McDavid was too young to be a captain when they gave it to him. Hes expected to be everything just because of his talent..weve always needed a leader

Vancouver looked Hopeless !!!!!!!! Look at the turnaround in Vancouver , everyone there had ZERO CONFIDENCE , WHAT A TURNAROUND VAN HAD !!! Oilers Need Change !!!! Covid, injuries, Goaltending !!!! 2 Best players in the game , 97 & 29 , Hateeeeeeee Losing, he isn’t broken, he isn’t into words, he was expecting, hoping for Change, for a Win !!!!

The Oilers's problems have been almost completely in net. They have top 6 offense more than covered with Draisaitl, McDavid, RNH, Puljujarvi, and Hyman. They need slightly more depth (Yamamoto, Foegele, and Kassian have all been 3rd line level, but the last few players in the lineup have been completely invisible). Defense is weak, but definitely is on a extremely low point right now and can play much better (Nurse and Bouchard are studs, Ceci and Keith have been passable, but everything else is mediocre so when anyone goes down the entire defense is in shambles). Their best goalie is a rookie who is playing as expected, and their two elder statesmen have been basically throwing games on completely savable shots. This in reality has just been a major blow to their confidence which is preventing them from keeping pace (because on some level they think they're bound to lose) with other teams. Unfortunately the wealth of prospects the Oilers had in years past have either grown up and have already made the league (Skinner, McLeod, Bouchard, Yamamoto, etc...), or just aren't really eligible to play right now (Broberg and Holloway). I would be seriously questioning Holland's choice to trade the pick that could have been their goalie of the future in Wallstedt for Bourgault though...

Totally agree; one of their main two has to get traded to move on and add part of their better prospects to get what they need

Thanks Jessie for standing up for the avs!

Wow, less than two years after this was published, and you could almost use this piece word for word.

Really good teams win with a Zamboni driver from the opposition in net

What I'm see is.. John Tortorella are partially right about what he said about McD and Oilers just about 2 months ago.

the dangle rant at the end is perfect lmao

Would it kill the oilers to get some goaltending? Give up a future first, second, prospects, whatever u got to do to get a goalie while McDavid is still there. Shame to see his career go this direction

“Will the coaching change do anything?” 🥶🥶🥶

How much of the 16-5-0 start was a PP that was hovering around 50%? I don't think they're as bad as the 2-10-2 they've gone since being 16-5, but the 16-5 was inflated by an unsustainable powerplay

The Oilers have 38 points with 5 games in hand on Vegas who leads the Division with 48 points. So the Division is wide open. Make a few trades and make the Playoffs.

@Steve you forgot to mention you've seen wins with Zomboni Drivers who work for the losing team 🤣

Hey guys can you add the time stamp of this conversation in the original podcast. Sometimes I like to go back to the original and listen again

JAY woodcroft

i think after a certain amount of losses, and a pattern of not being consistent, it starts to become a psycological mental thing, if the whole team believes that theres a problem with the team, the next time they get on the ice, their mental isnt in the game, their not thinking about winning, they're thinking about how they will lose this time, and knowing deep down that their chances of losing is alot higher than winning

Remember when oilers fans claimed nurse was a top 10 dman LOL

To Jessie's 3 options for Ken Holland, firing the coach is always the path of least resistance.

Despite hiring a defensive minded coach, Oilers refuse to change their game to add more defensive responsibility. The stretch pass/run and gun approach not working, lawsy recipe for playoffs. It was shocking they made no move to improve goaltending last summer. The D core sucks, maybe worse than last year. Firing Tippett will solve nothing.

The Oilers have Koskinen and 39 year old Mike Smith, them not making the playoffs was always possible

The Oilers winning so many Stanley Cups with a team of HOF'ers was total lightning in a bottle. Outside of Gretzky, you have to admit it was pretty ridiculous how the rest of the top guys panned out to be HOF caliber on one team. The Edmonton fans are spoiled, they got too much success so early in their NHL infancy that we assume it's the standard where as you have teams slog away for decades to be just competitive enough to be a legitimate NHL Caliber team. I think McDavid is the most skilled player I have ever seen play the game....but if Crosby can make all his linemates amazing (who ever plays with him) and the Oilers can't find a soul besides Leon.....is it just poor management or is it that McDavid is so good that nobody can ever play with him in his prime? Edmonton might just need to come to grips that, they might never win another cup like that lightening in a bottle they got from the 83-84 Greatest NHL Team ever and forward. I mean, look the Rangers won the 94 cup with 7 ex Oiler Stanley Cup champs on the roster.

Hell, the Hamburgler got the Sens in an improbable playoff berth. Condon held the fort for Anderson for the cinderella run. Goalies is not the only issue.

Why are the boys shocked?....the Oilers aside from a few nites; have no depth scoring....So WHY is it shocking that they are trickle into the playoffs kinda team; or miss the post season altogether??

What about the Draisaitl presser, wow

No depth. No goaltending.

Sounds like the management staff needs to be blown up. Coach has to play with the players he's given. Connor needs to see something change with the players he gets to captain. I'm sure it's not easy but if the GM and his scouting recommendations for NHL players to trade for or sign are giving this result, that's where the cull needs to happen. If Connor sees that a new group is making a different style of moves, he might give them a year or two grace, or he's gone.

Edmonton Oliers need to call up Alex Stalock to play as starter and see how well he can play starter role, he's making $1.7 million

Wow.!! Connor is totally dejected. Can you imagine how he must feel right now, he's used to winning games, is the captain of a hugely popular team and is used to receiving heaps of positive press. This situation has to be so demoralizing for him because it appears to be a no fix problem at the moment. I'm not an Oilers fan but in saying that I do feel empathy for Connor and the team... maybe it's time he moved on...

Or last years Canadians if Edmonton figures it out I think they are like that Habs last year where they go on a long run

Oil fan. This was absolutely bang on.

They misjudged their team because they played in a limited Canadian div last year. From what I've seen the D is average and wingers stand around in the defensive zone waiting for a pass

McDavid is getting desperate, that's why he's reacting this strangely and, almost, detached. He's been the best player in the league, talent-wise, since his rookie season pretty much, he's had some unbelievable seasons already by age 25 & the Oilers have won jackshit with him & another top-5-to-7 player in the league in Draisaitl. 1 playoff series, that's it. And the issues with the team are not getting fixed, in fact, they're getting worse by the day. It's simple: if the Oilers had won a couple more playoff series by now, or if they weren't in such a desperate tailspin right now (they've won 3 of their last 15 games), you think McDavid would be acting like this & would be so desperate, as to flippantly dismiss whatever concerns people have about someone like Evander Kane, just because he's a talented hockey player??

It's like the Vancouver Canucks moved East?

..MacDavid gets $ 150,000 a game..most people will not make that in a year....1 point in 3 games....$ 450,000 per point is way unacceptable....

Ken Holland may be too accustomed to winning cups without much goaltending. But you don't have the best 200 foot 1-2-3 center punch of all time and nick Lidstrom playing 27 minutes a night.

C-MAC grew up watching his team lose only to be drafted by a team who continues to lose. The Irony is too much.

The Oilers have been overrated for years, and yet year after year people fall for it and call them contenders. There has not been a single season where Edmonton has looked like a contender to me, because they refuse to address their actual problems.

McDavid needs to go if he wants to win anything.

Jay Woodcroft. I agree, Oilers defence is weak. Nurses contract extension will hurt this team, he isn’t a $9mil + dman. 3rd and 4th line centre also hasn’t been very good. Ryan doesn’t bring much, MacLeod is still developing(?), he isn’t much of a playmaker. The team as a whole lacks grit.

2015 then should have got 2 def right after mcdavid....dunn and carlo with their 2nd 1st and their 2nd rd pic....and they could have taken raanta at goal from the hawks for taking bickell's contract and the next yr either gotten another dm or got tkachuk ....they would have been set

Them struggling to figure out Jay woodcrofts first name lol

To the point about the goalies win… yeah you’re right. Carolina won with a 48 year old Zamboni driver from the leafs. 😂😂😂 sorry, had to.

It’s Jay Woodcroft

Dave Tippett is unable to get McDavid to play defense.

This is cring worthy to see a generational talent unable to lead his team through adversity. The word generational is simply a title bestowed upon a player who demonstrates the qualities that not only make other players around him better but inspires his team to follow his lead. Connor is missing out on so many opportunities to push forward. It's frustrating to see the squandering of such talent and the potential to raise his status among the greatest generational talents of our time.

I love the comment of the saying are the 30th place team therefore there is something wrong with losing to them (Ottawa). It's not like they had a crap November because half their roster were Belleville call ups and they did not have Batherson, Norris, Zub or Connor Brown for large parts of that run... Which explains the poor record they have. You know that Drake Batherson you all creamed over an episode ago. The Sens are not a bad team considering they spanked Calgary a couple nights prior. If you actually looked at Ottawa's past 10 game record it's fairly decent. That and during that stretch they beat Tampa and Carolina... So they must have had something wrong with them as well. As for Edmonton they have looked awful for a 10+ game stretch and that has been with McDavid and Draisaitl.

How many times will McDavid have a new coach. Revolving door there with coaches

I’m a oilers fan and I know for a fact that my immediate circle of friend and we are all hardcore season ticket holders would leave the team with mcdavid to be fans of any team he’s traded to and we would be pissed if draisaitl is traded

Good teams.....who said they're a good team Steve? I'm not trying to be mean here, but they are an all offence team. If this team had Darian Hatcher and Chris Pronger, would that help. Of course it would. Would Dominic Hasek help? Of course. But they won't trade one of their superstars, and Holland is bound by his words, when he said he won't trade picks and prospects. They could offer up a first rounder for Sorokin, or another good goalie, but he said he won't trade picks.

Mike Smith that's why!

Simple answer. Poor drafting, contracts,lack of depth and team defense

"Who could have seen this decline coming?" Oilers Fan: Uhh. Me...

Tor hasent gotten further with matthews, tavares , marner then EDM but i dont hear matthews should leave… but every year you guys say ah well when is connor want to leave😂 Its a joke lmao connor is not gonna leave so shut up about it

I think Mcdavid and Leon both cant stand the pressers..... they dont like the environment or the reporters... I see it every conference even when they win they roll their eyes at these guys... apathy is about right.

Jay Woodcroft....

Love your channel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But STEVE DANGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IS THE FULL PACKAGE :)

I'll tell you what's wrong with the Oilers it's because Drai, Nuge, Nurse and Hyman don't have a contract of 8 years 11 million per year!!! Book it!!!

McDavid looks miserable, he’s counting the days on his contract as is Draisaitl I am sure at this point.

Pandemic = flat cap Flat cap = bridge deals I don’t like Ken Holland either but he and all other GM’s might deserve some slack for making less than ideal signings in the past couple off seasons.

I think it's important to note that Ethan Bear AND Adam Larsson wanted to move on from Edmonton for personal reasons. Of course you'd prefer them over Tyson Barrie and Cody Ceci but you can't force players to stay if they want to leave. I hope I'm proven wrong about this but re-signing Mike Smith and trading for Duncan Keith at full price might be what sets them back. The Oilers would still have close to $8M in cap space without them on the team. I have a hard time believing with that much money saved up, no other available goalie wouldn't at least consider Edmonton and want to be the guy that helps McDavid and Draisaitl compete for a Cup. Even if you have to play an unproven prospect or two on defense, a good enough goalie will mask that issue. As for secondary scoring, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins should be the 3C when he comes back from his injury. Dave Tippett never entertains this for a consistent amount of games, but it would solve some of their bottom six issues.

When you spend $40 million on 4 players the rest of the team is going to be weak. Just like Toronto

Yet Barrie led the league in points last year after his bad run in Toronto, so there goes that theory of what they do in one town they will do in another , Ceci has been pretty good in Edm , Koskinen has had many issues, Covid n injuries have hit them hard !! Hard enough now that they have lost confidence and are fragile……they need changes…..

What's going on? The oilers suck and have for years. McDavid has no help and can't win it alone. He needs to leave or they have to completely rebuild. Either way, McDavid won't be getting a cup anytime soon.

the Oilers need Chycrun. Its been worse in edm (believe it or not) its just the recency bias of their losing streak. Objectively, theyve been an above .500playoff team since 2019. Itll turn around, it isnt that bad. Only if it continues, will it be a topic of conv

If the Oilers tank. They should not get a high draft pick!!! It’s ridiculous!!! Like to see McDavid go elsewhere. To a winning culture.

The Edmonton Oilers need a pizza box

McDavid to Tampa

Perhaps the big answer is that no player should make over 8.5 mil and the league can't support 32 teams.. the quality of players is really broad..

Steve, Bakersfield isn't even that good lol

aaaaaaannnnnnnnd we lost to the panthers 6-0

Good teams win with the zamboni driver of the home team! ;-)

Great point on ceci and barrie they sucked in toronto and they continue to suck

jay woodcraft...he has been around forever...do hour homework guys

They can't defend

These Van guys are so cocky , they were just a little different when the Nucks couldn’t Buyyyyy A Winnnnnnnnn, pre Bruce !!!!!!! How soon we forget, fragile league, things can change fast, I have nothing against the Nucks, live there part-time….

Thibault could have been much better in QC than he was in Montreal because it was the pressure cooker of following Roy that ruined him. That doesn't happen in QC.

Koskinen is very bad though, his glove hand is so bad you could score with a beach 🏀

So trade McDavid, wow the return would have to be a 1c, 3 number 1 picks a good prospect and an average prospect?

McDavid sucks as captain. Edmonton should trade him. Get a $5m goalie and an $8m forward to play with Draistl. Even if it didn't pan out. Who cares? 10-5 is better without McDavid, than 2-13 with him.

He is definitely broken!

Mcregularseason

No offense but my man is garbage your boy conner. Crosby doesn't try to lead the league in points, he tries to lead the pittsburgh penguins...... a leader! Edmonton needs a change top down, coach and players.

HAHA so many Oilers haters looking ridiculous now.

How do these guys get views on a podcast. Zero hockey sense. Just read already written articles and review stats.

marner plus for mcdavid letsgoooooo

McDavid to WSH, lets go

Trade McDavid!

Lol you guys think McDavid is going somewhere because he is frustrated? Everyone gets frustrated at times. He's not going anywhere boys. Ovechkin didn't win his cup for 16 years. Remember that!

If you want a good argument on the AHL, the Tampa affiliate had a LOT of their core members wrecking other teams at the AHL before moving up. Oilers have had bad AHL teams and have underfunded them for years.

The oilers problem is their overall identity. They try to play like a high skill, run n gun team, when they've only got 2 forwards that land in the high skill category. They need to focus on team defense and stopping the other team with all 5 guys on the ice, not just the guy in net. McDavid is the best (offensive) player in the league, but he is booty cheeks defensively. Go watch the leafs game in edmonton back in December, and watch the defense that McDavid provided on a rush to the net by Rielly. That's a pathetic display for even a 4th liner or a rookie, let alone your captain, highest paid player in the league, and supposed "best player in the league". If you look at all around play, there are a handful of centres in the league that come in above McDavid. Draisaitl being one of them, but even his defensive game has fallen off as of late. Until those 2 guys buy in and lead the team, they're going to suffer this terrible hockey.

Why would they be so shocked? They have had Connor,& Drasaitil for years,& been underachievers for years... except 1 season they made the 2nd round. You guys just over rate them,& fall for it every season,as Adam so deftly pointed out. I didn't have them missing the playoffs,but I don't fall for it...know they aren't remotely good enough to be a legit contender.

Short answer.... McDavid is the ultimate complainer....he doesn't act like a captain at all. He may be the most talented...but I question his "leadership". His CONSTANT bad body language can't possibly help the morale in the room. Sometimes it's not always JUST the coaching and management

Oilers gonna win the first overall for the 20th straight time

They do this to the Canucks AND the Leafs and it's the WORST lol just stop ⛔

Poor goaltending (in terms of player quality and what they could’ve had instead) and lack of forward depth. 100% of Blame on GM. Atrocious offseason leading up to this mess.

Holland's body of work has been putrid, end of story!

Longest non-intelligent conversation from these guys ever. No serious commentary, just goofing off the whole time. They talk about Edmonton 3-4x a year and this is what we get for commentary? Go back to the Leafs and just stick with them. Btw this is not criticism for saying negative stuff, it's criticism for saying nearly nothing and adding so little value to the discourse. Boring.... I was excited to see the Oilers mentioned and really was hoping to hear more valuable discourse other than what's their AHL affiliate coach's name.

Adam has no clue...Jesse no clue...this podcast is so boring...only SD worth listening too. Jesse has no clue of how things work and Adam is only about Adam

Good teams are built with at least one elite d-man, a solid top 4 defense, and strong goaltending. The forward group comes second. The oilers have been flawed since the years they drafted hall and RNH. And it's been status quo ever since, even with McJesus. It's depressing.