The words of which are something the doctor has spent decades thinking about himself. Decades wondering whether he's truly good, to form himself into a man with a genuine duty to kindness. He wouldn't have been able to make this speech at the end of S9, because he wouldn't have believed it himself.

Missy doesn’t remember this period. Wouldn’t natter

@@jordan3400 As stated in this episode (Missy having the spare part for the Master's TARDIS) and TDOTD (The Curator telling 11 what to do next) as well as 10 teaching 5 how to fix the TARDIS in the CiN special, they do remember the messages and lessons of their time-crossed adventures, just not the visuals or any of the specifics. So Missy would remember the general idea of the Doctor's speech here, even if she doesn't know where she heard it or who said it.

@@foxwhitemore3931 plus that embrace… she knows what is about to happen and he doesn’t. It has to be this way for so many reasons but the doctor has at last gotten through to her. She wants to stay but can’t

the master actually knows what the doctor is doing, that's why he's trying to direct the doctor's attention to his face, the one that's not caring, while his other face is considering it. as if to make sure he knows there's no chance that he'll care

Without witness. Without reward. She did what was right.

@@KNVisual she did it in extremis too

Elena Wright But at the same time, it would have changed their dynamic in the future if he had known. It’s tragic, but it made sense narratively.

She did what she did, betraying her old self, so she would be who she is now. To at least give herself a chance. Sometimes you have to kill who you were to be who you are.

And.. Going to series 12. The doctor still doesn’t know, the master was going to help. And, It seems like nothing has changed. Personally, I think something happened to Missy, somehow she lived and learnt about the timeless child. And.. went insane. The master reborn again.

And thats where he made his mistake of talking to him and not her

@@pancon9947 He *was* talking to her. He was just giving his words time to sink in.

@@HighSlayerRalton see your comment is clever because it's layered ❤

but, if u see his face u can see he listened to that, but he didn't wanted to admit it

I thought it was overcomplicated

@@Mcdude02 Nonsense

@@Mcdude02 You call this episode overcomplicated? Try "The Wedding of River Song"

Watch anything related to River Song, her timeline is a mess

The BEST of modern "DOCTOR WHO" models.

AKO675 - Downfall Parodies Archive and it is this statement that is the part he passes onto Whitaker

*above all

A B I don’t know if you can reason with giant spiders.

A B but she was still doing what she perceived to be the kindest, most ethical thing for them

Words for anybody to live by.

@Charlie Bateman I think that's the point. The Doctor wasn't speaking to the Master with the intent of convincing him then. He was instead giving Missy a very, very long time to think about what was said. Much like starting the calculations to save Gallifrey a very long time ago.

Yep. You know he's totally lying when you see the look on Missy's face.

Agreed. I dont know how many more Regenerations it will take him to reach Missy, for the sake of the character i hope it's a few. hell i half hope Ms. Gomez makes a return because she was bloody brilliant in the role but honestly? it was well within Simm's version of the Master to side with the Doctor. he already did in The End of Time when they saved each other from the return of Galifrey but i guess its different when death is certain as opposed to merely likely.

Charlie Bateman nail. On. Head.

And you can see what Missy feels during this scene, she is trying to look up because of guilt of how she was back then.

He was absolutely a good Doctor. He had some amazing dramatic moments. It was his silly moments that felt too overdone. The writing for a lot of the episodes in series 8 and 10 weren't good either. Series 9 and the end of series 10 was really where he got to show off as The Doctor he was.

You also look back on this scene and realise how good John Simm was as the master, he took the part and made it his own whilst acknowledging what came before him!

John Simm is a great Master, when he have a showrunner that make him play the Master, not a bolt shooting skeleton with cannibalistic instinct...

Although, judging by the ending to THIS story, that's what we're gonna end up with. She can't regenerate and received a fatal wound, bring back the spooky scary skeleton!

It is sad that we saw him like this so rare

@YupimonEvolve You know that women can be doctors & men can be nurses, right? Aaaah it was an attempt at humour. Fail. 😆

Yes moffat could write amazing speeches. He just sucked at making a decent series

@@LukasOfTheLight I'll respectfully disagree but each to their own. RTD era is my favourite but I'm really enjoying the current series (minus orphan 55)

@@mbyrne1212 how about we all just agree that Russel T Davis was the best. Chibnall was the worst and Moffat was somewhere in the middle

@@mbyrne1212 I disagree i loved the 11th through to the 12th doctor. The river storyline, twist, silence, not all but most of the episodes we're written with intellect were the doctor had to give a smart solution and you didn't know what he would do. The 12th doctor series wasn't perfect but i still sat down the day each episode aired and enjoyed it and still look back fondly on it. Now we have the trash ass 13th doctor, people like you wanted a new writer and now we do. Bet you didn't want that, be careful what you ask for. They've ruined doctor who the point i stopped watched after jodies first episode and can no longer watch previous doctors cause i know where the story will end up going. I don't get the people who complain about moffat he wasn't perfect but to me he was damn near close. RIP Doctor Who, you were one of the unexpected best series i've ever watched.

You do see a slight flicker of realisation on the doctor’s face when he figures out Missy’s plan

Ben17ism Never realised it until I read this...

I prefer to think otherwise, it makes her turning to side with him that much more impactful, she truly embodies the doctor for that brief moment, good without witness or reward

KanitoKawaii agreed. She did what she needed to do, not for the doctor but for the good of the universe without recognition

I always read the scene to imply he felt the blade.

Same. My daughter and I both feel this way. He was amazing in a very subtle way.

Hell yeah Capaldi is a true fan of this and it shows in the amount of passion he pours into this

Don't need time to pass, he's by far my favorite new who doctor. Tennant was always the best before but Capaldis speeches are SO goddamn chilling. Especially compared to the new morally broken doctor haha Cut to 13th siccing Nazis on the master when they're a minority "let them see the real you" when they'd already won.. I think Jodie could have been an awesome doctor but the writing let her down

I think some of the newer fans that didn't like him because they were so used to the 'Hot' good looking doctor before him. I notice their usually a real noticeable different in option between old fans and new fans of the show in regards to Capaldi.

@@Underworlddream I can see what you mean, but it never seemed like a good enough reason for me. I know Capaldi isn’t young but I think he’s actually a pretty attractive guy. It’s an unpopular opinion but I never got why fan girls lost it over Matt Smith. He’s young but I don’t think he’s a handsome guy at all. Not even in an untraditional or unique way. I can buy Tennant being a sex symbol. However, both doctors were heavily romanticized by the media so I digress.

That feeling when you’ve seen the series 12 finale and really wish this was the last episode

Tbh I just count this as the end and pretend s11/12 didn’t happen

I mean, as far as I'm concerned, until Chibnal drags his sorry arse out of the writing room, this is the finale. Series 11 and 12 did not happen. Sad for Whittaker though, I'd really love to see what she can do when given a good story to work with.

You can actually just believe that the Doctor actually died when he blew up the cybermen. It makes for a great ending.

for me, this was the finale of doctor who.

13 isn't the doctor

@@jerrybrown1063 she is Accept it or not

Trazmaball Gyster Myster she has no character and is painful to watch. The BBC just can’t admit they buggered it. So I don’t accept it. If I did make that clear already 😂

@@jerrybrown1063 it's not her fault Its chibnals or however his name is spelled

Trazmaball Gyster Myster I completely agree, Jodie is a great actress and I loved her in broadchurch. I just think she looked at the script and was as impressed as we are 😂😂. U can see it in her performance.

i couldn't see 10 or 11 being able to do it. 9 maybe, as for classic who, i haven't had the time to watch yet but i've got all of summer now so i'll try and get through it.

no, ten absolutely yes, and maybe 11. they had been marvelous doctors

He still sucks in Season 8. Like... I really like Capaldi's Doctor overall, but even after I had gotten past the "he's new, I don't like him" stage, I still don't like him when I go back to watch season 8. He's really just an asshole most of the time in those episodes and the Doctor from season 8 to season 9 was quite a personality shift.

Abigail Archer-Addams well that’s the point it shows just how much he developed from not knowing who exactly he was at the time and he was still vulnerable mentally and physically trying to hang on to himself. To me he’s perhaps the only Doctor to have such a developed characterization out of the rest which he why I loved him so much and I agree he was an ass in series 8 but rewatching his entire run and seeing how his character grow makes me appreciate series 8 Twelve even more.

wow i didn't even realize there was no music in here but its still dramatic, powerful and amazing as he always does

I feel like this means so much if you take into account how he originally was angry and kinda a jerk over time he’s learned how to be kind what he says in this speech isn’t stuff he’s always known it’s stuff he had to learn and now he’s trying his best to make the master/missy learn it to

doctor...i let you go...

😔

Never eat pears

Hate is always foolish... And love is always wise.

And of course... you mustn't tell anyone your name.

It's as if she remembers this moment, and has been dreading it. For centuries.

@Jay Ryan Chibnal is proof of why you should never let fanboys write anything canonical.

@@myrixica4222 calling it right now, the next show runner will retcon everything chibnal did, the timeless child, the masters new incarnation (at least where it is in the list of regenerations), all of it, Whittaker was a great doctor, the stories were well made, they were all just ruined by chibnals writing, he probably should’ve just stuck with broadchurch.

Chibnal ruined the entire master/missy redemption 😢😢🤬🤬

@@Gmanluigi Next show Runner is Russel T Davis Aka the person who originally revived Doctor who and ran the 9th and 10th doctor’s series

@@Gmanluigi We can hope. Peter Capaldi's Doctor wakes up with a thumbing headache muttering "The Dream Lord is back, that was a nightmare!"

Absolutely. And it is remarkable, a true testament of Peter Capaldi's skill that he can pull off such an emotive speech without the additional music - I know part of what makes his "man that stops the monsters" stand out to me is Twelve's theme supporting. But here? No non-diegetic sound at all, and I prefer this speech over that one. Not even quiet, gentle music, like Four Knocks, and yet it's still possibly even more powerful.

Sarosenna I really like Flatline, and the Twelfth Doctor’s theme, but I’m not too keen on the speech at the end. For me it’s trying a bit too hard to be a defining “I’m the Doctor” moment and it doesn’t quite land. That’s why I much prefer this one. It’s just letting the actors carry a significant moment in the story, and it works really well. Music has always been a key part of Doctor Who, but it’s knowing when there shouldn’t be any that’s just as important as knowing when there should.

Oh, absolutely. And I understand where you're coming from with regards to the Flatline speech - personally, I just think it's exhilarating.

I entirely agree, doctor who has an amazing soundtrack that complements the emotion perfectly and part of that is knowing where to have silence, which is a skill not many shows and films have

My thoughts exactly. And I think the reason why a couple past season finales by Moffat (The Big Bang, The Wedding of River Song) failed was because they tried to resolve a grand spectacle-y event and just ended up being deus ex machina, whereas The Doctor Falls used the plotlines set up in World Enough and Time to create an emotional character-driven story instead. That's why it's my personal favorite Moffat finale imo

And the doctor well never know he reached her

@@mattjones6578 but isn't that the beautiful point, she died knowing would know she did but that didn't matter because she did the right thing.

@@mattjones6578 he understood, when she touched his hand with her's and the hidden blade rig. She's the only one who could stop him

SPOILERS.....

True...

That "you see this face?"" response is just perfect.

John Simm was legitimately so boring under Moffat.

Genuinely cool. :-)

I did this monologue for an audition back in high school and got a lead role with it 😂! It truly is a very powerful and beautifully written speech

Cut to first episode being living mannequins 😂

No way, I did this in uni for my 2020 drama monologue! He chose right. What a speech.

I know this is an old comment but for those in future reading this comment and reply, the turning point was the "idiot with a box" speech. Twelve ended up being fantastic. Such a character arc.

Kindness is a nice idea, but it gets you nowhere in real life. I spent a lifetime being kind to others and still everyone treated me like something they had stepped on, for Jo reason at all except for the fact that they believed themselves better than me So, I stand with the Master. Exploit the world for your own benefit at the expense of others because they would show you the same in the same circumstances

@@SamuelBlack84 "Kindness is a nice idea, but it gets you nowhere in real life... Exploit the world for your own benefit at the expense of others because they would show you the same in the same circumstances" - If kindness doesn't resonate with you and who you truly are, maybe that's not for you. The worlds full of people with many ugly and beautiful diverse thoughts. Be warned though, you will find quick company with paranoia with the framework you mention as history has shown with dominators, oppressors and tyrants often find themselves intimate with. And the schemes you may play to continue that power struggle of control very probably will lead you to lose track of all the complex weavings just to keep away the other vampires and monsters in the court you dine from projecting the very thing you did to take your "crown". Jesters are a funny thing. Court jester often made a mockery of "kings" as was often shown in the medieval days. Reminding those in power of humility.

@@SamuelBlack84 Then what you were doing was not being kind for kindness sake, but either for people to like you or respect you. Yours were always polluted.

@@salamander8055 I was raised to be kind to people then they would respond in kind, but that madness is over now and I can see the truth of the rewards of exploitation and manipulation for your own benefits. It's the natural side of humanity that they pathetically struggle to ignore while it gnaws at them from the inside, struggling to escape

Facts

Fax

So, by the transitive property, "You are where you fall"?

@@weebjeez Yes. You are defined by the sacrifices you're willing to make.

Younger Master said he didn't listen to a word.... Missy remembers the names of everyone she ever killed without even knowing it... I'm not saying I'm just saying

So two faced that the Doctor is literally talking to two of his faces.

Closely followed by "And spend the rest of my life imprisoned with you?!"

He's lying.

I feel like Tennant’s and Smith’s speeches were often elevated and made much better by a swell of orchestral music, whereas Capaldi’s are most effective in dead silence, he has that power behind his words 😍

Indeed.

Yeah, like, the 9th doctor would have fought because of the guilt that would haunt him if he didn't. The 10th doctor would have done it out of his god complex and his need to not just try, but SAVE EVERYONE. The 11th doctor would have helped because it would be too painful for him to watch the disaster if he just stays there doing nothing. The 12th doctor fought not because a sense of duty or something like that. He did it just because it was the right thing to do.

I fully expected that to happen with the Post-Missy incarnation honestly, Chibnall or not. Simm's Master basically makes sure the good in him dies with Missy; knowing full well they'll continue somehow but with the Doctor's influence gone. Moffat did that a fair amount where he teased big changes but in the end didn't rock the boat too much ( Davros almost getting redeemed, The Doctor briefly conquering Gallifrey before just leaving again and back to a strained relationship, Clara dying but not dying, Bill dying but not dying, etc ). The scenes involved in all of what I just described including this were great and very powerful, but still. It was clearly never intended for The Master to truly be redeemed; only to tragically show how close Missy came to change.

@@spaceboomer564 I mean, in this case, she *did* bite the dust, on-screen. The Saxon-Master coming back made some degree of sense because of Day of the Doctor, I don't think there's really a similar out here.

You are a notbing kid.

boy were you disappointed.

L

@@krachemalek5980 KIRA

+Dylan C David Tennant and John Simm had good chemistry too.

@@thundervoid420 As did Jon Pertwee and Roger Delgado.

@@einezcrespo Yep.

Pertwee and Delgado. No one comes close to them.

@@einezcrespo Pretty much every Master has had good chemistry with the Doctor. They were all awesome.

McMikey omfg. I forgot she did that. That’d be dope. HEAD CANON

I also think the Doctor may have transferred some regeneration energy to her because I think he knew that the Master would kill her the only way I can see her surviving if they choose to bring her back.

Sean Last lol, I don't think it works like that.

you can't rule out anything in Doctor Who The Master always survives some how

Sean Last I was talking about the exchange of regeneration energy. There is no doubt they will bring the Master back.

I think this had the chance to be even better if moffat didn’t listen to chibnall and had the regeneration at the end of this episode

@@DigitalCrateIt wasn’t that Moffat necessarily bent to *Chibnall’s* will. The BBC did. Chibnall didn’t want to introduce Jodi in a Christmas special and the BBC said if Doctor Who didn’t have a Christmas special they’d lose their *extremely* exclusive December 25th broadcast slot. So Moffat and his team caved, sacrificing the greatest regeneration story of all time in order to keep the slot. Which Chibnall threw away anyway when he changed to New Year’s specials. What a waste.

agreed@@DigitalCrate

​@@rigatonipasta and then DW ended up getting the Christmas slot back under RTD. Just gets worse and worse dammit

@@TA-zq3ez What’s wrong with RTD Christmas specials??

Josip Sakic So “many” emotions is the correct way of saying it. #GrammarNazisSuck

THEVALEYARD I loved the way he started then he grew so knowledgeable as time grew on. I'm waiting to see the comments of people who stopped watching because of the female doctor

I loved the entirety of his era. It frustrates me that a couple of my friends irl who used to watch Doctor Who stopped when he was cast. He was an excellent doctor, and the scripts weren't as bad as some people say they were.

Capaldi's era was not bad. He was just a victim of bad writing for the episodes. His portrayal of the role was on point though.

Sure, some scripts we godawful, but even they had some excellent gem scenes in them! The majority of his episodes were amazing, and I would seriously suggest his era to anybody who has not watched them for whatever reason.

The speech on war from the Zygon Invasion episode leaves me speechless every time I watch it. Almost every time Capaldi would make a speech, it ended up being one of his best scenes. He's a very emotional actor and that can be seen in many roles he's played throughout his career. One of my favorites was his role in Torchwood.

Why you people can't understand. There is no point in comparing different Doctors. Every Doctor is Great.

@@AliceEyler You must be fun at parties.

you mean at the end of s12? The old man came to save her yes but also to redeem himself as he felt guilty of the whole situation with the cybermen. Even if yeah, it s bad written and the 13 ran away, but since she realises there s more to know about herself maybe that redefines the doctor.

@@yaunadia33 also not running away would of wasted time and the master probably would of shot one of them ruining the plan because that's what he does

@@yaunadia33 1) The Cybermen threat was 200% 13’s fault. Jack literally warned her (and his own appearance in the series was worthless I guess; idk why they made him show up if he wasn’t going to do anything until the special) “hey don’t give the lone cyberman what he wants”. The lone cyberman shows up and after a couple of threats she just immediately gives him what he wants. Which directly leads to everything going to shit in the future. The Master is HER best friend and went insane because he learned a part of her was in him. Just to clear this is ALL terrible writing, but even in the terrible writing it was more 13’s fault than anyone else’s. What was the old guy’s other option? Leave the cyberium in the future (well his present) so the cybermen could wipe them all out even faster? He lost his team and nearly died for hope. Hell, in the finale he was basically the one saving the day with his bombs, weapons, plans, and supplies. He was more useful and quick thinking than 13 was all series. 2) the bigger issue that the random old dude showed up instead of ANY OF THE COMPANIONS. Literally every other series makes a big point about how the Doctor needs companions to stop them from going to far or making a bad decision or to force them to do something really crazy and out of the box that saves everyone. Series 12? Well they are all just so poorly written and without any character or relationships that all takes is an “I have to” for everyone to completely give up. I think even Chibnall realized he did such a bad job establishing their character (he didn’t at all) and building a relationship between them and the Doctor that he just gave up and passed the job to the first likable character he found. 3) The episode itself literally makes a whole conversation just to point out that the whole “timeless child” thing changes nothing. Literally, Ruth and The Doctor talk and say something like: “Does it matter? Does it change anything?”; “yes it’s my past it totally matter”; “does it really?”; “Yeah I guess not. It just means there are more of us or something. We’re still the same person”. I don’t think you understand the depth of just how bad series 12 and that finale was. Chibnall literally wrote a continuity changing revelation that makes a point of saying “this basically changes nothing”. And it doesn’t change anything. The timelords have ALWAYS been corrupt. The show makes a point of that with the trial of a timelord (CLASSIC WHO), The End of Time, Heaven Sent, Hell Bent, the entire freaking time war, and hell the entire universe was ready to blow up a planet because no one likes them (and that’s just a drop in the bucket; other media (which I only know “of”) goes into detail about their corrupt and bloody history and other time wars they’ve raged). Chibnall screwed himself over by introducing Ruth as “this is basically still the Doctor”. It COULD have changed stuff if Ruth called herself something other than the Doctor, wasn’t traveling in THE SAME TARDIS (like how?!), and had a different agenda, but she and the Doctor were still the same person (that would have been mind blowing in suggesting there could he any number of distinctly different “Doctors” doing any number of things around the universe). Gallifrey being destroyed again changes nothing because the Doctor’s already been through that character development (like as early as series 1). The Master being evil again just devolved his character. All Chibnall did was ruin the Doctor’s origins/character (he took the “failure that became a God through effort and individualism” and turned it into “she was just always special” (which admittedly was something they tried when the show was waning (that the Doctor was the reincarnation of Omega or something like that), but I mean there’s a reason the show was dying when they were trying that. This is like the worst example of NOT learning from history)). And introduced a tons of plot holes. 4) Just personally I’m pissed she didn’t do something silly like reverse the polarity to turn the life disintegration bomb into a life bringing bomb. That type of silly, last minute save the day out of nowhere shit IS Doctor Who and it would have been the first good who moment 13, but nope (I guess it’s hard with no companions worth a damn to convince the Doctor NOT to do the wrong thing).

@@themostbritishpersonalive868 I mean he could have still INSTANTLY ordered for the old man to get shot and stop her from getting saved from having to do it herself (and he just wanted HER to kill them both). The entire thing was stupid (then again the bar wasn’t set high when in the same episode you had the entire group randomly get onto a ship swarming with cybermen, arm bombs, successfully run away through long straight corridors and get off the HUGE ship in the very short time they had when the bombs “accidentally” armed, and had cybermen shooting like storm troopers (with no defenses in their own ship (like not even the ability to lock a door apparently)).

@@vullord666 ok so for the first part the master isn't evil he's just a bitch this is how he's been written all new who he wanted to know where the conversation was going that why he didn't kill them

To be honest, there's very little connection between his three Doctors. I wanna see why (as a character) he wanted to become a university lecturer. In terms of narrative, I get it, but there's no motivation in character. But I do love 12 all the same. My favourite Doctor.

@@nightowl8477 maybe because of his best friend who was a teacher

@@nightowl8477 But there IS a connection. I can see it.

@@nightowl8477 Yeah not only was Clara a teacher. But he was watching over Missy for 70 years and when a school house was being built right where the chamber was he was probably like "why not?" After all he's "nothing without an audience" (HeavenSent).

"but it is LITERALLY impossible to say there has ever been such an apt and powerful description of the show in a single scene" Haha, Moffat topped this scene in the very next episode he wrote (his final episode): DOCTOR 1: There is good and there is evil. I left Gallifrey to answer a question of my own. By any analysis, evil should always win. Good is not a practical survival strategy. It requires loyalty, self-sacrifice and er, love. So, why does good prevail? What keeps the balance between good and evil in this appalling universe? Is there some kind of logic? Some mysterious force? BILL: Perhaps there's just a bloke. DOCTOR 1: A bloke? BILL: Yeah. Perhaps there's just some bloke, wandering around, putting everything right when it goes wrong. DOCTOR 1: Well, that would be a nice story, wouldn't it? BILL: That would be the best. DOCTOR 1: But the real world is not a fairy tale. BILL: You dash around the universe trying to figure out what's holding it all together, and you really, really don't know? DOCTOR 1: You know me in the future. Do I ever understand? BILL: No. I really don't think you do. Everyone who's ever met you does. You're amazing, Doctor. (hugs him) Never forget that. Never, ever.

You technically described superman, too bad recent stuff didnt do him justice

Also , she did it so he could feel the knife she had up her sleeve.

this is where I prefer Moffat to RTD, RTD had a way more consistent run but Moffat has really changed my life, from: "fear doesn't have to make you cruel or cowardly, fear can make you kind" to "without hope, without witness, without reward" his era is filled to the brim with quotes that help me see what to stand for especially when the road ahead is foggy.

@@isaacwright8211 I agree with you, Moffatt’s stories in the end were life changing and motivating. That’s what separates any piece of art, wether or not the audience can take something away into their life or wether it stays within the art. That’s how I measure a good story.

A lot of doctor who speeches just keep me Going through life

Lol 13 didn't listen

If you touch his hair, you will never be able to let it go... you will become one with the hair. Be the hair.

His hair the true god.

You want to know something I’ve actually meet him and shook his hand

@@kaiashton2885 But not his hair? Did thee touch his hair?!

Yikes. That would be creepy.

numpteez to be fair, I think Moffat flumped most of his finales in both doctors cases. Out of the ones he wrote, I think only series 5 and 10’s finales are what I’d call great. 6’s was horrendous, 7 was ok, 8’s was meh and 9’s was asinine (heaven sent was amazing, but destroyed by the toxic spill of hell bent). Plus with regard to Tennant, the show kind of peaked in terms of pop culture and there was much more of a casual audience for the series back then as well as whovians. The general public appreciation for the show seems to have severely dipped in recent years.

I thought the series 9 finale was great

numpteez You only hear people complain about the Capaldi finales because they are so recent (in comparison to Series 3 over a decade ago which I do see people complain about). In general though I agree with your opinions on every finale.

numpteez agreed, 1 and 2 are fab. Easily the best of RTD. I think 3 is actually not as bad as everyone says it is, but that mainly comes down to the set up in utopia and sound of drums - I can admit that last of the time lords is quite a mess even if I still enjoy it. 4 is decent too. Love 5, agree with 6, enjoy 7, 8 is ok I think, 9 I hate and 10 I also love. Yeah, real shame about casual audiences as most also cast the blame of dwindling quality on Peter Capaldi yet this scene proves how phenomenal a doctor he was.

Well don't forget hrleaven sent

Include 9 as well

Also better writing during his time

Enzo Clarke agreed

Ben W Series 8 & 9 were amazing too. It’s so sad people haven’t realized yet. It was the biggest growth the Doctor had.

Yeah. It took a year and a half to get out but perhaps that contributed to its quality. I hope the same goes for series 11.

Ged Series 9 was decent but I really dont see what people saw in Series 8. I heavily disliked and whilst Im glad others seemed to like it im interested to know why

well, Deep Breath, Into the Dalek, Time Heist, Flatline and Mummy on The Orient Express were pretty good episodes

Kaathe and Frampt I agree on Mummy and Flatline. Time Heist was mediocre, Deep Breath got decent about halfway through but the first half hour was pure padding with the annoying paternoster gang and Into the Dalek was a weak mish mash of Invisible Enemy and Dalek. This is all my opinion though and im glad other enjoyed those episodes

YaBoiIsaac This and ‘The Big Bang’ are some of the greatest Doctor Who stories.

Mine too