. The real problem people have with Behringer is when they take modern gear, especially something from a smaller shop where someone put their blood and tears into this product and then make a clone of it and sell it for half the price. They have their own versions of Maths from Make Noise and many other eurorack modules currently on sale by their respective designers. They made a clone of multiple current Moog synths etc. They are abusing certain loopholes of trademark and copyright law and steal IP from people who deserve to profit from their labors. Thats where the hate comes from.

Nothing. The Guitar, Piano, Violin and everything else gets cloned eventually.

I think your point about the clones beng knowhere near the quality of the originals is a bit daft to be honest.. There synths not rockets... Our electronics components and fabricating processes are light years ahead of the 70s and 80s.. Making a giant calculator that plays some tones is about as basic as it gets for anybody who actually has an electronics degree..

I have zero experience with Beringer clones, but I would argue a clone or a software emulation might even be better than a vintage Moog for example. Early Moogs were notorious for their instability. I’d love to have racks of Moog modules. But I’m happy to use Arturia Modular V on my MacBook. It’s a hell of a lot cheaper and I can use it while traveling and it has patch memory.

The problem with Behringer synth clones is only related to their clones of existing products where they steal the R and D done by other companies doing actual innovation. If they only cloned out of production products that had already run their course then the problem would be the way the company actively intimidates journalists and others is the synth sphere who report on the company's working conditions or business practices. If they just produced inexpensive clones of old sought after gear with some modern tweaks, and otherwise behaved like a "normal" company (all of the companies - at least the larger ones - are going to be sketchy and awful to some degree or other) then they would be an uncontroversial and massively loved synth company.

A lot of hate is more towards Uli himself and his business ethics. He's really shown himself to be a narcissistic prick at the best of times.

i'm pretty sure Moog loves how they clone their recent stuff. Same with arturia keystep. Arturia must be so proud. Using clones like the Jasper to make the basp. They make the people who invented and started it so happy, they should get a medal.

Though there are people out there that hate Behringer for making “knockoffs”, I’ve heard that the working conditions/ lack of pay for the workers making the synths is where the issues lie. I don’t know the validity to these claims but the low costs of the synths would make sense if this is true. Outside of that, I totally agree with this video. Behringer is making synthesizers more accessible and they’re making some cool stuff.

The most important thing its the musician behind the music. I have a couple of Behringers, they sound great, and honestly at least my experience is that they are well made.

Totally agree, it's extremely infurating. Gear snobs and gatekeepers in general suck. And quite honestly some of the Behringer emulations are better than the originals, with more features and even better build quality. The whole shoddy workmanship thing is a myth. There is no way the retailers would stand for it if they were constantly getting returns. Anyway, well said, it is about time more people pushed back on these elitist holier than thou attitudes. Have a great day man.

I'd say the clones are better overall, better built, more stable, have midi/USB etc, just the fact that they are new and not 40-50 years old makes it better in many ways, obviously. People may say they don't sound as good, maybe they do, maybe they don't, it's very difficult to tell actually and that's good enough. And btw, let them be snobs, it doesn't mind me the slightest

Totally agree. If Behringer did anything that crossed a line, I am sure the manufacturer would sue them to bits. But it has not happened. Why? Because they are not doing anything wrong. I have owned 5 Behringer synths (Sold the DM12 to make room for the Juno-X), and have had no issues. Nice gear and it has that nostalgia factor too.

The fact that there was no serious lawsuit against Behringer alone says that we don't know jack about what's going on behind the scenes. It seems like Roland have no problem with Uli cloning their stuff. Also there's a lot of people from Korg, Roland and Arturia currently working at Behringer so there's a lot happening in the dark. Business as usual.

The hate usually comes from weirdos who feel we should all be paying thousands and thousands of dollars just to acquire the ability to have these sounds. In reality, nobody should have to pay thousands just acquire the sounds we want to play with.

i love that they are "cloning" the old unuptainium but i think the problem for many is the clones of current gear. like the Swing is a copy of the arturia Keystep... it's not big, it's not expensive but still a freaking low thing to do, in my opinion. I don't like that... but the rest is fun and/or really good stuff.

People buy things for different reasons. The only thing I'm mad about is Behringer came out with their Poly D synth a year after I bought the model D and extra Artura keyboard. I'd rather have the Poly D.

I would even argue that the "quality" argument is debatable. At least when we're talking mechanically. Pratt-Reed keyboards are notoriously unreliable in my experience and need frequent maintenance. The minimoog that I used to have had a section with pots with plastic shafts. Arp Odysseys are not built particularly well, and have awful cheap sliders. Etc etc. Electronically speaking, it's not an "emulation" as you put it. They've basically cloned the circuitry. It will not sound identical because you can't use the original 70s and 80s parts. But it tends to sound 90% there in my experience. And it should be mentioned that vintage synths don't all sound the same either.

I just bought Behringer K-2. Very nice synth!

I just have to agree. I´ve "restarted" with synths some years ago ... with Behringer "clones" 😉. Why? These instruments were affordable and I wouldn´t loose a lot of money when selling them (as it happened long time ago when selling synths of "well-respected" brands). Does the "clones" sound like the original gear? Maybe not but do two "originals" sound the same? No. A well-known artist compared his two Korg Monopoly synths with the Behringer clone. And the result was that even the Korg synths had different sounds and the Behringer "Monopoly" was, regarding the sound, "in between" the originals. Despite the fact of ridiculous high prizes for the original (vintage) synths there is another reason for a less expensive clone. Do you really want to pay a lot of money for the instrument itself plus spending a lot more for servicing? Currently there is still one Behringer synth in my setup and lives in perfect harmony with other gear of respected (and more expensive) brands. Does my Behringer Odyssey sound like an original ARP Odyssey (which one, Mk I, Mk II or Mk III)? Maybe not but I´ve paid 1/10 of the costs for an ARP ... and nevertheless I like the sound 😇.

The SH-101 sells for nearly 2 k . I owned one new in the early 80’s . Fast forward I bought an MS -1 for 199.00 . Frankly it’s better in every way . I bought 2 more . The UB-Xa I bought for 1199.00 is more playable than my 5,000.00 Voyager Xl which I would sell before the UB-Xa . I’ve ordered an MS-5 and I have an ARP 2600 with all the special modules . I love it all . I’ve already made room and bought the stands for the DS-80 and the Jupiter clones .

I don't deal with synthesizers, but people have ragged on Behringer's other products heavily as well. Specifically (to me), live sound equipment (PA Systems, Amps, speakers, sound boards, etc... Why??

I agree the build quality isn't as good. However sonically, there are numerous videos comparing the sonic reproduction to that of the original. Often times it's identical or close too. Comparison videos that show the freq spectrum and wave shapes and they line up. So I've been happy with some of the clones, most notably the 303 and some of the eurorack stuff.

I would like to tell something diferent... but my vc340 sounds amazing and started malfunctioning in a month...

I have Deepmind 12 and it is an awesome synth. i don't think it is "worse" than its "original"

I love how Behringer put so much time, effort and money behind their clones. The research that went into developing these synths must have taken decades of trial and error. I'm sure all the original companies which built the original synths are ok with this.

Note priority. That's why. No last note priority like every other normal synth has.

seems like people are loosing their minds because of the Dave Smith vs Behringer Lawsuit. Personally i dont care, I own a deepmind12 and i love it. also planning on getting a Behringer 140 for my eurorack

Why all the hate? Good question. I believe all the hate for Beringer stems from their early marketing. Their marketing team targeted certain people and really kind of made Uli look like a villain. There’s also people who are complete diehard vintage synth people “I used to be one“ and would rather spend thousands upon thousands of dollars for vintage synths. Plus, the fact that they say they’re cheap they break down. Behringer is crap. Everything breaks down I’ve had Moog products that I had to send back to the manufacturer because they kept breaking down and those weren’t in a live situation they were in my studio. We have a term called the synth mafia. I believe they are the ones that are behind the ridicule and the hate forBehringer. I’m probably gonna get a lot of crap for what I just said, but I really don’t care. Just like a carpenter we’re giving the tools to build. We are giving tools to create music with whatever tools you choose is up to you. I don’t think it really matters but being able to buy vintage style synthesizers for a small price. I’m all four because years ago I couldn’t afford a $4500 that still cost the same amount of money today and that was back in the 80s. The other thing is people are gonna say well Echo let’s talk about economics, blah blah blah. You can talk economics all you want. The price hasn’t changed since the early 70s as far as I can remember because I was just a lad then so being able to purchase something that sounds just like the real thing for less money sounds like a pretty good deal to me , and then the other thing VST’s Audio units on those clones they’re software versions. Nobody calls them out G-Force software, Arturia… and the list goes on. And again don’t bother following me on my channel. If all you’re gonna do is come back at me and troll me or ridicule me that’s my opinion everybody’s got them. I’ve owned both hardware and software, and I own both hardware and software, and whatever the tools of the trade you use to make music is the most important thing . Peace.

When companies make expensive clones, no one calls them unethical. For instance the Beat Bot clones of the cr-78 and 303 for around $400 are perfectly moral. But when Behringer clones the same thing and sells at $130, now it’s an ethical dilemma. Seems like maybe folks are basing too much personal identity on their expensive gear collection. If everyone can afford the gear they have, how can they be special? Some of Behringer’s practices do cross an ethical line however, like when they started selling fake auratone monitors branded auratone in violation of the real auratone. Something similar happened with Oberheim. And of course their look alike products such as ebtech and arturia clones that are intended to create market confusion

It's not just that people don't have the money, it's that u are buying a 30/40/50 year old piece of gear that most likely needs work or something it's about to brake on it. It might not even sound as good as it did when it was new so no I don't want to overpaid a bunch of money for a 40 year old synth just to say I got one. Thanks to behringer for making some of this stuff for pennies on the dollar.

It's been documented that some, like the model d, are shrunken down modern clones of vintage boards with SMD chips. Many others, however, are complete redesigns utilizing modern ARM processors that really only copy the front panel layout and form factor. They try to emulate the sounds and workflow of vintage units but it's not really fair to call them clones of vintage synths since variability due to aging components renders two identical vintage units to be tonally different.

Bought a Behringer Poly D because, otherwise I would never have been able to play a Minimoog. Also considering their ARP Odyssey clone for the same reason. However, I am buying the new Rev 4 Prophet 5….because I haven’t seen or heard a clone that beats it. Simple really.

As far as the actual clones go, I think the only criticism people tend to have is the lack of thoughtful upgrades that in no way detract from the sound, eg: multitimbrality with separate outs. As far as the _company_ goes though, there's a lot to criticize, eg: harassing journalists, harassing forum users, lying about having support from specific engineers, poor working conditions in their Chinese factories, etc. etc.

Nobody is debating the cloning of vintage synths and vintage synth modules, at least I don't. It's completely fine to me if Behringer creates clones of them. What people are debating is the blatant direct copy rip-off of current synth modules. Behringer can legally do this, because these products have not been trademarked, but they are definitely on the wrong side of ethics. You might want to take a look at a few examples, like the Arturia Keystep vs the Behringer Swing, or the Intellijel Quad VCA vs the Behringer Fourplay. Behringer seems to be taking the approach here to take a look at what is popular, and then copy this. They save on market research (that was taken by the original company) and without much risk they can bring it to the consumer. That's in my opinion unethical, and that is something that they shouldn't do.

My studio now has an 808 drum machine, Minimoog, sh101, dfam, tb303 , and a pro 1. Well, not quite. because I own the Behringer clones and I love them. Not only am I a NHS hospital worker who couldn't afford them otherwise, but I have no interest in owning 40 - 50 year old gear, and the problems that go with it. Also if I played anyone an 80s style Electro track made on that gear, mixed and mastered well, no one is hearing the difference.

I can think of several *actual* issues: Pilfering, Chinese Working Conditions, Lack of Innovation, Whiny Baby Syndrome, Clones (Not) Clones. TLDR: I own exotic synths as well as some behringer gear. One one hand, I can understand one part of the approach by them trying to bring back instruments into new hands at a different price point. However, the issues with Uli and his company are numerous and it has little to do with the purity of some sound. This actually has to do with having principles. Yes - principles. It does matter, and the problem is compounded because they are doing each of these points at scale. 1. They pilfer, whether that's an older instrument, a new instrument, or even a known brand name. See Swing copy the Keystep, The Moog line copies - Crave vs Mother-32, Edge vs. DFAM, Mother-15 vs. Grandmother, then some of the modulars being lifted from indie creators no less, then the attempted claim and misuse of the Oberheim brand ... This is based in a lack of principles and ethics. 2. Working conditions in China. This is certainly not unique to Behringer and it reaches many industry sectors, but the reason you get such a great price is because work conditions and pay in that country is nothing short of atrocious. That has to do with principles, both from them and for you, the buyer. Understand that you're part of the problem if all you can come up with is defending a price. This isn't about being elite either. This is about actually having principles as a consumer and going out of your way to include equity in your calculations for any one purchase. That includes evaluating gear, which in this company's case is often copied from an existing or even a past company with creators who are still with us today. It's really, really important in order to sustain all sort of economies. 3. Behringer's lack of *actual* innovation in new product development. They are so hell bent on copying everything that relatively little, overt creativity comes out of this place. Yes - there are a few wins along the way (DeepMind, some controllers, more? I wouldn't know ...) and yes, once in a while we see a copy with some extended feature. However, I would want to see '2.0' and '3.0' versions of all these classics. Fine - use the old design as your starting point. Now excite me with all those capable brains at work in the designer's division to rethink the original instrument without losing its essence. That's a competitive spirit, not a rip from your industry compatriots. 4. They can't take the heat. Behringer has a 'foot in mouth disease' they can't shake by deriding commentators who are well within their rights to call out their business practices, decisions, and copies. 5. As you say, these aren't really 'clones'. Many of the Behringer products are actually approximations. The misuse of the word 'clone' is as much a fault of the public as it is Behringer's. However, they should do better on this end. Behringer products fall into a range of accuracy so because of this, skinning them with a pilfered look of an original instrument is actually disingenuous. Sometimes the copies sound pretty good. Other times, not so much. As a recent example, look at the KT-369. The transformers play a critical part in the 'sound coloring' of these compressors. There is nothing wrong with the Midas transformers Behringer has in there - that's really cool! - but they ain't Neve AMS transformers either! Knowing that, why skin it like a Neve, right down to the knobs and color scheme? This appearance of an original is actually part of the problem. If we're really going to evaluate cloning, other boutique outfits who make Neve-like copies go right to sources like Carnhill to get that much closer, all at similar price points. The point is, why sell me a Pontiac Fiero with Ferrari body kit on it. Much of the time it's just that. The used prices on some of Behringer gear reflect that too. The original buyers are taking a bath on these supposed clones, which also says something about how the market feels about some of these products.

I dont mind the clones of the older gear, the new copies of say Moog mother 32 and other new synths I am not OK with, that is out right theft. As to the sound they do pretty good, the build quality is pretty good, but not as sturdy. I also feel they get a bad rap because of other Chinese companies that make rip off devices and try to pass them off as the real deal, like drill batteries on amazon.

Look at Arturia. They clone synths and they make new stuff. I've bought a Keylab 49 and a Drumbrute Impact. The Keylab came with Analog Lab software VSTs of famous synths. Why doesn't anyone have a problem with Arturia?

There are a lot of people who disagree with Behringer's business practices and such. Most of these people probably would be shocked at the behaviors of the people and businesses behind products that they purchase and use daily in their lives.

Thumbs up for Behringer.👍👍

they are cloning current, in-productuon synths too. (all of the first three moog sound studio modules) not just old synths.

Behringer is the Robin Hood of the synth world lol

Many people have already answered your question in rather old videos!! Research is what you need, bro!

Hate?? I love Behringer !

Circuits are just circuits. There's no magic; there's no particular reason a Behringer clone can't sound as good as the original circuit being cloned, especially when they have Coolaudio to recreate chips that are out of production.

The only issues I see are those with buying Chinese products generally - I try to avoid where I can if I can. That said, I have a quite a few Behringer clones, as there's no way I'd otherwise be bothered to buy originals. My favourite has got to be the ARP 2600 clone. Anyone who makes such a claim as it's not the same or other snobby stuff is talking pure shit. Sure, you can compare the roginal side by side and find differences, but that's not a fair review for a very simple reason. For one, people like myself who'd never be able to get an original (or care to), and the other basic fact being that in a mix you can't tell the difference anyway. Music always has had it's snobs, so like with any critical thinking ask them to prove their claims. If they can't fuck them off.

You can get by with a blow-up doll but the real thing is always better.

You missed the point that the "hate" is about cloning products that are still in production, putting the original manufacturer out of businesses. Then Behinger (Music Tribe) will often swoop in and buy the company like they did with Midas after cloning their 32 channel digital mixer.

Vintage gear is extremely expensive, hard to keep alive and difficult to integrate in a modern setup. I am extremely glad to have the options from Behringer that are close enough to the original gear and have decent quality. Long story short, I totally disagree with your arguments. There is nothing wrong with synth clones and those ones who want to own the originals, please go ahead, nobody stops you.

Behringer are creating a whole new generation of hardware users. Most hardware users soon expand their kit. Everyone wins.

behringer synth sounds not bad .

Great video all facts. Synth Mafia cant stop the Behringer Train 🚂 choo choo

A company like “Mowg”(spelled MOOG ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) -their handcrafted model of manufacturing is as quaint and unique as it is unsustainable considering the evolution, availability and affordability of the parts that make up these machines. There’s a place for what Moog does, even if their market has shrunk. If Moog wants be the Mercedes of synths, don’t pitch a bitch when Hyundai’s is selling better. Some of just need to get from A to B without caring who’s looking and admiring the emblem on our hoods.

The hate comes from the idiots that paid too much for their synths.

I think a lot of the hate comes down to personal moral/ethical opinions, and simply what you feel good about supporting. For years Behringer ripped off existing designs and manufactured them for less cost, often with lower quality. They eventually improved their QC, but there is a reason Behringer gets hate, and it did not originate from "synth snobs". They still directly rip off other companies with products currently in production just because they can. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth so I choose not to support. Let's not forget that Behringer is a massive company and can manufacture things at much lower cost compared to even big name brands such as Moog or Sequential. I personally find it lazy, and uninspired, but I understand many people simply want "the thing" at the lowest price possible. The DeepMind was Behringer done right.

I’d buy a behringer clone tomorrow if they weren’t run by a bunch of anti semitic bullies. Clones are fine in principle but when a company that bullies journalists who review them poorly and reach for anti semitic and anti lgbt tropes in their bullying makes copies, I fully understand the antipathy for the copying. It has the stink of the associated bigotry.

I guess that one reason for the hate might be Behringers reputation. In my personal experience, Behringer is somewhat of a hit-and-miss kind of brand. I never owned a (cloned) synth from them so no experience there, but I have worked with other Behringer gear. E.g. I owned a Behringer mixer (an obvious Pioneer DJ clone) and it was horrible. Bad build quality and it sounded even worse.. like.. way worse. On the other hand, I own quite a few Behringer rack modules (EQ's, DSP's etc.) and they are mostly fine. Sure, there will be better stuff out there, but for the price, these are awesome. My guess would be that bad and mixed experiences will render some hate. And sure, gear snobs (as well as people that prefer to stick to "the real deal'") simply can never appreciate brands like these.

The issue people have with Behringer is split between camps. Some think they just steal names for marketing...which is true. Some say they have no real engineering skill for originality...I disagree if you look at the the neutron & some other synths that sound great. Others expect it to sound like the originals...which it never will. Even the originals sound different from one synth to another. You have to take them for what they are, not the name & packaging they choose to sell it in. Will a Poly D sound as good as a real minimoog? No...anyone that says otherwise is lying. Will it come within 80% where a skilled person can make it sound great in a mix, regardless...absofrigginlutely. They sound great if you don't compare them..that's usually where people go wrong. If you take the packaging as a homage & direction, if you understand it's a marketing tactic as well, then you won'[t be disappointed...especially hen you can buy 9-10 Poly D's for the price of 1 minimoog. Some people do need to be reminded as thaey do not understand what is common sense to some of us. No shade meant there. The last camp is the camp that says Behringer have horrible business practices, are predatory & just a garbage company when it comes to ethics...I agree. This has been proven time & time again. With that said, I have a Pro-800, Monopoly, Poly D, & Wasp..Do I feel guilty about supporting a crappy unethical company? sure... Enough to not buy their gear...no...like most we cannot afford the real thing & are skilled enough to do great with these...so we buy them.

facts

They are less expensive synths…you get what you pay for…you can do all this on a computer…come on dudes. The technology has moved on and you haven’t…yeesh

What's "wrong" with it? They're cheap knockoffs of the originals and they don't compensate the original creators of these synths. Behringer as a company is just a bunch of cloners.

I don’t like Behringer and never will. Simple as that.

Sorry, but my personal feeling is that you try to look at it in the best possible light: - Strawmen arguments - yes being snobby or not accepting to the users is BS - Next Strawmen - people aren't unhappy with Behringer making cheap synth and they are not the first to do it - A CEO frequently lying and punching down smaller companys or even individuals, rubs people the wrong way. This does not only happen to Uli, it happens to Elon too for example. - When small companys are innovative and big companys just copy the thing, while the original is still sold and often for a fair price, it can be problematic for the innovation of the industry. - Behringer could copy only synth that aren't available any and others wise create innovative products. Would IMHO be better for all synth users - QA is abysmal and many people had bad experiences with users Yes, people who are assholes towards users are, well.. assholes, but that is a very small minority.

Another Behringer channel, another "don't recommend channel"

Only if you have a ten thousand dollar interface computer that can handle hard abuse by vst would you hate. But, it means you play clone clown sounds so copy Carrie that your singing is meows that drive ears to shut down in a minute over your cloned sounds. I can see decent stuff with new sounds helpful to music.

This {AI) bullshit. Wasted 15mins of my iife.

I hate companies that blatantly rip off other companies' products especially when they're still being sold in the market, and undercut hardworking... wait - is that a VCS3 clone? Never mind...

Erm… You do know the Behringer synths are not “emulations” right? You surely didn’t make an entire video believing that their synths are merely “emulations” and thus completely missed why some people have objections against Behringer?

It’s not so much behringer it’s Uli or whatever his name is. They say he’s a dick

A lot of dummies in this world... like hating on a company that is saving you £1000s in your pocket and bringing you "as near as dam it" gear with extra features! ... unless you're a "Collector" ... ??? ... well... you know the rest! I just got their Poly D... fkin Awsome! Thank you Behringer... don't ever stop doing what you're doing... You know you've got it right when the butt hurt purists... start crying and running to mummy! 🤡

What Beringer do is cald Stealing, Plagiating, or Cheeting. They robb those who have used lots of recorses to developing something, and then, when they make something great, Beringer come and copying it, and steal the market without ever bringing an original idea to the market. It's like if someone make a successful song that become a hit, but Beringer make a copy and flod the market with their cheep copy. Never creating anything them self, and take the money for other peoples work. If you think what Beringer is doing is OK, then expext no-one to put alot of work and recources to create anything new in the future. Then maybe in the future, the only thing Beringer can do is to copying ther own old models, cause they are unable to come up with anything reuly new on their own.

The Ms-1 is as good or better than the SH-101.