TLDR, Emperor should have smacked some of his sons more and others probably a little bit less Lorgar probably could have done with a softer smack To give yourself something to smack to go here : www.patreon.com/majorkill

It's just sheer irresponsibility having 20 sons at once, you can't give each one the attention they need, especially as a single dad.

The Emperor had a lot on his plate, but nothing could protect him from bad writing.

Imagine if Emps had been smart enough to be like, "hey, Maclador, my best friend, my confidant, the god-father of my children. Go to Magnus and help him grow into a good non-chaos warp sorcery badass like yourself. k thnkx."

Lion asks daddy about why Horus has a parade, in utter confusion. Big E: “some men need praise and acknowledgments of their accolades...” *looks directly at the lion* “ And some men do not.” Peak father-son relationship, 10/10. Some paraphrase in quote.

Big E was either father of the year or literally the worst in the galaxy, depending completely on which side of the heresy he needed his sons on

Fulgrim sounds like the one most likely to say "Daddy" instead of "Father" when talking about the emperor.

He definitely dropped the ball with Angron, and arguably Curze as well. He ignored or dismissed the things that mattered to them and never acknowledged why those things were even important to them.

Not only did the primarchs get their positive aspects from the emperor, they also inherited his negative traits. Even his fears. Perhaps even the temptation to embrace chaos?

I love these Primarch videos that explain their relationship. We just need what the Primarch feels about their legions or xenos and it would be awesome!

If you ask the Primarks if the Emperor have a dad problem with their sons, 18 of 20 will say "YES", with the other 2 being not found to give their opinion. But if will ask the Emperor if he is a good dad to their sons, he will say "They are not my sons, they are my tools", like a good rich, absent and very ocupied father allways respond.

Also Khan is one the best trash talk of the universe, his sick burns are fking awesome.

Always love hearing about the adventures of the God Emperor of Gaslight, Gatekeep, and Girlboss

The fact that russ liked malcador while also hating psykers is hilarious to me

2:29 Lion El'Jonson: "My normal calm has been compromised. The only way to atone for not being by Father's side is to hunt down the Traitors and annihilate them with immense abhorrence."

The primarch who got it the worst was probably angron. Emperor didnt even try to fix that relationship

Majorkill you should make a video about the intended role of each primarch would be if the heresy never happened I know valrak has already made a vid on this but he left out some primarchs (mortarion ) plus your opinions could wildly different from his I would love to see it

I watched a video about the new alpharius novel. Tldr: alpharius was found 1st and kept a secret When omegon was found they switched places, alpharius became omegon and omegon became alpharius. Then true omegon betrayed the emperor on behalf of the cabal and true alpharius is still loyal as far as we know.

This is a hill that I will die on. The emperor truly is the reason for his sons turning to chaos. They may be primarchs, but they all have human emotions

I like the theory that the Emperor knew Angron had the Butcher's Nails, and that despite his efforts he wouldn't be able to remove them. So he gave his son a source of hate. Something to keep him going. Because the Emperor knew if he were to help Angron and his warriors, that the Butcher's Nails would kill Angron sooner than they already were. So the Emperor gave him a source of constant hate and anger to quell the Nails.

Objection: the best Primarch is Vulkan!

That Analysis of Fulgrim was spot on... It also makes me wish GW would do something with that Loyal Fulgrim Clone... it would be super dope if there was a face-off with Trazyn and a sect of Chaos Emperor's Children wanting their Daddy back like he used to be... but when they bust him out of Trazyn's cage... he immediately wrecks the Chaos Legion, dodges out on Trazyn, and makes a bee-line back to the Loyalist... that would make an awesome book(series...) culminating in Fulgrim Vs. Chaos Fulgrim

They need to make an 18-20 episode series where every episode goes over how the emperor met all of his sons, and each episode is dedicated to a primarch's backstory and lore

0:10 Yeah the Primarchs needed a lot of therapy to work out their daddy issues and get help. Mr. Perfect Cell: "Oh please there isn't a shrink qualified enough to deal with those hot messes!" Alucard: "Good thing I have the experience of being a successful therapist to countless of people and myself for a decade! *So I am over beyond qualified!"*

*thumbnail* Man-Emperor of Mankind, Angron and Alpharius likes to go for a walk. A very enthusiastic father and son walk.

Majorkill not calling Angron a walking abortion and admitting the Emperor did a shit one without trying to tack any blame onto Angron? Majorkill, m8, are you ok?

For anyone that's curious about a particular Primarch, here are the timestamps for each: - (1st): Lion El'Jonson [1:13] - (2nd): *Unknown* [2:37] - (3rd): Fulgrim [2:49] - (4th): Perturabo [3:36] - (5th): Jaghatai Khan [4:54] - (6th): Leman Russ [6:09] - (7th): Rogal Dorn [6:56] - (8th): Konrad Curze [7:38] - (9th): Sanguinius [8:31] - (10th): Ferrus Manus [9:18] - (11th): *Unknown* [9:50] - (12th): Angron [9:59] - (13th): Roboute Guilliman [10:31] - (14th): Mortarion [11:09] - (15th): Magnus the Red [11:57] - (16th): Horus [12:32] - (17th): Lorgar [13:23] - (18th): Vulkan [14:02] - (19th): Corvas Corax [14:34] - (20th): Alpharius, Omegon [15:39]

Honestly as much as I love Magnus and Vulkan learning more about the Lion makes me like him so much more. I'm not a Dark Angels fancy but I respect and enjoy the pre-heresy Dark Angels.

So little has been written about the interactions with the emperor, you could literally summarize it on one single page!

Okay, I don't know why people keep saying that it's so hard to understand Conrad's motivation. Conrad was one of the first to really come to grips with the idea that they weren't born, they were genetically created in a lab and they were all created with specific abilities in mind. From birth Conrad was given a gift with the ability to see the future, and only ever saw the worst possible options. At no point did the emperor ever give him any kind of training or guidance or explain to him how he could be using those to avert bad events. Instead he left Conrad on his own and as a result Conrad misinterpreted his gift as that it was only ever showing him an immutable future that could not be changed. This is why he's a little crazy, because all he is constantly seeing in his head is how everything is going to crap and nothing ever good happens. The entire point of him allowing the Assassin to kill him is that it vindicates his interpretation of his gift. If there was any other possible interpretation, he wouldn't die at that moment. And if the emperor was going to contradict him, the emperor would have done or said something to change that future. So for him it was Vindication of everything he had said. That the emperor was a monster who had created a living being who was forced to only see the horrible future that awaited all of mankind, with no ability to make changes to it. If the emperor had stepped in, if the Assassin had turned its blade, if anything had happened other than as he had seen it then that would have meant that he was wrong, and that some of his brothers were right, and he did have the ability to change the future. And that was not something that Conrad wanted to confront, the possibility that all of his insanity and Madness and all the vile things he have done were for nothing. That's why he is bizarre Lee so happy in those last moments, because he has been proven right

Primarchs with Daddy Issues: "NOTICE US!!!" Man-Emperor of Mankind: "Nooooooo...."

0:33 In short, the Man-Emperor of Mankind has a bipolar disorder. Which makes sense since He used to be the souls of the Shamans that ritually killed themselves that fuse together into one supremely powerful singular soul as the Anathema to Chaos.

I feel like some people neglect the fact that all the primarchs were grown ass men with the exception of Angron. They didn’t need to be such assholes but they choose to be regardless.

Portarabo and rogal dorn are so good at being friends and are best of friends there's no discontent for who wants to build bath houses and shit

Let's be honest, if The Emperor chose The Lion as warmaster and put Guilliman in charge of calming him the fuck down, we would have nothing to talk about.

The only Primarchs that I think have a genuinely good reason for betraying him are Angron and maybe Curze.

The Emperor really needed to have a sincere heart to heart with each of his sons. YES, he still should have told them about Choas. Although he could have done that in pieces and not allow Choas be all "Stranger Danger". But mainly he needed to let his sons understand what they were, were meant for in his Great Crusade, and what he meant for them in the days after, so they might understand how to be themselves. And maybe slowed down the Great Crusade by a few centuries at least, just so that there would be time for the Emperor to at least steer his sons in the direction he would have meant to raise them. I can see the Emperor ever so slightly steering himself to better steer some of his sons. Like catching on to Horus before he slips into corruption. Rein in Magnus' ego and desire for knowledge with actual goals and positive reinforcement. Getting Kruze his own Batcave. Letting Pertti Robbo and Dorn hold regular building contests even open schools for the arts of engineering and architecture (this was before AD Mechs took over such endeavors). Let Angron save his friends and their world HIMSELF... and either remove or deaden the Butchers nails. The list goes on... If The Emperor had not rushed things too fast, he might have had time to catch and fix problem before they were a problem. The Emperor might have benefited from being a parent a few times, before making his own sons. Observing how successful parents raise their kids. Of course, this assumes he had was planning on doing a good job raising them.

I cannot understand why they retconned the mysteries surrounding the Dark Angels true loyalties and agenda, which made their substance. You don't have to be Imperium or Chaos, there are many other ways, the novel Legion showed it. Following your own secret path doesn't mean you're an ennemy of the Emperor either.

Never understood why people were so confused about the Emperor’s relationship with the primarchs. From “Malcador: The First Lord of Terra”: *In comparing the Thunder Warriors and the Primarchs* “Like them, burning brightly but briefly. But the Emperor and I could not conduct the Great Crusade with genhanced mortals. We needed something greater, something stronger to reclaim the stars. And in order to control it, we needed a lifespan of the Astartes that had nothing to do with aging or timed infirmity. Believe me when I say it Sibel Niasta, this was always intended to be the final act of the crusade. We wanted the Primarchs to turn against one another, against their father. […] Be assured, we maneuvered each of them from the moment of their rediscovery. Pitting them against each other, stoking their brotherly rivalries with his *unequal* favour. It was not difficult, no more so than positioning pieces on a Cheops board. Those who could not be managed -well-- they would never reach the endgame.”

The Emperor was a bad father. But he didnt have the time to spend with his sons, the Great Crusade could not be posposse more time, Chaos really did a great job spreading the primarchs. And then it was the Webway project that even when the Emperor let the Great Crusade the Webway wasnt compleated even at the end of the Horus Heresy, turning into the torture champer of the Big E. If Big E would have told Magnus about the Webway that wouldnt have happen, and the Webway would have stay functional

3:20 Black Templar William Smith after slapping the Third Legion Primarch: "KEEP MY EMPEROR'S NAME OUT YOUR FRAKKING MOUTH!"

Emperor was the best dad ever. He gave them godly bodies, their own legion, great gadgets, called them sons. They had gigachad uncle malcador. What more can someone ask in that dark time?! He was very nice to those sons who made sense. Sanguinius, Vulkan, Russ, Dorn..etc all those pure hearted recived emperor's love.

Emperor of Mankind: *Sees his sons as tools and not people.* Also Emperor of Mankind: *Love Vulkan due to him being the most human of the Primachs.*

He wasn't bad, he was a work-aholic, ideological, neglectful, egotistical, pragmatist. He had no time for being a friend dad, he was straight up parental unit who could sacrifice his offspring because he could genetically modify more.

According to your own theory, the primarchs are are chaos demi-gods taken from the warp and incarnated. I assume the deal went something along the lines: "Instead of 6, you will get 12, but half will betray you no matter what you do". Chaos is cryptic and double-crossing like that. The point I'm trying to make is that, being the control freak that he is, probably the Big E tried to manipulate their destiny and make specific primarchs to betray him instead of random ones, which might include his favorites. Hence he is dad of the year at times and the shittiest dad in the galaxy at the same time. Hope that makes sense. W40K gave my cancer autism.

As someone who has twins and knows the effort it takes, 9 good ones and 9 trying to kill him is batting 0.500

Tbf, he wasnt trying to make "sons", he was trying to make "generals."

I know a lot of people dont like Angron but he has always been my favorite Primarch.

My head canon on the eleventh primarch simply goes, the Emperor found him on mars, where he was already too far augmented, that when they met the primarch literally just said "how may I serve you father, do you like my toaster?", then the Emperor just crushes him into the martian soil.

The problem with the emperor's parenting skills is that he was either Great or Awfull depending on the primarch. if he simply helped Angron's slave rebelion thing , instead of simply "stealing" (I put it like this because thats how Mortarion sees it) his kill he could defeat the necromancer who raised Morty and give him the kill as the guy clearly needed some closure with the whole Necromancer dad thing and given Perturabo some better missions he would end up gaining 3 more loyalist Primarchs. And thats forgetting about Horus if the emperor instead of simply leaving telling him "I am going to Terra to solve a problem and it needs to be secretive or the ones who created this problem will fuck us up" he would not become a traitor and thats without revealing Chaos to him and giving him a answer that would satisfy him.

You made Perty's relationship w big E sound great! I was getting the vibe that it would totally make an epic drama/action movie if it were set in ancient Greece or Rome and then everything else you said was the same. Peter Turbo CSM Primarch #1!

Majorkill Might I recommend 2 KZfaq videos. 1) Go over titanic weapons with that sweet sweet Australian swang and 2) Would the golden age of mankind survive in either war in heavens.

You gotta love Majorkills's continous (un-) biasedness when it comes to the Lion xD

20 kids all boys and wasnt there to raise them...Boris Johson comes to mind

When you think about it the Emperor probably looked at them early on as his sons, but as the disappointments and betrayals began to rise from all 20 of them, yes, even the loyalists; his view gradually shifted to them being nothing more than tools.

"You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer." Yeah, big E is an awful father.

I personally think he was a respectable man. Also uncle Malcador was a great man.

Honestly I think it was like how me and my dad were. My dad already raised 2 others to adulthood when I came around and well.. I was much different than he thought I would be. I see the sons having turned out to be much different than what the big E thought and didn’t really know how to raise them. More so only having found them after they were adults themselves. Wonder how different things would have been if he found them much sooner?

I love how I left a comment on the last video basically recommending this exact video idea, and you were obviously already editing it. Same wavelength. Shweet.

The Emperor really needed to have some Daughters as well, they could have helped defuse family tensions and kept their Brother's toxic masculinity in check … [hands over a bag of chips they're sharing]: "Have you considered sending dad a text asking him about it? Look, I'll help you write it".

Lorgar needed a calm, level headed talking to about exactly why the whole "no more religion" bit was so important to the Emperor's plans instead of having his favorite city bombed and telling him to get good. If he had done that, Lorgar never would have fallen to Chaos.

I heard in a 40K theories video that during horus’s face of with grandpa emperor, he was actually torn away from chaos’s influence for a moment, a moment which he used to realize what had happened virulently apologize to his dad, and beg that big E put him down for the good of humanity

Perturabo would have been even more loyal than Lion El'Johnson if given the same treatment. Or even similar. "Perty, i know you keep getting the shit end of the stick but heres a bunch of ancient tech as a 'sorry'" would have made a Dorn 2.0 out of Perty.

He wasn’t a _good_ dad, but he wasn’t a bad one either. He genuinely loved some of his sons because those chosen few most closely embodied his ideals: he loved them because they _were_ him, writ small. He couldn’t care for the rest of his sons in the same way because he couldn’t accept their differences. He couldn’t understand that Lorgar’s worship was his desire for a father figure that wouldn’t beat the shit out of him for existing, and I think that says a lot: they weren’t even really people to him, just tools. He didn’t take into account their individual faults and past traumas.

The lion: the emperor made me, and I'm freaking awesome. Fulgrim:I'm Jelly for a tight booty Perty: dad...please can I have a hug Khan:...okay I know we are adopted Lemun: Dad, I do you a prouda Dorn:father, thank you, I have won the construction completion Curze: no dad it's not just a phase Sanguinious: dad *amazes the emperor* I made you a picture I drew *emperor puts it on the fridge* Ferris: dad *opens a beer* look at this car I rebuilt Angron: grrr rarrr grrr you're not my real dad and that's my mountin dew Gman: father I have done your taxes for the next 5 years Morty: no...i dont stink!! You do!! Maguns:dad this book says XXX on it, and i read it... Horus: dad, yeah i drove the car into the ditch but can i borrow yours? Logar: dad, help me, i dropped the soap Vulcon: look father, I helped all the homeless Corax: dad,I know you're not into black metal and that's okay, but I do and I like how you drive me to the shows Alpharius: dad, we are gonna sleep over at Tim's house, but will be home but then we will go to Ryan's house after but will throw out the trash but will hang out with Steven but..

The ultimate problem in the universe DADDY ISSUES

I love primarchs videos. make more please. and maybe something about our solar system like what happened with rest of the planets

I dunno, in the case of Lorgar, I don't think there was any way of the Emperor meeting their expectations. If a person sets you up as an infallible god, at some point you are gonna fall short and slight them for it. To be honest the Emperor shoulda just killed Lorgar, given that Lorgar was so driven to undermine the Emperors vision of a secular Imperium. Lorgar was never going to be happy in that Empire, and would inevitably latch onto the Chaos gods who actually appreciate worship.

Why they made Big E from a well intentioned extremist but loving father to something-to put it lightly-more grimdark is beyond me. Then again that's a running theme with 40K.

Why does everyone keep saying the emperor saw the primarchs only as tools when he literally called guilliman a son too as well as a tool . Plus his mind is broken beyond belief .

I feel like he'd be a far better father if he just got a restraining order against Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

Everytime MajorKill makes a video about the Emperor being a bad dad, take a shot

Wake up to a new Majorkill video... My day is saved !!!

Could we say that the emperor took the most out of his mistakes with the previous primarchs, in how to deal with them?

God emperor of man: i do not see you as a son but as tools to be used Robot girlyman: yes i know father

The pre-heresy portraits you've shown are so well done. Some artists are just on another level.

Just in time for my shit! You're a channel I can always rely on! Thank you for all the potty entertainment you've given me through the years Major and emperor bless!

you truly are the best Warhammer 40K channel

As always great work boss man. I really love your perspective on the lore, and the way that you break it down. It may be a bit cheeky but it is spot on . Your videos are always the highlight of my day. Keep up the great work. I would love to see a much longer video at some point and would love for you to cover the Sabbat Crusade. You continue to justify my 5 dollars a month and as soon as I can afford more you will get it.

No matter how i try to rationalize the warhammer universe, i allways end up at the same question. And that is why one just shouldnt end himself?

awesome vids mate! :D

I need a playlist of the music you play in the background of your videos. I can never find them

And I can totally understand why Lorgar isn't the biggest fan of the emperor. He truly was one of the most tragic characters in the lore.

Watched a bunch of your videos while hammered. Now that I’m sober, I’m going back and watching them & randomly realize i’ve seen them before

You should definitely a video on the Necron technology or top 10 most over powered Necron weapons

Should do a thing on the penitent series and the implications for Constantine Plus the whole thing where Constantine picks up that gene wizard in warhawk

That shit in Lorgar's breakfast was the most expensive shit ever taken by a human. Maybe it turned into a coprolite and its in a museum on Terra.

#2 committed the worst treachery of all...he had tacos on a wednesday

9:52 The only female Primarch among the 20 brother Primarchs.

* cries in angron *

I love your channel man, every other WH40k channel has videos that contain 5 hour long essays on every single primarch's daily bathroom routine

Low-key the Khan might be my favorite behind Sangy himself. I loved their short but sweet interactions.

Should definitely just say guys there are no maidens here

Hey majorkill day 2 of asking what paint job I should give my space spartan Dark angel theme or homebrew Thanks again 👋😁

It does seem kinda silly line to draw that he wouldn't be. "What, you're saying the guy who made himself the absolute autocrat of billions and conquered/destroyed all who opposed him was less than perfect father"?

When daddy cares more about work than you

If the primarchs switched planets all the traitors got the good planets and the loyalists got the bad ones Would things change, would they still take the same roles, nature or nurture tell me Australian warhammer guy

Great duration! Your little 12 min videos give me blue balls! I like a man with stamina! ;D

Love the vids homie, keep up the great work. Also I know you have been on a primarch hype train with 2 videos back to back but I kinda want to see how the prinarchs treated their sons/legions.

This is the best warhammer content and you're personality and presentation is golden ! Please keep I up major kill I need your content for my sanity (I listen to you at work well I cut up chicken, pretty metal)