Cmon Jackie, you don’t understand why people were mad at KD for going to GS in 2016. The thunder just blew a 3-1 lead to them in the WCF! It was about joining the guys who had just beat them and the almost disrespect to competition. Plus as fans we all knew that the competition in the league was gone too because the warriors were a shoe in to win the first 2 years. Like know one questioned that

Bill Simmons is mad sports journalists, like him, no longer get the last word. As for Durant and Green, it's mighty convenient for them to blame the bosses for the blowup.

First Players replace GM’s, now they Knock of the “real media”? I’m here for it.

I do think it's funny that Bill as going to cry about KD/Draymond sharing their thoughts about THEIR fight. Pushing the agenda that the only people that you should trust is a sports writer. As if sports writers aren't biased. Bill/Jackie for instance are Boston biased on anything they ever discuss.

fun interviews between players, but it's crazy how many people just buy their spin as truth without any pushback or questions.

Bill in his feelings as usual 🤣🤣 love it

As a clueless English basketball fan I love this lady and wish sports had more like her

Something they didn't discuss was that Draymond went on Woj's podcast with Bob Meyers in October 2019 AFTER KD left. Woj tweeted part of the podcast last week that discussed this incident and Draymond said he was upset the Warriors took KD's side, but he ultimately accepted that he was at fault and he literally said "What they did was actually the right thing. Do I think it could have been handled better? I think there were other ways to handle it, but nonetheless, something had to happen and that's just kind of where I stand with it today".

As much as I enjoyed this pod with Jackie, I really wish they had also discussed KD taking shots at Jackie last month for what she said at the time on Bill's pod. It was sort of a big deal at the time and I've never heard her take on the whole matter.

Athletes are trying to eliminate the media. And replace it with something they control .Very calculated and I wanna see how it plays out.

Bill, why is the Isiah-Magic interview ridiculous? And the Kobe-Shaq one? Does everything and everyone outside of the vaunted Green just seem like farce to them? I ask, honestly, as a fan very much interested in Bill's work and versed in the history of the game. All respect to him and Jackie, it just comes across as Boston homerism. It really can be easily reduced to that, and they're doing themselves a disfavor by always seemingly opposing non-Boston entities that just so happen to be former rivals.

i love Jackie but if you do not understand why going to the team that just defeated you is denial. tbf.

These two are just so much anti LeBron that they have the face to say in 2021 that they approve kd joining the warriors but still have beef with the decision. Is just laughable

this is a pretty funny situation on all fronts with KD and draymond blaming everyone but themselves for something that only involved them and was caused by them and then bill simmons and Jackie who have been staples in the nba media lanscape clearly being bothered how the players are now controlling the narrative of their OWN stories. It really shows the BS on both sides.

Love you Jackie! I want Jackie Mac at full power like this from now on. She's free from Disney now TG. Great stories on the POD. She seems Irish to me. Greetings from Ireland BTW

Didn't anyone hear Draymond tell KD I thought you had already made up your mind to leave after year 2 and the only reason you came back for year 3 was for the chance to 3 peat because of how rare that is. And Durant did not disagree with that statement. KDs mind was already made up.

Revisionist history is the problem. Dray/KD are trying to look less petty and bitchy (which ironically proves how petty and bitchy they both are). Blaming Kerr/Myers/GSW is a smokescreen. You're always going to hear individuals spin themselves to look as good as possible.

The media left the door open for athletes to start taking the narrative into their own hands because let’s be honest, objective journalism went out of style, what a decade ago? It’s up to the consumer to decipher now, which is how it should be. For better or worse.

I feel like this is the future of sports journalism and interviews. The Only thing I didn’t like was Draymond blaming the warriors mgmt for what happened, but he definitely has a great future in broadcasting when he retires

People are not upset because KD left OKC. However people have a problem when you sign with the team that just beat you in 7 games in the WCF that just won the most regular season games of all time. People hate a front runner.

I find it hilarious how they’re complaining about the players telling their own stories.

Player perspective is so interesting Balance is needed with all reporting

Draymond & KD’s interview had over 1 million views within 2 hours of being uploaded…That’s what scares Bill & others the most. The rest is just a facade masking the fear of competition.

So it's better to talk to the people around the issue versus the actual people involved lol that is why the NBA has the worst media group out of the 4 major sports.

It's weird that they're doing this while they're still playing. Draymond is still on the Warriors. It'd be different if they were retired or playing on different teams, but for Draymond to be on their roster and openly just shitting on his coach and management is so ridiculous. Never really seen a player do that openly unless they're wanting out or something insane has happened between them. Draymond's at all for it, yet he's fine with saying they fucked it up. I don't know how that impacts them going forward but I wouldn't be cool if I coached a player and he said that.

Journalist in 90's-2010's: Guys need to speak up and speak out Journalists 2011-2021 Guys need to stop putting me out of work

Traditional journalists are petrified that their jobs are in jeopardy lol

You know somebody's bullshitting when they say "KD could have signed anywhere he wanted! I don't get why people were upset." Nobody was upset at the literal rules of free agency. We KNOW he could sign where he wanted. People took issue with WHY he signed with the team that just ousted him from the Conference Finals. A team that was already stacked and just came off a championship with 73 wins and the two time MVP.

I think Jackie hit the nail on the head in the last minute of the podcast when she mentioned everyone has their own views/thoughts on the matter. Journalists interpreted one way and the players their way.

The self-importance these "reporters" put on incidents like this and sports, in general, is so weird. None of this matters. it's only entertainment people!

Imagine Bill Simmons talking about the principles of story and being objective

I’m always excited to see Jackie Mac on an interview with Bill. I really hope she keeps coming on regularly for the foreseeable future. She’s still the best female NBA reporter today in my opinion.

Jackie is just amazing. Her point on the the relationship between players cant be compared to what it is with coaches and GMSs is spot on

And this is the reason why players need to do this more. Instead of you all believing it from the horses mouth you make up your own truth of allot rumors. . This is why players won't do interviews with you guys anymore. Reporters are lying every day. So why should be ever believe the crap you guys say

Jackie is clearly missing the point, nobody said it was a crime for KD to join the Warriors. People were upset that he joined a 73-9 team that beat him in the WCF because it essentially made the regular season meaningless barring injury because nobody was beating that team. I'm a KD fan and I didn't mind the move to the Warriors but people have to stop acting like they don't know why people were upset about it.

The control of narratives is slowly shifting the other way and some are bothered by that…

The Warriors front office didn’t try and get Draymond and KD to sit down and work it out. They wanted and asked Draymond to apologize, not to try and talk it out. The blame can’t be completely on Steve Kerr and Bob Myers but there’s no doubt they fucked up this situation more than once.

bill decided to take another 3 day vacation- 30 minutes on why hawaii is nice, and 1hr of jackie mac.

what those two need to understand that people settling on their own time can really take a long time.

The 2 people involved tell people what happened and bill won’t have it. Kind of explains why players would rather avoid the media

8:55 sooo true they should have talked about the tension

I love Simmons in this. He called the players out in there bs. Jackie I love you and secretly find you hot, but I disagree with everything you've said here. KD was on the better team in OKC. If KD stayed they would've been the favorite. He left bc he didn't want to compete. PERIODT

We Warriors fans have no beef about Durant leaving. We understand and appreciate that he sacrificed his body to try to win another championship for us. There has been talk about having a KD statue outside of Chase Center after he retires, no one is surprised by that or is against that honor. I am a big warriors fan and am in touch with the mood of the fan base. We appreciate the time KD was with the Warriors.

What’s truly troubling is that with enough social media followers/favor you don’t need to be accountable.

Jackie is so wise.

This is a great perspective

Spot on.

Bill Simmons went MIA for a month

The real reason is KD beat LeBron in the Finals and media and people on social media were still giving him shit for joining a 73-win Warriors team. KD is maybe the most effected by this as any superstar ever. Everything kind of fell apart from there as this reality set in for KD.

They blamed myers for stepping in, they blamed steve kerr for not stepping in.

Bill is back!

The problem is the players are a reflection of the population that completely lost trust in the media, since these journalists tend to be too sensationalists and always taking the side of their sources, so if the team leaks something to make the player looks bad they completely buy into that and viceversa since they don't want to lose access and the chance to break future stories. At least the players have only their image to protect but everybody can make up their own mind without being influenced by biased reports

Should have kept that interview until they retire and release a documentary on the warriors instead of throwing draymonds coach under the bus while he plays for them

this is gossip not journalism

RE the elephant in the room (9mins)... I really agree BUT Dray DID try (briefly) he said something like "it seemed like you were just there to try to follow through and three-peat that year" and durant was like "nah, i was fine and happy, i was living in the moment".... so really he just refused to touch it.

Forget everything else, this woman really questioned why people were upset that KD left OKC to join the 73-9 team that he choked a 3-1 lead to in the 2016 Western Conference Finals.

They just don't give a f*ck. Never have, never will

"I dont get why people got mad at KD, he was a free agent" blah blah blah.....cause fans like competition, we like to see players go at each other, not joining forces!!!

Wait it’s an issue when the players tell their version, you know the people actually there, as opposed to the media who have a vested interest in getting clicks and blowing things outta proportion? Draymond and KD at this point have no incentive to lie or diminish it lol. It was 3 years ago. They’re friends and have moved passed it. Now I get it in the moment why their version of events will be skewed but now? Nah I’m believing them.

I'm gonna really miss the balance and insight that Jackie provides...one of my favourites - pushes back when she doesn't fully agree, adds new information and new insight. Invaluable.

Would be interested to see Wade, Bosh, and LeBron sit down like this. So many parallels from this and the 2014 finals and 2009 Playoffs where James takes a step back. Discuss!

I do agree with Jackie Mac to a certain degree… sure he did have every right to leave.. but everyone felt that he left a team that beat him when he had three opportunities only to throw a three to one lead.. But I do agree with Jackie about the Warriors.. their first title without KD, they BARELY could handle LeBron and with a healthy Kyrie they would of lost that series.. and the 73 win season Draymond basically cost them back to back

I think Jackie hit it right on the head. The Warriors needed Durant as much as Durant needed the Warriors. Because they knew after the 2016 finals that the Cavs had the psychological advantage after that collapse

The reason the players want to tell their own stories is that real journalism in sports has been over shadowed by talking heads and terrible takes.

So many fkn things were missed 1. People were mad at the warriors/kd because they knew they were going to win. When the cavs lost the first year, and then Kyrie left… there were no other team to challenge them unless they got hurt. That makes watching the games less fun, and that’s coming from a warriors fan. 2. Draymond snapping on kd wasn’t the only time draymond has snapped on someone. It’s just the first time the media saw it. David west said there were a lot of things that went on with no cameras around. But this was the time that suits went to draymond to make it right. 3. They sent draymond to go talk to Steph, and nothing really happened. Tho they said steph wasn’t brought up tho he was. 4. Kd was likely gone, but bob meyers shit talked kd. Talking about how klay could get any contract he wanted. Also mentioning they were light years ahead. That’s the front office taking away from what the players did which happens to include kd. The same guy who just wants to work on his game and smoke. 5. If you tell draymond to do something, he’s not going to do it. If they let him do his own thing, he’s much more likely to apologize. People say draymond is just crazy, and then act surprised with this interview… you’re not doing your homework. Chuck and draymond went at it on social media/tv. Then they acted like professionals when working together. Because for draymond to exist in the nba, he has to be a little crazy. But that’s on the court, once time passes he can go and apologize 6. Kd was likely gone, and the draymond incident didn’t help things. But bob Meyers and Steve Kerr situation probably put that nail in the coffin that he wouldn’t return. People don’t leave jobs because of one thing, bill should know that. 7. Warriors players and management were confused/mad at kd for not playing in the finals earlier since other warriors players were playing while hurt. Again another reason to leave.

The beef isn’t with Warriors fans it’s with Lebron and okc fans

Just mad he can’t control the narrative

So Jackie knew Rachel was fired and The Jump was getting cancelled last week, when she talking about her 'Final appearance' on the show.

Just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it right

Love Jackie as her being a Boston writer legend still showing her love she is a hell of a hoops head will Miss her knowledge salute j Mac

Bill so salty,this what NBA fans really want information first hand. All The Smoke,Chips and NBA players podcasts is where you get genuine answers. Welcome to the future Bill!

Even tho Jackie is retiring, hopefully she still hops on these pods.

And btw Bill Simmons is from Marlborough/Brookline not from Boston. Big difference.

A little more than half way thru, but the main rzn I personally had an issue wit KD joining GSW was because they literally came back 3-1 on him the year before. Other than that I would’ve had no issue wit it.

Media narrative has similarities but mostly differences w players' narrative. Same as media's truth is different from players' truth. Objectivity stops with intentions surfacing. To say what dray and kd said were not the truth is a subjective judgment. It's their truth. And they have the right to that, same as the media, doing their job, will also report what they perceive as their truth.

You don’t understand why people are mad that one of the best players in the league went to the most dominant team of this generation? He tipped the balance of the league to a ridiculous extent. That’s why people are mad.

bill speaking on "biased" storytelling may be hypocritical but he's still kind of right.

I love how Bill just casually mentions that KD almost went to the Celtics like him not going isnt one of the main reasons hes so upset

I would be surprised if some version wasn't run by the Warriors FO first.

I get what they’re saying but I think it can coexist players and media

I just hope players keep speaking out, To balance out this whole one sided , media “over-analyzing” everything..

I´m gonna miss this woman... How smart and level headed...

Didn’t Pat Riley Guarantee a repeat at a Laker championship parade? He was all for Lebron not 1 not 2 rant that’s what he built the team for

I rather see two basketball players talk about the game then some guy who has never even played in the NBA.

I totally agree with Jackie on this point, Golden State was not going to beat a (healthy) Cleveland team without Kevin Durant. Cleveland was a MENTALLY stronger team than Golden State in 2016. Cleveland took Golden State’s soul in that championship and both teams knew it. That’s why Draymond went crying to KD to join afterwards. If they ran it back in 2017 with the exact same teams, I’m 80% sure Cleveland would have won. I’m no Lebron fan, but come on, Lebron took that Golden State team to six games in 2015.

She keep saying how she doesn't get people having beef with the Kevin going to the warriors..its not the fact that he went there, it's the fact that he basically ruined competitive balance and probably destroyed what was supposed to be the greatest finals rivalry between warriors and Cleveland..17 and 18 finals matchup would have been great matchup minus KD. 6 or 7 game series both years

It’s so funny how the media made up that story that KD was upset he could never be liked in golden state as much as curry lolol KD literally joined the warriors because he knew he didn’t have to be the main focus and the face of the team lol

So I had a conversation with my co worker about this and he brought up a good point why do we let these people drive our mind when the source said it themselves and if we don’t like it it’s cause they told us their truth and we don’t wanna hear that true we wanna hear the one we wanna hear

I was going to subscribe but after hearing how they "don't understand why people don't like why KD went to the Warriors" just shows how they also don't understand sports and competition. I as a man can kick a little girls ass but I won't. It doesn't matter that it's my choice it's just a fucked up thing to do. Mike Tyson beating up an old man who's drunk then talks shit afterward would be cowardly. Steph danced and pranced around the court every time he scored. That made me dislike the Warriors. And don't forget they Dray called KD s handler to get him on the team. All beta behavior they these two seem to understand. Pathetic.

Why would I believe a version of events reported by people who were not involved in an incident. Reporters are biased because they need clicks.

People have beef with KD going to Golden State because he lost to them Jackie…it’s a simple concept to understand

it's always funny seeing people having issues with these talking heads having bias towards their home team, like bill with boston etc, but when it comes to shannon sharpe, nick wright, rachel nichols, kendrick perkins bias with lebron, they don't say a thing.

Nothing. It means nothing. They bickered like children, they blamed the front office like children. It has nothing to do with anyone or anything else...

~ Watch the decisive Game in the OKC-GS series and pay close attention to Durant's "shot-selection". HE DID NOT WANT TO WIN THAT SERIES. He did not want to play with Rus anymore but was not Man enough to say so . . . ~

the argument wouldnt have even happened if steph was there that night

If you think Draymond Green is reason why Kevin Durant left you're insane. Why did KD go to Golden State in the first place because of his reputation why did he leave Golden State. Cuz every single news reporter saying it's not KDs team it's steps and for someone that only cares about his reputation how do you think Kd felt about that. It's just funny with KD cuz it literally looks like a whining college kid going team to team and saying it's not my fault

lol "i dont really care" then proceeds to care for 15 minutes. bill we are hearing stories straight from the horses mouth-- sure you may have details that green and kevin ignore, but at the end of the day i want first hand accounts-- not some stories from a sports journalist who saw and hear things.

This was weird, why are they explaining again what the people who lived through the experience had to explain after people like you explained it wrong

You don't understand why people had beef with KD? Uh maybe because he left for the team that just knocked him out of the playoffs & the number 1 team in the NBA already? Mainly the fact he left for the team he couldn't beat is probably lying what passes most people off. Not to mention they were up 3-1 & ended up losing.

I never heard Jackie cuss before she really is retiring